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head of the are welcome to the program. i'm the clock. so israel is bombardments of dollars was knowledge with the 2nd month. more than 10000 palestinians have been killed. huge ways of the strip would be reduced to rubble is public. i think the grow is around the world of what some, according to genocide is around. it's facing something of a diplomatic backlash, south africa. and believe you have 7 relations with tel aviv other countries recalling their ambassador as an embassy stuff. this is seriously setting back as wells efforts in recent years to establish relations with many nations that boy goes with it for decades. so kindly, these diplomatic moods pressure in the us and as well as other western allies to push it to at least degree to a humanitarian sci fi. we'll be discussing this and more with, i guess shortly. the 1st this report from sergio for one month garza has been on the unrelenting attack. continuous strikes have

left a catastrophic trial of destruction. every basics office is either not functioning, overwhelmed hospitals, schools, mosques, charges, grocery stores, and bakeries have been reduced to rubble. more than 10000 people have been killed in some of his shop, his remarks, yet the head of the united nations has cooled again for sci fi and help for those under attack the, the policy. so the goals and indeed the international community, facing the immediate sense, fundamental responsibility to stop the human collective suffering and the medically expense humanitarian needs to gaza. is ro, is facing pressure to stop the strikes, not only from the highest ranks that the u. n. but also from nations around the

world, several countries have withdrawn their invests. it is from israel. and i did the mean assume this one better. that as soon as we pull them up because corners, bolivia was the fast country to set the ties south africa is the latest. we believe the nature of response by israel has become one of collective punishment which falls fully outside of the practice of international humanitarian and international human rights. as well as grind it to mazda constellation protests against is ralph warren garza being held around the world from to casa to washington, d. c. some countries have even seen the largest demonstrations of the israel students just weston allies, including the us, are coming on to increasing pressure to reevaluate that position on the will. so

can the bite and administration to suede as well, to at least agree to humanitarian c spa. sorry, go the inside story as well since the fighting began and does a 9 countries have recalled their on basset as old have costs of diplomatic relations with israel. and they took member to k has withdrawn it's on bus of the so his, israel's david jordan says the country is committing more crimes. south africa is the latest to joined the list. and bolivia was the 1st to complete the several times with his ro, incentives. decision was a condemnation, aggressive disproportionate is rainy, military offensive taking place in garza the . so let's bring in, i guess, today we'll start with diplomatic and political expertise and his level, but we haven't really had a lot. he is a full pockets, tony, and busted that to united kingdom. so united states and to the united nations in amman, jo, it and 90 is

a 4 by deputy prime minister and foreign minister in jordan. and in pretoria kelly bow ha, putting a professor of african politics at the university of south africa a. we'll welcome to interview joe to 90. i'd like to start with you. let's cut to the chase as a format for administer. you know, well, very well the machinations of diplomacy. so before we get to the nitty gritty of jordan's position, generally, how serious do you think that all these diplomatic withdrawals of israel showed israel when israel paid them as a warning wouldn't make any difference as to how they proceed. do you think of a function they are little bit concerned about them, but probably they will not just see with this cut on the government from continuing with the same uh with the same um genocide that it is now practicing so far. we just have the from nothing now that he is going to take care of all the

security and does that for an indefinite period of time. this is just a life with the multiple life, but the, another word for, for a quick occupation. and so therefore, instead of uh, allowing me, the 1st thing is to feed them to have their own state is now controlling more, more more, at least starting the occupations odessa, which is as late as the languish the end of the extra minutes the shuttle. so in a way of this is not going anywhere so far, and there is not the ends of the man's and the end, the united states, judging from the state must, which have been made by mister black and the state, the secretary of state. i'm not to encourage him that will we hear of course some changes. some terms are in euro bucksta, that is not the echo mean get another isn't anything with as soon as you get them. okay, i really how lucky your for my pocket. sonya besset to buchanan's united states and

to the un, again, you'd know very well how this all works, but do you sense a, a growing sense of discord in the global community? if you think we will see more ties being count, i think what we are witnessing right now is that the died of global opinion has moved decisively against israel and in sort of data to with the better students. i think there's several indicators of this one, but here we know that the majority of countries, in fact, for most of the tubs, voted for the seas fide into your engine and assembly. so you can see that in the us and is right who oppose the resolution of, you know, they were defeated. second, uh, as you mentioned, more and more countries are separate, the ties with it's valued or recording that investors treat. i think another indicator is that the pro palestinian protest across the world just growing and

intensity. and then there is a momentum to that which is really quite unprecedented. and the fault indicator, i would say, offered this change, and the tide of a global opinion is that we have seen very strong statements from the 18 heads of the u. n. agencies and, and use that to have gord for a cease fire and have expressed shock and heart of at what is right is doing. so we are looking at the changing dynamic. you ordered this pressure, i think is necessary, but still not sufficient to dissuade the united states from its line support phase . right, right. so many i was just about to come to that because it is all very well talk about this change and i'm not making this type of global opinion, but well, israel has the us support many huh? and it's making the difference. i can just proceed as it was, it was, it seems that the only country that is right and would respond to this thing and i

did states. but i think the fact that victory blinking has been shuttling between various middle eastern countries shows that there is increasing body in the by net ministration. also, i think if you look at what's happening of the un security cancer, often 3 failed attempts to get to a resolution to which would be binding. there is a 4th attempt, as i speak now with the deadlock in the security council can be broken and not. we have to wait and see sofa. the green lock is the but the us is coming under increasing pressure. and instead the full of this pressure, diplomatic pressure is necessary, but still not sufficient. or i will explore that the situation that you and in the un security constant particular shortly. but let's get the view from south africa now from for the pretoria. kindly, by, at south africa, of course, a big, big international player and such a decision will not have come likely to withdraw the ambassador tell us about

the considerations that the top bras in south africa would have been a take into account as they made this decision they have quite a number of us fix or affect us let to. so that's because the view of withdrawing at subsidy is the question of increasing public protests, which we're seeing recently. buses, the a tax on these are the bike by homeless and of course the, the, the subsequent attacks by the east really mean these are your own guys or, and civilians. and so, and so that is the main thing that in my view has led us to this decision ripped by sold. i've forgotten things where they felt that they need to put out. but we mustn't forget that. so i'll come during the update you made me through to invite us from the african national congress from the pen up. you can use congress and

others petition movements were supported by the by the seniors and to that extent. so i think got, feels it very, very strong sense of started out with you with the policy means, especially the blacks off because we, on what these come doing. the fact that these also the size of a jewish population here, we should, or disney, you know, aside which we can easily. and the most important thing. ready is that in the, to pretty much, excuse me, where are we throwing in a bus or that, or even cutting different logic ties, sent, availability, seriousness. they just trouble message. and i think this is what this off against doing. also, not just for the guy, but in line with many african countries because the african union is also taking the signal, a strong position with the statement that they released from the city. suddenly condemning is that i as i'll take something doesn't do anything, but it's all the african nations will follow cigna do i think so, looking at the conditions or what sort of you can, would you think of a african nations will follow suit now?

yeah, absolutely. i think of the conditions when for a suit, a come into it, it must be said, you do the kid the up against i divided applicant, countryside divided what we'd consist like a is i'm be kind of like kidding. yeah. like gun now and come by probably sending the support thing is like, but we must not forget that it'd be this. it was such as this one is quite likely also to invoke what i would call the other part of the, you know, the way those countries looking at the, the economy and security interests. because these are the most important thing in one way or the other in terms of, you know, dealing with dr. needing so. and so i like you were afraid to like to see those based upon and leave you the siding with these that i but the majority in my view, in the model of your point seems to risk with the policy names because it is this because the secretary general, would you to say this issue is affordable to patient and in my view, i also want to stress that we must not forget that we keep talking about the

a table of ease. i don't guys are or the takes of how muscle when, when either way we forget big picture to this is the issue around the lives of policy needs to self determination, which seems to be for him over the radio. busy of age and there's no drawback into because the joe a jordan has acted decisively but few of our of nations have been quite so bold and it seems that many people on the street to calling for them to do so. do you think they may be more support and decisive action and something of ties from for well i, for world i was thankful i believe that they should. this is the time that they should because there is no way for the out of message which are really protesting and expecting more from their leaders to accept it. cut on step test. step this as, as, as, as seeing the, the beloved shift and the investigation and that may him,

which is that i is inflicting on the people of guest and also endorsement. and if they left this to continue in, there's a then it will probably be transferred to the west bank as well. and we will see a continuation of this argument as i think what we need to see from data be there's a lot of going to meet on the, for the summit meeting on the, the 11th of this month, very soon, 5 days from now. they should really make a decision that they should all take and that unless the decision to withdraw is that i'm best of those, whatever, haven't invested those about that it's pretty unlikely is if that's per down likely given the post the fact, well, this is what's the what's the point except now what are these people are going to respond to that or not lecturing? essentially, emily, how, what about the impact is still on?

it's been a lot of protests the to is we be showing on al jazeera, but the game not match by government action. yes, i think the public and bought this unexpected, a stronger response from the government. but i think the pro just demonstrations show so that the people sentiments in sort of data div with the fed as the names remains strong. and i think not all of the focuses on the meeting or the summit meeting that has been chord with focused on will also be present in areas of the organization of a stomach cooperation. so this is the largest muslim block. so we have to wait and see whether any actions emanate from this conference, or whether we're just going to hear a lot of condemnations and denunciations. so this is going to be a key piece of it. i'm a little surprised that it took a month for, for this to be conveyed, but then as they say better late than ever. so these are obviously all ways in which diplomatic pressure is being mounted primarily on the united states. so that

it begins to see that it's part of c. it's this function of policy in the middle east is going to bring much more grief to the region as witness to its own pharmacies in the region. because i think today the united states and many european countries confront a crisis of the credibility. 2 as a regional said, this is a crisis about humanity. and i think on that score, we've seen that the united states and many european countries have come up short. they have not shown the kind of compassion for the feelings that are going on in goes out that they really should have in the publics, or to expect them to do it kindly behind. it says, all this diplomatic pressure, and if it does build, if, if more nations several ties do you think it will yield in a thing? all we get to see it at least a challenge for a humanitarian pause. at least of nick, if i was thinking,

is it pretty much i would say poor b, this woods as he knows them and fix the situation positively and bring up all of some changes you had in there. but i like big as a student is going out of politics or political science. i get very bitter detected or disappointed. knowing that a this is almost like a tire in the music record. we have been here before, where by a text of this new job i am is this mission and off in the international community, tries power in the drive to do something. she's buying it and dish. and even though we'd people go to cost low. and then after they have a baby, they're signing up, they picked all the agreement, they just floated in the you just turn to strip. and rebecca, just, we're here. so i'm a beat, the peasant, you speak about what this would bring about. however, like i said, in my mind, in the uh, cooling this in my view will bring to bear subsea thought is sufficient or

effective. eh, pressure different much pressure. is it weight on the, is it any government as well as of yesterday, bring about 2 big pressure on those, you know, governmental countries that might be feeling that they want to stick on defense or at least the support is that i, because was there's a lot of noise that is happening at the united nations security, cancer, re and security and general assembly and other international platforms. when you bring in the, the european union and all the other countries. in my view we're, we're probably quite likely see, you know, a shift, but a shift to what's the solution? i am not so sure because there are other factors to consider was as doctors start talking about this more than one century, you know the conflict between these and, and palestine. this is joe, in your experience, is a top level politician. you've acted as far as actually writing the world,

and indeed, you know the region, of course very, very well. how does this crisis rank in terms of a global concern about how the war is being executed and where all this could lead to? well, there is a, as you, what are the other 2 locked? it does have said that there is a growing concerned then you will have pointing this out or over over the world. eventually somebody must be that they're not just space. of course i agree is the key is that key. busy faxed over in this equation, and i believe that they should exercise some pallet or however, we know that the president, by the end is tracing probably stuff up in elections the next november. and at the same time, he is looking good to the probably the interest of the united states that's of being thought to is or, and so in a way he is, has that them,

he's not taking any to any action. the structure of his cabinet, is there any way on this? the edge will come to this area? probably is very much by us, but and probably sorry. so i really think that to the and tell him that the pressure within the united states can really impact that if he is changed, that probably could lose some of the stage gain or keeps page or what record with me, my phone. strange days if they, if those stand against them, especially with that are up, i missed the majorities. i miss them. uh, so as minorities, then the problem, the he with the law school typically balance against them and especially on his, on his western mistakes or being out of space. and there them, he probably would not stand a chance of winning next november elections. so any way he must be reminded and he must be pressed the wrong in order to the category it, his mathematica is,

but it's kind of magic as opposed to numbers. and at the same time, uh, takes their like action to expect a member of the united nations who as being or the find many intermediary in the piece process to take care more of just and equitable approach to this problem. especially that we see what we see every day on television. and we have to stop also invoking the word genocide. and that's on the genocide. but the where, you know, this is an outside state and a my friend from south africa have done to that. the experienced, there is a deep sense of my many africa and there's that, you know, what's happening to them is happening to the student is. and there is a deep empathy here. and so therefore, nobody can question the right of it,

but it's the nest of drug test and to react to the equipment inflicting pain. that is, that is um and that doesn't seem to stop. busy right, and we are in $510.00, or whether they are resisting or whether they are accepting the more this is they, they, they do, they factual situation which is always the same thing on their minds. okay. so when you have new bio, you fold expressed dismay at the, the failure of the un security council melisha you have written about it. indeed at china currently has rotating chair of a year and security council at is that going to make any difference in these coming critical days? the way i think china would push very hard for the kind of resolution that the russians have proposed, which is, you know, was vetoed by the united states, which is a resolution calling for a cease fire. no, as i understand it, the 10 or the 10 elected non permanent members of the security cancer have put

a draft together, but that doesn't guard for us. he's fine, not as yet. it goes fully, photo humanitarian photos. so we're likely to see a video for intense negotiation in the days ahead because there is still no agreement between the, the chinese, the art of countries and the russian to board want sees for it. and the united states and its allies, some a full on, on permanent members. also, we still are talking about a short duration pause, which here is neither here nor there. because if anything temporary is not going to stop the fighting, it's not going to stop the blood shit. so i think the bush before a security council resolution from china, we will see, but whether that's enough for the united states to relent on its position. it's hard to talk to did right now. i can tell you, but why is the united states the resolution? it supports of israel. do you think it's, i think personally, because there is

a sizable majority of the jewish population, obviously after the holocaust in germany, in other places, fled to the united states and eventually ended up exercising significant influence in terms of 5, you know, following policy. maybe for an and domestic policy in the us. and to that extent of, you know, i to give this to that and kind of finding who is. however, having said that, we must also know that the, you know, stage one unknown to sign different much. he can buy the, you know, things that were obviously ensure that one stage one country, one nation, so forth, they either even when they are facing and what the other big might not feel. it'd be nice justifiable to define your want that and you know, do my thing based on what we never. so a, i agree with some of the dependent these to that to in this is regard. the u. s.

also is a very, very cheap player in a sense that it seems to have a better side or the vehicle for diesel. you know, if one was, was to use that phrase. but to it was, it depends on where the, the, for the game is willing to listen. because we know, you know, a case in the south african situation during the year when many within countries without putting an about page. and we had to assuming that situation whereby the corporate countries way in listening to them, i notice sheet about the government. and of course the, you know, these come game, the majority voices, all the african countries and other people in the african diaspora involvement. so to the extent, i believe that as the phrase has been mentioned above it, is that i or it would be very, very important for the user. i did the, the us and i, and he's allies in the 4th is of course to look at what he's about. he's doing it in terms of fine, you know, the international as human vice lo and then what,

how does quote genocide to find out where that he's actually just if i were to go to this extent, i know he's that i'm just talking about 32018 and then he moved, yeah, you said to him in to taking his right to defend himself, but also we cannot to have a humanitarian disaster is happening in this time and you're like, oh this century. forgetting that this happened during the times over here to human in the psyche during the convertible at job it, i just want to wind up the program with you. we've been talking a lot about the, the countless more than 10000 deaths that we've seen in gaza, but we haven't spoken of the, the fear of contagion of this. this was spreading throughout the region. that is, of course, very important considerations. a i believe that uh yes sir, and i believe that the longer this war stays the more it seems print to are the

reasons another. you cannot escape that check or international countries will be impacted by that. the whether the economy is going to be impacted by that and then some. so for 4 countries will start looking for opportunities to see how they can benefit from the situation of this is not so they're very nice with all the time and the water if it's continuously of course, it will spread and it will involve many of the countries and may end up with the, with the result that would probably be uncontrolled. and you can start to wal mart to come up probably finish it. and so therefore, we have to really talk to continue to war, reach as he's fired immediately, or just been on the about the indian or human, the human quoted. or there is just another way of saying that gives them softly. and the we need to have is these find where it gets them. scam have access

to their basic needs and the swap the rebuilding their own town. otherwise the whole region is going to be on fire. all right, with that will leave it to that. thank you. to all, i guess the many how lucky to joe, it a 90 and kindly behind my putting you. thank you very much you need and thank you too for watching. you can find this program any time just by visiting our website at out to 0 dot com for further discussion. just go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. or you could also join the conversation on x for me to handle is at ha, inside story for 1000000 o'clock in the whole team here. it's good bye. for now, the tom counting, the costs of the humanitarian catastrophe is the thing. will god ever get,

you know, a b one says is certainly billions of dollars and assistance to fix it. cycles economy lots can seem as protest against israel's will on gone. so with that one, it tells me what the cost on al jazeera, the

this is walter, a month of war, looks like s strikes, pound goes a 5th and nothing nice. this row says they'll be no c, spawn, or supplies of fuel. so if a mass released has its capital, the results and this is all just there are lots of flags on the gauze. this guy not as well as military says it's fighting depths of gauze, a city, and it's uh, clean the north residential buildings and the circle its actuation. 7 essential

goals and come on the fine. $10300.00 and spring ca, palestinians.