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hello there. i am james bays, palestinians in gaza, leading their lives moment to moment. not sure if they'll survive is really a tax if that will be able to eat, to access medical treatment for family members injured into bombardment in the middle of this brutal presence. some world leaders have already begun discussing the future once the war is over. the us secretary of state says they'll be no place for hamas, nor county israel re occupied the strip that's coming straight to what these riley prime minister is saying. benjamin netanyahu has declared israel will be responsible for gauze and security for an indefinite period off to the war. why did somebody disappear more concerned about who will govern goddess at once? the bloodshed is over. we'll discuss this with our panel of guessing a moment. but 1st, this report from poking the palestinians in gone, so have a few options. if they stay in the homes, they risk being bombed. if they seek shelter in a hospital or united nations facility,

they risk being palmed. if they leave and travel south where these radio army says it's safe, they risk being bombed on the road. and if they do make it to one of the informal settlements that sprung up in the south of the strip, they are a risk of being formed the 2 online and then may all protect this. because under the circumstances, those who want us to lead me to have the results has to do that is if they've sentenced us today. then this the strength of the rules that is really soldiers and palestinian fighters, engaged in fis, bottles on the streets of northern garza, including in garza city the whole shows no sign of ending. you have to meet the death and destruction. some have already started to talk about the post conflict future i think is what will before an indefinite period. we'll have the overall uh, security responsibility because we've seen what happens when we don't have it when

we don't have that security responsibility while we have is the rupturing of how must are on a scale that we couldn't imagine. although the us secretary of state disagreed with the israeli prime ministers plan, he presented ideas of his own. no, forcible displacement, the palestinians from guys. not now, not after the war. know yous guys as a platform for terrorism or other violent attacks. no reactive patient have got so after the conflict, hence, no attempt to block hate or besiege guys or no reduction in the territory of guys to the. so the 2300000 palestinians. and during israel stay on slaughter, what life will be like after the war is probably inconceivable, right now. they have more immediate worries, some why safe to sleep? something to eat and drink. and when the friends and relatives of the life

get the potential for food, the repression in the form of israel's re occupation of gaza makes soon be weighing heavily on already troubled minds, holding out to 0 inside story the well that's bring, you know, a panel of guess to discuss this more in houston, texas, we have mohammed and a blue sea and attorney, an organizer with the policy and youth movement. and high for these ready, historian, 11, pop a. he's the also of the ethnic cleansing of palestine to book about the not spa, older catastrophe. the full exodus of hundreds of thousands of palestinians in 1948 when the state of israel was created. and in london with joined by vincent fina for my british consul general in jerusalem, a trustee of the bel full project. thank you very much for talking to us all of you . if i can start with you mohammed. yes, we are going to be talking about the future of garza,

but i'm well aware that people on the ground in gaza, i'm not thinking about the future. they are living moment by moment. yeah, that's absolutely right. as i'm sure your viewers know, over the last month, we've witnessed the massacres of over $10000.00 cost in nearly the majority of them being children. and what we've seen is the wholesale destruction of the civilian infrastructure of gaza. and this is in line with what we've seen from these rarely military in the past, especially in the past course in gauze a including the, the war and, but on and 2006. which the, the, the overall goal is to essentially devastate the civilian infrastructure. and population of a specific area in order to, as in their words, fear and their consciousness is rarely response to any form of resistance to its

continued occupation, occupation, siege and imprisonment of the compatriots of, of palestinians and lebanese. and so for palestinians and the gaza strip right now, it's a question of how do you survive the next minute the next hour, the next day of both in terms of being able to meet their basic needs in terms of just nutrition, living off of 700 calories a day, their medical needs. a lot of these people have longstanding chronic issues that are not being able to be addressed. and this current moment filled out the fuel, the lack of electricity and the inability to find a safe space in gauze. so they're told to move south and the south was from bergman bombarded, i believe over the last 24 hours the south has received more air strikes than the actual north where those rallies are claiming their focus or concentration in terms of how masses, military capabilities and its leadership and so it's very clear to me that for the palestinians in gaza,

there is no horizon beyond this war until we have an implement at sea fire, which is being called on by human rights organizations govern. it's across the world, june to the united nations overwhelmingly voted in support of a ceasefire. and yet both divided administration. and this is rarely regime a failed to comply with both international law and the will of the populations of the entire world. a lot in pop a we are talking about the future and goes up because the key political figures are talking about it. but also because in order to make sense of what israel is doing on the ground, we need to know what better objectives. now we know the objective is to destroy him us, but what off to that? well, i think that there is a kind of a consensus. ready is really about the military if you want aspect of what they're doing, although. ready they're, it's realistic, it's another question and. ready it is

a huge human and. ready willing i'm acceptable of human costs, so that minute work for these military decisions we can see on the ground. but you asking me about the political decision, what would they want to. ready who should they or if they are succeeding as a if they succeed in implementing their military plans? well, there is no one answer because. ready this goes back to. ready composition of the policy makers all you. ready the government of as well as they accept the components of the extreme right wing compl. ready ready the government of as well, the hopes that this would bring back the settlers to gather and create uh and the listing. ready guys uh it's not, it's been. ready for all of those of them, at least in the north of guys up and it's on, you know, seems to be very close to that cuz. ready i've been putting huge pressure on each. ready ready create a refugee city uh in the sinai. uh as. ready kind of the

controller. ready the. ready directly or. ready and then next. ready it's the the less, although the, in my minds that. ready so like, but not think, but those are less extreme. and these really government and the new allies of it then you know, like guns and beginning guns, we joined him in the what they called the cabinet meeting. they are thinking about about bringing back the be a to guys a but not of the whole of this. ready they hope to create some sort of the buses. ready that. ready would uh be a next door as well and what are the. ready mains would be under the control of the listing and eh, authority, again, i don't think anybody there has worked out a deep a blend of these. um. ready ready kind. ready of visions driven by their idea ologies, but all of them. ready are and meant to what they think is to change dramatically

the nature. ready of who rules does uh and how much does that remains in the. ready of these raise and how. ready much of it would it be and i told them is that for the staying in air. ready very much like area a o b a in the west bank. okay, let me bring it in vincent, and before i ask you a question, vincent um lets just explain to of you as you what the retard british consul general now the u. k. like many other countries has an ambassador, intel of eve, who deals with israel and the console general in jerusalem, who deals with the palestinians, who will, you will say, the trusty of the bo, full project. perhaps you could quickly explain what that is and then on. so my question, when having had what's in his said about the disagreements at the highest level in israel on what is the final plan here? if there isn't a clear plan, isn't that how military missions and often

a quote from a to yes, thank you. i'm a brief, what about about for projects? we have a website w, w, w dot about for project dot org on the website. there was a film called britain in palestine. 1917 to 48. we have to remember, i'm still on those to the night of the promises made by britain developer decoration and then to conduct to prevent a contradictory promises by the british government leaving a message in 1948. so as the service said, that un secretary general said a few days ago that there was a this, this conflict was not in motion of actual. there was a context. and i would come in to your view is the objectivity of fetch feel. it's important with the so much deliberate disinclination going around there is a you okay, responsibility and a u. k. responsibility to give us each in the direction of ecology turning to your question. um, there is

a security about it. the intentions of the, of the government of israel. and i'm just like trying to compare what they are saying to our tony blinking to us. so contrib stage this thing on his shore from our capital's and i got there is a contradiction. they're biting and linking out talking about um, new occupation of gaza after this for the reality is that israel has never ceased to occupy gaza since 1967. it also advise east jerusalem and the rest of the west bank. and we must forget the difficulties they experienced by palestinians in the west bank over 2000, been displaced by violence surplus, probably with a silence organized on so be confused by the all right. but coming back to your question, um and just saying one point to the send, you know,

sort of the western governments have been using for 2030 years with the piano which excludes house and excludes by the stadium is not a jazz. so the ports of coal blanking on his tour has been a big without bass and remo and the efforts of the west of lincoln. so nec my chrome and others will be to listen to them. all right? the only but to listen to the last point for now we just say what we needed this. a terabyte is palestinian agency. so i would be very inclined to listen to how much more that to me palestinian agency leading to self determination for the palestinian people alongside israel. because in my opinion, it's rarely to have to say, okay, well let's,

let's examine some of the things that people are saying on this right now. we heard and all right, and then report the comments of prime minister netanyahu. let me pull it up on the screen and that's just examine that again. these really prime minister says, i think israel for an indefinite period. we'll have the overall security responsibility because we've seen what happens when they don't have that security responsibility. mohammad, when you hear those words, do you think that means is riley troops will continue for a very long time on the ground and gaza. is that your reading of it? i don't believe that nothing yahoo or there's really administration and it's and it's and it's co, correct coalition knows what that means itself. and the reason being is ultimately the decision is not going to revolve around their own independent calculation of what they should do, but depend on the way the actual policy and resistance in gauze the response. are they going to be able to withstand

a continued military occupation with boots on the ground in the gaza strip, given the tunnel systems, given the capabilities given the threatened, the risk involved in the north with the resistance in london on a given to regional dynamics. and the pressure is that they're going to face from both the countries they seek to normalize with and varies actors. they have treat trade deals with light, turkey, and elsewhere. and so i don't believe that the, the government currently has an exit strategy or even a post. so to speak more strategy, because i don't think this more will. and i think it will be a continuation of the 75 years that we already have experienced. it will be just a variation or rearrangement of this military structure that military rollover policy in life. and there will be continued resistance to a messages, a, whether somebody likes it or not, is there to state whether in a organized political formation or through the actions of an underground guerrilla

movement in the gaza strip. and that's the same that could be said of the west space. we've seen an increase both in terms of the involvement of non sort of a mass or is lemons. you have groups, groups that are working under broader banners and umbrellas, groups that are drawing on various factions. we've also seen the military wing effect the, uh, the uh, the lots of brigades who entered the fray. and i've been confronting israel for the last multiple you years. and so for me, the, the, the stated goals of is really government right now are simply cover for their implementation of the few doctrine, which is something that they established in 2006 with, with the resistance in love at all. it was that we will target familiar infrastructure and population as a deterrence equation, as a message to not just the palestinians in the gaza strip,

the air witness level world as a whole. that should there ever be any confrontation with our plans or occupation of the region? we will, the civilian populations of your territories will be met with extreme force and the bringing the things that you've said that um you said that you're never going to get rid of a mouse. however many operative so leaders you kill the idea is the audiology of resistance is embedded in gaza. long do you think is rather not learning the lessons of history if they think there's going to be a more compliant palestinian population off to this very brutal bombardment. but i really love him and i, i think that uh, it says a little as horrific as the situation is now. and i'm afraid it can be even worse a, it's not a game changer in any way. uh, by this time was gonna be colonized the westbank would still be occupied because

the state would still be siege. and the palace being. ready ready ready uh would continue in that respect that it's absolutely a good analysis in the sense that uh that what we see here is not a an x that is meant to change the reality, but rather to maintain it. uh and uh if, if i'm right that this is uh what is going on and. ready is probably what will unfold then. yes, the answer to your question is know is that they're not learning from history. uh they do believe that at. ready the they have done. ready in the last uh 56 years since 9067 is more or less working you would have sold the, the operations. ready of the how much. ready loaning of the savings of october would send and kind of waves of doubt and the policy make. ready as of the

military command. ready of isn't my saying are you sure it's working. ready what happened. ready the service of october, but the immediately they created and narrative. ready ready what happened is something that was. ready understand below. ready as to the history of, of knots is in or i says and so on. and therefore they, they con. ready they don't want to. ready they just. ready they should, they just. ready ready less than that they should learn. so i'm, i'm afraid that we will be. ready the same point as where we are here right now, namely the. ready have western governments providing. ready unity to is a the good to continue these policies of oppression. a civil society is who stand behind the brothers. ready in struggle and military in balance that does not allow the ballistic. ready is any future or even. ready hope of overly. ready rating that by this time at this moment in history. but that also means site goes inside cause

of bloodshed environments unless the whole, the perspective of the region and the international community would change because in balance of the, on the ground, locally. ready stay the same. okay, let me, let me, let me bring you. i think what i have, let me bring in vince. and you mentioned the views of the international community were beginning to get some of the views of certainly the us. let me go back to what we heard at the top of the program, the comment from and to the blinking. again, let me put it up on the screen note for civil displacement. the policy is from gaza . now note off to the will no use of golf as a platform from terrorism, no real to patient of cause a so that from the us that group state some red lines for the us from the us for israel, do you think is route will listen, do you think even the president of the united states, when he hasn't been able to get a humanitarian pulls, he's been asking for it for days and days. has

a nice way of apartments and nothing yahoo, if there was a problem. and the problem lies in large box is a government of israel in that the current collision pre guns, if you like, has as its policy platform. that old man belongs to israel. and it's for israel to choose. now that deprives the listing and people of the rights to self determination, which is a rights not a gift. it's the right i'm the international community must not and should not kind of live at the perpetuation of the occupation the occupation of 9067. as i said, there's a context which goes back to the 40 item before, but in terms of what the western powers blinking the macro etc, can do with brittany. taking a leading role because of its responsibilities that you started responsibilities is

to say to israel, it is not possible for you to maintain that you have control and that you have sovereignty over the entirety of what was recommended by this time. it cannot be that policy has to change. and i do believe that in civil society in palm and lunch in the u. k, i would hope and gotten much. there is a realization that that is really government policy must change. and that in britain particularly where i am, the mindset of the got much needs to be part of it to you as a steam between palestinians and israelis. because the other part of what mr. blinking is saying is that he wants the palestinian authority to take control of cause that he wants, that he says unified with the westbank under the policy, you know, thought to you. so if you mohammed, do you think the policy knew a force he would like to resume control of gauze in this way?

what would people have caused that may cover a ton of the policy you know, 40 as well for the state and the statements of my home without best um, regarding this, it seems like he's in favor and through his consultations with blinking on assuming authority of the the gods and strip, but you have to remember that the palestinian authority is deeply unpopular, viewed as illegitimate, increasingly so including as a result of the response to the genocidal campaign being we waged on the gaza strip . it's unpopular amongst its own base, its own supporters are increasingly seeing it as the legitimate and acting outside of its scope of authority, including actual members of the security forces that are tasked with maintaining or preventing any resistance to these really occupation and, and the goddess strips to specifically if the palestinian authority rides in on his and his really on a proverbial is really k that's going to be met. and viewed as

a continuation of the as rarely campaign on the gaza strip in its current form. and even then, as has been mentioned by, by my colleagues, the coalition and its current report is deeply and targeted stick to the role of the palestinian authority, especially the far right parties. the ones who are interested mostly in settlement expansion in the west bank and prioritizing their, their ability to do so. and so there's not going to be a situation where they're even supported by these really government, regardless of what the international community wants, the need to be bringing into a lot now, because there was another idea of floating around which is to make garza either a trustee ship or have some sort of un force was explaining 12 years. the, you wouldn't have been involved in the past. you have and off the un, this engagement observe a force that's up in the golan heights. that since the 1973 war, you will also have a set pro force unit full,

the un interim force in lebanon. the in simon, that name of the site story lost it 45 years. they've been there since these riley and we pulled out of southern lebanon, but a long it would be very different with nipple. but you and countries, you and member states to come up with a force here because they would not be working as a peacekeeping force. they'd actually be working, it seems as, as the, as the prison wardens in the prison that is garza. yes, that they will be asked to do the vice being. i was asked to do by this room sub contract. that what these very goal, the security of israel? no, i don't think it's going to work. i mean, we can just go back in history to the attempt of the united nation in the international community to act as a buffer zone in the city of hyper on funding between the fanatic settlers there and the and then the people of hyper on a we know what happened, i mean that they were totally ignored and,

and half of the city was ethnically cleansed. either we continue. ready we had and as we said before, this means called. ready zation and not to. ready long and struggle a and it's very different to predict how we will unpack. ready it exactly bought from the fact that it would cost menu when lives or the other trajectories to change that the sketch. ready together and it is a we need a different approach to all of it. this is not about how is the ensured controlled bonds of palestine. this is how punish time should look like if we are serious about the sofa donation liberation, freedom, the title of refugees. the. ready listing is. ready to have the power to impose that kind of conversation. but the region has these nomic world has and the world has it's just a matter of regional international determination. uh, to try and take responsibility and i agree with vincent bit and should be the 1st

month to do it. but the best thing is not the only international x, the responsible for the unity that is an enjoys and it's oppression of the other thing. and the many, many of the culprits in this and. ready world has to change its attitude and at least go back to the kind of a mentality she doesn't if you want or perception of the of the seed. ready ation as it adopt it towards the bottom. so that's a, that would be a very good beginning if he doesn't solve the needs of the, the problems on does and so on. but at least we should try and exploit this horrific a general side of those sit. ready ation into a different kind of subject to read that takes us into the future with such a crimes against humanity and all perpetrated any more which is by the way, a win win situation for everyone. but one that is, well, of course doesn't wish to unfold and one but unfortunately most of. ready really,

jews as the. ready the government on this so the situations in history where you cannot rely on the change of with in pro and from. ready the in the corner lies as society you need region, the region and the international. ready ready gate to interfere and understand that this is not just the local issue of injustice. it has huge implications for the region as old. and i would say to many parts of the world as well. thank you gentlemen very much for joining us for this discussion. i think we will learn something well listening to this program trying to to all cast mohammad now blue see a lot in pop, a and vincent seen around the cult coverage of the war and cause it continues on ouch as 0 for more detail, context and analysis you can go to a website out, is there a dot com if you have any comments, suggestions and yes, even complaints. go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. or you could tweak the test of what used to be

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