20031.4000000 people just place the we were just effective. for sure. community and goals are being targeted. no one is saying everyone is david cameron stung breton when he quit his prime minister after the breaks referendum. now he's triggered another pl disclose quake making a shop with him and his phone secretary follows the sacking of an interior minister who tried and failed to suppress major demonstrations and supportive policy ends in gaza. so what does this mean for you take policy at home on the road. this is inside store, the

hello that i can change the space that can be few comebacks and british political history. as dramatic as david cameron's return to government is departure off losing the brakes that referendum in 2016 was spectacular. as is his shock appointment as the new u. k. foreign minister. foreign affairs will be his business, giving him a job no one expected. he feels a cabinet seat left empty off to the home secretary or interior minister. so a problem and was psyched for writing a newspaper article accusing police in london to bring to lead with pro policy. and protest is an estimated 300000 people marched on saturday and supportive garza and against is really aggression. that was off to the chief of the metropolitan police, said the march could go ahead despite buttons opposition. cameron joins the government, led by wishy sumac with his conservative party, languishing in the opinion, polls behind labor and with an election due in the next year. the do you need to

turn around as dramatic as cameron's or to, to stay in power? in a statement on x, fully known as twitter, cameron said, well, i've been out of front line politics for the last 7 years. i had my experience with assist me in helping the prime minister. though i may have disagreed with some individual decisions, it's clear to me that richey snack is a strong and capable prime minister. i want to help him to deliver the security and prosperity our country needs to be part of the strongest possible team that serves the united kingdom. so how will cameron's appointments shape britain this published, has domestically and overseas will be discussing, oldest with all x, but panel shortly top of is in try will be his position on the war on gauze with the u. k. b, one of israel storage is darlise biggest supplies then as rushes will in ukraine, where britain plays a similar role back in keith, repairing relations with your upfront vented by bricks, it will be another major issue. and then that's a so cool, special relationship with us. that's badly in need, robot of repair,

having freight during the fight and presidency. and bar is johnson's time in downing street. well that spring, you know, a panel of guests to discuss this in london, we have alex dean, conservative commentator and a former conservative party aid. and don d, that's the result of form, a news and tv present as she's also an old winning journalist and scottish independence activist. and in london, 10 by old professor of politics at queen mary university of london. he's a former deputy director of u. k. in a changing europe. thank you for joining us. all of you. uh, this was the best kept secret savings in the u. k. new? no one sort coming. i'm alex, you know, david cameron, well, i do have any hint of this. it seems a political bombshell. a speed was a real surprise, a rabbit, out of the hat from the prime minister. and i think an indication that people didn't know it was coming, not least, david cameron didn't know it was coming. is that for me 5 minutes to have cost wise

to say about the government's position on a chest to a high speed rail network. and only last month, if he knew he was going to be lined up for a time to governments as far as the secretary, i dare say he would not have been saying not about the government policy. so i think this is a true surprise to everyone concerned outside of downing street, including david cameron. leslie, i'm a, i a full, i'm a prime minister then becoming a minister in a cabinet. that's something that happens in europe. i'm just not something i've heard of in the u. k before. well, apparently, that have been assessed in the former prime ministers and preston who become ministers and a subsequent government. but coming back to this question of whether it's a surprise or not, i mean, certainly when that criticism was that they don't, they, at the monitors their conference last month. that's one thing. but the speed with which david cameron has been made a lord and now joined the state largest on the like to chamber in the world. and

the speed that that's happened that suggests that actually that has been a few days, at least in the may, can. there's a lot of speculation, not that a big decision that is coming on weapons stay in boston, where the supreme court decides on the legality of the governments. rwanda plans for, for of immigrants, for, for migrant that plan perhaps is going to get vetoed by the supreme court. that would have been very difficult to have swell abraham and a place since that was her plan. and perhaps she would have been campaigning for preston to leave the european convention on human rights. so she could just go ahead with that anyway. the thought snelson art komrasky, so not good want. so se, so all of this coming on who knew it was, who knew it was at the back of this. it might have been for a few days, at least everyone knew behind the scenes that this was all happening. to him, i'd like to discuss all of what's coming up in a moment, but i'd like to look back because it was 2016 when david cameron quit as prime

minister the man responsible for one of the most impactful foreign policy changes in the u. k. breaks it now i'm not going to pronounce on breaks it, but i know you have strong views on practice. it, but it was a great political mistake, wasn't it? of david cameron to cool a referendum that he ended up losing. this is an amazing come back as well. suddenly if you will, the renee side of that particular debate, you will have very mixed feelings. i think about the decision to colorado, run the data perhaps to have your camera himself. so certainly it was a big gamble on his part and clearly as you say, a gamble that he lost. i think when he resigned the day off the brakes that referendum, most people felt that he was on his way out of politics for ever. so it would have been a huge surprise for most of us, i think for him to come back, don't lease because actually he is generally speaking, stayed out of politics for the duration of alex mentioned,

the intervention he made on high speed rail bus. really, one of the few interventions he's ever made since 2016. he spent most of his time quite controversial. nice on what side? making as much money as he could buy freebies, ma'am. was um, through various lo, be adjusted he's had, i don't think you know that the last a will come up. i think now in terms of, you know, the debates over whether david cameron is the right person for this job. i don't think that would make much difference to his international co total cases, but i think kat domestically that will be a bit of an issue. i think. so i'll be looking back at some of the things that were written in 2016 when you step down. many people said you look like a broken man then to well, i think one of the great changes for his politics and this is to, on both sides of the aisle, is wasting talents and wasting people of experience to get through it or to

describe people politics in the fifty's. now sometimes they may choose that path, rather mold the notice who are assigned to it by others. but i think bringing people who's got a good set of experience it is useful. but i think particularly burying him on the tunnel on which side i now to david comer. and it's one of the few names and british politics that will really have international residents. and i think furthermore, that this is really the only jump that he would return to politics to do, you know, he's not a jumping scrapping member of a cabinet to might be doing transpose. who might be getting often doing the education breed. he has were tons of politics because he knows a good deal about foreign affairs. and this is a jump that i think seem suited to, i would say to give him go what, what leslie said, it's twice into the memory that this has happened from a prime ministers returning out a couple of she did this to protect teeth when we would negotiating with your more recent legal carrington without far and secretary it wasn't 5 minutes to but it was from the house of lords for margaret facts. you say it's not, you know,

it's not vac common. on the other hand, it's not out with any kind of experience either what you say. so it's not that common, but to me i remember load counter and counting 10, but i, you know, i don't remember a u. k prime minister coming back as a cabinet minister in my lifetime and i'm nearly 57 years old. let's go to lord carrington leslie because he is an example of a someone trying to do the job before and secretary, well, so if you're in the house of lords, because we know talking about lord camera not way. how difficult is that politically? because you have to engage with members of parliament. he has to have like a standing in the house of commons. is that right? yes, that's right. and it means that them pays kind of directly question the foreign secretary at the time when there are to essentially world wars that are there's an extraordinary time to not be able to have that direct connection with someone in such an important post. so i mean, that's already gathering at the head of steam. i appreciate that. i mean there's,

you know, that the risk of being a little controversial with the alex. i don't think this is a technocratic sort of game, almost where someone that's being a pretty good player like a whole football monitor can lose that you open in one team, a get pushed rondon prompts to a decent job somewhere else. this is meant to be a democracy and the thing that lots of people in preston and scotland particularly will not forgive david cameron for is introducing austerity for 10 pointless years, which has left measurably a people worse off of those actually minus to reverse life expectancy. and breath, and it was not bought on impactful. and already the headlines are starting to run. what will happen about welfare? i know that's not his department, but it brings that whole nasty party thing a live again for lots of people who felt they they last start and present last item to him. tim, he's taking this job in part because the sooner because decides this side because the interior, minnesota home secretary sweller problem and she's been

a deeply controversial figure. just bring a audience up to speed and some of the things she said, because one of the most recent comments was about those garza marches and we saw so many people on the streets of london. she described those as hate marches to yeah, solutions place is very hard cultural, controversial remarks about people who but also to to use the fire chief who was the bro costing, you know, as you say, it was a pay boxes uh those remarks i think plus the fact that many people felt that she had criticize the police for not finding the big box in london that took place on saturday, really dated. i think uh, bring the control as a to a new boy in point. i think many people felt uh, remarks. well, necessarily inflammatory. she, on the other hand, i think feels very strongly about the issue, genuine they, but every thing she does is also saying, but you know, wrongly and probably by the,

for the latest date issue, foundations, i think many people feel the conservative policy is probably going to these the next election to be held in 2024. that sort of probably been east coast to be thinking about how to best position herself in order to take over from richard. so you'd actually, he resign off to that election. many of every box are clearly designed to appeal to if you like the all thoughts area and rights of the consent to policy. that membership in particular, which of course has the final say in any leadership context. so i think, you know, there was a degree to which people felt by the end actually, the sort of problem was always trying to get herself students to microsoft on kind of mall, to distance herself from a shift that many people think is going to go down in the next year was a alex, you know how the conservative policy works, how much of a night, mary, she for the prime minister outside the conservative party. we also learned that the

rates coffee who was the environment set country and the former deputy prime minister was also resigned. i think on breath and then has more of the following in the policy, the entries, coffee it does with no disrespect meant to the doctor. i think that this, there is danger to the government from the back benches and people usually going to become on those back benches. no longer ministers, a small from. so i brought them in rough of and that's raise coffee and we'll see her resignation speech either in a day or 2 or next week. and that will give us an indication of the kind of person she wants to be. now that she's out of government, i always think it's a bit costs for people to say x a wildside is trying to speak on behalf of this group and a policy will that uh, that section of a policy rather than thinking or perhaps just perhaps is what they actually think and it is possible and of somebody looking at the situation on the streets of london of late and be acost at the failure of lord forestman. she swore it to ensure that protest was laura biding without hate speech and respecting the room

was lowered in this country, including not wearing masks of protests, which many thousands of people did it possible that out then home secretary was actually having to be saying what she thought rather than trying to narrow it costs to some parts of the conservative policy. and if that's the case, i would say that she was speaking with a lot of people in this country with thinking as well. of course, one of the other thing she said was sending assign them see because through wanda was a dream, an obsession. we've already touched on it last week. briefly. the government faces quite an important decision by the u. k. supreme court on wednesday on whether that is law full. could that turn out to be the next problem facing the u. k. prime minister as well? yeah, absolutely. and if it does, does it does, it may seem a go against the government. so the, the policy doesn't work. so the discussions kind of to really think again about the whole strategy on migration. but i mean the level of kind of a position of the reasons and across breast. so naturally too many of similar

problem is all stanzas is pretty enormous. and when we're talking about these marches, that were the final provocation, if you like, inflammatory space comans by a by see, while a problem via home secretary, you've got to remember that a 126 people were arrested from the far right. protecting the senate off, which is at the center of london, a special place of remembrance, which was nowhere near where the large, the peaceful palestinian demonstration was going. now i've been on, on those pro palestine demonstrations in scotland. this is going to be like the, the protests over the pool talks in britain and over the iraq war where people keep trying to ignore the, the, almost a majority of the population want to see spar in palestine and preston. that cannot be express. but we have these games being played by the british government trying to distract us all from a terrible crisis. let's look now at what all this could mean for

u. k. foreign policy. tim, i mean, normally you case foreign policy set by the prime minister on the cabinet, follow it, but do you think that will be different with the next prime minister as leader with this individual take on these issues? do you think you'll have an out sized sway in this particular case to? well, i think alex is right to suggest the camera has if you like a great contacts book, you know, he has really good relations with someone picks me well still in fact, probably just isn't leaders for his time in office. i'm going down hurry much, whether he will in particular drawing british foreign policy in any direction to reach you. so you're not himself for the cabinet with what type of thing. mostly the biggest agenda item will be israel, palestine, i'm the attendance on the part of the british come to exercise. so leverage if you'd like. uh, what is riley's doing well maintained you're

a very strong styles against us. and then the other big agenda royce, and before we go for gold about really for awhile that we shouldn't have copies of you, craig and russia very good. and i think we continue to see brett and take a very, very strong style. so the off of you, craig, i think the interesting thing will be relationships with the european union actually versus the next on quite so not himself to he or some of the divisions between the u. k. you disagree or with all the full data cameras, could play quite an important and involve your role in that respect. it's alex, let me go further on garza, here's a quote from 2010, the beginning of david cameron's time and office. the situation in garza has to change cause a candle and must not be allowed to remain a prison camp yet. he also was the prime minister in 20122014. when the what is

riley was on garza and he was pretty supportive of his ro, i'm sorry, alexis really was on calls or is the kind of language that i wasn't expecting for you. i mean, it's a, is why it was a tax on outside of the 7th and the most appalling way people seem willing to brush, raise the rates in a way that i seem to be waiting to accept in the same way that it's being said on this channel that, you know, the inflammatory woods were from out home secretaries, so that a problem and, and, and also cool rather than death to old jews, child sit on the streets of london that last week on trending on switzerland, in the united kingdom. alex alex's alex, of a for one. why is why says, why is that no send is a why is it and also alex in israel war on john. so there are 11000 people for the whole thousands of the machine that you're trying to just do. you start cheryl saying, no, i'm not showing the offices you use. don't know if you're sure you're shouting at me now. i'm not sure what single listening will realize your voice and you don't need to. it's important we remain civil and maintain the ability to disagree, politely and separately, even on things on which we disagree. profile a great,

a great, a great. so why is it not? israel is more on gaza when there are 11000 people killed. and these riley's community name a number of about a 100 of how much lead us they can actually name and there are 4 and a whole 1000 children. and then what, how much flight is you'll, you'll, you'll take us festival come from. how may i subscribe to terrorist organization in the country i'm speaking to you from? secondly, israel is perfect entitled to defend itself against the time of the world protest. i'm but so, roost outside an organization that led to the personal murder of many so many of its citizens. i didn't realize most of flies in any way, you know, country is obliged to hold back when seeking to ensure its own safety. and israel's, the only country in the world expected to act with some kind of magnanimity and restraint. when seeking to defend itself from hunting being attacked beyond the no mistake. this was, this was started by how may i know by israel in any way. and the fact that you

phrased it in the way that you did. i think he's right. telling leslie, what's your take on this? because i've spoken on this program to numerous international lawyers about this. and they believe israel is in breach many times of international humanitarian law. and what it's doing, despite what may have happened on october the 7th. yes. and i think the position here, our own 1st minister and scotland homes, that use of had relatives that were in gone. so for 4 weeks, phoning every day. not expecting to actually see the following day. the boeing was so intense, but he mountainous mountains to keep a kind of even side on this respect to the jewish muslim communities in scotland. absolutely. hamas committed the 1st 4 crime on october the 7th. but we're not in a situation where i think people would be struggling actually to think that what's happening, not on lots of cards. listen to the news. there's a hospital with babies dying are, and i'm pleading for some, either for fuel to keep the ventilator is going or for an escort to take them

across to egypt. that'd be, there's nothing that's more powerful than children babies. when it comes to everybody across the world, realizes there's an impasse here that has to change. not israel might well field vengeful might well feel it task to defend itself. the job with the international community is to come in a place a different templates on, but i grew up in northern ireland. this desire for striking back does not get to anywhere in the long term. and the long term is what the rest of the international community should be concerned about. tony to you now to him and the camera in the, in the you. because clearly he knows all the big players that they gonna say, isn't that great having someone we know this great statesman formally the back or are they going to say, oh no, it's the mound that brought us breaks it to how well i think it will be divided on that i do think however, the most european need is to regards the cameras as. ready a statesman, at least,

i think, even though fairly made a very big mistake, i'm going over breaks it. feel the same way. i think, well, i would say about david cameron trying to give you an issue for the place probably falls through much reliance on job an a for example, as a means of the u. k. getting what it welts out of the you. i hope you will make that mistake again. i say, i hope that david cameron has something said that is less than about way to the you actually works on the will that he will actually say more about the you as a collect say for all the serious, if you like, of a government's trying to a degree, i think that's an incredibly important that i said i'm so i don't think there is very much that a foreign minister can do about economic deal with the european union. i think there's a box reluctance on the part of the you to reopen. if you like the training corporation

agreement, even though that's actually coming up for some kind of review and review in the next couple of years, i think really well we can do is do do what we can to reduce the friction, but to provide to account economic data cameron could perhaps play a pulse or not, but it was all over state. how much one man, and can make a difference. alex, what do you think? what cameron's motives for taking this job? why do you think he decided to it? was it a sense of duty? i recall his resignation, speech in 2016. i love this country. feel older to a subject. i will do everything i can in future to help this great country succeed . or do you think he has some political ambition left in this scenario, for example, where the conservatives lose a general election to think he might be tempted to to leave the house of lords and come back to elective politics? is that a possibility strips to not be worried? i my instincts is that it's the full,

but i think that he feels that sense of public service. and of course, that was public service that was cut short because he felt he couldn't continue to say after you lost the brakes. it referendum. but there's no doubts about it. people will respect you. nice thing about the lots of people speculate that it's very difficult to really see next and manage with yesterday's manage the whole ring . but he's a, he's show the say, i think his intentions are good. i think that's on, especially in the foreign brief way. he feels he, he knows the pitch well and he knows he's got something to offer. i think that's where he's, if it was, he can continue to contribute something for his public life. but he does their doubts about that. some people will be suggesting that his, me a presence on the minds mission, so you're not, i'm not gonna have to be something that camera to assume that by top to work got to demonstrate. it's not true. can i ask you, leslie, how difficult do you think it will be for cameron to serve on the a mind. busy stories for them to, to, to, to, to serve undermined it was your boss. so not is 15 years younger,

and i looked it up so not i don't even a year an m p for a year and a month when cameron resigned. i think you'll monitor, you know, to, for the pretty good from, to not talk to a, a i should about to the, the, the table a piece already talked about it being a unit is being talked off him as being a team player. he's the only state and he's made so far on foreign affairs is saying that he will stick to the position of the allies. so the thing about it for so not could be he is recently talked it himself as a change candidate. that was the position he put forward up, the recent conference was amazed to try to restore the tories forces, which is almost impossible actually. now here he is with a basically the architect of, of austerity. the mine who created this, you've set the big event or breakfast. i think the opinion polls suggest that the holy for us to know joins the scouts who never voted for the 1st place and wanting

to be back in the a you. this is a continuity situation. if you have a very prominent visible for on secretary like david cameron, who is associated with adults, the old policies that have come distance yourself starting easily from that. so i wonder officially, so not is not in a position where he's going to have to embrace the whole tory project of the last 1520 years to try to make sense of what he's doing with cameron that brought home to him. how do you think this makes the u. k? look, i mean, k talks a lot about it, special relationship with the us. a president boynton doesn't seem to have much time for that. since, since we've had breakfast in the u. k, a u k. politics before breaks, it seemed to be a pretty serious affair, but in the 70 is off to of, to it's, it's been a roller coaster, some might say, of soap opera. yeah. the thing this continues that much, actually to the, to the sample pra, i think people around the world available and about britain,

what is your goal to, to rex it. and i'm thinking that it may have been a mistake. i don't think, well mine can make very much difference to a bridge reputation of the intended cameron, always, it confirms advances, so it as much as a relationship, special or otherwise would be us, will continue even reinforced that in all sorts of ways. i mean, i think, you know, the domestic politics in some ways, a more interesting perhaps in the sense that, uh, you know, we will get some polling fairly soon. i suspect about whether this has made much difference to the way people think about going on. i doubt very much whether it will actually make very much difference. we've already got some pole in what people think of david cameron, not since he was appointed, but just before. and it was generally speaking, not particularly positive for the former prime minister. so i think anyone expects a base i, the reason actually old domestic leaves make

a big difference to the government standing her mind that for boss a difference to whether this conservative policy managers to hold on the next election is, is probably going to conclude well actually no match, basically it's a change of person. now what actually the fundamentals for the government, but how both in terms of the economy on the state of public services in terms of how the prime minister see, i'm not looking very postage if i don't think you're pointing david cameras going to also that in the slightest science you've already much tim. i'm trying to to all guess. i'll explain. leslie rid of attend bell if you missed the beginning of this program. you can watch it again. any time on our website out, is there a dot com? if you have comments on the discussion, we'd like to hear from you go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash 8 inside story on x, the former to a to find us at a inside story for me, james base and the team here and go find something with us. i'll see you soon. bye for now. the

on counting the costs defense, johns look at profits as the one guns that as to the rise in global on sales. how tall the us go with ministry age. israel plus, could you put a school tension, threatened israel's plans to grow gas export? announcing the costs on our award winning deb investigations. give compelling science interview on your toes to from asia and the pacific one. 0 one east. on out. just sierra i'm, it's the world slow down. we stand for as homes with tips of global nichols reserves. indonesia is points to leave the global, the battery industry. we definitely manage our abundant resources and play a role in solar energy, harnessing offerings, 75 percent of global carbon credits,

essentially submitted by mental protection, enhancing investment climate digital licensing, your better tomorrow the kind of them or kyle, this is the news our live from the home coming up in the next 60 minutes, newborn babies wounded and traps and a was that, and this is really forces around golf as to not just hospital based hospitals and gone the city out of service and then now deleted the social media. pacey is really ami, says ambulance as you hospitals, all legitimate targets.