into jobs to cover the carnage they're all that they can report on 1st hand is the is really saw palestinian reporters risking everything to get the story you 15 members killed in and ask dr. sharon, what's happening on that? we don't cover the news. we cover the way the news is the listening post alaska signs by hundreds of incidents don't and list says western media coverage because the world has been fined in favor of israel. and again, some kind of side news rooms are accused of these humanizing palestinians. all the allegations that this is inside story, the

hello the welcome to the program. i'm nora kyle, the wells, television, screens, newspapers and online media have been filled with pets of israel's will, on gauze, which has killed nearly 12000 palestinians. most of them women and children, they both have featured the hum us attacks of october, the 7th, which killed $1200.00 is rainy's. modern technology means there's more media coverage than ever before. but some of this coverage has been criticized like done list themselves. hundreds of signs and that's a choosing west to media of bias reporting of the console. they work for organizations such as voice has the washington post los angeles times and the guardian. let's take a look at some of the main points and the last a, as we hold western news rooms accountable for dehumanizing rhetoric that has served to justify ethnic cleansing of palestinians, double standards, inaccuracies, and fallacies abound. and american publications and have been well documented news

rooms have instead undermined palestinian arab and muslim perspectives, dismissing them as unreliable and heavy volt inflammatory language that reinforces as long before big and racist troops. they have printed misinformation spread by as really officials and fail to scrutinize indiscriminate killing of civilians and gaza, committed with the support of the us government. this is our job to hold power to account. otherwise we will be coming to accessories to genocide. we are renewing the call for journalists to tell the full truth without fear or favor to use precise terms that are well defined by international human rights organizations, including apartheid ethnic, cleansing, and genocide, to recognize that contorting or words to hide evidence of war crimes or israel's oppression of palestinians is journalistic malpractice,

and an abdication of moral clarity. now that has of course, being plenty of balanced on compelling reporting in western media on the plates of palestinians. i'm a devastating impacts of the as wally will on garza. but there's also been plenty of instances where hotline pro israeli government statements have gone on, challenged israel's not engaged in genocide. and then another thing we need to deal with is the whitewashing of the status of people in gaza. i'm sure there are plenty of people would love to be free from, from us, but the most radicalized people on the planet live in the gaza strip. they've been taught since birth to kill and hate the jews. how do you teach math and gaza? if you had 10 jews and you kill 6, how many would be left? that's been in their school system? us for public and presidential candidates of lined up to voice the support for israel during a televised debate this week. the result,

a platform for travelers and extreme views supporting the bombing of casa, the 1st thing i said to him when it happened was, i said finish them, finish them. and the reason is, i worked on this every day when i was at the united nations. and we have to remember that they have $21.00, eliminate come off to support israel with whatever they need whenever they need it . and 3, make sure we bring our hostages home. and the washington post took a costumed off its website off to a backlash, and was criticized as being racist. and is the humanizing portrayal of the palestinians. that's bringing ok now. and in toronto percent and independent journalist um $22029.00 and fellow at harvard university. she's also a fuller producer. at cbc news in london, i've met l. no. could you on less than co founder of we on the numbers. that's a non profit organization. that 6 amplified voices and stories from gaza. i'm doing

very well is mark, i mean, james, associate professor of middle east studies at how i've been kelly for university. his research focuses on this information and propaganda. if i will welcome to all of you, pass on this is a pretty powerful laptop with an on signed by john list themselves to the employee is you will one of the signet trees. why did you sign it? quite frankly, laura, i have been horrified and disappointed by the lack of courage from our profession. the lack of concern for fellow journalists in the past who are not only risking their lives but their family's lives. they are on the move. they are trying to report on what's happening as the only people bearing witness to the suffering of the people that has that. and i'm, quite frankly, so alarm that we are now looking at over 39 journalists who have been killed. and at least in the west, it seems like there is object,

silence about this. and so when i saw the letter circulating, i thought if we can't as a profession, as journalist condemned the killing of our fellow journalists, then what are we doing here? it was just such a clear letter and it also got out the difficulty and reported on this, not just within that, which is the most immediate, but the difficulty of talking about this and reporting on this with clarity in mainstream news organizations which has been challenging for a very long time and that's why i added my name to it. there was a lot of fear and talking about this, and i think there is power and collective action and in journalist banding together to say, we have an obligation to cover this fairly. and to call out the targeting of journalists like us, it could be any one of us that are being targeted right now. what instances have of you found challenging? well, i was a one time producer at cbc,

the canadian broadcasting corporation. and i can tell you that in my 10 years of working there, i produced thousands of interviews. i worked on a daily current affairs. you show so thousands of interviews over 10 years. but the one story of mine, more of that never saw the light of day an interview that i had produced. and in 10 years, the one story that did not make it to air was an interview that i had produced with a palestinian american journalist, your former elders. your holly asked me to have a dean and the nominated journalist who was reporting on protests in jerusalem in 2017. and i wrote mcqueen, one of the things that we spoke to him about was the difficulty of covering this. he had in the course of his reporting and been stopped. questions jostled around by it was rarely security forces on video by the way, which just went through my attention to him and thought i should talk to him about this for our show. and when we recorded the interview with him, and i came back after editing it and kept coming back from

a break and was told with no discussion by hires up, that this interview would not err that they did not have time to explain it to me. and it was unceremoniously engaged with no editorial discussion, and it was the 1st and only time in my entire history at the cdc, where an interview did not make it to air. and i still to, to stay, i'm not clear as to why. and so that is just one stark example of the difficulty of putting on palestinian voices of talking about this view from palestine. specifically i would say from aero arabic, jason muslim journalist how students and so are often silenced without a lot of due process editorially. and it is just an ok to difficult thing. and the only reason i was able to talk about it is because i wrote about it in an article that was sac checked and bullet proof in an independent magazine here. and that was the way that i found that i could talk about this 3 years later in 2020, okay,

percent. most of the look at the reasons perhaps why that interview wasn't at just a little lisa in the discussion. festival mas wants to get some examples for me, cuz i know you've been looking at the u. k. need you give us some idea of what you'll see in the way that you'll see in bias creeping in the dehumanization of palestinians becoming a known. what i think a key aspect of dehumanization is also marginalization. if you can make a people invisible, you can make the suffering disappear, then you're going to basically be controlling how much sympathy the public have for those people. and i was, for example, examining the front pages of a number of the british price, including today e mail, which is one of them. a 2nd i did newspapers in u. k. i found in the 1st 14 days of the, the conflict of the war router that they did not mention once on the front page, the cumulative totaled of palestinians killed in a positive. okay. and this is despite mentioning the number of is released to

account on october the 7th and thereabouts, several different times. so i thought this to me was a really striking example of how for example, palestinians are removed from the picture. they're removed from suffering. it's almost as you know, the is really suffering was, was the only kind of stuff and that was worth mentioning on the front page of these newspapers. and i think we shouldn't take that lightly. i'm not saying that, you know, these figures wasn't mentioned in the paper on a different page, but i think we will know that the front page of the headline is really important. positioning it, it's what many people read is the only thing some people read and it also gives insight into the editorial process. what does that newspapers want us to think about what's going on in gaza? and this is just one example of a number, and that doesn't even start to mention the use of language. the dehumanizing nature of language. and this is another thing i'd really like to mention what i've noticed, even in sort of the more quality papers in the u. k. like the guardian, often they will pre face what, how much that, what times like brutal imagined. but when it comes to, for example, it is rarely bombing of,

of cars which has killed over 10000 people in her risk proof of ways, terms like brutal and never use. it's always things like precision strike or collateral damage, right? so this is kind of, you know, the double speak going on when reporting about is really atrocities that is not used when it comes to, you know, there's to save, the trust is carried out by palestinians. and this is not accidental. you know, this is, you know, how, how writing is constructed to actually marginalize the suffering of palestinians. and this has been an ongoing issue in how west the media generally has portrayed what's going on in palestine. and it's not acceptable with you being on the receiving end of this bias. your self you'll, you'll own suffering has been a big list, told when you shared with us your experience and the thank you. thank you very much for having me. actually what's going on here and there was the media bias and palestine is not a new. we are used to it. it has been ongoing for the past 75 years. and recently, during the past 3 weeks, i lost the 21 family members and they were

a civilian source leaving their home. and as i bumped them, including 14 of my nieces and nephews where it gets there were killed. and then at the media invited me a lot of media also to invite me to talk to speak about my family and what's going on. but the problem was with that is, it is always the media invite the policy and has to speak in order to in betters than in order to put them in, in a position where they have to defend themselves through the work the within a city that was sent or just for example, i was the 21 family members and just went on and then and one of the interviews they said about the last 21 family members that did not say is there a killed 21 family members of i much one day where to sleep, the said last was when you talk about is where it is. and when data type is there is always say is there and is, are brutally go mess and come. turner was killed them, but the palestinians, they just lose their front end and then their family members, the palestinians die all the time. that's the problem and do it. when many other cases they and many other tv appearances. they asked me after knowing that that was

the 21 family members. they asked me to cut them a mask or what they, what do i think of him as or if i way to close to my brothers and sisters? well, i grew up in my entire life, so it's always our perception is a accountant with a disability. they want to make sure that i am correct, that my family means something to me. and many of the big publications also roads, interviews with the roads, articles about me, and every single information i talking about make sense that they want to prove they want to see my house on google maps. they want to know the names of my brothers and sisters and their ages and what they were doing. and these interviews went through a lot, a lot of security because they want to make sure that i'm not like. so they always have this impression that i might be like inc, that's my, my family's, how may i ask that there is just discussion with say over was when you compare that with what happened and is in 7th of october, the same, what made it seem eh,

a media outlets. they were not reluctant to disseminate information and lice and thinking use by the is what it is without any security, without finding it should have affected, seeking without any uh, without any refreshing them and need to work. that's no problem. i've been on many money to the appearances adjoining to boston one month and in every one of them. it is almost that they want to ask me if i can do them, how much or not? because they think that a condemning commerce or the question is about how this is it must this that's i have to do. i have to undertake in order to prove that and war the being curb. that's the problem. we have been suffering, but the means to media for 75 years is that always the palestinians, our lives worthy, our life are this important. and then yesterday, for example, uh tv did an interview with me and then i was, i wanted to know what, what the comments on their youtube of china. and if we think google on that interview was very, very, very good. everyone said that i don't have to have sympathy because i did not

contend how much i wasn't off by the way. and then how much does the interview, but they say that i don't deserve sympathy. some people think we thought it was too weird that they have a 20 found. it's one of the family members and that i am lying because they have 20 family members. they think that they are too many and they shouldn't be. uh, i shouldn't have too many family members like i don't blame the really so that, but it is. this is the outcome of that case. so please send me that this information i lies about the ability to do with the migration of the policy number . you may have something that wants to get an idea from percentage of to recently being with c, b, caesar by mainstream media there in, in a ton of the, do you understand you do accept the best this reluctance to accept palestinian suffering is equal to his really suffering that needs to be scrutinized. the stories need to be fact check do do see that happening in the news rooms where you've been working? absolutely, and even before getting to a stage of

a fast tracking or verifying the bar for getting palestinian voices or stories about palestine, amir is, is so high, it is almost uh, it's an impossible bart's me. and when we do reach that threshold is because there has been an attack on his varies israelis have been killed or injured. and that then gives us the greenlight in western media often to wade into it. and it is often in context list, palestinians rarely get on to talk about their lives, the daily injustices that they face, the missing context that has been missing from coverage about how sign in israel for so long. and you know, what we see often is the very limited window of conversation these days. it is, do you condemn him? ask, do you condemn him? asked even when palestinians do make it onto the year, it is often what i would call trauma porn. tell us about your pain. tell us about

who. yeah. but when we start to get into the context and holding is real accountable, you know, bringing it back to journalists. you know, israel has deliberately targeted journalists and not just journalists who are in the fields, but journalists sleeping in their homes along with their families. and so there is often a missing context and a missing clarity about the violence and the desks that palestinians are experiencing. and it seems to only be discussed when is really space violence 1st and the palestinians are brought on to respond to this. and the context piece has been very, very hard to get out because then you're looking at words like occupation, like, you know, it's a natural human rights groups talking about ethnic cleansing and genocide, the united nations. but there is such reluctance to talk about these things and then there are groups that you know, have gone after and as we'll go after, anyone in the media who talks about the palestinian freedom, palestinian,

the occupation. and they say that this is anti semitic. they say that, you know, you're calling for the destruction of israel and it gets so worked. and so basically user managers do not want this headache. a lot of it is just fear there's a show because talking about this gets people riled up. and the accusations of anti semitism fly, there has been such a flattening of, you know, criticism of policies of the state of israel. these raymond, governments is often just, are seen as anti semitic. and so therefore, no one of the trucks and known user managers want to deal with ombudsman complaints . so therefore, we just don't wait into it. and this has been going on for a very long time. and i think we're seeing the results of this right now. he bore up so many good points that i want to look at. i'm just going to pick up on that culture of fear that you mentioned mark how whiskey is it for jen? this like percent to speak out like this. we've seen people in the past speaking up

and then losing the jobs over it either. i mean, i think we're, you know, we're seeing this ample evidence of this right now. several john, listen to us. i have lost the jobs for various reasons, including signing on a letter that was condemning you know, the, the, the, the sort of, they've just the unbelievable level of violence and acted by israel on palestinians . we saw someone fired from a position editing a magazine because he endorsed that we could, he liked and praised a satirical onion, optical, because he was saying that the onion, which is to recall the martin news outlet was actually providing some of the most astute and critical coverage in the us of what was going on palestine, could you imagine what kind of state were living and when people lose the job agendas will lose that job simply for appreciating satisfy which is happening within the bounds of the law. i mean, there's actually terrifying and i think, you know, these, these kind of risks are everywhere even as an academic. i've faced it myself. i got a, an e mail from a g. i missed a british journalist a going through my tweets,

trying to basically find any evidence that i was quote unquote anti semitic. and one of the tweets he used as an example to try and cite me as being empty set aside . that's i can this optical he wanted to write was one where i said, why do people have a problem when you compare for example, media coverage or coverage of how to sign with that of ukraine? how long it is that even remotely on 2 seconds to magic? how is it even remotely empty? is rightly so. i mean, there's one thing where there's this it times which is really common to basically accuse anyone who is remotely critical as well as being anti semitic. but then this is other level where you're accusing people who i'm even criticized israel as being anti semitic. you know, i is this huge flattening that we see and it's usually problematic. and i worry, and this is this chosen the point that was just being made about context. what happens? and this has happened to many people including myself and other janice, who tried to talk about the back story, right. the thing is with often with news media in general and it tries to create a beginning and the middle in the end to a story, right? this is where this whole do condemn how mass comes. what just the trying to do that

is trying to say, okay, we want you to admit that how i started it. and then once you admit that, then we'll talk to you, which is preposterous, right? and is always trying to reframe any form. it is really aggression as a response, as a retaliation to what, how much that none of this is about, you know, decades of occupation in a pop type. i'm brutalization being the reason for causing what happened on the 7th october you know that's, that's not how it's framed. so the whole thing that do you condemn us as a form of gas? i think it's a form of basically published and use trying to acknowledge that they are complicit somehow in their own suffering. and this discourse continues throughout even the arguments that you know, how much use human shields. right? that, you know, promising is live in crowded areas. oh, it's all designed in a way to make it sound like palestinian desk a somehow the own doing. well, this is the point that i want to start. she bring it in on is this idea of context again? and because we keep saying, in many wisdom media outlets, a pro israeli government voice is coming on saying this stall says on october the

7th. but missing only out with the context here as this whole space. in many ways to media outlets to talk about the situation before october, the 7th, using was light percent instead of a pa, side of occupation. this is what's missing. of course, this is missing now. it has always been missing. i did my, my, my master's degree in uh, and you'll notice in my, my dissertation was about was the media coverage in palestine. and i can safely say that one of the main important, the topics that we're talking about, the many problems that we're having with those the media is the lack of context and also of what the within media extra glued rather than what they include. for example, if you talk if, if you a, a work at the human right, if you work at a newspaper, and if you say that the processing and people have been living under military occupation for the past 57 years, it would make

a huge difference. if you talk about the settlements that are separate thing and that was back where there is no how much that was bank, it would make a huge difference to the reader. there are many, many, if you talk about the political punishment of sees that has been ongoing in garza, for the past 17 years, people would have a context. they would have an understanding of what's actually going on. right. the media only focuses or to the stories of the, but as you know, talk about the conflict when the art is where it is kids present. but it says the beginning of this year, more than $400.00. but as you know, people were built into west bank, and then that means it talked about it. they only talk to us, they only took to the purchasing is when there are is really come as if the is where is are the only important people here. the only lives of matter and the buddies, the man's life don't about her. the don't talk about that could be the ministry to patient. didn't talk about that, but you never hear about the neck about where the contests will be the top into the policy of 75 years ago, which displaced a hundreds of thousands of processing and from the home owner of this context is able to provide it to the audience,

and that's why the audience would only know about because we're talking about the goes on when there aren't going. being window is there is guilt. and this will give that the audience and then get to there's something about at about about discomfort . so this is one of the main problems that we have our suffering from, and it's only the palestinians are portrayed and up and about, and then they get to in a good way, would they don't talk about the success stories about governance about it. the price side of the policy is the only talk about the policy against when there are, when there is a book should. that's a problem and that's why we have a lot dismissed import. i look to cities types and the was about palestine and about what's going on and palestine markers wants to bring you back to that point that you said about the, the number of pad us to the index being missing from uh, front page coverage when the number of of the way the depth is as frequently reported. do you think as an audience, as a consumer of news, we have a higher threshold for state violence of a non state volumes. do you think that plays into it? i don't know if we have a higher threshold, but i think, you know,

it depends how you want to play it. i mean, are you saying, i mean, how much are elected, right? or can we say that that's they might, let's to why we're treating homeless as this terraced organization was, is there any violence is somehow more legitimate, you know, is around of it constantly in violation of international law that you know, bombing with these kind of indiscriminate weapons densely populated area that the killing hundreds of people. i don't think it should matter or not whether this violence of state violence or not. i think what we're trying to say, we're just trying to see this deliberate attempt to monson life human suffering and an end of the 1000s of people killed. i think if that was anywhere else, if that was in ukraine, we would see a lot of attention tied to that story. so i don't think it's about state violence because i mean, pressure is a state and it's coming people. but what i do think here is this really interesting . politicize ation over the number of people killed, the number of palestinians killed is becoming a political problem for even j 5 and then as well. so what biden did he went on the news to try and cast out on the number of palestinians killed by using terms like

thomas one health ministry. we cannot trust these numbers. and what was the source of the story? is there any intelligence? it was some guy who used to be a bureau chief injury slim, who said that we can't trust thomas as numbers. right? that was, that was the source of the story. and no one actually mentioned that the guy who does those for that story was, was actually also working now for a p off. i mean, right, said again, the only thing that's always there's one second is just today the, is there anything even downgraded the number of casualties, right, and i just think it simple and this is not the site. so it's all on the mind that that's a tragedy of the and the amount of siblings that died. but at the end of the day, the is really the low it downgrade to the number of people killed. that was never anybody. 200. yeah, by the time i just want to, i just want to get the last word and th, we've only got a minute left on the discussion. we recently find this last a. do you think it's going to have any impact on the way the is really causal is going to be covered from hair on in i, i don't know laura and the fact that i don't know if this will have any impact is,

is i think is chilling. but i have just been haunted watching journalists, um, you know, there was a, a palestine tv journalist who openly west on tv segment of the machine was crying about who's calling her mother will have to just within the last week who was killed after finishing of coverage going home this week and i was haunted by this house, my tv correspondence standing outside of a hospital seeing as cali coming dead with just been reported for him. and he took off his press best. he took off his helmet and said we are victims. we are being targeted one by one, and these beings are not protecting us. there is no international protection. and i was haunted by that when the do it for me to the or the get the guys. a bureau chief trustee watched the whole family, his wife, his daughter, his son, his grandchild, and was on here the next day saying, i'm committed to tell the story. so that is what motivates me to sign. and to,

to hopefully, uh, you know, have a conversation about if we can even to denver killing of her fellow journalists, how can we condemn the wider genocide that is taking place against palestinian civilians in the 10s looks out like over 10000. now i'm haunted by it, and if this letter is just a drop in the ocean, i hope it's one that creates a very necessary conversation about what's happening now, at least in the journal as to community. okay, well hopefully this is part of that conversation. many thanks to all i guess for joining us ahead today, present my to i've met all know and mark and james and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's onto 0 adult. com for further discussion to go to a facebook page that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. it goes to during the conversation on x, on homeless at a inside story from a laura kyle and the whole team here is bye for now the

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