now we see young people in the falls, church switching favor and the palestinians. are you worried about what that does? again, i don't think this is israel, palestine, this is the whole world versus a loss. and i think the whole thing's been turned against the whole world is against from last year. if you look at what happened to 9711 on with hen milan, look at all these other nations, their patients, and with devastated by iran. and all these other proxies of iran, i do want to say, this is a war between israel and the palestinians. people's accounts and the people are dying and record them as a war between israel and home us. we're not at war, the west bank. and that's just as equally by the gun we're, we're in the mosque and here's the organization. is still innocent. normally override in humanitarian laws. international laws are you look at when they're doing the hospitals, they're bombing their own hospitals,

their teammate children. there are there, have you look at the rockets ok hospital the font is still disputed by israel's are actually in hospitals that are on the verge of collapse. one out of every 200 people in the house. how can you justify this? is a tragedy of war, and i pray for all the edits in lives that been lost. but again, this is all, had the root of mazda is evil. you look at a home on, again, that story, kids next to rocket launchers doing everything in their power to not let people get to safety in the town, houses and sorry for the bomb incident happened. didn't happen to us out there save . so it's been the south again and every day in our study reduce the 1000000 casual charlie, i appreciate you taking the time 0. so again, this is a huge bar to one of the people speaking just said they are aware that the

narrative is changing and there's this there to change it back. and it stood out. i have to say, i haven't security this to marks like this ever happened. to january 2nd, national guard walking to every street series are very worried about have the news hour for you at the top of the hour right here on out to 0. in the meantime, you can always head online to our website out as a result. com for more information and all the headlines out of gaza. so coming up next, it's upfront, thanks for watching by the mid to the world, slow down, we stand for as homes with tips of global nichols reserves. indonesia is points to

leave the global battery industries. we definitely manage our abundant resources and play a role in solar energy harness the offerings, 75 percent of global carbon credits essential, committed to environmental protection, enhancing investment climate, digital licensing, your better tomorrow. 6 weeks after her mazda is a tax on october 7th. israel continues it's bombardment and siege of gaza while israel's response has had the full support of the majority of european countries. some dissenting voices are making themselves heard and calling forth the spice. so what role is your playing in the israel does a war? and how has it support for israel changed over time? our last renown economist and former brick finance minister. yeah, honest. verify in an upfront special the. yeah. as far as

that goes, thank you so much for joining me on upfront. it has been 6 weeks since a mazda is attacked on october 7th, and the start of israel's been bargemen of gaza. the vast majority of european governments were unequivocally supportive of israel, as well as its response. but in recent days, belgium's deputy prime minister is called for sanctions against israel and french president emmanuel. my crown has called to quote, work towards a ceasefire. are we thinking of shipping? the positions of european governments tragically is taking more than $11000.00 debts to see a minute shift a shift which is so late coming and so small that as you opinions, we should have got heads in shame. hang our heads in shame. what they think should have been the initial response that go on october 8th, what should the european union wish and you're paying? states have been saying the thing that logic dictates which is the young

condemnations. we all come then. war crimes welcome them. horrible, horrible things that have been done to these early citizens, to die citizens by hamas, to palestinians, by separate us in the west bank. but, you know, let's move on beyond contamination because we, europeans have created this problem. we've created centers of 100 semitism problems against the people that came originated from that land, the jews, and then we subjected them to the holocaust. and then we support that. the vital dogma or victim of a land without the people for the people without the land as if by the sign was empty of people. this is settled at a white supremacist language. the british used as an australia to declare australia that and will use an empty land and the people who are not to justify the genocide

of uh, the ability gene is in australia and not just mr. maybe other than gania, that the, the in south africa and, you know, in the 1920s. and so there's the process begun by which europe we're starting to get the read off. it's go over the programs against the jews. maybe get rid of the jews from you by supporting a general side against the police thing is this time victim not to be this has been going on for a d. so what's the happened at the beginning of october? so for anybody simple, we should have demanded the end of the state of our card, which creates 2 different legal systems on the same small bunch of land between 2 different peoples. that is the source of all the vitamins violence for decades. we have a problem is that in israel, who's the zone,

but the whole point of his existence was to destroy the peace process. nathaniel who has won the objective and likes to make sure that there is never a 2 state solution. the solution to joe bites and advocates among them. a condo advocates, so this is what we should have the content, all active vitamins and at the same time say to both sides, to both extremes. we're not going to tolerate this, these going to be a peace process under the united nations. there's going to be a complete clump of down all kinds of islands, whether it's separate virus of the west bank by users or how much volume is again, just the right place. and we're going to sort this mess out once in vo. well, you're paying commission president ursula, a bundle in propose, a kind of vision and moving forward that engaged some of the ideas that you just mentioned. uh, she offered 5 principles to guide the future of the gaza strip. those include no safe haven for terrace. no harm, athletic government, no long term is really security presence. no force displacement of palestinians and

no sustain blockade. what do you make of the proposal and does it fully represent what the european people want were missing? so some of the presents no one. she essentially violated on principles of european democratic process by trying to is row and effectively cheerleading. they what kinds of pieces are in the guys asleep? as for the precise proposal, which comes, i have to say that we have a duty not to take me just for that lion said seriously, damn 25, the movement that i'm part of. we have a component and the petition for heading mobile and dismissal. she's an embarrassment to get a being, she doesn't speak for you to be and she shouldn't be that should we should get through with her as quickly as possible. having said that, let's take the 5 points. you mentioned essentially what she's doing is she's playing the game. well, one thing out of the story that the stage solution by isolating gaza from the

boulder problem or how to have 2 states living side by side. or if we want to be more humanist and more them vicious, to talk about a single state that the secular and does not discriminate between jews and, and, and by the stance. she doesn't do that. she said that is as well and said that's fine, that sort of people guys know that sort of thing for the type state in westbank because you say allow me to ask you to go to the question, what if i'm us where to just disappear? yeah. signed to the idea today, what happens then? what happens with the west bank, where we have settlers, as we speak, throwing out the rise and killing, murdering maiming palestinians and throwing them off their i'm system lamps, you have it by the stimulus already that has been completely accumulated, then the price of annual forwarded. the over the west bank and you have

a government which clearly says that they are going to alex the whole thing from the able to the see what this is for the like and suggestion for that. just be with the guys. and that is to become the useful idiots of many. i mean, the thing out that's home is what's left on the land is that's why we, europeans must bundle together and get through the earlier you talked about it, your long history. and he could have used the prosecution and persecution of use violence against use. is this holocaust guilt that leads to this place of sort of not pushing back sufficiently against israel's policies and practices. i'm asking it partly because of a poll conducted by political in 2021. it found that 41 percent of those polled and you have agreed that quote against the background of the history of the holocaust, europe. there is a special responsibility for israel and a 39 percent disagree,

but 20 percent don't know me. that's a sizable number of people. and so it makes me wonder if that informs their decision to not to more strongly condemn israel's actions. possibly yes. there is a very good reason why we hear the parents bear the guilt over the whole coast. it is because we are responsible for it, not just the german that's is the cut off. and that's is the greek not say is uh, the getty and not just the french nets or the collaborators. we'll play a small button up individually. but in terms of our culture, in terms of our nations, in uh, that uniquely even event in history, in the history of the world books, humanity, all the holocaust. but the question i put to my family get opinions, especially with my german friends. and i mean that those friends is this, how far must easily is ethnic cleansing of the palestinians proceed before our justified guilt over the holocaust no longer prevents us

from challenging is the ethnic cleansing of the body standing. and so to put it a bit more brutally how much published in blog do we need to wash off the guild of the how that goes to the supervisor and, and the question a week after her mass is attacked on is really civilians you refuse to condemn either from us, gordon that in yahoo, committing atrocities across israel, palestine instead of condemning either you condemned europeans and americans as you're doing very much today. as the true villains who have been quote and making peace, impossible in israel palestine isn't really fair to offset all of these war crimes born to the west. however guilty we all may be shooting horizon is really government also be held accountable for their actions. of course they shouldn't be, but allow me to say that i am going to be in. if i were indian or chinese or south africa, or like an american, i wouldn't be saying what i said. but i think it'll be,

and i am refusing to play the phone, the game, the other europeans play, especially i've got what comes in sending their looking of the people who now suffering both israelis and palestinians and veterans. and there was in the land of engine by this time single. what do we get or bands do you know, we look down upon those people say, oh, you know you, i mean most, you're killing each other. we're going to condemn you whether we condemn you know, the last week or the 2nd is well, the thing out, hold a pillow in the end, we, europeans look down upon them. i think we are superior. we're not superior. with infinity to me inferior. we of a centralized, have created colonialism. we have created the semi peers. we have created the mentality of imperialism. we are behind the mass that goes about being carried out

by both sides. so we are the last people on this planet. it is going to reveal started the, the model, the right of the high ethical standards that's with allow us to bound up on these people and condemned them. i'm not going to play this game anymore. i called them everywhere. okay? but you know what? those who say to me why you don't come down, you have, as i said to them, when you lost your opportunity to, to ask me this question. the moment you waiting to come down, the coming of, i'm jealous by this thing in general, unless nobody's to be in general. this is a legitimate list is riley joyce, beside the wrist to the women. old man, you lost the moment that you forgot you neglected to condemn that at this stuff day this condemnation gave me any more. let jessica with us quickly. the very simple question. do we or do you not want to see from very verdict with the c and i use

this expression product that we do we want to see from the i don't care about, is that by this thing or anything? do we want to see people who live without the fear of being killed with a quote, civil and political rights? what has happened to the united states in particular? have we forgotten the great civil rights marches in those 96? this? why can't we have the same mentality about the father stein and started with one assumption that should be coming amongst civilized women, men transgender. whatever we happened to be, and that is that there should be no discrimination, no apart hide in that bland how we're going to work it up. whether it will be 2 states, multi ethnic states sitting side by side, one state for everyone that doesn't discriminate between jews between those palestinians, adams and so on. i don't care. let's begin with this. in the past few weeks,

these things and the biggest pro palestine march has ever recorded both in europe and in the united states. has there been a shift in the public's attitude towards palestinians and if so, would this lead to any kind of substantive government positions changing? not really. what we have seen is it through our expression of the feelings out there in the communities. the people who are viewed up into my joint if they have the addition, i be traditionally recognized the ethnic cleansing of the palestinians. since the lock box is $94.00, that the majority of the french, the majority of the germans, the majority of the greeks, we always understood because we always think about the sense that there was an attempt ethnically cleanse the people that do not see our governments shifting fast enough, so that we would be able in the future to answer our grandchildren when they ask us,

what did you do when the thousands of children in guys that were being much that good in cold blood? what some governments have done and response has been to ban protesting, france, germany hungry, austria have all been solidarity protests with palestine. other european laser tried to deal legitimize them, framing them all as anti semitic, or extremist events. one german mt events, suggested stripping non e u nationals of their right to protest. but how dangerous is this backlash for european civil rights and the global palestinian rights movement as a whole? will look males answer your person in question with an example. a few days ago, a friend who happens to be, and he's a jew who lives in berlin. the stock is very good for me. the german constitution. the stop is what have constitutional rights. as it has been of germany,

i should discover that the police cannot bind her from doing it. one person demonstrates that is standing in the middle of a square with a pack of which red as any is riley. and does it, do i say stop. the general side of things and she was arrested need i say more, the moment we allow this to happen. the moment to allow our police force upon them . it's our instruments and organs of a state to the end is that i really do in the middle of believing that she's being asked that because of the expression of a view which was not even spoken, but it was written on a blackboard that is a very slippery slope to, to do things more bit and disseminate this. here you have a white gentleman policeman. i always think a jewish woman who happens to be very as well in but i mean,

and the 2nd thing that happens is the end of civil liberties, photos. sophia october 7th. the tax has also been a rise in anti semitism across europe. we've seen by the top cocktails thrown on a synagogue in germany. we've seen stars of david sprayed on residential buildings in france. there was a jewish cemetery desecrate in austria. this is all very worry some stuff. however, some accusations of anti semitism have been against people who are simply criticising israel's human rights. reckon, for example, in response to amnesty international stating that war crimes had been committed by all parties lawyer had this. what's the reason for these really ministry of foreign affairs called an amnesty, international anti semitic, and a quote propaganda organization that's working for him as terrorists? how does one thread the needle between dismissing the idea that all support for palestine is anti semitic? without the legitimize of the fact that there is a very real rise in anti semitic hate. crimes against jewish people going on,

right? as we speak, whenever you have a tragedy, like the one on folding in the line to further sign is up to date. the x themes out of a great beneficiaries. on the one hand, the gross, i'm the semites, and all the other hand, the gross. i hate you know, hate that it's a better stance, but allow me to answer by me. so the person story. i grew up in a fascist dictatorship, heating grace, weird cut on those dining room industries. they were abominable. they were imprisoning. good democrats. we lived in fear for 7 years, only, only a part of my life. now whenever, as far as the gentleman, chances are of the time, the brunt. great ma'am. who decides the government?

he was being accused by the greek freshest empowered here in athens as being on the greek and miss hailey. and that's right, the december. uh whenever the greek confronted the fascist government visits and flashes government talked to him. i talked about him as a greek hating greek. this is what we have now happening across the what there is a concert, the propaganda effort to identify, to equate opposition to the thing act was fascist government and to the archive state, the t headsets so successfully created with of december the moment and you can relate to the, to an objection to f process, the research team which addresses jewish intellectuals, democrats, just as much as the openness is anyone else the moment you identify that group as

of others seem without the same. it isn't. that is the greatest victory of, of the. so much and go back to the previous example with the eighty's have it's the kind of a list the, the one that i referred to in berlin, the salad you that was arrested for protesting. isn't that the height of somebody sent me? it has to have a white gentleman, police officer, i think, and these really do, involving now a lot of europe as far right parties are providing unequivocal support for israel at the moment with those same parties often have a deep and long history of anti semitism themselves. for example, you have a marine, the pins, national riley party in france, which fully supported israel, but the party was founded by a former ss number and another founder depends on file that was convicted for minimizing the whole cause. it many a point it towards someone trends and on the far right parties in hungry and in

poland and other places. how do you make sense of these trends? we're far right? parties have be incredibly powerful at pro israel views, but also in the deep histories of anti semitism. what is it? what right to nominate and it happens getting police do we have not says who are complaining actively on of the sent me to throw cuz they were even saving those disgusting pamphlets in volumes about c on and so on. the conspiracy theories are against the jews and now they can, you know, they are waiting these rarely flag and acting on the idea of to kill as many as soon as possible. you have this in the united states. you have an event, jellico movement which is of explaining the right wing it was extremely embassy, might take for 200 years in the united states. and suddenly they have made the extreme design. they position their masonic position where by gold, supposedly he's going to reappear in the line to follow stein and that needs

that needs, that makes it necessary to expands all the palestinians from the blonde. this is a was wiping them, and it's very an interesting one. i think that, you know, since you all are just side kind of at least side guy, but he's going to have a nice day for the next time that he is expedited. but what, what do we see? what we see is you see, that's what really very simple flip of a switch, a foot on a rabbit. and the same it is to wrap it in symbol, a symbol fault because in the end what the output i needs is a group of people to be more nice. it's so happened that it was the jews. now it can be anything is going to be the syrians and can be the palestinians and could be, you know, the belgians, it doesn't really matter. they need a scape goat. they need to be able to point other people to say if these people with advocated like would

be here. this is what gambles did in the 19 twenties and $0.90 so successfully with the jews being targeted and being the victims. today's happening files by the same people without giving the jews they are now targeting the audience, americans and so on. so the greatest enemy is a fascism that requires scape goats. the fact that the goal, the flip flop between different target groups is notation. i wanna ask you about something else of european countries have long been involved with sending weapons to israel. the back home international piece of research institute found that italy and germany have supplied israel's military with crucial weapons and equipment that is now being used on the ground in guys. the u. k. has helped both of these really air force while germany has sent tank stage real as well. there's a lot of awareness of u. s. military aid to israel. we talk about it all the time. we talked with the

billions that we send. but how underplayed is europe's direct military assistance to israel severely. and it takes 2 forms. you mentioned one form selling is a weapon. this is the 2nd phone buying weaponry from you, sir, because it is a major producer of a weapon as well. and not just the lease of weaponry, but also spyware. think of it or so my government hitting raise the, the government of the 75, because i oppose they purchased better though. they've used it against their political opponents. they didn't even use it despite one on one another. so is this location in the international trade or surveillance? and lisa weaponry is, is a very important location. and europe is not the support of the place now

to those who are watching us and within yes, but you must have is a survive. my message to you folks is, is a, is not in danger. how mass? yes, they have a capacity to inflict a lot of pain on these are, but it is not a present and clear danger for these early state is a is a tremendously powerful state. it's a nuclear state. it's called an ami onto the thief and technologically and good to be advised. there is no way that these really amik a news to anyone. only the palestinians being ethnically cleansed and they are very clear guidelines by the israeli government supported by the west to get rid of them fully to it at the gave them from the gaza strip from east jerusalem and from the west bank, you know,

his backpack is thank you so much for joining me in upfront. appreciate your insights as always. i think good. all right, that is our show upfront. we'll be back later this week, the, the the

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