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latest reactions and global out experience. so jewish person, israel does not represent me, the killing of all those innocent families in israel was terrible. but the response is even worse. it's a genocide. it is up acceptable trouble stages and it seems even more unacceptable to have children of stages. it's all about religion is about to me. i think for me to get down 5 for what's to stay with us. the latest developments on al jazeera. hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. is real, is intensifying its attacks in the gaza strip and ruling out as the spire but at what cost and where does the palestine israel issue go from here? let's get to the bottom line, the israel's military response to i'm us as a tac last month shows no sign of ending any time soon. more than $8500.00 palestinians

have now been killed and more than half of the gaza strips population has been displaced since october 7th, when almost broke through the fence surrounding the gaza strip and killing hundreds of israelis and taking more than 200 captives as hostage is really forces have dev, stayed at the gaza strip by here, by sea and by land for weeks and said they will, quote, continue and intensify until her mazda is eliminated. the united nation says that humanitarian catastrophe is unfolding before our eyes, and palestinian hospitals are collapsing due to fuel shortages. meanwhile, american president joe biden to staunch the defending israel and calling civilian deaths. quote, the price of waging war and the conflict has gone global, with its effects being felt everywhere from soccer clubs to university campuses. so where does it go from here? today we're talking with nico, paulette a former is really soldier who now advocates for peace and he's the author of the general sun journey. ivan is rarely in palestine mutual. thank you so much for

joining us today. there is widespread support across the is really political spectrum for current actions. you're a real stand out. tell us how you see things at this moment. to thank you for having me. i want to start out by saying that there was no how much their attack on october, the 7th of student fighters came out of the guys a strip one of the most depressed and 4 places the face of the or um and uh, after you know, decades and decades of, of suffering, uh, violence and brutality. not just a savage rate at the hands of israel, and a cruel uh and unreasonable, i need be less uh, a siege on the, on the gaza strip. they came out and they managed to uh, almost take over the, you know, half of half of what, what is israel today and to paralyze the state of israel for weeks. and so that i, that is, that is, i believe, a more,

a more accurate description of what the place of the state of israel was caught off guard is really military as been once again shown to be nothing more than a paper tiger. and now, because like, you know, like a gangster, there's been humiliated they're taking their vengeance on innocent civilians killing, you know, thousands upon thousands of civilians. um only for the sake of revenge, there's no strategy here. there's no real uh, there's no real understanding of how to solve. there's no, there's no real intends to protect these rarely so to speak, to provide safety. it's not a question of self defense, the question of brutality and revenge, because it was really aided and now they need to improve applying. so they're killing as many as soon as possible, which by the way, is not stopped to talk to your fighters from continuing to fight and you know, the, they, they, they entered the ground forces just another day or 2 ago. and they've already got close to 10 or 12 is all the forces that have been uh, they have been killed. right. and i go, i, i have to just jump in. i mean, i,

i need to be clear. i see it very, very differently than you and this is an interview with you. but i also just want to say in terms of framing, you know, when i, i've been watching the israeli palestinian for relationship for a long time. i feel like the underlying tektronix has had been wrapped in a whole series of grievances and injustices. it's very hard for me to hear someone say these are freedom fighters, given the horror of what we saw on october 7th. there needs to be. this is part of a campaign to always pay the past. it is as a wild, you know, uncivilized mob that will be had children and rape like women. none of that is true . and many of the hundreds of his relatives that were killed or apparently now, according to his rally testimony, according to the testimony of his rights who are on site. many of these relatives were killed or killed by israeli fire, by his early uh, by the israeli military itself. so we don't really know how many were killed if any, by the costing and fighters after that. the heading, you know, you know, of course,

you know, heard of children killing children is a terrible thing. but i want to point out here that when israel drops tons of bonds on residential neighborhoods, you know, what do, what do we, what do you think happens to the children inside these homes? are they not beheaded? are they not? you know, this is about their little bodies destroyed. they're not die from the gases and the fumes in the fire. and not to mention yesterday, we heard from dr. max gilbert that they are over 2000 testing and children and guys are missing. and you know, missing means missing that there is somewhere in the level and nobody can reach the . so that's even worse than the ones that have been killed. so the savagery here is not what we see on the palestinian side. the stories of savagery that will protect perpetuate in the beginning were proven to be live. we have seen a consistent, a consistent policy of savagery and murder of civilians, not to mention be heading of children if you want to talk about that. i don't want to get to the script is here. what happens with the phosphorus and so on when it falls on? i'm the small bodies of children and we've seen this going on for decades. these

are the savages didn't start on october. the 7th, it's been going on for a very long time. so i think that it, in my opinion, at least as is a much more accurate description of what took place. we're gonna agree to disagree and that, but i am interested in a conversation that has begun to, you know, show, show some sprouts in washington and it, and it worries me a little bit it's, it's really about the day after what is the future of god. so look like, what is the future palestine look like? what has to be there? i've been asking what about the day before this happened because this was largely ignored conflict where people were not moving with ambition and purpose to figure out how the palestinian is really a situation could lead to something credible in solving when it came to a piece and the rights of palestinian. so you know, that was the day before. let me, let me ask you how you measure what the day after needs to look like in terms of after this conflict,

given the fact that there was so much just dropping it under the rug the day before october 7th? yes, i, i think you're right. this historical moment right now and i think nothing. i think this is an opportunity, is all the pain and suffering in the heart that is taking place in gaza. this is definitely an opportunity to grab the bull by the horns and to make real political demands real, to fight fight for real political games or to achieve real political games. uh for the policy it ends once and for all so that this does not happen again. if we're talking about tomorrow, we want to prevent this from happening again and you write the this up. the fact that this was ignored and somehow people expected is riley, is particularly expected. they can go on living like this while people, millions of palestinians are being, you know, living under these har har after conditions. there's a few kilometers away, is not realistic. so what are we looking at? i believe it all depends on what kind of negotiations are going to take place. the problem is that the student issue is an orphan. there is no real policy and there is no organization. there are no countries that are supporting the policy and cause

for freedom and justice. and so what needs to happen now is there needs to be a demand and that's as far as these fires. these fire is going to happen when the sides decide to stop fighting. what needs to be demanded right now is an absolute immediate and it to the see john guys are an absolute unconditional release. all policy and in political prisoners and a demand for one person, one vote elections over all of the store of palestine to create a retail demarco democratic state all over is or palestine. nothing less than this . the past is approve of 2 things. number one, they are absolutely capable of characterizing the state of israel. and once again, i'll say a handful of fighters from one of the poorest, most oppressed places in the world, managed to paralyze the state of israel completely, or for, for a very long time. and the 2nd thing is the policies are made enormous, are making enormous sacrifices once again. and so both of these things i think, are deserving of upstairs attention and nothing less than an absolute final

political solution in palestine is, is required at this point. or the nighted states me go is supporting israel's military campaign for the moment. and it is also saying it will not call for the ceasefire. just as a prime minister. netanyahu has said you, he will not engage in a ceasefire right now. and we are in the united states, instead pushing humanitarian support. how do you see this us role and how do you see the humanitarian needs right now and how they might be better achieved? well once again, i mean this, i started with united states, united states have been complicit in the, and israel's genocide policies for a very long time. this is not you. they've been supporting it with arms and money and political a cover. so this is again, there's nothing new only that, that right now the tax is something much more savage than it's ever been before. um, again, i'll say what needs to be immediately demand. it is and, and immediate unconditional. and to see john gaza. an immediate to you support

humanitarian medical support for the palestinians in, in, in every way that, that, that, that, that is needed. and that needs rebuilding hospitals. that means providing them all the medical needs that are required. rebuilding homes or buildings, you know, creating a, a reality that all students and guys are able to live a normal life. like 3 people anywhere else. you know, 30 trucks or 20 trucks or 50 trucks or a 100 trucks and not going to solve the problem. you know, palestinians, the world has turned off students into beggars and that's not to do any farther. they're all, you know, they're turning policies are fuji's and into beggars costing in need freedom. the conversation should be, how do we add this slaughter of the savagery by the state of israel that's been going on for 75 years. granted their ups and downs and the savage rate. but this is, you know, right. it's been savaging for 75 years. nothing less. how do we ended and demand

and bring forward a real solution, a real just solution. so that is rosenthal. students can live in peace and i'll say one more thing on the issue a piece. if we support the policy and call for justice and freedom, israelis and palestinians will be able to live in peace and raise their children and have a future. if we support israel anyone's supports, israel is actually supporting the fight against justice, the fight against peace as to how do you actuate that in a, in a credible way? are there is really out there that, that believe what you believe and how do you bring them along? when i look at is really politics. you know, over the last 3 decades, particularly with price, a prime minister netanyahu, it is moved, not left, but it's move more and more, right, including in the, the current government. so how do you take some of the ideas that you're sharing today and say, well this is a very different formulation, but are there is really,

is out there. is there any credible path politically to what you're suggesting? now, a look. i don't think it likes in south africa, particularly keen on ending apartheid. but then there was, uh, there were severe sanctions. uh there were, there was a boy called again, south africa. um there were dies just the stairs. the investment from south africa eventually. and the like, but a partner in south africa was on his knees. that is precisely what needs to happen with his role is no privilege to side. the oppressive society or oppressive regime has ever left. willingly they have to be forced out. and so once again, what needs to be demand is immediate sanctions against the state of israel as relative diplomats, as like we've seen with the columbia. we've seen this now also, i believe with couple of other of the states and latin america. and i'm sure there's going to be a trend. the diplomats uh there was really missions are closing their, the diplomats are being sent home. there should be, um, you know, the complete,

you know, the boycott and his early teams and, and in the lympics and, you know, in any sporting events. and then the academic arena, diplomatic arena, so on the state of israel, as we is know, has been charged by amnesty international to be to the us, the accused of the crime of apartheid for 75 years. and as we know, the kind of apartheid is a crime against humanity. the, the, the amnesty report has some important recommendations that includes sanctions and include, you know, diplomatic and, and political um, actions against the state of israel. that will bring it to the point where they have no choice. i don't believe is rather going to do this willingly. they don't need to do this willingly, that they need to be forced to, to allow for a real political solution for real freedom and liberty. and again, understanding of that at the end of the day, at the end of the day, a just solution to the palestinian uh for the past. and then people will benefit as realities as well. because again, it's not about israel is versus the palestinians. it's israel against these israel

again. suggest to lucian, israel again. freedom. you're one of the questions i have is about the rage felt after a terror attack and i, and i know that you see it differently, but um, you know what? i sort of saw 911 happened and i saw the united states react, and joe biden said we over reacted. we acted in blind rage and he encouraged his real not to be blinded by the same kind of rage that in america is case let it down the wrong wrong direction and is real again after what it solves the horror on its borders along gaza. 1200 people dead, we now have around 200 people held hostage by home. us. how do you, in this moment, if you were to advise the government, if you have that opportunity, would you navigate this moment because there is just rage across is really society about what happened to them as well as ranges is, is, is completely,

i, i just the fine, you know, if anybody should be outrageously, it's the rest of the world. if there should be rates, there should be a range around the world against the tree to the palestinians. and guys gets accosted ins. warehousing is really prisons that against the fact that all students are denied water, not only and god, it's about throughout all the palestine is the fact that israel is killing palestinians in the west bank wholesale, the bank bodies through settlers and soldiers and so on. so i mean if there's any customer range, i believe the range should be on the other side. um, and if we want to talk about terrorism, and again, i'll argue on that to and once again, dropping a one time bomb on the building and killing civilians is, is an act of terrorism. when out of $200.00 people and full of fighters come out in order to take hostages in order to bring about the release of political prisoners, i don't believe that that is an act of terrorism. and regardless of how you frame it or what you call it, i don't know what kind of expectations people had the tossing is,

will not engage in some sort of arm resistance being how they treated the way they have them being killed in being, you know, they're the horrors, i won't get into the horrors, but they've been going on for 75 years and that well documented to expect the postings will not engage in some form of our existence is absolutely ludicrous. this is, this is, this is, and of course according to international lights, it's perfectly legitimate. if we're talking about acts of terrorism, or the last 75 years, actually i would talk about crimes against humanity. i was that far, it was it who has been engaged, not only in terrorism, is what has been engage in crimes against humanity. specifically, ethnic cleansing, specifically the crime of apartheid as has been, like i said, documented by the amnesty international reports, which for some reason the people who are, you know, very comfortably ignoring. and i will add it one step further and say as well as actually in being engaged in the crime of genocide or at least genocide policies, at least. so this is far worse than terrorism. and i think that again, dropping

a one time bomb not to mention tens of hundreds of tons of bonds, this is what has been doing on this civilian population and a particular population that has never had a military force. boston is or never had an army. there never had a tang, so to claim that that is somehow self defensive search, that is an act of terrorism, where people who are oppressed, come rise, and stand up even if they do so, holding arms that i reject completely the notion of that is about terrorism let me ask you about the cast of characters that have long been involved in, in israel palestine affairs. what about turkey, china, other players in the world becoming part of that day after equation? that's a good question. i mean, like i said earlier, i'll sign it as an ortho, i'll send you, she was an orphan. and what happened over the last of 3 years? so decades of all these countries that were traditionally supportive of the palestinian cause, the bricks alliance. for example,

most of the countries within the bricks alliance and others are now all doing business with israel. they're all doing trade with israel. they're all buying weapons with this. you know, you know, africa and it was traditionally a continental continental corner of the policy and cause are now, you know, so it has more than 40 diplomatic visions and is pushing to become a part or decent observer in the african union. and they're being allowed to do this. and of course, that is a very serious problem. i think it's less important who the players are and more important with the content is people need to understand the world needs to understand. and i think we're seeing this now on the streets and we're seeing all these, you know, massive protests and the streets and the costs. but just as the calls for justice, all right. clear, you can either have justice or you can have the state of israel, state of israel, my, these are the people, the state of israel needs to go to the state of israel, isn't apartheid state. it needs to be replaced with a free democratic state of palestine, you know, free palestine free democratic talestine on all historic palestine. one person,

one vote elections and we have, you know, we've seen this happen. we have a roadmap, we've seen, you know, specialist except tauriel and, and apartheid regime in south africa fall and be replaced by the by, by democratic governments, by, by democracies. so we've seen it happen many times before and we need to follow the same. the roadmap is there's nothing that needs to be is reinvented here. the issue is nobody is willing to stand up and say we, the state of israel is precisely the problem. it's not an occupation. it's not, there's, it's not the other. it's a state of israel. it's an apartheid state. it is the obstacle to peace. it is the obstacle to justice. now ask them or is it the media as voters, we need to speak up and we need to make it clear to our elected officials. you cannot stand up and support zionism because on. ism is racism. it's a racist ideology. and we demand no tolerance, the racism as consumers of other media when we see a lot of, you know, all the big names out there in the, in the corporate media. um, you know,

idolizing that's anyhow, idolizing the state of this deal. we need to demand that they stop. right now we need to demand or they stop. this is on acceptable to allow them to have an interview with benjamin. it's in the, our not challenge him on the fact that he's murdering innocent civilians. all of his, you know, rhetoric about his being 911 and the holocaust is completely completely, you know, mythical. not to say, you know, uh, an obscene life. right. it's really grotesque to hear what they're saying about what happened on october. the 7th, in terms of you know, their perspective of those rallies. the government of israel failed to defend its own citizen. the state of israel has been failing to defend all the people that governs, which means you go with his relatives and tossed it in. and it's time for a different political perspective. it's time for a real free palestine. it's fine to dismantle the apartheid state. right. and replace it with a free democratic policy. let me ask you

a final question. i'm interested in what's happening in the united states and your perspective of it. i know you're in jordan right now, but if you look at the broad cross section of politics in america, democrats on the whole, and republicans support uh, bb, netanyahu support israel in this moment of crisis. but if you look at layer beneath that, jo biden's, popularity has decreased 11 points among democrats. you have a protest around american colleges and universities that are basically supporting the policy and cause they are, they are say, it sounds a lot like you from abroad. does america look different and less and more divided than you've seen in the past? because you've been at this for a long time, but you've seen greater divisions. you see a soul searching in the united states over these issues that you might not have seen before. of what i did say in the united states and what i've been sitting in europe a project, you know, all over europe actually is something very interesting. this is the growing as a,

there's a growing, popular support for the cause of justice in palestine and fees. and palestine and live ration for cost in it. however, we see that the governments like in the us in the, okay, and throttle in throughout europe are all standing with israel. and there's a massive gap between the popular support and the demand of the constituents and the elected officials. and somehow the demand for free talestine, the demand to standard palestine is not being heard in the halls of power. and i've seen that as a failure of the us as constituents, the failure are failure as motors that this important message is not getting through that they are, they're ignoring our calls. they are ignoring our demands and going on with the support for israel that i think we need to regroup. part of it is because, like i said, there's no parent, there's no organizational structure that supports the policy and cause and there's no real estate today that supports the cost, any cost. so we as citizens, we as constituents,

must make it clear to our elected officials that this will no longer stand. there will no longer be any tolerance from politicians, supports israel, but we'll have to leave it there. nico pallet is really american peace activist and author, thank you so much for being with us today. absolutely, thank you. so what's the bottom line? history shows it every big jump forward in peace. separates between palestinian and israeli leaders happened after violent clashes were many people died. but was this because each side realized that death and destruction is futile? know that's just not how the world works. it was because the palestine is real. conflict became strategically consequential when it grows and scale. it drags great powers into direct conflict, potentially, palestinians it is released can never reach a stable long term solution on their own. in my view. and i used to really hate that worn out phrase, the president brock obama and his secretary of state john kerry would say, we can't one piece more than they do. the truth is the exact opposite. if americans

and europeans, and maybe the turks and the chinese and other stakeholders, find a way to be better and more fear brokers, maybe they can compel piece. otherwise, western powers can keep turning a blind eye to this conflict. only forced to blast his way back into the world, the consciousness again and again and again. and that's the bottom line. the it does have been some fold. we cover every single one of these waiting on god. why would is real vent crossing is really deputy foreign minister. he thinks that the rules of the game has changed . i'm on israel steps is that it will certainly look at the lease of more of these captives. what you might have to your drugs. are you telling view is faulty? i you and experts on bias and wrong. well,

you have to do is look at the you in schools in gaza. beach while you're looking up . i'm, i am hearing something i said to be able to write the bar has to stay close to the story without a 0 water is life. but in palace, scott, it's an instrument of occupation with israel controlling the majority of palestinian water resources and destroying hundreds of sanitation structures. simians are being deprived of a universal human rights. people in power investigates with an isaac walter in palestine on a jersey the devastating strikes followed by through weak rescue because that's 1st responders know the mission could be the with until then. so humanity drives one day which

because of the civil defense which rescue mission. because just this is what it is like for palestinians and his radio occupied territories every day. as the year arbitrary security checks the day, the old deal, especially for young palestinian men you ask me for my ideas. how does to new say then not going out unless they have to to avoid arrest check points and harassment from angry is really odd. non side tells us he feels the situation has less than to palestinians. on sunday, he was chased by launch group. this is randy settlers want on his way to what? i think his rating supermarket, the security guard came over shouting about pointing a gun at my face and forced me to the ground. it was discrimination only because on

palestinians with formright groups quoting on his riley's to its height palestinians, they come across regardless of age palestinians. a worries that they'll be collectively punished more than they already have been. the . israel's bonding of gaza enters us 30th day palestinian hospital schools on refugee camps have a full bit of a standing here when 3 bombings have a carrier to 40 and another capitated fund with wire time. the del 5 is also.