continues to fly the slide, so motor sports in the nation. so it's 3 out a 0 set on the international 2nd. well that is all the light is the sport headboards. you can get more out 0, don't com. and on all the social media channels no, an ice cream shop and con eunice and southern guns. i spring, children little joy in the middle of world. it's running on solar panels off the israel cup. power and fuel supplies. only a limited number of trucks carrying the humanitarian aid. i've been allowed into the territory, leaving many palestinians desperate for food, nor a con report. this is the only ice cream vendor left in garces. the ones popular treat is a welcome sight. how does that have? it's so hot in the middle of all the fighting. i like think ice cream. it's really tasty with electricity and fuel. in short, supply gulf has been cooked in darkness. the shopping ton unit runs from sort of panels. yeah. much of what, when i sold the extreme shop open,

i read home us my parents for some money and came to bio and i really like it. joy is rare among these children whose seen the lives unravel an innocence crushed by the i eat ice cream to feel alive, especially because i am scared that night crammed into un schools. in the dark. in northern garza ice cream funds, we use as molds with symmetries run out of space. intense is really building full policy itself that the u. n says moving to health, a 1000000 people a crammed into the schools and clinics. and the trick, who was a allowed into casa, is a drop in the ocean food and water a how to come by soup kitchen to be set up to help volunteers use traditional cookie method. but there isn't snow to go around christmas. we don't know what to

do or how to feed our children over the shops of run out of stock because a strip is being besieged for 16 years. and now it says, well, there's not even water for us to walk before present. the future looks very dark of the for now to spend it provides some much needed response from the misery of war next and stuff i know i felt like having ice cream and it's hot. so i bought some, i haven't had ice cream since ago began and it allows children to be children, nor come out to 0. well that's it for me down jordan, for now i'm going coverage of the war on guns, a continuous here and i'll just say around opt out at the bottom line spectra. it's done searching by from the as the situation in gaza. s gonna, we put a new expert analysis. this is not the convention of war between the 2 armies

institute through states. this is a symmetric award. these really only does not purposely so to kill children. unfortunately, children can be the casualties of the wall. the test in real time, we are only taking them to call of the task. this government is mostly to solve to, as you said, to do that there wouldn't be no peace without justice for fast and stay with us for the latest development on our hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. this is real having in game for the war in gaza. let's get to the bottom line. the israel has been pounding guys up for more than a month. ever since the hamas surprise attack of october 7th, resulting in more than 1400 is really skilled in another 200 taken hostage at this

point, more than 10000 palestinians had been killed by his really forces about half of them children. to dave, a narrow strip has been split into and most of its 2300000 civilians have been displaced by the non stop is really showing. the humanitarian situation on the ground is become dire. food, water, medicine, and fuel shortages are reaching catastrophic levels. and the united nation said more of its aid workers had been killed in gaza. then in any period in the history of the united nations, all of which brings to mind the famous quote of general david betray us from 20 years ago when us forces were invading a rock, he said, tell me how this ends, the death and destruction continue, but what's the end game for israel today? we're talking to congressmen steph moulton, a democrat, representing massachusetts and a veteran of the marine corps who served in the rock or crossing molten. thank you so much for joining us. but you started to be your terms in a rock, you know, of what war feels like and sees. you saw your friends die,

you saw civilians die and you saw an enemy combatants die. i'm just interested, given your experience of that. what frame should we be considering as we look today at the crisis between israel and homos and gaza? well, 1st of all, let's just acknowledge was absolutely horrific. were should be avoided at all costs, and the worst part of war is when innocent people die and is, and people always die in war. and we saw innocence, seville civilians, and israel massacred barbaric levi him off. and now we're seeing innocent civilians and gaza killed every day, and it's really airstrikes. this is a horrible tragedy. i think the important context to look at this war though, is it, this is not a force on force for like russia versus ukraine, or the united states versus germany in world war 2. this is a real counter insurgency where the fight is not just to defeat her mos for israel . the fight is also to wind over the population, so that her mom,

when their hearts in mind you do have to, when there are, how is it? how is that going from your, you know, early watch of a month into this war? i don't think it's going very well to be candid. and, and look, i look at this from the perspective of, i want israel to the feet home off. i want is real and palestinians to live. i want israel and palestine to have peace. i want is really citizens, if palestinians village citizens that don't have to worry that they're going to get killed in their sleep. but to get there, i do think you have to defeat terrace, but you can't recruit more terrace in the process. and the number one way to recruit terrace of the cause is to kill in a sense of where you wrote a very powerful and interesting piece of the likes. i haven't read out there about warren conflict relevant to these really guys a crisis in cnn dot com. i highly recommend that people take a look at that article, but in it you talk about mcchrystal snap. the, tell us about that. so a general stanley mate, crystal famous counter and surgeon of american general and afghanistan,

he talked about how there's this, what he calls insurgent mass. and he estimates the equation to be for every one civilian that you kill, you recruit about 10 terrace. so in other words, if we one civilian was spoken at one innocent person of whom thousands have now been killed, we know it will get this over half of the 10000 or children. so innocent right there. but tell us how many insurgents are created. so this is a problem so, so israel has a math problem and it's measured in human lives this day go in and they say we're going to take out this one home aust harris. but in the process they killed just one civilian. well, by general mcchrystal of math, you've just recruited 9 new or sorry, 10 new i'm aust harris. so the cause that means you recruited 10, you killed one year plus 9. that's not moving in the right direction. if you want to actually take out this terrorist organization as you kind of look at your

experience of there and it's something that i, i think you had knowledge is very, very different that the density of buildings of people um, wildly different than a place that's like stacked up with people like london today, it's like going through and trying to find, you know, the bad folks amongst a lot of good folks. how do you process that in? and i and i want to acknowledge i was very taken with your comment that you called in a bombing rate on a school. you flattened the school, so it was a difficult decision to make. but here's the context. it was so different then, then garza, we knew that there were no civilians in, in that neighborhood to the best of our knowledge. all the civilians had evacuated . that's because we in many ways conditioned the battlefield. we made sure that civilians had a way to get out. we went into this building where americans had already taken uh, several casualties. and then my raise my platoon took casualties as well. and i was

faced with this decision. do i continue fighting up the stairs where they're rolling grenades down to the us? or do i pull the marines out and drop a bomb on the building to take care of the fred, the insurgents. but also rec of school, a school that we would have to rebuild if we wanted to win back popular support. and i made the decision, i said this is not worth more marine lives. so i dropped the bomb. but then the tough work started to get after we finish the fighting and knowledge of in 2004, we spent months and months rebuilding the city rebuilding the city so that we could rebuild trust with the rocky people. who by the way, much like the pelting, if they didn't want to be living under terrorist, but they weren't sure they could trust americans. we had to earn that trust you. you also cite general madison. something he said, which i found really interesting. he said, i want the military to be looked at as the enemy's worst enemy, but as to people's,

as there, there would be no better friend. that's right. and i found a very interesting to hear those because we're not talking in those terms right now . we're quite in range were caught in a motion, but even president bite and acknowledge that rage, the blindness of rage can be a bad place to start. so i, i'm just interested in how you see through that and how do you orient a military to be no worse enemy and no better friend? well, this was our 1st marine division motto, but it wasn't our motto when we went into a rock and we went into a rock, we didn't understand the consequences of, of killing civilians. we tried to avoid it because the right thing to do. but we were just trying to defeat the rocky army. it took us years to appreciate to realize that we were in a counter insurgency campaign, where it was just as important to win over the civilian population as it was to defeat the enemy. so general matters, introduce that motto to tell every single marine that you had to prove every single day that your enemies would fight no greater for. but at the same time,

if you put your trust in us, if you put your trust in united states marine corps, you won't find a better friend. that was really important to this whole concept of winning over the civilian population. and what struck me is that we would spend often much more time focused on the know better friend part that on the know were sending me any we might spend days rebuilding infrastructure a working with a rocky politicians. and then they, we might spend a couple hours at night going on it and are ready to take out a few tears when i later worked for general patricia as it was a, it was the same thing. he would agonize over restoring power to parts a valley. that in fact, he sent my small team of marines once on admission into enemy held territory. a place where americans didn't want to go for the sole purpose, not of taking out harris, but of fixing a power line because he knew was so important to win over the support of the, of the civilian population by showing you could deliver services. and i just went back and i sort of did

a search of news headlines of military during your rock war during afghanistan. and i found one with this as a someone you probably know who is the, the former head of us central command, frank mckenzie, who set a capital drone strike that killed 10 civilians, which they thought was part of terrorist infrastructure. was a tragic mistake, killed him, were killed and came out on television, admitted the mistake publicly of the article for that. it may be too early in this war to see that. but how much does confession apology, recognition of those mistakes publicly fit into the hearts and mine strategy is a good question to you. i think it matters a lot and, and again, i'm not saying that we always got it right. the message i'm trying to send to to these rallies who have every right to defend their country, every right to defend their civilian population. every right to take out terrace. just as we did after 911. the message of trying to send is learned from our

mistakes because in the early days of iraq and afghanistan, you would never hear the us apologize for civilian casualties. but as we came to appreciate how important it was to show the civilian population that you can trust us, you can work with us. we're a better alternative to the terrorist. as we came to appreciate that we were much more candid and open and honest and transparent and part of that is being willing to mit, mistaken. yeah, yeah. so publicly you're out there on this, but you said in this time of conflict, we need to begin thinking about in games you need to envision other things. you need to think about hearts and minds. i'm just interested in how this is playing with your constituents and also this town, you know, how are you getting criticized for this or you being applauded for your well he, 1st of all, i always get criticize desperate. because no matter what you say, you're going to criticize. but no, i think in many ways people realize that that what, what i'm trying to do here is, is not just sort of find the middle ground, but, but really stand on moral principle. these,

there are strong moral reasons why we don't need to see innocent lives offended or ended in this conflict. but there are real military reasons as well. so you can be the start you a supporter of israel, and i am a staunch supporter of israel, up the is rarely state of israel, fundamental right? even responsibility to defend its citizens. while also saying if i want israel to win this war, they've got to be more careful. they've got to minimize civilian casualties because that's what we learned in iraq and afghanistan. now, the president and his team that president biden has called for a pause, a ceasefire. you've called for humanitarian court, or is you've called for various dimensions to try to give you know, people who are innocent, an opportunity to escape this hell that they're in right now. how do you think that's going? well look, there's a little bit of a battle over words here. a lot of people i get a lot of calls in the office saying why won't you support us these fire? i mean, 1st of all, israel's not going to agree to a cease fire. and if you do that very clear, it may have very clear, but you know,

the, to the secretary general view and his call for a cease fire. lots of others and cough as he's fire, the air of world that was normalizing in, in large part with his real to the abraham, of course is also called for a ceasefire. we have said, we understand israel's not in the conference. he's far look also a lot of arab leaders really want him off taken out. and that's something that that may not resonate with the arch street, but it is a reality. and this complicated part of part of the world, the middle east. but, but here here's the reality, israel's not going to agree to cease fire. and on top of that cease fire really would empowers to moss, a lot of boss allow them time to reconstitute. so what we, what we need fundamentally is not a ceasefire or a humanitarian pause. both terms that suggest we're going to take a break from the fighting, but then we're going to go right back at it the way we've been doing it. now what we need is a civilian evacuation, that's fundamentally what we need. and that's another less than that we learned in iraq and afghanistan. but the less than the civilians in, in palestine have learned is once they evacuate,

they don't get back in. so that's one of the big concerns if you've talked to palestinians on the other side of the equation, those that have gone into jordan, now there's in times of crisis. they can't get back into land se one's had. so what do we do with that fear and, and is there some negotiation, some deal that get civilian evacuation but doesn't result in them not being able to get back into guys uh into their home? no, it's a great question um and what we, what we did in solution for example, the 2nd time range went into felicia. they had evacuated about 90 percent of the civilians. so only 10 percent of the civilians in that entire city were left. when the marines, window exclusion went in, the almost everybody there was tied into the, to the, to the that's right. they made the decision to stay and fight. and so the marines took them out, part of that part of the way we weren't able to facilitate that civilian evacuation is by promising the civilians the residence that they could go, go back that they would be able to return. so you have to have this plan,

you have to be able to lay out your engage danielle, who to talk to your is really friends and folks that you've talked to in the us government's that. that's a very key part. because right now what's happening is the idea and other folks just say, hey, move south, move down. and yet as people have move south, particularly refugee camps, they continue to get bomb in places where they were told to go. because of a commander being somewhere, allegedly, or others. and so the broadside is, how do you, how do you get some element of trust that where they're being sent to go is something that's not gonna end up getting them killed. so i've called for not a ceasefire. but a civilian evacuation, i've also called for not a humanitarian pause and just the us, a temporary association, but a humanitarian search where you don't just bring in the minimum amount of a to southern gaza. you bring in the maximum amount to show the people that if you evacuate, if you move out of the north into the south, you'll not just get

a small bit of aid, you'll get a lot. in other words, it's really worth it for you to make this journey to leave from us behind. a certain senators like senator chris murphy, the senator, chris van, holland. it'd be going to move and said, we need to have some oversight of how the weapons that, that the united states has now provided to israel are being used on the white house has rejected that thus far and said, we don't want to impose any limits on those, do you think there should be some limit? who should, i mean, i think the world looks at the united states as a defender of this really security and security needs. but should there be constraints on what is real can do with our partnership? see if you know everything i've been calling for and this debate in, in, in our conversation today preserves innocent life. it fundamentally helps in this, in palestinians. it also helps is real when it helps israel to feed. i'm off and i think that what the present has been trying to do here is stand staunchly by our

ally, our most important ally in the middle east. that that is, we will allow them to defend their, their territory, but help them do. so in a way that, that is not only morally successful, but militarily successful as well. and i do think that the present is looking for ways to exert more influence over the israel is to, to learn those lessons. the same lessons that i'm, that i'm describing that we learned in iraq and afghanistan, one of those, probably the most paramount being. you have to explain the engage. you have to have a political solution to something that is fundamentally a political problem. you're not, you're not just going to solve this by military means. that means being able to explain to the palestinians what their future is. also means by the way. then yahoo! who's got to be able to explain to his troops what they're fighting for. because i think his soldiers know that if they just go into gaza and leave it a smoldering mess, the end of the day, they're going to be right back where they started. well, that's a forever war. so are we looking at the ingredients today over forever?

one right now on the ground, we have the ingredients of a forever war. and that's not a recipe that any of us want. and so i think that for is real success. also the recipe where a, a, a dad and mother can not go out and justify and think about why their child was killed babbling. and that if you have a forever without it, you know, we don't want any. it's a 5 year old palestinian kids dying in this conflict. we also don't want in this, in 5 year old israel is dying in the same conflict 20 years from now. when they're still fighting. i'm just interested with you have such insight. what is this do in terms of trauma for v as really nation, but also for a guidance and palestinians who have for decades been locked in advice. i mean, steve, i know so many amazing americans,

some of the greatest americans i've never, ever met in my life who fought heroically in iraq and afghanistan and are still haunted by. they made it home, but they're tremendously hobbled by post traumatic stress. and that's going to be a reality for jewish citizens of israel. it's going to be a reality for muslim citizens of palestine. and it is going to be a horrific reality for everyone who's caught up in this conflict. and it's one of the reasons why at the end of the day, we all have to be aligned for peace. i had a guy in the show recently who said, hey, present, white and got 20 trucks of humanitarian relief. and at the beginning of this, he says, a low level state department staff are, can be countered on to get 20 trucks. is the president united states who got 20 trucks of relief, which is pathetic. i mean, i mean, part of the question is, is, is joe biden being made to look pathetically weak when it comes to interactions with israel? no, i don't think so. i mean, is real,

is gone through the greatest national tragedy in its history and present bite and made them significantly, delay their ground to solve, to try to influence them on how they carry it out. i think this could be a lot worse if not for present and by biden's involvement today. what do you think the geo political dimensions of this are stuff? when we talked last, we talked about the ukraine war in russia and the failure of determinants. you worry about asia, the signals that some of the sent around the world and their concerns now that china is testing the dashboard of america is attention span across things is the world. sensing america is distracted sort of off off. it's a game that it can't handle this many of hot conflicts around the world. and i think we're showing the world right now that we can the we can handle this number of conflicts but, but there are real risks there. real risk there real risk that the conflict in gaza

expands dramatically into a regional war in the middle east. they're real risks that the message that seizing pain takes women from looking at ukraine is the americans are going to stick with their democratic allies at prudent might eventually win this war. and that means i can get away with starting a war in the pacific over taiwan. so there are real risks and, and for everyone who's quick to criticize the united states and different things that we do in different parts of the world. it's also important to understand that the united states is pretty much holding this altogether. we're preventing a regional war in the middle east. with our presence, we're preventing vladimir putin from rolling over ukraine and rolling right into into a european war with nato. and every single day, we're sending a message to seizing ping and china do not invade democratic taiwan. don't start world war 3 in the pacific. let me ask you about prime minister netanyahu. if you were to have a conversation with him about what an en game would look like, and he's come out and said that every aspect of gauze and security is now going to

be in israel's hands to. um, i don't want to just critique feminist brittany netanyahu. i want to understand what's the pathway to getting to something where both sides can see hope during a time of rates. really on both sides can begin looking at something that looks like a sensible and can't because somebody's got to begin doing that. what would you counsel him to do in this moment? i would say, mr. prime minister, i understand how furious you are. i understand how angry your people are, but the right thing to do for every is really kid, the right thing to do for every palestinian kid is to find a new solution of political land game that both sides can believe that both sides were both sides. can find peace and that means you've got to convince palestinian innocent civilians and is rarely used as well. that there is a better way. i think that's a 2 state solution, but it's a re invigorated to 2 state solution. it's a new commitment from

a prime minister who has been fundamentally opposed to a 2 state solution for a long time to actually make it happen. united states is no longer looked at by many palestinians that also arabs has a fair broker in that. i've been watching turkey and, and uh present air to one, and his strong support both of from us, but of the palestinian side of the question. the turkeys and nato ally of the united states. is there an opportunity there? you could actually, we shuffle the traditional players, they've been trying to negotiate a deal and, and try and look at turkey's better impulses as, as a defender of if interest on the palestinian side and the united states on these really side or do we still need to maintain, i would, i would call a fiction that we can be fair to be fair to both sides. well, look, i think a lot of people rightly asked us. i mean, how can you just advocate for a 2 state solution when this hasn't worked for decades? so i think one of the things that changed in the middle east is you now have arab states, places like saudi arabia, the gulf states that actually wants to have dialogue with israel. i mean,

israel has been pre, so in peace with his error of neighbors. let's turn that into action. let's turn these agreements into real differences on the ground. i think that if israel finds a way with our help to get arab states involved in a 2 state solution, ultimately ensuring its success that's before believable for everybody. congressman seth molten massachusetts. thank you so much for joining us today and sharing your candid views. thank. thank you, steve. so what's the bottom line grievances dr. rage and rage drives killing and the diem and ization of the other. the latest about a range between his realities and palestinians was triggered by her ma surprise attack on his really military and civilian targets. but history just didn't start on october 7th. and just as for palestinians has been simmering for many decades and combined with deep polarization within israel, there were many factors that led to this explosive situation. now wage is gushing.

and my guess today a former soldier with experience says that leaders need to be leaders. they need to see through the rage, they need to find ways to articulate this for their citizens and in game a reasonable, even if painful equilibrium that gives both society is a chance to reset. it's almost impossible to talk about a peaceful future now, but it's a vital part of leadership. that's something that palestinians is really americans, everybody desperately needs. and that's the bottom line. the, the house on this structure was actually destroyed in 2003. and the reason for that is that, sorry i made was actually convicted and sentenced to 7 live sentences by his paws in the killing of his right and soldiers with these rays. this is a,

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