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vision and it was all its the palestinians who planned and decided and it was the sick good plan that wasn't leave to any one. it wasn't discussed with anyone. and in this regard he was stressing more and more that this was an impala thing and initiative. and wasn't aimed at serving an agenda, for example, on the range, an agenda or any older agenda. so this was the picture. that's why that's not at all. i was trying to, to drill however, i took him a lot of time. it took him like an hour to, to reach to the conclusion that he offered to his audience. and donnelly, while he clearly tied the what happens in the lebanese fund as being dependent, what happens in gaza? it seems, does it not like the main frost of his message was the importance of ending the wall? what he called the aggression is right. the aggression in garza. otherwise things could spill out regionally a while between the lines. this is what,
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at least i had the clear objectives of this operation at the same time, raising the steak for who he described as the allies of his when you don't want that original conflict, then you have to solve this conflict. you have to contain this conflict, then at the same time thing as we said, everything is on the table, all the, all the options out on the table. and as for 11 on the civilian for a civilian going back to the rule that was established in 1996 between has one line isn't this in a way or another would mean want escalation of the news is really bored. that because if there are many civilians, because that has what lies going to hit on the other side. sense, what sort of thing could i have to know is enough or less the thing? the fact that the lebanon is just a side front. it's not the main front, the main front, this thing does live in on is a front that's aimed at supporting the front image eyes and look more for the
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moment. all right, we'll leave with that. thanks so much. i la ashan nicholas know is editorial voice of has the law and statements of side as in the fall. so also director of the exchange foundation joins us now from athens. good. have you with us. so for those who expect single asking whether that will be something of a cold a will by has no saul, is it fair to say this was most for a call to an end of war, an escalation, you know, i think it's actually neither, it's, it's neither a call to war, pressing the button, which some people expected most didn't. nor is it a call to kind of rapidly de escalate in the sense of a realistic call to do that. because of the clear line was an end to the god, the aggression as he called it. the essential problem with that is that i think
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most people think it's unlikely that is really military actions are going to stop in adorable way. i. e, a succession of us still it is a ceasefire, especially now that they apparently in circle uh city. uh so in other words, the expectation, the line, but he drew is not likely to be respected well met by the israelis and their allies, their great power allies. so i think what we have is a very clear and very, let's say, almost in a way and moderate if you thought he was going to declare war a speech. which sets a very clear framework and an interesting distinction. because he says we want an end to the aggression in gaza. we also want to victory. we want to victory for him us. but he says we're willing to delay that. or that can be a secondary concern, which is interesting because it creates a somehow the or a whole more achievable objective if you will. i however,
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think it's unlikely that even that what he is casting as an achievable objective, the end to this is really military operation. i just don't think that's likely. so i think actually what we have is still a count down to a much larger consultation. unfortunately, i understand the distinction you're making between your analysis of what is likely impossible versus what it has in the follicle for but coming again to simply what husband osalla is calling for. regardless of whether it will happened or not. it, there was a warning for the americans in particular, a full them is to steer away so read so will that they must and this agree aggression in garza right the, this is a lease. what he's calling for is for the americans to stand down. he, when he said, we know that you are in control of what happens in garza and you and now the us
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will pay a price. now, a very clear direct military warning to the americans that we haven't seen, i think in quite some time. and i think it is in a sense of unimportant, from their perspective in a message of the terms of whether or not that is part of the calculations of the, by the administration. i would discount that truthfully. i think that's much more for the sort of popular reception button. that's what i'll also send something else that was important, which was a message to the era dictators. and monarchs. you know, over whelming li, most of which are pro american, let's say, are some of them are even alive with, with israel, or we're thinking about normalizing relations. but his cold, there was a soft warning to them that this is a decisive new phase. and in a way he kind of, you know, moderated what he was calling for in a way insulting them, which is to say, we know you won't send tanks and planes, etc. but at the very least, making bold, clear stand on
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a humanitarian basis for the people of hudson. and i think that, that actually, that's also something that will come in some arab capitals as, as quite a challenge. let's say. and we'll see in these coming days. if at the very least some of the arab states can provide just at least the motive come of humanitarian assistance and the leverage, especially because so many of them have deep leverage with the united states as well. but i don't know if we're going to see that, or was it something of a message as well, for the lebanese people when he said a victory for gaza isn't lebanon's national interests in. yeah, this is something that no sort of law has been developing over the 20 years that i've been following him. he's been honing this message is specially since the israeli occupation of south lebanon arguably ended in the year 2000 and with the, with the quote unquote victory of the resistance in general. um, his message sense then because of the, you know, the, the relative absence of,
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of occupation really has been that, as well as independent weaponry, offers a nash, a real national defense for all living needs. whether be over water resources, which he says and others say israel coverage or gas resources, for example, or land or what award to make it in a venture will state to transfer palestinians in some kind of and that's the cleansing he's hit on these arguments over and over again, over the last 23 years, and i think you try to make, or he made that argument today, not only for level, but really for all of the neighboring states is key message was this current is really state which is control, he argues, and some of this really is argued by a kind of extremist, and he said, quite stupid leadership, but this is in fact a, a threat to the national interest of all the neighboring states. he's trying to bring a religious perspective, i thing to lebanese at the other saying, how can we live with this state next to us?
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do you really think that if, for example, they were able to eliminate come off and transfer 2200000 palestinians into egypt, for example, do think that it ends there. and that's an argument that i think has resonated over the years with some lebanese. and it's resonated to a certain degree with, with some arabs and some regional states as well. especially in this new phase of this is rarely leadership, which seems so extreme in so many different ways. and also like careless and by the way, also risen by the internal discord and shield, shield shields, divisions with in the, the state of israel. or i thank you very much for your analysis of that. let's keep this going though we've got my tubes wary. he's the director of the study center and professor of contemporary, middle east politics and color university joins us now here in the studio and don't feel good to have you with us so much tube overall. you know, the big question many people are asking is, is, has enough solid going to cool for a war? is it going to be a cool for? well, that did not happens for sconces. right?
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absolutely. i think the speech has 3 major messages. the 1st message was very clear as distant as below, and iran from a cup in on 7th of october. and that is, i put a spin in decision as to how much decision is her mazda reputation. we did not know about it, but we know about that likes others from the media. and that's was, that's basically saying to the others that, you know, stop blaming us of what's happened. the 2nd method is also it was very clear as to the, the base of his bola and the agent. but by saying defining the role of his bottle, his bell has been criticized. but what's happened in syria enrolled at city i now i know who is coming to the defining the role of his bullet by saying, look, this is what you have done since 8th of october. and by bringing some numbers and
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see does as you uh so uh, sign me saying, you know, this was the cost on is the, is the, is what it is by which we have done. but basically he was saying, we have done a lot. and so do you want me closer to not how is sort of being forced to matters what sort of its forces in the north? correct, it's naval capabilities would be 9 could in highest quarter of its air force is moved to the north. this is the him saying that we've actually a cheese deluxe, you guess i don't mind the rest of my was was gone through to say this, what do we have done and, and we will do more with 2 conditions. one, when we look at the situation because it's a lot of in water, we would review our position. and the 2nd thing talking about the uh, issue of uh, stopping the uh water because that was basically heat. and that's the 3rd message when he said, look, to stop the blaming from us up to the west of the right to stay. stop the war, stop the, you know, this aggression action from the is what it is. i think the,
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the main uh, you know, the, the, the main issue or the main assessment of this a speech will be a, uh, basically more accurate it to see how the options are from is it i in particular, because that is what it is also they they was waiting for something from his beloved to be set today, and i think it would be interested to know how they would act or react to this speech. he put an emphasis on how these rails domina dr. how it behaves yourself towards the lebanese and also in gauze it seems like an indication that if we continue to see these mass civilian casualties, has the law is going to come under increasing pressure not to yes, that's what the game at this level actually that's is the part of his message to the other that don't don't to blame us then because he was saying you have to talk to those items. you have to let them stop,
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stop this war. otherwise we cannot keep silence that's. that's his message act that he said it was, it was, it was that message that you know, the, as he is out of there has been a lot of they have the pressure. so he was saying to the, to the, i think to the americans very clearly because you choose american. i looked in the speech of being a man, you know, responsive of the what and he was saying that is i is doing on behalf of the access to which was very, very, very, i think, a clear and hottest and insights of best contacts. and they had some words about policy on the west, but they also had some criticism, didn't the for our country say you've con, continue to sell oil and gas? that's, i think, i think again, that's part of his message to the, to the base. because, you know, there's a lot of what's happening. i mean, he, you know, he's, he presented his analysis about what happened. i think part of it's actually the cause, this isn't which we all of us. we are the vows. we witness from the other public to was out of the, the, i'm not doing enough to react to the is what 80 aggression and because i think he
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was actually repeating that sort of reflecting on this criticism by the people public opinion. and the board was there also something of a message and a warning to the americans by highlighting the role of a tax by militia in iraq is a, has been a lot of the whole face in yemen. and what they could do going forward. it was very strong when he said those who are behind night and the talk to 19 eighties the oddest of the live, the chose the rest of their life and also a so. so it basically is, was very, very, very strong. a statement um, threatening the americans and they remind them what happened the 19 ages across and that's why it'd be a reference to the attack on the us embassy. yes, absolutely. and by root and i all right, thank you so much mike, to me for helping us analyze and break this down because if for a while has no salt lowest speaking this paul style,
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the secretary of state anthony blink. and was addressing the media and television. a said he's spoken to his riley the there's about taking what he called concrete steps to minimize the palestinian civilian desktop. bring can met with prime minister benyamin that's in yahoo. and president is cut sog, blinking says a humanitarian pools in the wall could facilitate that as well as a pos to increase the flow of a into gone. so we provided is real advice that only the best of friends can offer on how to minimize civilian deaths while still achieving its objectives of finding and finishing how much terrace and or infrastructure of violence. today i spoke with prime minister netanyahu and other senior officials about concrete steps to do that. present biden's consistently stressed the need for his real to operate according to international humanitarian law. i also have the size that the protection of civilians must take place. not just in gaza,
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but also in the west bank where incitement and extreme, his violence against the palestinians must be stopped and perpetrators held accountable. 3rd, we need to substantially and immediately increase the sustained flo humanitarian assistance in the gaza. and getting american citizens and other foreign nationals out of guys. we believe that each of these efforts would be facilitated by the amount of training pauses by arrangements on the ground to increase security for civilians and permit the more effective and sustained delivery. the amount of training assistance. alright, let's go live now to alan fisher and occupied these tourism allen. you heard the sound bites of antony, blink. anomalous, pointing out. he spoke alone. then all along the sides is ready. officials, what do we know from blinking message? these communications and discussions with these really officials and why that's going the just the ones right at the start
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of what you just had when only, you know, we use language that only the closest of friends can use that strongly diplomatic speak for. we were very frank with one another and perhaps even possibly some very harsh words. certainly do buying this consent. we are told at the increasing civilian debt tool and guys and so by on to the blinking reiterating that they've got to work with an international law is a message to the is really. but there is a disconnect between the 2, because onto the blanket is talking about a humanitarian pause, which would allow more aids to get in and prove of something less, spite to the people and guys. but he says that they still go to work on the highway and when i'm any humanitarian pause, notice the spar, humanitarian pause would be tied to the release of the captives that aren't there. he also talked about how we were looking at mechanisms to get fuel into guys at
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some point because of the situation in the hospitals. know within an hour benjamin netanyahu beat his address to the media. and he said, there will be no fuel going into guys. so onto the blinking is having these conversations making these points, but it seems that these, these are not committed to doing what they have to do. and we've had again, from members of the cabinet, the war cabinet, seeing that there will be no c spire, and they'll be no c spot until the captives are free. and there's no sign of that happening anytime soon. now, until the blinking will go to a mine, he's going to talk to somebody, i believe those the, and he's hoping to use the lever as i mean, and use the con to put pressure on him us to start releasing some of the captive said are being held there, but it's clear that well until the blinking and joe biden are saying we stand right behind israel. there is growing consent at the public perception and the numbers of
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just big guys, and that is certainly playing in too high america is talking to israel. and of course, domestically in the united states, it plays into jo biden's hopes of the election. if he starts alienating key constituencies. and the election is only one you to wait. and then you put your finger that about the, on the dead from gaza was only a news was just breaking as we were going to add with a show about palestinians have been killed, trying to flee along the salon, dean road, this office, a very grin back shop, obviously, to blink cans. message any reaction tumbling can from the u. s. o n d from his right is to this well, nothing you're told from blinking. he will again say we want israel to conduct the war within humanitarian law, international rules of war. and when the children and women are killed by
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a time fighting and miss out them, it's hard then for him to stand up and say, well that this is justified. and he realizes that and he realizes how difficult that would be. so that is why he made no mention of this, but yet again, talked about how she might have to the law has to be followed. i was speaking to someone eliot this week from a think tank in washington, who said it's almost like a thing. they have to say they've got to follow humanitarian law international law, but nothing ever happens if the doing so these really is log you that they didn't talk to women and children deliberately. there was some operational reason for what they did. and we may get some sort of explanation from these, or at least in the coming hours. but it's very rare that they would comment immediately after. and of course, we've seen in numerous occasions in the past where they have a certainly taking the time and providing a clear explanation to events like this. all right,
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thanks so much allen session and the issue that things so that updates on a very fluid situation. talk about fluid situations while we spend on this some pictures of come in. we want to show them to you now this, these a live pictures coming in from a ship, a hospital in garza where there's just pain. and it's really strike at the gate just in front of that hospital. well, this comes just as often we heard from the head of the health ministry and gone so that only full hospitals, now full hospitals, are actually still functioning in the gaza strip. let's talk to you in the state. she joins us now on the phone from garza city. so human the land start with the very lysis the strong come to shift a hospital. tell us about what that has done. yes, that'd be so that was a drone, a mess side that was hit on the front get of a ship,
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a hospital. of course there are casualties from the strike between killed and injured. we still don't know the exact figure since the attack has just happened. let's note that the ship a hospital has over 5000 patients of the injuries in that complex and 10 tens of thousands of displaced people in the spread charts and the backyard of a ship complex. a ship is the largest hospital in gauze the city. and because this is true, but this is not the only attack, the ambulance says that have been a taking injuries now and heading to the crossing in a press conference. a super hospital was just saying that they want a they, they demand a international protection for these ambulances as they has been tardy. being targeted on a sheet street the past days. and they were asking on air. the red cross to
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is course these ambulances on their trip to the crossing. that's when an ambulance also got hit from those goods. now we still don't have any news about the ambulances, the goss targeted in that group, the ambulances that we're heading towards it f off. we know this from local sources, us just the hospital itself. after just after the striking of the front gate of a ship, all a human in addition to the strong come ship, a hospital in addition to the strike, you mentioned on ambulances. it was also very grim pictures circulating, showing the off them off of an israeli strike on a civilian convoy. we understand heading from the north towards the south where israel had told people to go,
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can you tell us what we know about that strike home the under a sheet road, or we should let me just one view as these pictures you might find distressing. so they, they quite difficult pictures to watch, but this, this is the off them, off civilians and civilian goods strewn all over a road were playing those pictures. now, you know, i know you're in garza city. i can only imagine the sold of life and death decisions civilians like you have to make about. is it safer to stay in garza city where the is right? the army is told people to get out, or is it actually more dangerous to do what these civilians apparently trying to do, which is get out of the north and head to the south? well, actually the civilians are heading to the south according to these really armies, a constant orders. and let's, let's, that's it. it keeps on throwing on the civilian and,
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and even close that it keeps making on the civilian homes and phones to tell them to instantly evacuate and the time is running out from them. so they are taking the risk to evacuate to the self, but all through the past days, 4 days now in a row we have seen targeting on it is sheets, treat ovo the is really tags are not a rashid street. there are they are on the law had been street busted uh, cars and cars and convoys of people. youths that are heading towards the south are being targeted by tank shells of from so do the street and air strikes at the same time. now a 3 is the even the for that at least 8 children have been killed the today in the cold boy of the civilian cars that's worth t can or that's worth taking their way to the south. most of the people who have
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been killed in discharge between our women and children. and until now, the medical sources have told us that the 3 men, at least have been killed, was, doesn't have been injured in that attack on the civilian cars heading. so all right, you miss say to continues to report to us from inside garza said he now surrounded by his riley forces. we thank you for your updating us in reporting to us on the situation there in the north. just all the un office for the coordination of humanitarian. a says as hell to a briefing on the humanitarian situation in gauze gabriel as on the is live at the united nations in gabriel. if the humanitarian situation needed any comment. i think those pictures, as i say, say more than a 1000 words sometimes what did i have tons of words to add to that.
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yeah, we heard from the top 3 officials at o 2 a here at a briefing at the united nations headquarters, it's briefings actually still going on. but the main part of it has been concluded . and we've heard a very dire picture of the situation for the united nations and their staff in guys right now, martin griffith's, the top official of the humanitarian affairs office, has said that in his words, under a united nations, relief and work agency in gaza is in his work practically out of business. the situation is so bad. the number of internally displaced people in gaza is now 1500000 we're told with 690000 uh, under the care of under a, you know, unreal facilities with in guys that we're being told now that 50 un facilities
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within guys a have to receive damage due to is rarely bombardment and 5 direct hits to unreal facilities. we also heard from the top official in guy said to join the meeting via video conference, thomas white, he portrayed of very difficult situation in guys for the united nations right now. he said that they have lost contact with some of the you and shelters in the north of gaza. he said, he confirmed that more than 70. you and staff members have been killed from button bard meant and martin griffith said of those many were killed with their family members at their home. so very bleak picture for the un and gotcha. all right. well leave it that thanks so much. gabriel ellis on the
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the houses dear the the hello i'm 0 venue. thank you for joining us. this is the news. our life from don't coming up in the program today, a massacre on guys as our rashid road and is really here. a straight killed civilians trying to flee is really attacks and north gaza. at least 14 people, including children are killed, is really authorities and thousands of palestinians were working in israel when the war started back to the gun.

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