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the industry 1400000 people despite the we're just that that we're sure community and goals are being targeted. no one saves your everyone in the global outrage of the war. busy on dollars is growing mass because of the devastation of putting countries under pressure to act against israel. some of already announced a breaking off diplomatic relations. so will this pressure, the us and israel is all the western allies to reconsider the support for the will . this is inside story the
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how does that welcome to the program? i'm the clock. so israel is bombardments of dollars was knowledge with the 2nd month. more than 10000 palestinians have been killed. huge ways of the strip it'd be reduced to rubble is public. i think the grow is around the world of what some, according to genocide is around. it's facing something of a diplomatic backlash. south africa in bolivia, have 7 relations with 10 of these other countries, recording their and bassett as an embassy stuff. this is seriously setting back as well as efforts in recent years to establish relations with many nations that boy because of it for decades. so kind of these diplomatic moods pressure the us and as well as other western allies to push it to at least degree to a humanitarian sci fi. we'll be discussing this and more with, i guess shortly. the 1st this report from sergio for one month garza has been on the unrelenting attack. continuous strikes have
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left the catastrophic trial of destruction. every basics office is either not functioning, who overwhelmed hospitals, schools, mosques, challenges, grocery stores, and bakeries have been reduced to rubble. more than 10000 people have been killed in some of his shop, his remarks, yet, the head of the united nations has cooled again for c spa and help for those under attack. the party, so the cold. and indeed, the international community facing immediate sense funds, the mental responsibility to stop the human collect the suffering and the medically expense humanitarian needs to gaza. is ro, is facing pressure to stop the strikes, not only from the highest ranks that the u. n. but also from nations around the
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world, several countries have withdrawal and are invested is from israel. now that i mean, assume this on bells and as soon as diploma, because school is bolivia, was the fast country to set the ties south africa is the latest. we believe the nature of response by israel has become one of collective punishment which falls fully outside of the practice of international humanitarian and international human rights. as well as growing diplomatic isolation protests against is ralph warren garza being held around the world from chickasha to washington dc. some countries have even seen the largest demonstrations as a israel student just weston allies, including the us, are coming on to increasing pressure to reevaluate that position on the wall. so
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can the bite and administration persuade as well to at least agree to humanitarian c spa? sorry, go the inside story as well, since the fighting the dining does a 9 countries have recalled their i'm baset is old, have costs of diplomatic relations with israel and they took member to k has withdrawn. it's unbelievable. so his, israel's david jordan says the country is committing more crimes. south africa is the latest to joined the list. and bolivia was the 1st to complete the several times with his ro, it said his decision was a condemnation via aggressive. disproportionate is rainy, military offensive taking place in garza the. so let's bring in, i guess today we'll start with diplomatic and political expertise and his level, but we have a really low. he is a full, my park is telling me i'm busted that to united kingdom. so united states and to the united nations in amman, jo, it and 90 is
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a full my deputy prime minister and foreign minister in jordan. and in pretoria, kylie bo ha, putting a, a professor of african politics at the university of south africa a we'll welcome to interview joe to 90. i'd like to start with you. let's cut to the chase. is a full month for administer. you know, well, very well the machinations of diplomacy. so before we get to the nitty gritty of jordan's position, generally, how serious do you think that all these diplomatic withdrawals of israel should israel will israel paid them as a warning? i wouldn't make any difference as to how they proceed. do you think i a function, they are little bit concerned about them, but probably they will not just see with this cut on the government from continuing with the same uh with the same um genocide that it is now practicing so far. we just have the from nothing now that he is going to take care of all the
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security and gets that for an indefinite period of time. this is just a life with the multiple life, but the, another word for, for a quick occupation. and so therefore, instead of uh, allowing me, the 1st thing is the free them to have their own state is now controlling more, more, more as he's starting the occupations odessa, which is a sorry, just the language, the end of the x for our minutes, the shuttle so in a way of this is not going anywhere so far, and there is not the ends of the man's and the end, the united states, judging from the state must, which have been made by mister blanton as state the secretary of state. i'm not to encourage him, that's all we had. of course some changes. some terms are in euro bucksta. that is not the echo mean get another is anything, was easy to get them. okay, i really how lucky your for my pocket. sonya besset to buchanan's united states and
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to the u. n. again, you know very well how this all works, but do you sense a, a growing sense of discord in the global community? if you think we will see more ties being count, i think what we are witnessing right now is that the died of global opinion has moved decisively against is right. and in sort of data with the better students. i think they're several indicators of this one. so here we know that the majority of countries, in fact, for most of the tubs, voted for the seas, fight in the u engine and assembly. so you can see that in the us and these right who oppose the resolution. you know, they were defeated. second uh, as you mentioned more and more countries are separate, that ties with it's valued or recording that investors treat. i think another indicator is that the pro palestinian protest across the world just growing and
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intensity. and then there is a momentum to that which is really quite unprecedented. and the fault indicator i would say, offered this change in the tide of the global opinion, is that we have seen very strong statements from the 18 heads of the u. n. agencies and, and use that to have gord for a cease fire and have expressed shock and heart of at what is right is doing. so we are looking at the changing dynamic. you ordered this pressure, i think is necessary, but still not sufficient to dissuade the united states from its line support phase . right, right. so many i was just about to come to that because it is all very well talk about this change and i'm not making this type of global opinion, but well, israel has the us support many huh? it doesn't make any difference. it can just proceed. is it wish it was? it seems that the only country that is right would respond to this thing and i did
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states. but i think the fact that victory blinking has been shuttling between various middle eastern countries shows that there is increasing buddy in the by net ministration. also, i think if you look at what's happening of the un security cancer, often 3 failed attempts to get a resolution to which would be binding. there is a 4th attempt as i speak. now, whether the deadlock in the security council can be broken or not. we have to wait and see sofa, the gridlock is the but the us is coming under increasing pressure and a step before this pressure, diplomatic pressure is necessary, but still not sufficient. or i will explore the, the situation to you and in the un security council in particular shortly. but let's get the view from south africa now from france pretoria, kindly, by at south africa. of course, a big, big international player and such a decision will not have come likely to withdraw the ambassador tell us about
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the considerations that the top bras in south africa would have been taking into account as they made this decision. they have quite a number of us stakes affect us that let to so that's because the view of we throwing at subsidy is the question of increasing public protests which we have seen recently. they buses the a tax on these live by, by homeless. and of course the of the subsequent attacks by the east really mean these are your own guys, a and civilians. and so, and so that is the main thing that in my view has led us to this decision ripped by sold. i've forgotten things where they felt that they need to put out, but we mustn't forget that. so i'll come during the update you made me through to invite us from the african national congress from the pen up. we can use congress
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and others, but as you movements were supported by the publish the news and to that extent. so i've got fuse. it very, very strong sense of started out with you with the policy means, especially the blacks off because we, on what these come doing. the fact that these also the size of a jewish population here, we should, or disney, you know, aside which we can easily. and the most important thing. ready is that in the to pretty much excuse with withdrawing in both of them or even cutting different logic ties, sent, availability, seriousness. they just trouble message. and i think this is what this off against doing. also, not just for the, for the guy, but in line with many african countries because the african union is also taking the single strong position with the statement that they released from the city. suddenly condemning is that i have to take something doesn't do anything, but it's all the african nations will follow cigna i do, i think so, looking at the conditions or what sort of you can, would you think of a african nations will follow suit now?
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yeah, absolutely. i think of the conditions when for a suit, a come into it must be said, you do the kid the up against i divided applicant, countryside divided. what we'd consist of like a is i'm be kind of like kidding. yeah. like gun uh and combine republic seemingly supporting is like, but we must not forget that it'd be this. it was such as this one is quite likely also to invoke what i would call the other part of the, you know, the way those countries looking at the, the economy. again, security interests because these are the most important thing in one way or the other in terms of, you know, dealing with dr. needing so and so probably like you were afraid to like to see those based upon injury deciding which is what i but the majority in my view in the model of your point seems to risk with the policy names because it is this because the secretary jennifer i want you to say this issue is affordable to patient and in my view, i also want to stress that we must not forget that we keep talking about the table
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he's, i don't guys are, or the techs will pa muscle when, when, either way we forget big picture of this is the issue around the analyze all policy needs to self determination, which seems to be for him over there. you go. busy all the information i go back in to you because the joe a jordan has acted decisively, but few of our of nations have been quite so bold and it seems that many people on the street to calling for them to do so. do you think they may yet be more support and decisive action and setting of ties from, from all of our world? i was thankful i believe that they should. this is the time that they should because there is no waiting for the message which are really protesting and expecting more from their leaders to accept, to cut on status status as, as is seeing the, the beloved shift and the investigation. and that may him,
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which is why is it inflicting on the people of gas and also endorsement. and if they lift this to continue in, there's a then it would probably be faster to the west bank as well. and we will see a continuation of this ugliness. i think what we need to see from the out of me there's a lot of going to meet on the, for the summit meeting on the, the 11th of this month. very soon, 5 days from now. they should really make a decision that they should all take and that it must the decision to withdraw that on both of those. whoever haven't invested those are that nice, pretty unlikely is that's pretty unlikely given the possible fact. well, this is what the, what's the point, except now what are these people are going to respond to that or not the listing? essentially, emily, what about the impact is still on?
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it's been a lot of protests the to is we be showing on how to 0, but the game not match by government action. yes, i think the, the public and buckets unexpected a stronger response from the government. but i think the protest demonstrations show so that the people sentiment in sort of data deal with the fed as the names remains strong. and i think not all of the focuses on the meeting or the summit meeting that has been cord we have focused on will also be present in areas of the organization of a stomach cooperation. so this is the largest muslim block. so we have to wait and see whether any actions emanate from this conference, or whether we're just going to hear a lot of condemnations and denunciations. so this is going to be a key piece of it. i'm a little surprised that it took a month for, for this to be conveyed, but then as they say better late than ever. so these are obviously all ways in which diplomatic pressure is being mounted primarily on the united states. so that
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it begins to see that it's part of c, it's dysfunctional policy in the middle east is going to bring much more grief to the region as witness to its own bonuses in the region. because i think today the united states and many european countries confront a crisis of the credibility of the sex regional said this is a crisis about humanity. and i think on that score. but we've seen that the united states and many european countries have come up short. they have not shown the kind of compassion for the feelings that are going on in goes out that they really should have in the publics, or to expect them to do it kindly behind. it says, all this diplomatic pressure, and if it does build, if, if more nations 7th ties do you think it will yield anything? all we get to see it at least a challenge for a humanitarian pause, at least of nick if i was thinking,
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is it pretty much i would say for be this woods as he knows them and fix the situation positively and bring up all of some changes you had in there, but i like big as a student is going out of politics or what do you think are signs? i get very, very dejected or disappointed knowing bits and this is almost like a tire in the music record. we have been here before where by a text of this new job i am as a business that you know us in the international community tries the we're watching, i'll just say that we're going to take you to tokyo for us, secretary of state. and to me, blinking is speaking of the g 7 photo ministers springs in this role as the steering committee of the world's advanced democracies. demonstrating unprecedented unity of purpose. and unity of action on the issues
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that are defining the 21st century. and at another moment of intense challenge for the free world, our security and our values. g 7, unity is stronger. and more important than ever. our 1st focus here in tokyo was the crisis in the middle east. yesterday evening, i had an opportunity to refund collies. i travel through the region as well as expensive engagements by present button and our entire national security team. the juice of ministers reaffirmed our strong support for israel's right and obligation to defend itself and seek to ensure the attacks of october 7th can never happen again. in accordance with the international demand train law, as we had end up discussions about the steps that we are taking to address urgent needs on the ground, we all agree that you might have trained pauses with advanced key objectives to protect costing civilians to increase the sustained flow of humanitarian assistance
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to allow our citizens and foreign nationals to exit and facilitate the release of hostages. i've read my colleagues about my conversations with his really leaders on pauses and on concrete steps to minimize harm to 1000 civilians and gaza. and to stop extreme as violence in the west bank. israel has repeatedly told us that there is no going back to october 6 before the bar brack attacks by him us. we fully agree as we work at his job to ensure this. we also are working in the region to the, to our broader threats to our partners and to our friends. as the president said, to anyone seeking to take advantage of the crisis and gaza and spread conflict to other theaters. don't all of us want to end this conflict as soon as possible, and meanwhile, to minimize civilian suffering. but as i discussed with my g 7 colleagues, those calling for an immediate cease fire, have an obligation to explain how to address the unacceptable result. it would
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likely bring about from us left in place with more than $200.00 hostages with a capacity and stated in 10 to repeat october 7th again and again. and again. ultimately, the only way to ensure that this crisis never happens again, is to begin setting the conditions for durable peace and security, and to frame or diplomatic efforts. now, with that in mind, the united states believes elements should include no forcible displacement. the palestinians from does not now, not after the war snow use a gas as a platform for terrorism or other violent attacks. no react to patient of guys after the conflict, hence, no attempt to blockade or besiege guys or no reduction in the territory of god. we must also ensure no terrorist threats can emanate from the west bank. we must also work on the firm of developments to get to
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a sustain piece. these must include the pallets then and people's voices and aspirations at the center, a post crisis, governance and gas. it must include posting and like governance and gas that unified with the west bank under the palestinian authority. and it must include a sustain mechanism for reconstruction and gaza and a pathway to israelis and palestinians, living side by side and states of their own with equal measures of security, freedom, opportunity, integrity. even as we focus intensely on addressing these are some challenges. we believe at the time is now to start the conversation about the future, not tomorrow, not after the war today. because i done to find a longer term objectives and a pathway to get there will help shape or approach to addressing immediate needs. i know it's hard to look ahead in this moment. it is the a with terrorist it. so k us to destroy hope, to destroy lives,
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and through human despair grow their ranks and hijacked the political future, the palestinians. we cannot, and we will not let them succeed. today, we also focused on our enduring support for ukraine. the g 7 has let the world in galvanizing sustaining that support. and as we told fine, mr clay, but today ukraine can count on us to what you create on a solid foundation for the next year. we must help ukraine do 4 things at once. first, keep fighting to win back its territory. the 2nd build a world class military force to ensure the maximum determines for the long term and make clear to present food. but he cannot or will not outlast ukraine, and he cannot and will not outlast all of your friends. supporters. 28 countries that made concrete commitments to join us in this effort of building a ukrainian fighting force for the future. 3rd kick started economic recovery and growth and bring more hope more opportunity to the training people and forth
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accelerate the reform process to speed ukraine's past with european union and to attract investment. all of these steps are designed to help you train stand strongly on its own 2 feet. we also discussed at length in the pacific and steps were taken together to contend with challenges to our shared vision of a free open, prosper, secure, and resilient region. we spoke about the archie, we read on the importance of working constructively on shared challenges, but also being clear and direct with china on our differences will continue to do risk our economies to strengthen our resilience, to push back on economic course will also continue to stand up to china over its actions in the south and east trying to seize. we, of course, oppose unilateral or course of efforts to change the status quo as i want. our conversation today demonstrated an unprecedented degree of alignment among the g 7 on our approach to china. we also discussed the dpr case, provocative actions,
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initial launches, and dangerous dpr. k. rush at military cooperation were deeply concerned about what rushes providing for young young in return for the weapons and munitions that it's getting from. john young will continue to push for the full implementation of all relevant un security council resolutions and commitments to uphold the global nonproliferation order. a major theme throughout our meetings was how we can leverage our full economic, political and development stripe to deepen ties of developing countries and deliver for people around the world or through the partnership for global infrastructure investment. we're mobilizing 600000000 dollars in high quality transparent infrastructure projects worldwide. by 2027. we're locking hundreds of billions into the capacity for the world bank, the international monetary fund for things like climate resilience, public health, and other key priorities. we're also working to shape a more inclusive international system supporting reform,
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the one security council making the international financial system more responsive to the needs of low and middle income countries. bringing more voices to the table here at the g 7. as for example, studies meeting with central asian partners later today, i'll travel through republic, a 3 and then on to india to our most important partners in the, in the pacific even is we're engaged intensively on the urgent challenges. at this moment, the united states remains focused on advancing interest, the american people in every part of the world on issues that matter in their lives . at this inflection point in the struggle to protect the international order, we are standing strong for our vision of a more free, secure, open and prosperous world. and we do not stand alone as we build extraordinary coalitions with allies and partners who carry their share of the burden. and we leave this g 7 meeting stronger and more united in meeting the challenges of today . thank you. with that,
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we'll take some questions. first question goes according to courtney mcbride with bloomberg. thank you mister secretary and is really prime minister. netanyahu said that his government would maintain security control of gaza for, quote, an indefinite period and quote, how do you reconcile the those comments to previous statements by both of us and as rarely, governments, uh, posing a reactive patient process. and then you address this a bit, but as others you 7 members have expressed support for a full ceasefire in the israel. how much for while the rest continues to support, just use to mandatory and pauses. and i'm just wondering, did you convince the other members of the us position or is this a joint statement language just the this was minimal consensus area. thank you. thank support. so i think we've been very clear from day one that when it comes to post conflict, governance and guys a few things are, are clear, a necessary one. uh guys that cannot be, can continue to be run by a moss. that simply invites repetition of october 7th. and
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does it use as a place from which to launch terrorist attacks? it's also clear that israel cannot occupied 1000 so now the reality is that there may be a need for some transition period. at the end of the conflict, but it is imperative that in the past and people of the central to, to governance in, in gaza and in the west bank as well. and that again, we don't see a re occupation. and what i've heard from is really leaders is that they have no intent to we occupied houses and re take control guys. so the only question is, are the, is there some transition period that might be necessary? and what might be the mechanisms that you could put in place for that to make sure that there is security. but we're very clear on no re occupation just as we're very clear on no displacement of the posts in the population. and as
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of, as we said before, we need to see and get to in effect, unity of governance when it comes to gaza and the west bank and ultimately to uh, to across the state. uh, when it comes to the the g 7 statement and particularly with regard to the question of ceasefire, actually we found really unity in the g 7 on in this moment on that question, i think the communicate very accurately reflects what we were discussing and what the g 7 partners, i believe for the next question. so sucky akiko with tv tokyo of the thank you for the opportunity and thank you for coming to japan. so you meant to be striving me and if the gc that i used today and what those could
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depend today in the conflict in the middle east and puppies, expectation of japan in this company. and also can of these for you other events be the days between is today and garza and then so what do you think is the final goal of this conflict? thank you. the 1st uh i was uh, very appreciative of um, being able to see prime is because she to, uh and of course to spend time extensive time with uh, with a foreign minister. uh and i can tell you 1st we very much appreciate the japans engagement in helping to deal with a conflict between israel and a mouse and the situation and, and gaza. i very much welcome to the foreign ministers trip to the region, which was important, as well as her unequivocal condemnation of tear the call for the release of hostages and the announcement by japan of 75000000 dollars and humanitarian
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assistance. we had a very productive discussion with foreign minister and i about important vital issues like what needs to be done to minimize civilian casualties, to increase the flow even more of the amount of trans assistance into gaza. and to prevent the spread of the conflict to 2 other places. and i think the united states and japan are very clearly aligned on what needs to be done. and what we're working to do do together as um, as i said earlier in terms of the future, i think there are few very basic things that everyone would want to achieve. one is that there can't be a return to the situation. the status quote before october 7th square guys, it can be used as a platform to launch the most terrific terrorist attacks that anyone can imagine. and at the same time it's vitally important that.

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