well enough, as all to tea and cold for an immediate end to the watering gauze, with detailed coverage, but would have said that he had been warning that they would be recommended to cations. if there isn't a resolution to the palestinian issue from around the world. passionate speeches and intense the pharmacy have so far failed to yield, the unified physician and the security council. diplomatic pressure has have little impact on his routes from bond meant of guys that mo palestinians that kills every day despite you and let appeals for a see fire. is there role for international diplomacy ending this war at up positions shifting as the desk told, mounts. this is inside story, the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm for the back to built. war is a failure of diplomacy. it's been said as israel is a tax on guys, a continue, the relentless kidding of palestinians is evidence of the inability of global diplomacy to end the violence. the us boxes are also military offensive as a u. k and a majority of european countries. but the cracks are starting to image islands, prime minister on fridays saying that is there as a tax on guys are starting to look like revenge among the superpowers china warrants the bombing campaign to end. while russia has said that is really strikes break international law and accusation it's facing in ukraine will be asking, i guess in a few moments if the problem is he can end this war. but 1st, where do countries stand on gossip? perhaps the best snapshot so far is the united nations general assembly, which passed a resolution last week calling for an immediate humanitarian choose between israel and him off the non on binding motion pass

a 120 to 14. with 45 countries of staining demonstrations that also pressure some governments to act by rain, which normalized ties with israel in 2020 as we called it, some bass. at a long time, western allied jordan has done the se. there's a whitening diplomatic rift between some latin american nations and israel, but levia has cut all ties, accusing is really forces of committing crimes against humanity. columbia and chilly have recall there in basset. as the european commission president or sea level underlay and has been unequivocal in her support for as well. but some countries like spain and ireland have been critical of as well as the palestinian desk. tony is $10000.00, the us send it smo senior, dip them out to tennessee for a 3rd time since the am a photographer october. the 7th. we provided is really advice that only the best of friends can offer on how to minimize civilian deaths while still achieving its objectives of finding and finishing him off terrace and their infrastructure of

violence. today i spoke with prime minister netanyahu and other senior officials about concrete steps to do that. as present, biden's consistently stressed the need for his real to operate according to international humanitarian law. i also have the size that the protection of civilians must take place. not just in gaza, but also in the west bank where incitement and extreme, his violence against the palestinians must be stopped. while a spring in august for today's show, here in doha is still turned by a cat professor of public policy at home. i've been felicia university. he also found at the center for conflict and humanitarian studies at the doha institute for graduate studies. and his rama bodies. molly had no d, who served as pakistan's, and by so the to the u. k. the us and to the united nations and in berlin, stephen elena, the chief matic correspondent for europe for the new york times. thank you to all 3 of you for joining us. is steven allen. good,

let me start with you in berlin. so the us secretary of state, back in the region for the 3rd time since october, the 7th. all you seeing at all a shift in the us position? yes, i am actually, it's not a major shift, but there has been shifted emphasis. the emphasis is on pushing israel to make sure she might of turn a gets into gaza and that there would be pauses, at least for hostage releases. so that is a shift. i think the americans are obviously listening to criticism coming from other parts of the world. they're very worried about their own interest in the region, and they're worried about designs interest in doing the region and they are urging, as well as the house, i must say, from the beginning to be very careful about civilian casualties. and whether that urging is affected or not. it's for others to judge. ambassador loading stephen

arlington says they seems to be a shift in the us position. but israel doesn't appear to be in the mood right now. it seems to entertain any talks of a cease fire. is there a role for international diplomacy at the moment, nearly a month since this conflict started? yes, of course. there's always a rule report international diplomacy. and i think the reason diplomacy has failed so far is because there hasn't been a significant shift in the us position. you mentioned the un general assembly resolution. remember that almost 2 cups of the un membership of a $193.00 states to which $121.00 gave would result in yes, to the color photo humanitarian choose. it was the united states that opposed it. and in the security council to the us continues to support or not support you either a ceasefire. in fact, it's not even in favor of any kind of

a humanitarian choose. which is why separate resolutions have fared in this a go to counseling even now as i speak of the 10 or the elected non permanent members of the security council. but still trying to figure out a way that they can come up with a resolution that others can support. but for the, for the time being, it seems that the us is not a bit to stop is right guiding doubt. it's less because of the students civilian palestinians and the defendants most unfortunate. so i think we should be very clear to describe the blame for the failure of the, of the, of the, from a silver seed where, where it belongs. okay, some time back out your thoughts on this, steven irving, us as, as a shift in the us position and basset a load. he says, it's not a significant shift in off. who, who do you think is to blame for the failure of diplomacy? right now, a live person, they do not see it as

a major shift. and of course the united states could have predicted the impact officer. i was war on guys because there has been many, many episodes of this. they have supplied the weapons. they know exactly the impact of, of, uh, the power as rattle can use against it should be areas. so i, i don't see it as a major shift. however, the diplomacy works with the normal countries with normal states. and unfortunately, as i am, does not see itself amongst the states of the night of the united nations, they see themselves as standing above their goal. and there has been a, not a great number offers solutions that have called and his route to it behaving a certain way or to give concessions and others including the back in 2016 when that obama on his way out of the white house. and abstain from featuring

a very important security council resolution that has to do with the expansion of settlements. so it's so unfortunately, as long as it is, it's continues to see a so as the, as part of the child, the big night states about federal diplomacy doesn't really work as far as the, as they're concerned. and this is what we have see repeatedly and in the middle east. not only what this war, but as i said in many, many times before. all right, so don, i'll come back to you in a moment to ask you about the position of our countries right now. but i wanted to bring steven in now, in terms of the public opinion and global public opinion. we're seeing a protest and a number of western countries in, in the us. we've seen protests in, in countries like the u. k as well in london. is that having an impact on the position of some of these western countries? it certainly is without custom, just those protests can power countries as having an impact on leaders. also,

there is a legitimate fear for palestinians civilian lives. there it is, a legitimate desire for the palestinians to have the state of their own. i found some of what we're seeing is simply that it's in even democracy is the right to protest is they are, it's real. and of course leaders listen. there are other issues at stake as well, including of the right of countries to defend themselves and their obligations and i stress obligations to defend themselves within the limits of international war and international humanitarian law. those things are real, i think they're not very well understood. but i say that the printers are important and they are legitimate, and they are having in back. all right, a mass of the low,

the, on the impact of the protests, what are your thoughts about this? do they have what it takes right now? the momentum it takes to change things around. but the 1st one, i think we must acknowledge that from east to west, the kind of rallies that we're seeing and sort of deputy with the better stand in that really unprecedented all the way from latin america to east asia, including of course wisdom, countries. but the, some of the largest have been seen invest in capital is like london. so i think this is having an impact, certainly on european countries because many european countries have a spot supporting a cease fire. so big a feeling the impact of these, the public good demonstrations. i think also it's sending a clear signal to the united states these georgia strategies that the united states

happens to be on the wrong side of history. that it is a 9 is right to carry on what crimes mess it goes and the kind of ethnic cleansing that we have not seen in recent or more than history. so i think there's a signal from these voters stood demonstrations. and there is also a sense that the word opinion, as expressed both by countries reflected in the un general assembly resolution, as well as what have been expressed by publics in the word across the board. they're all saying the same thing. they want the fighting to stop and they want the fighting to stop now. and they also want justice for the people defend us time some time back at our opinion. now rather timid response so far from our breeders, even though the ab street has been boiling a number of countries. so have hardened depositions in recent days, including jordan and byron, which of a ended diplomatic relations with his route. but it would seem that some arab

countries that normally is ation with his route in recent years has prevented strong the condemnation of israel's actions in gaza. do you think a move like jordans is likely to make any difference that all could out out of the countries follow jordan's example to yes, well, i think a diplomatically that has been condemned the nation. and in some cases, like in the gulf states, although maybe cameras has not put out something independent, the statement that was presented to the generous somebody on behalf of the gulf states was very clear and kind of in condemning the tax. and maybe in israel for the massacres, and also presenting according attention again to the peace plan which was devised by the late getting up to the start doing it again. so individual countries may not have taken a shop clear a position in the home, maybe to salvage some kind of normalized issue in particular,

i think maybe we can point out just out here. right? yeah, that has taken, but yeah, big wish to stand on decision until this month. well, why do you think that is, i mean we, we, we heard and saw humans hopefully revels early of this week. declared warren israel firing massage towards israel. how much do you think of that complicates regional didn't the regional diplomacy, especially for a country like saudi arabia. i think that again i'd be is very much focused on achieving its 2030 vision. and the whole idea of engaging with piece talks with the iran and also encouraging the talks and yeah, man and so on, was trying to look for a greater degree of stability. bunch of french, it has been arranged with united states that there wouldn't be a normalization with us or how and that is where i would come to the protection of surgery and yeah, so now some of the assumptions i think now can be, can be legitimately question by the side of the public. but this is by and large the, the bigger idea. so they would hope that this thing ends as soon as possible to have,

you know, as you may have noticed, in fact they have not even suspended the re, uh, the festival, which is uh that music and dance festival. in contrast to what has happened. and many other out of the capitals now going back to jordan, which i think is very important. this is the one can just do that matters most as far as, as well. jordan and it shares the longest border with a 0. it has a large number of policy and refugees living in it for now warning, and it would be based on what they see on their tv, their app on choosing to go on fine. there's a lot of pressure on this in industries and they've had to act despite the fact that they're also heavily dependent on financial aid from the united states. and i'm sure they must have being an adult to of by the united states. as it is often 1st, it's not being, it's not being the uh, visit by uh,

by the in person by now. yes, it was the 1st change, the window she has to meet with them. and now taking this position they, they are caught between 2 fires. one is just dependency on the united states and their dependence or dependence on a peace agreement with israel, which they've tried to project on menu menu changes almost have to years. there has been a lot of incidents and, and has consistency managed to keep that from a take advantage of going. but that thing they, they must feel and ignore the un under right value and by they is really side is receiving. let me ask you about that. sorry to interrupt you. so kind. i just wanted to bring steven on that on, on jordan's position, steven. and whether, you know, jordan of, of withdrawing it, some bass that are right now to, to israel. is that a concern in washington? in other western capital is because jordan has been, of course, on interlocutor in this crisis. and you know,

is washington today concerned that it could be in a collision course with a lot of these are of countries, some of which are allies. i don't think there's over much concern. i think everyone understands the difficulty the king of jordan finds themselves in, which was just very well kind of lost. the same problem is with egypt, which is another very crucial peace treaty allied with israel. and of course, egypt holds the keys to the other part of gaza and the keys to japan, to turn in a and lots of things. so it is a very awkward moment. the one thing i would say that it hasn't really quite come up yet is the most of it is and i would say most of the sunni arab states are no great friends. so i'm apps, there are no great friends of islam is radicalism which threatens them and no great

friends of the most and brotherhood. so this is another reason for their ambivalence. they have to respond to public opinion, but they really are not particularly eager for a mouse to come out of this strength. and do you want to respond to that sometime back? how do you agree with stephen on that point? i agree. invisible. yes. i mean, they have been a bulk of about this. some of those countries have listed having us as a generous organization, despite the fact that it is not listed by the united nations and the associated to them with a mr brother. however, there has been changes within from us, particularly starting from 2017, you know, the lighting offered. so charter was an important milestone. and that the fact that they've distant themselves from longest and brotherhood publicly. and they said we're, we have nothing to do with that, but it's a kind of strong reason. i'm a company. we are very focused on our causal side and liberal ration,

which again is, is that right, protected to them by the un shot to. so there has been some developments, it's may have not been fully appreciated across the region. but uh, although the, the government's under was, may wish to see something else. they would like to see a more secular authority in gaza. they understand for me uh well that it's impossible to have that kind of government in a situation like as a you cannot to allow the occupation and the siege. you guys have to continue and expect people to have a normal life where they would entrust themselves to, to and also to g calls for grades of understanding with israelis. all right, and what come back to you so time in a minute to ask you about what's next, you know, if and when, how mazda is out of the picture and guys have been, and then what snacks and what about the yellow in, in the westbound, what role could it play here, but i wanted to ask him boss of the low,

the 1st about the way forward you said in bassett, or that mediating the end of this conflict through diplomacy is still possible. so what needs to happen in order to get both sides to come to the negotiating a table and is that likely to happen any time? so no, are we looking at several more weeks of fighting? and when i take the answer to the question, really lies in washington, that goes until and unless the united states begins to see that it's one sided stance and it's complete. li, unconditional, blind support for israel is lending the entire middle east and the kind of instability, whose consequences under the cushions when we go on and on and on for years and years to come. i mean, this is not going to go away. so therefore, i think the room for diplomacy is, or was day or even in the you in the security council, there is an opportunity still, if the us is able to step back and look at what's happening tags to the kind of

support that it has given and in board it is right with there is an opportunity for refresh resolution. i think as far as my understanding was the countries as well as the oil. i see the organization office nomics cooperation, the logical state board. they're all trying now to see if they can revives some form of resolution. so similar to the one in the engine and assembly in the security council. if that has the support of, you know, china has this month's best it in the, in china is very much in support of a cease fire. so i think the key lies in washington. if washington has enough pressure on it, a boat from within its country. although its election year, so we all know what that means, but from the rest of the world, because right now it seems that the rezoning outcry in the word is for a ceasefire, is for all these images that we see on our television screens today to stop the

heart, this black chit cottage and corner blood people up being a cute in gaza. so i think the onset does lie in diplomacy, but for diplomacy to be effective and to succeed through united states is most listened to the rest of the world or because of the lord it seems like it's the united states and is roy versus the rest of the word stephen allan, get a bass and unload, he says the key lies in washington, and that there's still an opportunity at the un security council. but even if washington was to, to bring in israel, it was to demand a sci fi today, would then it's now government, which is under domestic pressure also to, to do more. in fact, would they heat that come from washington if it came? well, 1st of all, wash it, it is not cooling for it was far not yet still got not yet,

but washington holds a clock in its hand. every garza incursion i've ever covered and that includes nearly all of them from inside gaza. there was always in washington's hands a clock and it's an ugly analysis perhaps. but it's a measure of civilian pain versus time versus is riley military and, and the clock is ticking. now because of what happened on october 7, inside israel prover with the murder of many people, the clock is likely to run a little longer. but the clock exam till when, until until when, until what, which death toll? well i, i'm not a part of the united states government and i cannot tell you, frontier does exist and i think it will not be as long as the it was really is a lot. have to be okay. so uh, so time back out, your thoughts about that?

i very much agree with that others you of the clock and i think the last what, what numbers my fear is that it turned most of until or nothing. yeah. and his own mind have restored the ratio of $1.00 to $10.00. so we're probably looking at $14000.00 casualties before the united states starts putting pressure on israel. the what is really unfortunate tuesday night just a missed opportunity to, to, to lo, be back and got the nice support from dave. so to the low based order that it has to, to change with the support you know, but on the side, the west of nations and the aftermath of the 2nd world war. this order was the last chapter i need a few years ago when we had, we wouldn't use the russia ukraine war. and the majority of the southern countries refused to come clearly in support of ukraine against russia. and if not with what

they want to see now, if they were suspecting that they may have taken the wrong position out there, now they're 100 percent sure that they're on the right track. and that this order doesn't work anymore. it just double standard doesn't really apply to them. it is an order that is designed only to serve the west and the interest. and of course is there is an extension of that. now this, this isn't missed opportunity and i think they would come to the graduate, particularly given now we're moving into taiwan is another, a lie that is a stretch and globally for the nice days. and i understand what you're saying as well. one of the interesting facts to compare now we have just passed $9000.00. it kept up so we get cash of teasing guys a in less than a month. and that's just the figure it all for us to begin casualties in ukraine in almost 2 years of fighting at super power uh, such as the, the, the russia we also,

we are worrying because now we have 2 nuclear powers at russia and as well as supported by the united states to make some 3 bowling gaged in complex, in our region, the united states and our presence here, the russians in relation to syria is making things extremely complicated. and it goes way beyond just a fact on the posting and on the bus. the and cause and what does it mean to israel right? back to the your thoughts a complicated future ahead and the scenarios are, you know, if you can't really decide which way this could go. and also your thoughts about the implications that sold on mentioned need vacations for western influence, west and different mass who spent a great deal of political capital trying to get support for ukraine from the global south. have they expended that now but i think

western countries are led by the united states facing a huge crisis of credibility and, and it origin uh, ended insurance for obvious reasons. many of them, uh, like i said before, some you would have been countries didn't break trends with the united states and began to support disease 5. but as far as the united states. and so if it's close allies, the like the united kingdom are concerned. i don't see them wielding the kind of insurance that they did before because they are going to be seen of been completely the correct key as just having the one sided view and completely blind to the humanitarian consequences of their own policy. and ask for the future and how this would have been out. i think it's hard to say. but i think the fear also why the reason of the conflict is very real. the longer this goes on, the logo is right, continues with this, but better admitted reactions. the greater the risk that they to begin to suck in

and join of united states. i mean, nobody wants a way to war, but they may not be able to avoid one if this guy is on a, for any length of time saving you've covered uh, many conflicts, all the previous conflicts in this region. before do you, do you see a wider regional conflict as a result of what's going on? and as a consequence of what's going on in class and right now is not i hope not because we'll see what has the law comes up doing. but the other word we haven't mentioned, yes is the word iran and it's yeah, roll in in the region and it is desirous and its conditions. iran, frankly use a lot of sunni arab states. it is also dedicated to the, even the nation of israel. i do not believe jim ron had anything to do with the timing of what time i stood on october 7th. but ron

and its reach for regional power and influence, i think is something we all have have to consider because the wrong is best. so the threshold nuclear states, right, point 10. so i do worry as everyone or is about a wider conflict. i want to all this to and very quickly i promise you that. but it's going to be a very difficult row that they had. i mean, i hope what will happen in the end. yes. some kind of international care for garza, so the people of cause i can finally live in breeze safe from my mouse and say from israeli falling. all right, we're gonna have to leave it there unfortunately, because we're running out of time. thank you. toll free of you for taking part in this discussion. so time back on monday. hello dee and steven, elena, and thank you as well for watching. you can always watch this program again any

time by visiting our website at alj, a 0 dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash 8 inside story. and of course you can join the conversation on x. i'll handle is that a j inside story for me for the batch board and whole team hearing del huh. thanks for watching bye. for now. the a 1000. 20000 injuries. $1400000.00 people displaced the we're just a tax. russian community and goes are being targeted. no one, it saves you. everyone in israel is still refusing to allow international journal seem to cause palestinian reporters risking

everything to get the story at 15 members killed in an ad strikes the listening post. we covered the way the news is covered the . ready ready the low on signing say, then this is the news out, live from dell coming up in the next 60 minutes is ready strong. so to school and gaza killing at least 20 people sheltering the strikes, also target free hospitals and the convoy of ambulances, gaza strip the fresh raids in the occupied wet.