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hello. the on james bay's the situation and gaza has become so bad that helps to forward his content. but that because israel is attacked communication networks, no financial figure can ever be put on the lives lost all the many, many palestinians injured by is ready palms and bullets weapons supplied by the u. s. u k. and the countries the economic cost of israel's relentless on sloth is not yet known. but there's no doubt it will be a mens media from around the world. a per trained garza is a place of also devastation, but that mosques is vibrant community and is resilience for which from years is riley, hostility, blockades, and attacks. and it's reflected in cost as businesses vital for its people like the health service. both sectors have been in the following line, and the destruction is affecting everyone. and what about you have done it. so it does. there's a shortage of brad's guns that has been without electricity for a month, to can live without electricity. we have no fresh water, everything,
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and because i was running outs, electricity brands, everything garza is suffering under was watching for how long for how long. yeah, and that would be something that i should've given that we'd been up since doing queuing for bridge. we go out in the morning to charge, i'll find batteries and find food for our children. we can't bear any more of this . how long do we have to live like this? none of the arab leaders cares. no one cares about us. you know, when i got a ton, i wonder why you wouldn't be. there's no water in the school. sewage is everywhere . we're surrounded by dirt. none of these bathrooms work. none of these restrooms. i clean and there's no food and nothing to drink. what should we do? what should we do? find a solution for god's sake. we need a ceasefire. while the u. n is released to report on the impact of israel's war on the policy and people in both cause. i'm the west bank. it says the physical destruction is causing an economic disaster. i think off the one month of this war now unfolding. first of all,
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what is quite is that on top of the humanitarian crisis that the world has seen on fold in gaza right now. we also are beginning to see that the development crisis that follows the increase in poverty rates and the loss of gdp, the destruction in terms of infrastructure, housing units to well, let's take a look at some of the findings of that you and development programs report. it says, ready strikes, have destroyed or damaged nearly haul off of old houses in garza and 1500000 promised indians, many of whom are already refugees of being forced from that homes. more than 40 percent of schools, colleges and universities have been damaged or destroyed, meaning $625000.00 students have no access to education. 2 thirds of gauze is hospitals and health care centers to being forced to shut down. many were directly targeted by his right strikes in 5 weeks about 390000 palestinians have lost their
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jobs and properties projected to sol between 20 and 45 percent of the un says if the will continues into a 3rd month. unemployment will nearly double pushing an additional $660000.00 people into poverty. well, let's discuss all of this symbol with all panel of gas and dough. how we have time a call moved. he's from garza and his assistant professor of public policy at the bow institute for graduate studies. in istanbul, we have helene sarah, tom to a patient for him. policy specialist, an associate professor of international relations of the a symbol, me down to eat university and also in doha salton. barbara cast a professor of public policy at the how much the been kelly for universities. also, the also of the report off to the conflict reconstruction and development in the optim off of war. we clearly have the right experts to discuss this subject. but before i talk about the devastating economic effects,
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i think we need to remember that the death toll is continuing to mount time up to you 1st, a really grim moment, i think in a, in this conflict. because for the 1st time, the ministry of health and garza, because of the situation in the hospitals and garza city because of the communication problems, they not been able to update the death toll figures. so for now it seems the dead in gaza on people being counted. hey, jim split suddenly. yes, that's the, that's the reality now. and guys, and there is no communication with the ministry of health or with hospitals. and the situation is obviously very direct senior diet and by this and also more or less the national community so far as failed government, many times to bring the ceasefire uh on entrance of necessity aids
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on even helping uh, creating safe, uh, humidity. in a corner. those for about a student has to be able to leave what evacuated and name it. it's a, it's a, it's, you know, to be up on a scene and in these modern times it's um, it's something hot but a soon as i'm paying got a really heavy price on how difficult is it for you coming from gaza watching this from a fall because these are family and friends. yes, james, from any friend, spencer, only, i've worked the almost 70. he doesn't guys that with the united nations development program, which has which its own at the corporate. so i've been bumped to the, it's located mixed ownership house, but the and i had been in charge of the major the construction of projects in the gaza strip. i have seen the peaceful times of guys that i've seen also, and i've left the conflict and deconstructing goals or times and gaza. so i know i know every aspect of it. i know that the self funding people went through and i
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know also that human leaping situation and, and you wouldn't get fixed up your commission, which never brought any sense of normality to guidance to salt on when we look at the devastation, the humanitarian part of the united nations as 45 percent of gauze homes that might have been destroyed or damaged. and then we look, we see those pictures of people who are moving with small backpacks moving from one part of garza to another. not knowing where anywhere is safe, trying to find some sort of shelter, the kind of figures from the un, or over 1500000 people internally displaced. but i've also seen reports that these rated government, they were told it's 1700000 to yes, well i could be, i mean, to figure out whether it's 1.5 or 1.7. it's beyond the ability of any nation to immediately rebuild advocates or for the emotional needs of these populations.
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even when you have your boarders often and you have the international community coming to your house, we just need to look at how long it took a can just like turkey to recover from. they meet at the aftermath of the earthquake or morocco recently and measure accordingly in the context of guys are the biggest problem with always remain. the daughter siege of the, of the area is rather continues to hold the control over the, the aerospace, the watch ways and the access from the sea and, and land. and will make it difficult as we have all and with this and made it impossible for him to do and assistance to come. and as soon as they start thinking of free building, they will come in also to make it very, very difficult for material and goods to come in for the purpose of reconstruction . and this is one of the reasons why in your introduction you will refer to the cumulative damage and gossip that some of the damage that's occurred as a back in 2009 is still being dealt with. it hasn't taught to the cupboards from
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that for now, not to mention the bombings that followed in 2014 to 2021 and so on. so we have a unique situation in the world where you have a population. now, 2200000 people or 2500000 people in a very dense does the populated area where their own and to be who is subjecting them to this bivens is also being asked to help in its reconstruction. and we can discuss this maybe in more detail later in the, in our discussion. lean um you heard the salt and talked about the example we're remember earlier this year of that was quite, that struck syria and took care of that was an a pulling natural disaster. here we have a humanitarian emergency where things are continuing and those trying to flee are
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being targeted. and that targeting continues. yeah, i 2 months and maybe years you previously in turkey and it's not already settled in the 1st place, songs to reconstruct the cities to turn the in bay of living into a normal situation. and emotionally, people aren't. there was faces as well in, in such places. so i can't imagine what the people in gaza are feeling and you know, going to in these very difficult days. a porter that's the case. and this has been the case for a 1000 people for so many years. it's just a conflict more than 75 years. and as for several times they went to such kind of crimes, such the x, x, x, x, y, a prime. and unfortunately, we are, which is the and one of them, again time, uh, we're talking about the destruction that we're seeing. the pictures we're seeing
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buildings gone, a wasteland. i've been interested in your when you look at those pictures, what as a golf and do you think because they don't just buildings all they've, this is the history, this is the culture of the heritage of goss with this being destroyed. oh, of course it is. i mean, i mean obviously is what i need is uh, uh, demolishing. i mean prospects for uh, for uh, you know, uh for the guidelines to uh, to come back to resilience to themselves. i mean, when you look at the scale of this destruction and knowing that the guys a is an open data present and includes an every piece of, uh, every meter of some and every house, every, the citizen facility and the hold up is being has been demolished, so far that the sticky speaking, reconstructing guys after this war in,
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in the norman setup with the axis of aids, is not going to stick to it. it's like that is right and as know everything. uh, a good thing over aid. it might pick use, you know, i mean as, as my country from 30 said, i mean even in 13 which is a normal country which has also to see best assistance and, and have from many other nations. been coping with dr. math of this quick. what we're seeing does isn't f would, but it's a man made disaster by these ladies. and for me it's, it's, that's it. i mean, i, i, again, i mean to, to, to discuss the future of guys and the possibilities of reconstructing it. it's hard to talk about it without stopping discussing the scenarios on how this will when ends in gaza. because then when i come from a knowing these ladies and also the complicit positions of the community, including many doughnuts don't provide the assistance of the students and select to be sure was where money should go and what it should not go. uh, this, this,
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i mean, it all depends really on, on how what did this, what end i mean if it ends with i'm still empowered. busy i think the misery will continue, and i have to say it's a lump lead. uh because uh, it's what i will be. what have up control over the process so far? what they have publicly the clear visit i is the the that the and visit a future without thomas, i don't think don't be able to achieve it. but the thing is, if this war ends with the same pri, best at the school, plus the best destruction and loss and lives. and is what i like in the leap and still control of i need to tell people such a positive. we're talking about even a more than just sit on your of doesn't being emptied slowly from its own people because the living conditions and invitations. the, it's what i would put on this subsidy construction process would make it so hard for people to stay for long and wait for a to come and to regain
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a normal life. again, salt on. we clearly don't know how this is going to end, but i do think we probably reached a pretty important stage in this halfway not now. because israel has seems to have succeeded in shutting down the hospitals. in ga, the goal is a city. the last place is okay and refuge in the north. and we're now seeing these thousands of people have been intimidated to leave homes. one assumes because of israel stay today to, to, to destroy how miles this means. even more bombardment and destruction is likely on the way for goals. a city very soon. a yes, i mean it looks like good to know has know, made up his mind to slice off the 20 percent of the land that you didn't know so because of which includes much of that goes a city and he would probably have to turn that into a no man's land as security is own, similar to the one is right created in 11 in the following,
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the invasion of from 1980 to 1992. and this was that, and maybe this is where he was referring to the top down security control within that particular sector. so that she pushes the resistance as far as possible from the main cities of time to even ask along. and then from there, he would want to exercise further incursions into the rest of guys a to, to provide that for, for security. as he again, as he pointed to have the ability to make sure that security is how long within, within guys and the mean author and some guys are to as well. now of course, this is his own scenario and uh, it is very, i need to say whether he'd be able to achieve it or not. but to get to that point, that he is having to destroy much of, of steri. i mean, now we're talking about almost 50 percent of the of the housing stock. i suspect
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probably more. and the infrastructure to talk to the is, is not to go in and hospitals, schools. all those people that use pushed out to northern guys of have no temporary refugee camps to just see cartridges. there's most of them are in schools, which means that we have a whole generation of to school now and given the speed in which things happening, guys, when they take refuge, is closer take another year, year and a half to get them out to schools into their apparent housing and so on. so i do cation is out of the equation for a long, long time to come. and of course, the unemployment continues be very high and will get to worst because of the siege . the normal conflicts of reconstruction, connectivity to the rest of the world is very, very important. and in terms of allowing not just the capacities and discounts to come in to have it back to solve. but also the material is, it's very few places around the world on self sufficient,
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in the sense that they can generate the on reconstruction the hardware. so by cutting this eh, connectivity to the rest of the world, whatever trans i thought for what you guys are going to be twice as difficult and appropriate, might take and will take a long, long time to implement, which has been the case of the as it was saying idea and the experience of god, this is 2009. well let's look at the previous full was in gaza. the sense the cycle of damage has cost billions of $1.00 to $3.00. we will that began in december 2008 and ended in january 2009 cost destruction amounting to $2000000000.00. that's according to the world bank. i'm out says the 8 days was right. the attacks in 2012 cost cause $1200000000.00. $4.00 to $6000000.00 was the estimated cost of rebuilding cause of the 2014 and the damage and economic losses from these riley attacks in 2021 amounted to more than half
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a $1000000000.00 helene, just remind us in the past who was being one of the main countries involved in the efforts to rebuild goals, or i know you're running country way, use it to p a is one of them. and our other guests are all speaking from cots, all which is another one of the major funders in the past. that's correct and i see to see has increased its capacity loss. this very is a high amount of a form, a mistake. and the sun has been always in the for a c o c times she's the funded by the number syria for monday, a. and the 3rd one is sell a son, especially the countries for receiving form a from turkey for next week. and i would like to once again on the line this thursday is to do with us, but we construct it goes out of course, plus there's an irony here i'm supposed to receive that in all the prison. i know
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honors showing clearly his reaction against what is right and 3 against the 1000 people at the same time. he's also choosing a council language. although the, the amongst the told him that he's using a guess he's vice a slight increase to lie, can say that he is quite careful of loss in words. that is because we and many other countries who are giving they are sold the a cost to the people of guns out to make their lives better. unfortunately has to deal with is violence or 1st. so we have to keep the contact reserve. our contact is so much time with these lines in order to do something for the people who are stuck in gaza. that's the the, that, that brings me to what we saw. that is why make arab league summit that took place in the re add and you mentioned the comments of present a one he's calling on israel to foot the bill for the reconstruction and god. so
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let's listen to what he had to say. i said, point a compensation. it is one of the factors that is a, is acting direct leslie is that it on every occasion, they escape payment of compensation for aids and every crime they commit from destruction to the killing is a must pay compensations. it is like a favor, the cut, the boy. yeah, it's good. the accusing is around it being a spoiled child time of that and saying that israel should pay reparations. that's not gonna happen. is it? as long as there is more international when to make it sort of accountable for these uh for this crime 0. yeah, of course a lot happened. i mean, so far, i mean it, since the creation of both more 19901949. that's how much i mean it has been
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committed to funding and supporting, you know, the creation of, of, of us being and institutions to, in the hope to achieve the betterment of the a piece. you know, a good thing to apartment b some subject. but as soon as the states and billions of dollars have been invested in this project, not only from fed up to you, i mean data opinion and is a, is a major during the us as a don't of japan out of countries as nomic countries. but the problem is that since the creation of also, it is what has been more or less behaving as if it's in that occupation. 5 starters moment, like keeping a compression does not cost isn't anything because there is a sort of poverty which is the doing what it was on the national community 1000000000 for the bill. and the whole idea of also was built around a 5 fuse timeframe where it should lead to dependent but as soon as dates and then
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it will be consolidated on supporting a by the soonest date. but because of the piece of process, this has never been the case. so what that will happen, what happens is a fairly decent process that have started from $194910.00. no, you still have the donors committed to open it up on the screen as a defense on methane of your patient. so it's a better consumption and stuff to school. what is it and fields, it's at ease of doing anything, targeting people, targeting it for structure, and this tax money that comes from $1.00 of the lower the products paid the europeans periodontics paid. it's wasted, and no one is able to put it. i can make it a little a comfortable for this. so yes, if there is any hope that the piece of process would be divided, hopefully after the end of this more then should be up. how do you see the question about the mission community on ensuring that there is no soft testing as a free aids? and that is right and should be also accountable for that it's all good to go to
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say otherwise. i don't know. so all then for what president or don't say it's for is that is between the prize they should be comfortable and pay us would pay for whatever they inflict on kind of thing is being compensation for victims, beer compensation for the rest of the infrastructure name. it's, i know also a james that a, something goes. so we have to talk about this with just also get the mass email just end up in a steamy and political life. also as a democrat, democratically elected movement because there was an election of 2006 and the community appraised. i've left the selections and it was described as i'm, and as a, as a, as a democratic what a show at dollars also the kind of go and pick and choose when it comes to happening. but the thing is there should be no discrimination when it comes to a bass. all right, let me, let me, let me bring in a soul to now just on reconstruction in the past, because i know you've done a lot of work in this, and i'm getting
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a bit technical here. but that was something called the gauze reconstruction mechanism. can you tell me how that, how to put reconstruction in the past? right. so that ticket as it was introduced in the aftermath of 2014. and it was intended to ensure that the, the building meant to coming into gaza does not have dual use. now the words cannot be used to manufacture weapons. so student pipes, uh, a lot of, uh de la items in general. uh, sigmund, since i could not come into the gaza strip unless is writing verifies where every piece goals. and there's a very sophisticated mechanism it was run by the united nations as supervised also by uh the you uh as well. and an agreement with the posting on us already. and it allows us drives to follow every piece of equipment where it ended up in which
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building. exactly. this is how, how, how sold and how did that hinder the reconstruction efforts? a while it's, it has been made, it takes to really slow to bring material and, and, and such a, you know, you couldn't treat the lineup people to be able to do the work in a timely fashion. it also made it to the extremely expensive when you have a sees like that, we have any kind of concept of scarcity sort of sense and everything that you, that you, you can get to hands on and gas so it becomes $10.00 to $10.00 times as expensive as anywhere else outside goes up. now, before 2014, there was a booming reconstruction phase between 2009. right, well the executive side that may be 11 and 12 under mercy, one more c was the president in egypt. he turned a blind eye to the tunnels that the palestinians had established between gaza and the egypt introductory. and there was at the p going about $300.00 of them and they
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were able to smuggle in a lot of material when she reflected extremely positively on the economy inside. guys have particular unemployment construction or reconstruction is the main form of employment for young men in gaza. and it's been going into into, into peaks every now and then. but in general, this is what people can do and that's confinement is let me bring it. let me bring in tyler again. now, if i can time, i want to go back to that summit in re add because that was a can only imagine is that that summit of islamic and arab leaders could have made apparently in the preparatory measures, they were talking about all sorts of payments, punitive measures against israel, cutting diplomatic and economic ties, leveraging arab energy and financial power against israel banning is riley croft from arrow bass bass. and they didn't degree any of it. your reaction. i'm not surprised at all, james. i mean, let's go back in a city. remember that the 1982 caesar flipping on the seizure of the piano,
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invited with when is that an inverted live in a? uh, uh, uh, to get type of the piano. uh, at that time we only have one other company that had the blue methics relations with is that it which was egypt which it with too much of the peace agreements with these are often $9073.00. and most of the countries the did not have any. the 2 met the conditions. what is that understood? they failed to do anything to have the piano. okay. um, we know how much time is the time of we tell them we don't know which time we'll what, what didn't happen to react. if you could address that very quickly at most out of country, especially the ones that have normalized diminishes. what is it in the physical interest of what the, what's the scene an interest your reaction please. so tom, to what happened to that summit? i agree. i think it was a missed opportunity to come out with a single voice that to present data. but most of nations,
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similar to the one they exercised in the un general assembly, even though they came together and they managed to get that as illusion to the minimum, to that being to cut, to political diplomatic relations with israel. i think they should have also and introduced the possibility of a comic sanctions and also uh maybe uh, some kind of thing with the, with the on prices which will then make the united states think twice about the unwavering support that's now giving to, to his ro, are signs to all of you for joining us today. all guess what time a call moved. helena sarah, all the time and salt and barrel cat out to 0 will keep following the war on goals around the cloth. you can also find more context and analysis on a website, which is there a dot com. if you got your own comments, we'd like to hear from you go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story on x. that's the form of twitter. find as, as a inside story from the james page and the team here in doha. stay safe and i'll
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see you very soon, bye for now. the to me and tell us the size of this massive is really a top sirens going off warning citizens that are heading this way. for me, even hospitals, i'm not yet protected from the is what i'm going on with several 100 people and the numbers are growing all the time. so the victims of the attack a lot to the hospital and god 5 is requesting congress, provide a 100000000000 and security funding for 6 meetings. still no resolution still no unified. there's so many politicians want to be the republican party is candidate for the any stand
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