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his voice is not being listened to by the other side. this is also coming together in this c d. c. community still not been able to find some of the middle ground that happened to you for it was that have been trying to do this. community. mayor of london times and it has, it does between the 2 communities quite to trends when it comes to those being committed by on those sonya, thank you very much. indeed. sonya contributors in central london barber being due to the protest and berlin. now we're going to speak to step boss and those protests in london very, very loud as isaac. it's here on the background to, to sonya. what's it like where you are a semi animated here in berlin as well as thousands are on the streets a at the moment, their marching away now from the square where they were gathering. and this is
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a huge turn out considering how difficult this has been for a program to send you and protests to gather in the last couple of weeks. so a lot of bands, but also a lot of people were the chase, which on so actually to people be taken care of as well for raising a kind of thing. it's like at the monument, but so far as has been around the tiffany a peaceful. there's a lot of complaints. yeah. and that's why this riley is not only about the violence that it's route. it's now committing and god for, but also about freedom of slain. shall people here say their democratic rights have been violated in the last couple of weeks they called on the dog. 6 there and your code in be santa. so basically a lot of people here not only from the spring and broke, but also last spring, wrote a letter from germany, i know a riley and for their freedom to speak out. and of course germany has this history of the whole across, so that's why this whole issue of anti semitism is very sensitive issue. here i'm
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in germany. the definition of anti semitism is broader than anywhere else because it also includes any attacks verbally, even against israel. so police at the beginning of this, riley will actually check a to guns and check if there were a legal. so there's a lot of pressure to spill on. these protests of mother came out in full force today in the process where you are seeing a relatively calm at the moment. what is the security situation like, i mean, our politicians and security officials concerned about the tensions rising between the muslim communities and or the least the those the supporting palestine and those supporting israel. yes, absolutely. yeah. there's a 1000 police here guiding this rally. but as i said, there was this a sense of the ratio, of course, in germany considering the history about anti semitism. and there's a lot of reports now also in recent weeks of anti semitic incidents. but this also
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includes, for example, of damaging and it's really flag, uh, sorta is this concern, of course, here in germany and germany has unconditionally been supporting israel. maybe even more than any other european country. also because of this historic gills as they say it. but other say it's an, it's a reason for the german authorities also and also clamped down on pro palestinian support is on immigrants for example. and it also plays into the hands of the file . right. so it's a fairly complicated situation here. but what today shows, at least to me, is that a lot of people are really demanding their rights to speak out and they are doing it step. thank you very much. and each step boss, i'm talking to isabella and what the kid has recalled. it's on bassett, or from tennessee for consultations with autumn industry. it says the move is due to the humanitarian crisis in gaza, sorta as more from uncle, according to a statement released by the tickets for the ministry here. they just
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a re cool. it's invested there to tell of you, back in, in, in the truck and the reason for that, the foreign minister says that the is ready on going and attacks on guys that one civilians and israel violating the violating, that the international laws. and also the case for the ministry. it's saying that these red is rejecting any quotes for a cs fire. so and also these, i have not a loving humanitarian aids to get into guys a freely. so these are the reasons that are provided by the turkish foreign ministry and that is coming in a very much interesting time because tomorrow the us secretary of state anthony blinking is due to me to use took his concert part here in on could i just had off his wizard, turkey are recording some best of this is quite significant. it seems that took his 40 minutes. we wants to send out a strong message to americans and is riley's that the meeting he is is going to be quite tough just took. yeah. and israel has recently restored the ties. so last
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year we have seen high level with the method with the both for ms. riley and the turkey. these valley prime minister is riley, the president. they have lenient on color and then so it gets for them is there was in jerusalem to restore the ties and right off to all of these. we ip wizards. both companies have appointed them. both of them is expectedly. so often, almost a decade of the severe relations they just restored the laces and now seems that the list is between the on could and to levy, or once they got being tested. as soon as the warrant guys are began one months ago, exceptional levels of damage had been inflicted on gas of the u. n. estimates that up at a $183000.00. how does this have been damaged in the bottom? and i said, 145 percent of all homes in the gaza strip. 28000 homes have been completely destroyed. the entire neighborhood slackened out of $35.00 hospitals. 16 are not functioning. 51 basic health care centers of clothes and 50 ambulances have been
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damaged. 1.4000000 of gas is 2300000 people have been forced from their homes in a chatter tree that was already densely populated. when joining a sunset is called as also please professor and residents of the faculty of liberal liberal onset, northwestern university and contract. he's been here for the last half hour or so. i'm going to ask you just about the level of damage that we're seeing in gas because of course, it is probably too late to start talking about the day after the war ends. but there has to be some sort of plan in place. so one would hope that would be to, in order to try to start rebuilding this an awful lot of rebuilding, that's going to have to be done irrespective of who's actually in charge. where do you start with something like the 1st of all, but what we are seeing, in fact, is the level of government to that to months us was the damages that we have seen in the 2nd world war. you can think of a real issue now versus then humble. another looks it is. and so you,
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the skin with images is beyond imagination. and of course, beyond the capacity of any single particle or even a collection of the job parties. to start to build done to your construction all the guys. so i think the efforts would be extremely difficult in terms of the, the, the construction in itself and more so when it comes to who wouldn't do this? the for the scene ends like things up at the scene and that sort of, he is very worried to be the sole executor of that he construction because they, they would be seen by monday for me to send me insights as if they are coming in to the guys i said one, is there any time for me to contact them? so could level anything even more with the is there any besides something that they that side to this as the themselves from uh, any. uh, i think out of countries in the region. uh, jordan egypt and maybe even some go to states, what do you think it twice? again, because the damages to or is so enormous. and secondly,
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the political consequences and the political framing of this process. who would do what? would it be very, very costly. and they think another question is, what is, how us and in the middle of this. so it depends how things went uh with at the end of the day. and how much is i think it would be determined that to stay as, as, as one keeps a, or in this, even if it was on the mind. and system going to tell you may be aspects. but politically speaking, this is a part of that's what we're doing. and guys, of course, extent is, this is a part to what is the social religious political, and must be effective in aspect so that you cannot uprooted easily. bye bye. i'm going to to the official one analogy that i keep kind of thinking of is as if, if how much was responsible for getting the civilians and the whole genocide,
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genocide than what is at the technician. and because of this, we can go back in time and think of 2000 if the american invasion of iraq and then we had half a 1000000 in the sense york is killed. so i think just think of it somebody saying we want to go and then unplug it, the republican party, because you know, the george w bush was the leader. so for the killing of a day like is now that the technician is, is the destruction destroying the republican party. and every single may be item building at a cost of that to get them to the party. and i'm gonna bring in our diplomatic attitude, james base. james, we're waiting for a press conference. there's going to be held by us secretary of state, onto the blinking cruise on a diplomatic tour of the region at the moment he's in in jordan at the moment. it's a very fine line that he's having to try it as isn't it? because he's the us has made it very clear that it supports israel's right to
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defend itself. the same time until you blinking is not holding meetings with automatic leaders or who are saying no, we won't cease fire. and the us, as itself is said, we are not going to support a ceasefire. and israel has said we are not going to support a ceasefire, finding the common ground or any sort of middle way. and this is going to be kindly, difficult for engine they've been. what do you think he's trying to achieve? i'm sure behind the scenes, he's had some very, very difficult meetings. these are really does need to be meeting with of 5 different countries as well as with the palestinian authority. they do not agree with the us position. they are all cooling for, to meet you at sea spot. now that's not the us position of the us position, which people try to explain to them is that the us now supports the idea of humanitarian pools is to get in sustained supplies of aid. also to get the foreign nationals out also to try and help the negotiations to get those that are held hostage in cause out. the problem is that could be blinking. has the,
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comes here to a mom to deal with the arab neighbors and the arab world. and the key players in the our world is that is meetings the day before it is or when so badly called get israel to sign onto this idea of the humanitarian pause. a prime minister netanyahu said that any be a pause if any of the captives all of these writing captives, what freed at once. and so i think there was real difficulty here for the secretary of state. how is he gonna balance his words? he's going in this news conference, we believed to be the deputy prime minister of jordan and the minister of foreign affairs of egypt. i think as ever, when you watch these are these sort of these conferences, they'll try and be diplomatic, but i think you're going to see the differences in open view all and for sure it all correspondence who's in occupied east jerusalem. and it was, it was saying to me, as i earlier that his impression was that there had been a slight change of emphasis that these rates have made that despite the strong rhetoric they were not, we're talking about moving into the 2nd phase. that was going to be essentially the
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urban warfare, but of the military spokesman had upon me, suggested that they were not limiting what they were doing, but they were changing the emphasis because they the very slightly do you think that that is an indication of what you're talking about that there's a lot of stuff going on in the background and that the israelis might be starting to listen to the front entity blinking. and his and his team have been saying about the way. not only that this should be counted up, but also how the world is proceeding this. they are certainly listening to what the americans are saying is it going to change the behavior of the military campaign? and certainly what we've seen in the last 24 hours is it hasn't so far. look at the bottom bottom and look at the bombardment of hospitals in particular of ambulances . this is the thing that will be concerning the arab leaders, the meeting secretary, blinking. i'm why they persist in cooling for an immediate cease for the us. certainly, i think has changed its position on that. it opposes the words, the spa,
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but it is cooling now for humanitarian pauses, very publicly. and um is engaging now at the you and the new york with a possible resolution to cool freaking monetary imposes. problem. there is russia is now saying any resolution doesn't have the c supply would and it is an unacceptable and see spot as a would, is unacceptable. to the us and i don't have to add yes, but the un security council resolution would be binding on everyone because binding international law. but there was so many security council resolutions that israel knows about. and it's supposed to a by and doesn't to me, kind of, i want to do it on a scale, but we've been seeing pictures on the top right hand corner of our screen. it'd be showing pictures of these. a norm is protest that'd been happening at demonstrations, but it's not called the protest demonstrations that have been happening in central london. this is an aerial shot of, of london at the moment. but presumably, the one that hasn't come to re establish is it's short. but we have also seen so many protests around the world under good. they seem to be growing and growing. is
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there any indication that you're guessing that the message is beginning to get so that if nothing else the, the level of tolerance, if you're like for the reaction that israel felt it was entitled to has now gone. and there is a very strong feeling that it has gone far too far. so yes, i guess the, the, the gap and time and the space that was given to him to conduct, you know, what they wanted to achieve. and as i said is no diminishing by the day we are seeing do more sessions and a lot on the. busy word and they are increasingly growing in size in demand and invoice. and i believe that this somehow puts even more and more pressure on different governments in the middle east and whole into hardwood know them. what comes to my mind with these demonstrations and globally is this very iconic instruction that we have, that you have the see to of the, the people,
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the window of the people almost globally supporting the simians and asking for an immediate cease fail. and yet the whole award, the global or the, the thinking and behaving differently. so it's a fraud haven't, i might not, you know, it's like even even to do on some, some sort of analogy between, between the apartheid system and south africa. what do you have? i'm the white minority control and you know, the, the internal majority of the people and against it on will. so now we have, we have a small group of countries, the payment to prevent the entail or because we don't have india, we don't have china. it was an internship and gladish, so even when we say the international community and the whole war, this goes only in our subconscious to these european americans. and so this discrepancy between what the people on the street want, and then what
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a bunch of v that was one that told me sites on them and, and this speaks and, and, and behaves on their behalf is very, um, very iconic. and even the best i live in for the me, just a little while i see we were reporting earlier on the t is pulling, it's on bassett, or from tennessee far consultation started. if i understand it correctly, very recently, relations between took care and israel had been very good and all of a sudden that that has, has been, at least for the moment it seems to have been broken to some some degree. do you think that we're going to see more countries taking this kind of action the longer this military action continues, suddenly the relationship between isn't until 2 had been the best. it have been for some considerable time. i would say it was very good, but it said you had been improving. and so what we've seen in the last couple weeks, clearly turkey has come to he has completely re evaluated it's position. i think it's interesting. i think it's interesting that jordan pulled out. it's ambassador
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from israel because some of these countries that are meeting and you're in a mom and you're going to see the tool, they need deputy prime minister and the direction for a minister at this news conference with the secretary blinking. those are 2 of the countries that have had the longest standing piece deals with israel done in different circumstances. and jordan's deal was done as part of, of, of, of, of, of, of a piece process. the also process. but i think this will why read the americans? i think they will be concerned with it. well, what are these riley's? i think there's a question mark here. as we talk about those protests around the world. we talked about more more countries raising that concerns about the weight is what it's doing . this is the question. even if the president of the united states said stop this now and came out firm. and we know he's not going to do that for political reasons . and in the us because we know where both policies are with regard to support from his route. but even if he did at this time with this is where the prime minister
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would they listen to the us. i think they would continue with the military plans regardless king james. thank you very much. indeed hon. the thank you very much. indeed. both of you for being with us. stay we, while at the moment we're basing for this press conference, as i say from us secretary of state, andrew blinking, who is also going to be speaking with the foreign ministers of jordan and of egypt . soon as that comes up, of course, we're going to be taking it live on, we're going to be talking to you about that for another. thank you very much indeed . well, i'll just say that has spoken to us citizen stuck and guys. and she was attempting to leave cause of with adult her friday. but while i'm traveling to the border with egypt, they was struck by as really shelling at least 14 palestinians were killed or traveling on the road, trying to free the war on friday. we have us citizenship and were told to hit food crossing on the boat did with egypt. our names were on the list of those allowed to leave through rough as we were traveling on the coast, the road leading house, a lot of bus was sion, my daughter age 17,
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lost her arm. shame on the is the 80 me god punish them. this is my new us citizenship. no one is did me got one is but is there 81 on the box? the bus was destroyed and we came to this hospital all the way by foot. we would almost killed the u. s. embassy called me and told us to leave through the crossing . i was sued them on on the spot while we're waiting for that price conference in the us secretary of state and the jordanian and exemption form . this is we're going to return to gas town. a couple assume is life for us, and con eunice in the southern part of the gaza strip type. just bring us the latest, 1st of all, from 10 units. do you have any sense if people were able to use that central road from the north to the side of the israel, said, would it be safe to use yes,
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previously as well, has a hold at the people of the north as central areas of the territory evacuated the houses into it forward to the southern areas of the gods district. meanwhile, different people have been targeted throughout the process of the evacuation. now they are extending this duration of evacuation from 1 o'clock to 4 o'clock in god's a local time. and people were really afraid and totally terrified to, uh, to head, to these other areas of the gaza strip as they were, as they are forced to work for long distance in order to get back to wait the houses and the ongoing run out. so if you see the ongoing is a relentless attacks, people are really heavy show up by the use by the, for my tax that to place a different against different simple cause. a during the evacuation to the southern areas and even what be what really sees that it terrifying is that different the united nations vehicles have been bombarded and also i'm feeling says which can send it to be the ultimate safe place or say vehicle has been almost attacked by
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the occupation forces, so people are really terrified to leave the house and they have no any kind of dell running low on fuel foods and even medical supplies until now there was no any confirmation that any people had really left to the other in areas of central areas of the territory and hit to the southern areas for oh, so there is a religious attacks continued topic. of course, we've been reporting on a raft as of air strikes, some sensitive locations, including a school and a hospital. what more can you tell us about those as well and the situation of the ground in gaza strip is really on imaginable. here we are talking about strikes and every single minutes and every single hour. it doesn't have any kinds of and by the way, how do you spell your vent brilinta? so types continued during the last couple of hours targeting separate residential buildings. pausing from central gauze as to what residual tallahassee bombarded. you know, most of the neighborhoods, 2 slots in the residential bar and there was neutral building, has been completely destroyed and they were the main target for these when it strikes. also that tuck continues in, during
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a group of people were stationed near the beach. they had been also been fired, attacked by the occupation naval forces that tax continued in the southern areas of vitro treatment. why are we where we are standing right now? if i knew the city where a residential building was flat since, and 4 people have been reported killed by the occupation of forces also with the gates of, of course, um to ship uh parts and uh, the muscle of hospital had been wanting, keep them bothered by the occupation forces, it seems that there was a systematic attack, so i'm targeting for the our medical facilities in order to force them to evacuated from the northern that central area. so the of the gaza strip does it to be something areas as palestinians. i have no longer be able to cope with the current situation of the ground. tell me, is there any indication that the humanitarian aid that we've been talking about over the last few days is actually making its way to the people, the palestinians in garza. and can you talk us through how they are able to get hold of that a if and when it arrives,
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the right starting to start speaking about the amount. so if you have an attorney that had been delivered to the guys district, this amounts of you in missouri nights, adults are really opposite of it to the territory by the united nations and under the supervision of the united nations distribution. these can send it to be very limited in comparison with the needs of the goals district in daily basis. i'd say to you to online and jordan, we've been waiting for that press conference by the us. that gives you straight onto the blink. and this is joined by the foreign minister of jordan. i'm and stuff on it on the foreign minister of egypt sunday, shall craig. this is after a run of diplomatic talks that sets us secretary of state has been having in the region with out of leaders who are determined that there should be a cease fire. but he is maintaining the us, and israel stands that initial fee, no cease, fire will come to use some
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i guarantee all the leaks. i will come most of the most of the 4 minutes of age if uh and so do not tire. you know, to the business and also the secretary, you have a lot of the palestinian authority at this data moment. this where our human values historic relation and ongoing relations and a lot of key in our teen, this interest to protect and safeguards, all our people from the very but this one is a for all this dictate to so that we must work together to put an end to this, the disasters about their update on october 7th and exacerbated it today. and so that's all in with the is what i the war on guys because and we spoke today candidly with veracity and
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was extensive with an absolute transparency we met or what positions, what is compared to the different on the account. totally different those positions yet. so, so we said i would attain this to continue to engage intensively to in order to put an end to that what cannot be described. then i get that survey. that's what homes that agent for the generations to come. we own seek is just a matter of fact and permanent piece on the basis of the 2 state solution as well in spain, to the security of the agent and the security of the palestinians as well as these like it is let alone the holder, peoples of the agent, so during the meeting we have some converging views. i mean, pulling between the put us position and the position accept press to by the out of
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40 minutes sort of as present during the meeting, these points included then it says v to deliver to the swift and some and continuous. so today's a to desa, that is i'm sitting on the continuous of, of human services, but addiction of civilians. appointments to look at a spec to the hit and it's a mess. and a lot of him attended low to the lease of captive civilians. and the zip 10 of the 1st of of to instead of the palestinians out of their homeland. this is what they said by our brothers in egypt. and the same is there a today to is by us. he is in the 8th is yet another world crime which we will address by all means could save of the arctic states called for an immediate cease fire. that's what it where as we continue to see civilians getting on by the minutes. and we had a 2nd, so labeled it, as i said, it's a defense. it is
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a pleasure in toward thought of thing and killing civilians, destroying hospitality mosques to schools. and it cannot, cannot be justified. it will not bring no security to is right. it will bring. nobody's that he isn't killing must come to an end feeling the world machine must come to an end also is empty unity again and then, and that's a little also cannot be tolerated. that must come to an end. now i wouldn't speak to english in english we cannot allow this for all that has to be done to bring about just peace through the region with every mist sign, a lease on guys. would it be kidding? go up in a city and child and is ryan has been doing this for more children than or a little bit of conflict that since 2019, the whole region is thinking in
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a sealed hatred that will define generations to come at that is already starting to manifest itself and expressions and acts of get to the region. and it to be honest in the deplorable ox and expressions of the summer full via an empty cemetery. and that's something that we only stand against unequivocally, unequivocally on principle. and in accordance with our human values, and this is not at all is a score. it's not a war between muslims and jews. this is defined in its context and our values, muslim christian, jewish for other human values dictate that we where for peace and we stop, it's not this. and we do not allow for a, for the very dangerous, the humanize ition that we see a page up and should not be allowed to destroy the lives of millions of people.
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we have the sun, there has been nobody in their right mind. we've been attend the pain, it was and by the end of october 7, and that's being sent by for me to send in some all of us as a matter of. but we are up, was an insufficient use human being that's being cut off the bulletin. but again, we cannot allowed each to determine where we go forward. we come to them and they can go on civilians between them, beginning of a city and civilians. we condemned thinking of his or 80 civilians on october 7th and before and after, regardless of of nationality as i said, where seem you are at on this situation in the west stock again killing and, and the violation of international law cannot continue their secular should not be allowed to on page a city and communities and can in a sense, in the west bank at the soldiers, full, broad,
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despicable humiliation on palestinians after illegally uh, defending them should be in a confident but of citizens. and his ladies deserve to live in peace with dignity, with security and freedom from a compassion and freedom from fear only a dust and lasting peace. that's what those the right of people are sending people to freedom. their southern states is doing settlements. they're competent in june for 1967 lines, living side by side, a secure as well, and we'll bring security towards the priority now as to ending the floor at the same thing as implies to preventing further destruction for restoring home and to stopping it. a dangerous b humanise vision for lives matter to one of us and the secretary div tony us as a leading role to play in these and on it and all of a.

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