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hello that i can change the space that can be few comebacks and british political history as dramatic as david cameron's return to government is the punch you off the losing the brakes that referendum in 2016 was spectacular. as is his shock appointment as the new u. k. foreign minister. foreign affairs will be his business, giving him a job no one expected. he fills a cabinet seat, left empty off to the home secretary or interior minister swell a problem and was psyched for writing a newspaper. article accusing police in london to bring to lead with pro policy and protest is an estimated 300000 people marched on saturday and support of gaza and against is riley aggression. that was off to the chief of the metropolitan police, said the march could go ahead. despite bowman's opposition, cameron joins the government, led by wishy sumac with his conservative party, languishing, and the opinion polls behind labor and with an election due in the next guess. the

policy needs a turnaround. as dramatic as cameron's or to, to stay in power. in a statement on x, fully known as twitter, cameron said, well, i've been out of front line politics for the last 7 years. i had my experience with assist me in helping the prime minister. though i may have disagreed with some individual decisions, it's clear to me that wishes to not is a strong and capable prime minister. i want to help him to deliver the security and prosperity our country needs to be part of the strongest possible team that serves the united kingdom. so how will cameron's appointments shape britain this published, has domestically and overseas will be discussing, oldest with all x, but pennell shortly top of is in try will be, is position on the war. i'm going to. so with the u. k. b, one of israel storage is darlise biggest supplies then as rushes will in ukraine, where britain plays a similar role back in keith, repairing relations with your upfront vented by brooks. it will be another major issue. and then that's the so cool, special relationship with us. that's badly in need,

robot of repair. having freight joined the fight and presidency and bar as johnson's time in downing street the well that spring, you know, a panel of guests to discuss this in london, we have alex dean, conservative commentator on a former conservative party, aiden dunn, d. that's the result of form, a news and tv present as she's also an old winning journalist and scottish independence activist and in london, 10 bell professor of politics at queen mary university of london. he's a former deputy director of u. k. in a changing europe. thank you. for joining us, all of you. uh, this was the best kept secret savings in the u. k. new. no one's sort coming. i'm alex, you know, david cameron, well, i do have any hint of this. it seems a political bombshell. a speed was a real surprise, a rabbit, out of the hat from the prime minister. and i think an indication that people didn't know it was coming, not least, david cameron didn't know it was coming. it is that our former prime minister has

cost wise to say about the government's position on a chest to a high speed rail network. and only last month, if he knew he was going to be lined up for a time to governments as far as the secretary, i dare say he would not have been saying not about the government policy. so i think this is a true surprise to everyone concerned outside of downing street, including david cameron, a leslie, i'm a, i a full, i'm a prime minister then becoming a minister in a cabinet. that's something that happens in europe. i'm just not something i've heard of in the u. k. before. well, apparently, that i've been substituting farmer prime ministers and breast and who become ministers in a subsequent government. but coming back to this question of whether it's a surprise or not, i mean, certainly when not criticism was that they don't, they, at the monitors their conference last month. that's one thing. but the speed with which david cameron has been made a lord and now joined the state largest on the like to chamber in the world. and

the speed that that's happened that suggests that actually that has been a few days, at least in the may, can. there's a lot of speculation, not that a big decision that is coming on weapon stay in breton, where the supreme court decides on the legality of the governments. rwanda plans for, for of immigrants, for, for migrant that plan perhaps is going to get vetoed by the supreme court. that would have been very difficult to have. so while abraham of the place since that was her plan and perhaps she would have been campaigning for breast and to leave the european convention on human rights. so she could just go ahead with that anyway. the thought snow center come where she's still not good want, so se, so all of this coming on who knew it was, who knew it was at the back of this. it might have been for a few days, at least everyone knew behind the scenes that this was all happening. to him, i'd like to discuss all of what's coming up in a moment, but i'd like to look back because it was 2016 when david cameron quit as prime

minister the man responsible for one of most impactful foreign policy changes in the u. k. breaks it now i'm not going to pronounce on breaks it, but i know you have strong views on practice. it, but it was a great political mistake, wasn't it? of david cameron to cool a referendum that he ended up losing. um, this is an amazing come back as well. suddenly if you will, the renee side of that particular debate, you will have very mixed feelings. i think about the decision to colorado from the data, perhaps david cameron himself, certainly it was a big gamble on his part. and clearly as you say, a gamble that he lost. i think when he resigned the day off the brakes that referendum, most people felt that he was on his way out of politics for ever. so it would have been a huge surprise for most of us, i think for him to come, but not least, because actually he is generally speaking state out of politics for the duration

of alex mentioned the intervention he made on high speed rail. but that's really one of the few interventions he's ever made since 2016 he spent most of his time quite comes naturally, some woodside making as much money as he could buy freebies, ma'am, was through various lo, be jobs says he's had, i don't think, you know, that the last a will come up, i think now in terms of, you know, the debates over whether david cameron is the right person for this job. i don't think that would make much difference to his international co total cases. but i think domestically that will be a bit of an issue. i think so i'll be looking back at some of the things that were written in 2016 when he step down. many people said he looked like a broken man then to well, i think one of the great changes for his politics and this is to, on both sides of the aisle, is wasting talent and wasting people of experience. who gets right in order this

crappy the politics in the fifty's. now sometimes they may choose that path, rather mold the notice you are assigned to it by others. but i think bringing in people who have got a good set of experience it is useful. but i think particularly bearing in mind the tunnel on which side now to david comer. and it's one of the few names and british politics that will really have international residents. and i, i think for the move that this is really the only jump that he would return to politics to do, you know, he's not a jumping scrapping member of a cabinet to might be doing transpose who might be getting often doing the education breed. he has were tons of politics because he knows a good deal about foreign affairs and this is a jump that i think seem suited to. i would say to give them go. what was the said, it's twice in living memory that this has happened from a prime ministers returning out like that machine. did this job protect teeth when we, when negotiating with your i'm will reason the little carrington without far and secretary, it wasn't 5 minutes of it. it was from the house of lords for margaret thatcher.

say it's not, you know, it's not that common. on the other hand, it's not out with any kind of experience on what you say. so it's not that common. but to me, i remember load counter at covington, but you know, i don't remember a u. k prime minister coming back as a cabinet minister in my lifetime, and i'm nearly 57 years old. let's go to load carrington leslie because he is an example of 8 someone trying to do the job before and set country well. so if you're in the house of lords, because we're now talking about no camera not way. how difficult is that politically? because you have to engage with members of parliament. he has to have like a standing in the house of commons. is that right? yes, that's right. and it means that the m p is kind of directly question the foreign secretary at the time when there are to essentially world wars that are there's an extraordinary time to not be able to have that direct connection with someone in such an important post. so, i mean, that's already gathering a head of steam. i appreciate that. i mean there's, you know,

that the risk of being a little controversial with the alex. i don't think this is a technocratic sort of game, almost where someone that's been a pretty good player like a whole football monitor can lose it. you open in one team, a get pushed rondon prompts to a decent job somewhere else. this is meant to be a democracy and the thing that lots of people in preston and scotland particularly will not forgive david cameron for is introducing austerity for 10 pointless years, which has left measurably the people worse off. does actually want us to reverse life expectancy and breath and it was not but an impactful and already the headlines are starting to run. what will happen about welfare? i know that's not his department, but it brings that whole nasty party thing alive again for lots of people who felt they they lost, started on personnel, start talking to him. tim, he's taking this job in paul because um, so not because decides the site could be interior minister or home secretaries

while a problem and she's been a deeply controversial figure. just bring a audience up to speed and some of the things she said, because one of the most recent comments was about those garza marches. and we saw so many people on the streets of london. she described those as hate marches to yes . so these young ladies is very, very cultural, controversial remarks about people who are supposed to use these fire. she calls them bro, costing, you know, as you said, it was a box's uh those remarks i think plus the fact that many people felt that she had criticize the police for not finding the big mountain mountain that took place on saturday. really did i think i'll bring the control as a to a new boy in point. i think many people felt uh, remarks. well necessarily. and so i would treat she on the other hand, i think feels very strongly about the issue. genuinely, but every thing she does is also saying, but you know,

wrongly and probably via the, for the latest date issue, foundations, i think many people feel the conservative policy is probably going to these the next election to be held in 2024. and that sort of probably been east coast to be thinking about how to best position herself in order to take over from research. so you actually, he resign off to that election. many of our remarks are clearly designed to appeal to if you like the all thoughts area and rights of the consent to policy, that the membership you to take, you know, which of course has the final say in any leadership context. so i think, you know, there was a degree to which people felt by the end actually, the sort of problem was always trying to get herself students to microsoft on kind of malta and to distance herself from a shift that maybe people think he's going to go down in the next year or so, i'd like to know how the conservative policy works. how much of a night, mary, she for the prime minister outside the conservative party. we also learned that the

rates coffee who was the environment secretary and the former deputy prime minister, was also resigned to i think gun wrap them in has more of a following in the policy, the entries, coffee to us with night disrespect meant to that. so i think that this, there is danger to the government from the back benches and people usually going to become on those back benches. no longer ministers, a small from so that brockman ralph of and that's raise coffee and we'll see her resignation speech either in a day or 2 or next week. and that will give us an indication of the kind of person she wants to be. now that she's out of government, i always think it's a bit costs for people to say x a wildside is trying to speak on behalf of this grouping. a policy will that uh, that section of a policy rather than thinking or perhaps just perhaps it's what they actually think . and it is possible. um, somebody looking at the situation on the streets of london of light and be a golf that the failure of law enforcement. she sort to ensure that protests was

more inviting without hate speech and respecting the rules laws in this country, including not wearing masks of protests, which many thousands of people did it possible that all the time secretary was actually having to be saying what she thought rather than trying to narrow it costs to some positive conservative policy. and if that's the case, i would say that she was speaking with a lot of people in this country with thinking as well. of course, one of the other thing she said was sending assign them see because through wanda was her dream, an obsession. we've already touched on it. leslie briefly, the government faces quite an important decision by the u. k. supreme court on wednesday on whether that is law full. could that turn out to be the next problem facing the u. k. prime minister as well? yeah, absolutely. and if it does, it does, it may seem a go against the government. so they, they're a one to policy, doesn't work. so the discussions kind of to really think again about the whole strategy on migration. but i mean the level of kind of a position of the reasons and there's a cost pressure naturally too many of see,

well, the problem is all stanzas is pretty enormous. i remember talking about these marches that were the final provocation of you like inflammatory speech commons by a, by see, while a problem via home secretary, you've got to remember that a 126 people were arrested from the far right. protecting the senate off, which is at the center of london, a special place of remembrance, which was nowhere near where the large, the peaceful palestinian demonstration was going. now i've been on, on those pro palestine demonstrations in scotland. this is going to be like the, the protests over the pool talks in britain and over the iraq war where people keep trying to ignore the, the, almost a majority of the population wants to see spar in palestine in preston. and that cannot be expressed. but we have these games being played by the british government trying to distract us all from a terrible crisis. let's look now at what all this could mean for

u. k. foreign policy. tim, i mean, normally you case foreign policy set by the prime minister on the cabinet, follow it, but do you think that will be different with the next prime minister as leader with this individual take on these issues? do you think you'll have an out sized sway in this particular case to? well, i think alex is right to suggest the camera has. if you like a great contacts book, you know, he has really good relations with something that was still in fact, probably just isn't leaders for his time in office. but i doubt very much whether he will in particular, drawing briggs foreign policy in any direction to reduce your not himself or the cabinet with what type of thing. mostly the biggest agenda item will be israel, palestine, i'm the attendance on the part of the british government to, to exercise. so leverage if you'd like. uh, what is riley's doing well,

maintaining a very strong styles against us. and then the other big agenda royce, and before we go for gold about really for awhile that we shouldn't have copies of ukraine and russia there again, i think we continue to see britain take a very, very strong style. so the off of you, craig, i think the interesting thing will be relationships with the european union, actually emergency next on quotes and off himself to he or some of the divisions between the u. k. you disagree or, and all the full data cameras, complaint, quite and important, and involve your role in that respect. it's alex, let me go further on garza, here's a quote from the 2010, the beginning of david cameron's time and office. the situation in garza has to change cause a kind of a must not be allowed to remain a prison camp yet. he also was the prime minister in 20122014. when the what is

riley was on garza, and he was pretty supportive of his ro, i'm sorry, 6 he's really was on calls or is that kind of language that i wasn't expecting for you? i mean, it's a, is why it was a tax on outside of the 7th and the most appalling way. and people seem willing to brush, raise the rates in a way that i seem to be waiting to accept in the same way that it's being said on this channel that you know, the inflammatory woods were from out home secretaries. so that a problem and, and, and also cool rather than death to old jews, child sit on the streets of london that last week on trending on switzerland, in the united kingdom, alex alex's alex. what for what? why is, why is it, why is it i'm not saying is, why is it not alex, in israel war on john? so there are 11000 people for the whole thousands of the machine. we try to just do you stop cheryl saying, no, i'm not showing the offices you use. don't know if you're shouting at me now. i'm not sure what single listening will realize your voice and you don't need to. it's important. we remain civil and maintain the ability to disagree,

politely and separately, even on things on which we disagree professionally. great. a great a great. so why is it not? israel is more on gaza when there are 11000 people killed. and uh, these riley's community name a number of about a 100 of how much lead us they can actually name. and there are 4 and a whole 1000 children that they don't. how much flight is you'll, you'll, you'll figure this festival come from how mass i prescribe to terrorist organization in the country. i'm speaking to you from. secondly, israel is perfectly entitled to defend itself against time as the world protest. i'm but so roost outside an organization that led to the birth of murder, of many found many of its citizens. and this is where it is most of flies in any way. no country is obliged to hold back when seeking to insure its own safety and israel's, the only country in the world expected to act with some kind of magnanimity and restraint. when seeking to defend itself from hunting being attacked beyond the no mistake. this was, this was started by high mass, not by israel in any way,

and the fact that you phrased it in the way that you did. i think it's great telling leslie what she will take on this because i've spoken on this program to numerous international lawyers about this. and they believe israel is in breach many times of international humanitarian law. and what it's doing, despite what may have happened on october the 7th. yes, and i think the position here, our own 1st minister and scott, sometimes that use of had relatives that were engaged for 4 weeks, phoning every day. not expecting to actually see the following day the boeing was so intense, but he minus minus to keep a kind of even side on this respect in a jewish. i'm muslim communities in scotland. absolutely. hamas committed the 1st 4 crime on october the 7th. but we're not in a situation where i think people would be struggling actually to think that what's happening now on lots of times. listen to the news. there's a hospital with babies dying are, and i'm pleading for some, either for fuel to keep their ventilator is going or for an escort to take them

across to egypt. that'd be, there's nothing that is more powerful than children babies. when it comes to everybody across the world, realizes there's an impasse here that has to change. not israel might well field vengeful might well feel it has to defend itself. the job with the international community is to come into place a different templates on that. i grew up in northern ireland. this desire for striking back does not get to anywhere in the long term. long term is what the rest of the international community should be concerned. device, tony to you now to him and the camera in the, in the you. because clearly he knows all the big players that they're going to say, isn't that great having someone we know this great statesman formally to back or are they gonna say, oh no, it's the mound that brought us breaks it of how well i think opinion will be divided on that, i do think however, that most of your teenagers do regardless of cameras as. ready a statesman,

at least, i think even by using fairly, made a very big mistake, gambling over breaks it. feel the same way. i think, well, i would say about the camera time to give you an issue for the place probably falls through much reliance on germany for example, as a means of the u. k. getting warning volts out of the you. i hope you will make that mistake again. i say, i hope the data cameron has to some extent that is less than about way to the you actually works on the will that he will actually say more about the you as a collect say for all the serious, if you like, of a government's trying to a degree, i think that's an incredibly important that i said, i'm sorry, the thing there is very much that a foreign minister can do about economic deal with the european union. i think there's a box reluctance on the part of the you to reopen. if you likes

a try and corp agreement, even though that's actually coming up for some kind of review and review in the next couple of years, i think really well we can do is do do what we can to reduce the friction. but to provide that account that cannot make data cameron could perhaps play a pulse or not. but i know there was a mistake. how much? well man, and can make a difference alex, what do you think? what cameron's motives for taking this job? why do you think he decided to it? was it a sense of duty? i recall his resignation. speech in 2016. i love this country for you're older to a subject. i will do everything i can and future to help this great country succeed . or do you think he has some political ambition left in this scenario, for example, where the conservatives lose a general election to think he might be tempted to, to leave the house of lords and come back to elective politics? is that a possibility? strict, so not the word to my instincts is that it's the full,

but i think that he feels that sense of public service. and of course that was public service that was cut short because he felt he couldn't continue to say after he lost the brakes. it referendum, but there's no doubts about it. people will respect you. nice thing about the lots of people speculate that it's very difficult to really see next and manage with yesterday's manage the whole ring and you say he's shoulder say, i think his intentions are good. i think that's on especially in the foreign brief way. he feels he, he knows the pitch well and he knows he's got something to offer. i think that's where he, if it was, he can continue to contribute something to british public life. but he does their doubts about that. some people will be suggesting that his, me and presence on the minds mission. so you're not, i'm not going to have to be something that camera to assume that by top to wilcox to demonstrate it's not true. can i ask you, leslie, how difficult do you think it will be for cameron to serve on the a mind? i'm sorry for them to, to, to, to, to serve, undermine it. was your boss. i'm so knocked is 15 years younger and i looked it up

so not i don't even a year an m p for a year in a month when cameron resigned. i think you'll monitor, you know, to put a pretty good frontal not to actually i should about to the, the table a piece already talked about it being a unit is being talked of him as being a team player. he's the only state and he's made so far on foreign affairs is saying that he will stick to the possession of the allies. so the thing about it for so not could be he is recently talked it himself as a changed count of days. that was the position he put forward up, the recent conference was amazed to try to restore the tories forces, which is almost impossible actually. now here he is with a basically the architect of, of austerity. the mom who created this, you've set the big event or breakfast. i think the opinion polls suggest that the holy for us to know joins the scouts who never voted for the 1st place in wanting

to be back into a you. this is a continuity situation. if you have a very prominent, invisible for on secretary like david cameron, who is associated with adults, the old policies that have come distance yourself very easily from that. so i wonder officially, so not is not in a position where he's going to have to embrace the whole tory project of the last 1520 years to try to make sense of what he's doing with cameron and up thought home to him. how do you think this makes the u. k. look, i mean, do you k talks a lot about it? special relationship with the us. a president boynton doesn't seem to have much time for that. since, since we've had breakfast in the u. k, a u. k. politics before breaks, it seemed to be a pretty serious affair, but in the 70 is off to of, to it's, it's been a roller coaster, some might say, of soap opera. yeah. the thing this continues that much, actually to the, to the sample pra, i think people around the world available and about britain,

what is your goal to, to breaks it and thinking that it may have been a mistake? i don't think, well, mine can make very much difference to a bridge reputation of the intended cameron, you know, is it confirms advantage this is so it as much as a relationship special or otherwise would be us, will continue even reinforce that in all sorts of ways. i mean, i think, you know, the domestic politics in some ways, a more interesting perhaps in the sense that, uh, you know, we will get some polling fairly soon. i suspect about whether this has made much difference to the way people think about going on. i doubt hard much whether it will actually make very much difference. we've already got some pole in what people think of david cameron, not since he was appointed, but just before. and it was generally speaking, not particularly positive for the former prime minister. so i think anyone expect saying this, i the reason, nationally own domestic reason make

a big difference to the government standing husband that for boss a difference to whether this conservative policy managers to hold on the next election is, is probably going to increase. well, actually no, much is the raise a change of person. now what actually the fundamentals for the government, but how boasting sense of the economy on the stage republic services, in terms of how the prime minister see a note looking very important for me. i don't think you're pointing david cameras going to also that in the slightest. thank you very much, tim. i'm fine for you to all guess. alex dean. leslie, rid of attend bell. if you missed the beginning of this program, you can watch it again. any time on our website out, is there a dot com? if you have comments on discussion, we'd like to hear from you go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story or an x, the former to a to find us at a inside story for me, james, based on the team here in doha. fine. so thing with us, i'll see you soon. bye. for now the,

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