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have a very welcome to the program. i'm the clock. so israel is bombardments of dollars was knowledge with the 2nd month. more than 10000 palestinians have been killed. huge ways of the strip would be reduced to rubble. is public. i think the grow is around the world of what some, according to genocide is around. it's facing something of a diplomatic backlash, south africa and believe you have 7 relations with tel aviv other countries recording there on baset as an embassy stuff. this is seriously setting back as well as efforts in recent years to establish relations with many nations that boy because of it for decades. so kindly, these diplomatic moods pressure in the us and as well as other western allies to push it to at least degree to a humanitarian sci fi. we'll be discussing this and more with, i guess shortly. the 1st this report from sergio for one month garza has been on the unrelenting attack. continuous strikes have

left a catastrophic trial of destruction. every basics office is either not functioning, overwhelmed hospitals, schools, mosques, challenges, grocery stores, and bakeries have been reduced to rubble. more than 10000 people have been killed in some of his shop, his remarks, yet the head of the united nations has cooled again for sci fi and help for those under attack the, the policy. so the goals and indeed the international community, facing the immediate sense funds, the mental responsibility, to stop the human collective suffering and the medically expense humanitarian needs to gaza. is ro, is facing pressure to stop the strikes, not only from the highest ranks that the u. n. but also from nations around the

world, several countries have withdrawn their invest. that is from israel. now did data mean assume this one better? that as soon as we pull them up because corners bolivia was the fast country to set the ties south africa is the latest. we believe the nature of response by israel has become one of collective punishment which falls fully outside of the practice of international humanitarian and international human rights will, as well as grind it to mazda constellation protests against is ralph warren garza being held around the world from to casa, to washington, d. c. some countries have even seen the largest demonstrations of the israel student just weston allies, including the us, or coming on the increasing pressure to reevaluate that position on the wall. so

can the bite and administration persuade israel to at least agree to humanitarian see spa, sorry, go the inside story as well since the fighting began and does a 9 countries have recalled their on basset as old, have costs of diplomatic relations with israel? and they took member to k has withdrawn it's on bus of the so his, israel's david jordan says the country is committing more crimes. south africa is the latest to joined the list. and bolivia was the 1st to complete the several times with his ro, incentives. decision was a condemnation, aggressive disproportionate is rainy, military offensive taking place in garza the . so let's bring in, i guess, today we'll start with diplomatic and political expertise and his level. but we have emily low, he is a full pa, kasanya, and basset to united kingdom. so united states and to the united nations. and among jo, it and 90 is

a full my deputy prime minister and for administer in jordan. and in pretoria, kylie bo ha, putting a, a professor of african politics at the university of south africa a we'll welcome to interview joe to 90. i'd like to start with you. let's cut to the chase as a format for administer. you know, well, very well the machinations of diplomacy. so before we get to the nitty gritty of jordan's position, generally, how serious do you think the all these diplomatic withdrawals of israel showed israel will israel paid them as a warning when it make any difference as to how they proceed? do you think of what i'm saying? they are little bit concerned about them, but probably they will not just see with this cut on the government from continuing with the same uh with the same um genocide that it is now practicing so far. we just have the from nothing now that t is going to take care of all the security and get that for an indefinite period

of time. this is just a life with the multiple life, but the, another word for, for a quick occupation. and so therefore, instead of uh, allowing me, the 1st thing is the free them to have their own state is now controlling more, more more, at least starting the occupations odessa, which is a, is agency and then we spend the extra minutes the shuttle. so in a way, uh, this is not going anywhere so far, and there is not the end of the man's and the, and the united states, judging from the state must, which have been made by mister blanton as state the secretary of state. i'm not to encourage him that will we hear of course some changes. some terms are in euro bucksta, that is not the echo mean get another is anything with as soon as you get them. okay, i really how lucky your for my pocket. sonya besset to buchanan's united states and

to the un, again, you know very well how this all works, but do you sense a, a growing sense of discord in the global community? if you think we will see more ties being count, i think what we are witnessing right now is that the died of global opinion has moved decisively against israel and in sort of data to with the better students. i think there's several indicators of this one. so here we know that the majority of countries, in fact, for most of the tubs, voted for the seas fide into your engine and assembly. so you can see that in the us and these right who oppose the resolution of, you know, they were defeated. second uh, as you mentioned more and more countries are separate, the ties with it's valued or recording that investors treat. i think another indicator is that the pro palestinian protest across the world just growing and

intensity. and then there is a momentum to that which is really quite unprecedented. and the fault indicator, i would say, offered this change. and the type of a global opinion is that we have seen very strong statements from the 18 heads of the u. n. agencies and, and use that to have gord for a cease fire and have expressed shock and heart of at what is right is doing. so we are looking at the changing dynamic, you ordered this pressure to i think is necessary, but still not sufficient to dissuade the united states from its line support phase . right, right. so many i was just about to come to that because it is all very well talk about this change and i'm not making this type of global opinion, but well, israel has the us support many huh? and it's making the difference that can just proceed. is it wish it was? it seems that the only country that is right and would respond to this thing united

states. but i think the fact that victory blinking has been shuttling between various middle eastern countries shows that there is increasing body in the bike and administration also. i think if you look at what's happening of the un security cancer, often 3 failed attempts to get to a resolution to which would be binding. there is a 4th attempt, as i speak now with the deadlock in the security council can be broken and not. we have to wait and see sofa. the green lock is the but the us is coming under increasing pressure. and instead the full of this pressure, diplomatic pressure is necessary, but still not sufficient. or i will explore the, the situation that you had in the un security council in particular shortly. but let's get the view from south africa now from prince pretoria, kindly, but ha, at south africa, of course, a big, big international player and such a decision will not have come likely to withdraw the ambassador tell us about

the considerations that the top bras in south africa would have been a take into account as they made this decision they have quite a number of us fix or affect us let to. so that's because the view of we throwing at subsidy is the question of increasing public protests, which we have seen recently. buses, the a tax on these are the bike by homeless and of course the, the big, the subsequent attacks by the east really mean these are your own guys or, and civilians. and so, and so that is the main thing that in my view has led us to this decision ripped by sold. i've forgotten things where they felt that they need to put out. but we mustn't forget that. so i'll come during the update you made me through to invite us from the african national congress from the pen up. you can use congress and

others petition movements were supported by the by the seniors and to that extent. so i think got, feels it very, very strong sense of the 2 with the policy means, especially the blacks off because we, on what these come doing. the fact that these also the size of a jewish population here, we should, or disney, you know, aside which we can easily. and the most important thing. ready is that in the to promote dispute? where are we throwing in a bus or the, or even cutting different logic ties sent if it'd be serious and if they just trouble message. and i think this is what this off against doing. also, not just for the, for the guy, but in line with many african countries because the african union is also taking the signal, a strong position with the statement that they released from the city. certainly condemning is that i as i'll take something doesn't do anything, but it's all the african nations will follow cigna do i think so often and the conditions are what sort of you can use or you think of a african nations will follow suit. now i absolutely,

i think of the conditions when for a suit, a coming to it must be said, you do the kid the up against i divided applicant, countryside divided what we'd consist like a is i'm be kind of like kidding. yeah. like gun now and come by probably sending the support thing is like, but we must not forget that it'd be this. it was such as this one is quite likely also to invoke what i would call the other part of the, you know, the way those countries looking at the, the economy and security interests. because these are the most important thing in one way or the other in terms of, you know, dealing with dr. needing so. and so i like you were afraid to like to see those based upon and really do the siding with these that i but the majority, in my view, in the model of your point seems to risk with the policy names because it is because the secretary general would you to say this issue is affordable to patient? and in my view, i also want to stress that we must not forget that we keep talking about the type

of ease i don't guys are, or the techs or how much the when, when, either way, we forget big picture to this is the issue around the lives of policy needs to self determination which seems to be for him over there made up. busy of age and there's no trouble that came to you because the joe a jordan has acted decisively, but few of the arab nations have been quite so bold and it seems that many people on the street to calling for them to do so. do you think they may yet be more support and decisive action and setting of ties from for well i, for world i was thankful i believe that they should. this is the time that they should because there is no way for the out of message which are really protesting and expecting more from their leaders to accept it. cut on step test. step this as, as, as, as seeing the, the beloved shift and the investigation and that may him,

which is that i is inflicting on the people of guest and also endorsement. and if they left this to continue in, there's a then it will probably be transferred to the west bank as well. and we will see a continuation of this argument as i think what we need to see from data be there's a lot of going to meet on the, for the summit meeting on the, the 11th of this month. but very soon, 5 days from now. they should really make a decision that they should all take and that unless the decision to withdraw is that i'm best of those, whatever, haven't invested those about the unlikely is if that's per down. likely, given the post the fact, well, this is what's the, what's the point, except now what are these people are going to respond to that or not lecturing? essentially, emily, how, what about the impact is done?

it's been a lot of protests the to is we be showing on al jazeera, but the game not match by government action. yes, i think the public and bought this unexpected, a stronger response from the government. but i think the pro just demonstrations show so that the people sentiment in sort of data div with the better stand ends remains strong. and i think not all of the focuses on the meeting or the summit meeting that has been cord with focused on will also be present in areas of the organization of a stomach cooperation. so this is the largest muslim block. so we have to wait and see whether any actions emanate from this conference, or whether we're just going to hear a lot of condemnations and denunciations. so this is going to be a key piece of it. i'm a little surprised that it took a month for, for this to be conveyed, but then as they say better late than ever. so these are obviously all ways in which diplomatic pressure is being mounted primarily on the united states. so that

it begins to see that it's part of c. it's this function of policy in the middle east is going to bring much more grief to the region as well as to its own pharmacies in the region. because i think today the united states and many european countries confront a crisis of the credibility of the sex regional said this is a crisis about humanity. and i think on that score. but we've seen that the united states and many european countries have come up short. they have not shown the kind of compassion for the feelings that are going on in goes out that they really should have in the publics, or to expect them to do it kindly behind. it says, all this diplomatic pressure, and if it does build, if, if more nations several ties do you think it will yield in a thing? all we get to see it at least a challenge for a humanitarian pause. at least of nick, if i was thinking,

is it pretty much i would say poor b, this woods as he knows them and fix the situation positively and bring up all of some changes you had in there. but i like big as a student is going out of politics or political science. i get very bitter detected or disappointed. knowing that a this is almost like a tire in the music record. we have been here before where by a text of this new job i am is this mission. i, you know, us in the international community tries power in the try to do something. she's fine. you didn't dish. and even though we'd people go to cost low and then after they have a baby, they're signing up, they picked or the agreement they just floated in the you just turn to strip. and rebecca just, we're here. so i'm a big to, um, and present me speak about what this would bring about. however, like i said in my, my area comans, this in my view will bring to bear subsea thought

a sufficient or effective eh, pressure, different monthly pressure. is it way on the, is it any government as well as of yesterday, bring about to bed pressure on those, you know, governmental countries that might be feeling that they want to stick on defense or at least the support is that i because was there's a lot of noise that is happening at the united nations security, cancer, re and security and general assembly and other international platforms. when you bring in the, the european union and all the other countries in mind, you will probably quite likely see, you know, a shift, but a shift to what's the solution. i am not so sure because there are other factors to consider was as doctors start talking about this more than one century, you know the conflict between these and, and palestine. this is joe, in your experience, is a top level politician. you've acted as far as actually writing the world,

and indeed, you know the region, of course very, very well. how does this crisis rank in terms of a global concern about how the war is being executed and where all this could lead to? well that is a, as the to the lock because that said that there is a growing concerned then you have pointing this out over over the world. eventually somebody must be that they're not just space. of course i agree is that the is that key. busy faxed or in this equation, and i believe that they should exercise some followed or however you know that the president biden is tracing probably stuff up in elections the next november. and at the same time, he is looking good to the probably the interest of the united states that are being talked to is or and so in a way, uh he is, has them,

he's. busy not taking any to any action, the structure of his cabinet. is there any way on this? the edge will come to this area? probably is very much by us, but i'm probably sorry. so i really think that to the intent of the pressure within the united states can really impact that if he is change, that probably could lose some of the stage keen, or keeps page or what record wasn't me. my phone, the strange days, if they, if last stand against them, especially with the up i missed the majorities. i miss them. uh, so as minorities, then the problem, the he with the law school typically balance against him and especially in southern midwest, them mistakes of the not space and the them, he probably would not stand the chance of winning next november elections. so any way you must be reminded and the must be pressed the wrong in order to the category

it, his mathematica is, but it's kind of magic as opposed to numbers. and at the same time, uh, takes their like action to expect a member of the united nations who as being in the fine muddy intermediary in the peace process to take a more just and equitable approach to this problem. especially that we see what we see every day on television. and we have to start also invoking the word genocide. and that's on the genocide. but the way that, you know, this is in an aside state and a, my friend from south africa have done to that experience. there is a deep sense of my, many africa. and there's that the, you know, what's happening to them is happening because they've been staying is, and there is a deep embassy here. and so therefore, nobody can question the right to fit better. student has to drug test and to react

to that equipment inflicting pain. that is, that is um and that doesn't seem to stop the right. and we are in $510.00 or whether they are resisting. ringback or whether they are accepting the motors, are they, they, they do the factual situation, which is why is dictating on their minds. okay. so when you have people you fold expressed dismay at the, the failure of the un security council melisha, you have written about it. indeed at china currently has rotating chair of a un security council at is that going to make any difference in these coming critical days? the way, i think china would push very hard for the kind of resolution that the russians had proposed, which is, you know, was vetoed by the united states, which is a resolution calling for a cease fire. now as i understand it, the 10 or the 10 elected non permanent members of the security council have put

a draft together. but that doesn't guard for us, he's fine, not as yet. it goes fully, photo humanitarian photos. so we're likely to see a video for intense negotiation in the days ahead because there is still no agreement between the, the chinese, the art of countries and the russian to board want sees for it. and the united states and its allies, some a full on, on permanent members. also, we still are talking about a short duration, a pause, which here is neither here nor there. because if anything temporary is not going to stop the fighting, it's not going to stop the blood shit. so i think the bush a for a security council resolution from china, we will see. but whether that's enough for the united states to relent on exposition of it, talk to it, talk to did right now, i can tell you, but why is the united states the resolution? it supports of israel. do you think it's, i think personally, because there is

a sizable majority of the jewish population, obviously after the holocaust in germany, in other places, fled to the united states and eventually ended up exercising significant influence in terms of 54 and 40. see maybe for an and domestic policy in the us and to that extent of, you know, i to give this to that and kind of finding who is. however, having said that, we must also know that the, you know, stage one unknown to sign the pro logic. and by the fact that we're obviously ensure that one stage, one country, one nation, so forth, they either even when they are facing and what the other state might not feel, it'd be nice justifiable to define your want that and you know, do my thing based on what we never, so a, i agree with some of the dependent these to that to in this is regard. b,

u. s. also is a very, very cheap player in a sense that it seems to have a better side or the e o for diesel. you know, if one was, was to use that, that phrase. but to it was, it depends on where the, the, for the game is willing to listen. because we know, you know, a case in the south african situation during the year when many within countries without putting an about page. and we had to assuming that situation whereby the corporate countries way in listening to them, i notice sheet about the government. and of course the, you know, these come game, the majority voices, all the african countries and other people in the african diaspora involvement. so to the extent, i believe that as the phrase has been mentioned above that is that i or it would be very, very important for the user id the us and i and it's allies in the 4th is of course to look at what these are that he's doing anything to him so fine, you know, the international as human vice low in the what,

how does the quote genocide to find out where that he's actually just if i were to go to this extent, i know he's that i'm just talking about the return the aging and that, you know, yeah, you said to him in to taking his right to defend itself. but also we cannot to have a humanitarian disaster is happening in this time and you're like, oh, this century. forgetting that this happened during the times over here to human in the psyche during the convertible at job it, i just want to wind up the program with you. we've been talking a lot about the, the countless more than 10000 deaths that we've seen in gaza, but we haven't spoken of the, the fear of contagion of this. this was spreading throughout the region. that is, of course, a very important consideration since a i believe that uh yes sir. i believe that uh, the longer this war stays the more it seems print reasons another. you cannot

escape that check. uh, international countries would be impacted by that. the, the economy is going to be impacted by that. and then some so far for countries will start looking for opportunities to see how they can benefit from the situation of this is not for betty mice with all the time and the water if it's continuously of course it will spread and it will involve many of the countries and may end up with the, with the result that would probably be uncontrolled. and you can start to wal mart to come up probably finish it. and so therefore, we have to really talk to contain the war reach as he's fired immediately, or just been on the about the indian or human, the human quoted. or there is just another way of saying that gives them softly. and the we need to have is these find where it gets them. scam have access

to their basic needs and the swap, the rebuilding their own town. otherwise the whole region is going to be on fire. all right, we're that will leave it to that. thank you. to all, i guess the many how lucky to joe with a 90 and kindly behind my food, the thank you very much you need and thank you to for watching. you can find this program any time just by visiting our website at delta 0 dot com for further discussion. just go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. or you could also join the conversation on x for me with a i'll handle is at a j inside story for 1000000 o'clock in the whole team. here, it's good bye for now. the as the gabriel garza continues, we bring you the latest reactions and global our experience

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