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hello again, i'm james pays the us president is facing his biggest international crisis. yet. israel's more ongoing studies showing no signs of stopping hospitals. schools refugee comes no way say for a palestinian as the war is now and it's 6 week old eyes are on president joe by no means to stop the cottage, but he seems to be struggling to assert any influence on israel will. the by the ministration deal to grow in global pressure and help bring about a c spot in gauze, i will discuss all this in a moment without a panel of experts. but 1st car leg has i'll report a rallying cry deep in the nights. thousands of protesters on the streets of san francisco quoting for an end to israel to gaza at the same time in the same city, a gathering of world leaders with us president joe biden paying host, attending a fundraiser for his own re election campaign days earlier,

he expressed concern about israel's attacks on hospitals in garza, but the u. s. lead has continued to fall short and cooling for a ceasefire. that's fueled protest across the united states and cools the action to end the violence. it's a lot about us and then it's about us and that ultimately, unless we figure out how we can be a big us, the kinds of terrible things that we are now seeing in gaza and that we saw in israel are going to happen continuously. and the close keep growing even from within white house, hundreds of employees of signed an open, less demanding bite in court, a ceasefire that says it's ready. troops, storm causes largest hospital,

an act the palestinian group. how much says binding is fully responsible for the aluminum and they do the white house. and the pentagon contributions to the campaign of scientists lies that claim. she thought was used by the resistance makes american president button a full participant of this occupation and all this crime. and also the genocide, a war that i'll tell us than you and people are being exposed to how much around the world. because keep coming and growing with record numbers of people taking to the streets. what on the ground in garza is ready bombs, keep phoning, leaving palestinians without array of her car leg inside story. the well, let's discuss all of this further with all guests in washington dc. we have and he had our national executive director of the council on american islamic relations

cab. that's the largest muslim civil rights advocacy organization in the us. in london, julie norman, associate professor and politics and international relations and university college london. also in washington. d. c. has a name that he's a scholar and political analyst at the middle east institute. thank you very much. all of you for joining us today on inside story. so let's look at where the us stands on the con. ready on golf, so can i start with you, how so on? if we go back to october, the 7th, and that was a full throated defense of israel from president biden. given the scale and nature of masses attacked was the public fully behind him van and now they behind him. now it's important to chase what's going on in the us in the context of the caution was what's happening in the bottom actually here since the ninety's. and here we have really ultimately

a flash up notice we have what are you going to is that in particular either you'll view it as in the context of jewish history as the jewish people are dealing with the victims in the course of the millennial discrimination upgrade the demo for situation, or on the other hand, you place it in the context. so of the national liberation that to the part of sending people that have been victim of occupation clapper tied to upset segregation and the persecution. so these 2 masses, prior to october 7th, i would say we're already brewing in the, in the united states. clearly with the, with the assets that use the, the jewish people as victims of history. and therefore, sees in the inside of the direction of sorts being, having the opposite have at least with the older generation. why the new, the younger generation being probably more susceptible to accepting the national

liberation and the view and palestine in the context of colonialism and the cold on our nation. and you end is not as the manifestation of factions like that the ocean of jewish, just so you buy more. so another link, you know, colonial is to now is i would say these were more or less in the back down to the 7th. and what happens after release them to the big green bank bullet to the floor, and actually the in the, in ways in better places. for example, on the part of the there wasn't enough time, not simply highlighting the jewish history to drive by and viewing the attack, knocked in the context of an occupation and assistance of the patient, even if they think through the acts of fluency and that stuff. terrorism, but more so in the context of another link and another phone. well, this is why we see, for example, ends in a blinking,

going to is that not assessed as subject to the same, but also as, as people in day as it was you and that for uh the, this is an attempt on the part of the, the the is really, if you'd like, not to insist that how much is isis? what happened on october 7th is that seems like happen on $911.00. the interstate is a know what the exactly to segment within the culture more awards. where, where is it that you as an american citizen or to the place? okay, let me, let me bring, let me bring in julie. now on this, julie, do you agree with that? now let's just number one. where do you think us voters? because we do, i'm afraid of the best human lives involved here, but we're coming up to an election year in the us way. us vote to stand on this. i i so one opinion polls and a bit of lease from the end of last month. it said 66 percent of american vote to strongly agree or somewhat agree that the us should cool for see spa. yeah. what's interesting, we have seen the numbers shift

a bit and i would agree that some of this comes down to culture wars or politics or what have you. but i would say again, there is definitely been a shift within the democratic party. the party is pretty much split almost 5050 right now with where sympathies lie. but we, we have seen just didn't polls that came out today, isn't it? we're 20 percent increase of democrats. we're now supporting a ceasefire compared to just last month. so i do think that as the word continues, as the images are casualties, continue to come over social media and mainstream media, those calls are increasing especially on the democratic side. so i do see a bit of a shift in the narrative, among public opinion. and we're also seeing, obviously a shift in messaging from the by the administration itself. and then that's partly in response to popular opinion, but even more so in response to what the administration is also observing on the ground and hearing from error of allies and partners. now how do we have a loyalty instrument which is 0 in the us? but of course most people are watching the us,

the television networks and reading the new s newspapers. and that is how they're getting. the view of this will do you think the us coverage is balanced people getting the whole story or not at all? the u. s. population has been conditioned for decades, if not for generations to adopt one negative and one side, which is the, is it a negative accompanied and aided by the popular culture, whether from hollywood movies, over 1000 of them or, and evicted out upson, motions, palestinians, and the best the, the kids as dividends, as of the civilized people. and people who do not share their what's in bad use, uh, and universal badges. so the humanize ation. oh, the better thing is that ups and motions not only in the popular culture, but even in the education system in the textbooks in history books. so you talk

about academia, news, and even policies that have been one sided. so the ultimate to dissolve is not on the a bias against box a, an old guess who believes that there's only one that are active and when the alone october 7 came to culminate this the way uh, is there a managed to receive president by the end the us media who prides itself to be objective only when it comes to the eastern in the stomach issues. is it a and managed to put in the head off by then certain claims that we have not verified. and this way, or a very damaging to the bus thing and now and to what was happening on the ground. for example, the claim of that behind the children and the atrocities that allegedly him as committed against is a baby's. there was no mention that it was

a military operation, mainly against the military. uh post of of. is there any who have been deceiving the uh, the enclave of goes out for 16 years. it's never talked about to about 6 to about 50. so but for the 2nd of the chairs and the many months before, what is there and has been committing atrocities and has leased the they the violence supp louder is to invade the bell about us thing in homes and so on. so the public has not seen anything about the conflict recently except on october 7th . so. okay, yeah, let me let me bring it in. how so? and let me bring in her son though, but we have seen, i'm sure this has been, i'm here in doha at the moment, although i live in new york, most of the time. i'm show us media is covering those pictures of these riley military around the al chief of hospital, the attacks on all the hospitals and goals of city. those pictures really

distressing pictures of those babies in the incubators who have to be taken out of incubators because there was no fuel. the 1st nurse who tried to help those, the c name babies, shot dead buys, is riley sniper, all of these, the reasons do think that as julie said, posing is changing. absolutely. and we have to keep in mind for you. yes, there are influence operations in progress on the part is not on the part to offset the opponent stuff is that, but let's not in se, outages of the american view along the lines of that. so ultimately yes, sometimes the influence of patients are afraid. she's like, uh, some missing information might to end up allowing actions such as what we're seeing in the honda. basically, an actual mass that goes going on under the auspices of the, under the claim that it is near the an attack on from us back to i think ultimately

one that was provided with the appropriate information. the american public is able to, to, to sort through and it becomes the responsibility of the, the other side to, to provide that. yes, there's an ad and ads an advantage for isn't in here, but it's not, it's not the as to, if you'd like, complete as it seems to be at times. and ultimately of these images, the image is a higher that's are going in the higher order every 6 to quite through the whole thing and, and insert them circuits in novelist. they need more clarification. and i mean just with the patient. ok, the, the truancy of how much, how much engaged in an operation that had submitted to the aspect. so it may be, but one cannot be not at the cruelty that has to happen. whether it's their name or her in the, in the very 2nd months, and any kind of excuse of that feeds into the whole, the whole night that you cannot listen to the other side. so it's important to

underline the fact that the american public watches listens, sees, and the access coordinates. the question of providing these facts, there is a shift in, in, in, i don't think that accept payment then by, than was the into a position. you have to get him set to be as honest, even a boy, he's not jewish nonbillable. and his supports of the, of the matter of fact the and it said something to be questioned. and so the actually be nice if you have the counselor before, but better than not if i got but bringing truly. now we've, we've heard the talking about what's been going on around these hospitals in garza city. really, really distressing. i'm wondering whether some of this, when you hear what present biden says on some of these things make similar week that's just listen to what he said a short time ago is my open expectation that there will be

less trish of action route to contact and work with which is really, is also there's an effort to take this part us to deal with relation to prisoners. and that's pretty and negotiated as well as countries and gauge. so i made some of the hospital must be hospitals must be protected, the u. s. president there and a spokesman for the national security council said we do not support striking a hospital from the. busy we don't want to see a firefight in a hospital. julie just now is off to they said all of that. these are very the military did the right inside the biggest hospital in gaza city. i'll ship a hospital. that's exactly right. and we have seen a similar dynamic several times over the last few weeks whether it was calling 1st you mandatory and pauses or for an increased and in a delivery or now for the protection of the hospital. so we do hear these

statements based messages from blinking from bite and from others of the administration. and yet we don't see israel shooting those messages on the ground. i think were biting. there was a, a, a kind of a gamble that if he embraced israel quite publicly at the starts of every thing after october 7th. and that they knew he would have a little bit more leverage privately behind the scenes to give some of these messages. but as the operation very quickly unfolded, i think the administration stopped very quickly that israel was not going to uh, to take all the guidance that the us thought they might. whether is in terms of surgical strikes, whether in terms of dismantled hearing aids or now in terms of the hospital. so i think that's been a little bit damaging to the administration in terms of just really showing the, the limitations if you will, of the leverage that they have with israel, even as their nothing jane has somewhat shifted over this last month's need had. so yes, the job i've been calling for more a to go in and only

a very small number of trucks have gone in. i did some calculations since the 21st of october. it's an average of 46 trucks a day, which the u. n says is hardly inadequate. they wanted fuel to go in apparently some fuel is now going in a tiny amount of fuel. but that hasn't been any fuel for any of the us. those other days. they didn't want to tax on the hospitals of the us, made it clear it wants to roll for the policy new 40 at the end of the conflict. and that's a yahoo seems to have ruled that out. tell me what language does the us have if it really wanted to use it, us has all the image or the setup is i would not be able to inflict all the suffering on the palestinians, both from the military, economic and other aspects of the suffering that the past seems i'm never going without the total support of, of the united states with the military. so for the different methods of. ready or the, the justification the, the, the excuse, excusing or is that his behavior,

they ability of the u. s. to prevent and diesel, the international community as well as to the, you know, in is the end and just a or punish the, the setup is that the, for the heart of crimes and the trends again. so you might think that has be completing so if the u. s. once it can, i ask is the stop and is the end would have no choice to stop. it may take a long time because it is an idea how um it has been humiliated by us and by the student festus, of the palestinians. in garza who, where as one time after another to leave their homes and become a 2nd time in their lives or in the field on slabs, generations to be refugees and to establish the other. the 2nd method that so is there is definitely is under the influence of the united states but also. ready you

cannot under estimate the engine. ready of the pro isn't an ex, lobbies in the united states almost. and that is a known fact around the world and up on in the us. that they bought the weight of the congress and demand politicians who decide on the budget. and how much is that i looked at, for example, some of the students in the united states suffer from uh, you know, loans that they have to pay. we have so much unemployed people. we have so many uninsured people in the united states are working for such a suffering. and when they want to, uh, you know, uh, spend any money on this. even a government could be shut down because of the product is uncomfortable. but when it comes to the end, they would just find out what $14000000000.00 to ship for the setup wizard without an accountability without any ability to view as to say stuff in there and is the listing. so okay, there's an awesome if you had already has thoughts on has time you had me had that

saying that the us has is great leverage potentially tell us in the current political situation though, can president buy them, use that leverage not see that the u. s. but not only does leverage the u. s. x, should he a fact to the. ready is a lot of this money is transferred to is that as far as a more is rewarding, is the for more and therefore the responsibility of the, by the administration for the max record that's going on and why that is key. but ken, joe, by the next difference, while i, i do not see him wanting to act this in the back, even if you want to do when we are a non election season. i mean, and actions are a year away, but we're already kind of that, that position and is taking place. i see him and he tries to nonsense,

i'm going to direction, but then nothing else does not swans being got attacked and attacked harshly from the sign. that's the, all they probably some a cap, i mean i what we're talking here about all those who would like to be his opponents in the, in the november 2024 actions that, that was the savage. and by saying that you to abandon the, our ally and there's enough up to of support meeting at the, at the base level in order to find that, to up, to the other accusations that by the new space. and you know that the week and then, but if he does not, and he does not seem to be doing it while he lists i anything a americans and most of them americans and progress of the americans and the others and others see that back to the us from the city is not acceptable, and in particular in those p space way where he needs to win in order to secure a certain time. so he's not saying that book position, but frankly,

he comes across as a week. these are unable to, in the ones his allies in i'm talking about the is read, i'm able to make a decision. that's what the basic, the she came from criticism and the sick unit is that her bland to me. what about the all the allies that the u. s. has that seems to be division in europe, but there are some big important players that are pushing out for a permanency. saw countries like fraud some spain, perhaps a slightly smaller country orleans, but it's a country that has real residents with this president. do you think you'll be listening to what some of those countries are saying? well, the store, i mean, i think all of this is feeding into the international conversation and crudo and canada made some more pointed comments yesterday as well. but at the end of the day, what the us says on this issue is, tends to be uh, you know, kind of kind of steps their, their own agenda with, with is real and doesn't always go along with where the rest of the world is on this and if and you, if anything, the directional call is usually the other way. um you, i will say you,

i think it's more of the situation on the ground more then, you know, pressure from other allies or things like that. that would maybe shift things for the buyers and administration for bite and personally. and again, i think we have started to see some of that already. and just as the, as operation continues and the reality on the ground change that does constantly change the calculations. i think initially there was a sense when the, by the ministration to come out strong with a, you know, israel has a right to defend itself. and i think most allies got behind that very quickly. i think where things started to change was how they go about doing that. and that's what we've seen playing out progressively over these last few weeks. that's why we're starting to see allies change their messaging. and again, biden slightly doing it. but in real terms, you know, i think is still very much standing with, with israel, and i think on here as, as others have mentioned, politically, needs to do that. i think personally also wants to do that at this moment on while, while still trying to restrain the civilian casualties. um,

at least through rhetoric you had what about the legal perspective to all of this? because on this program, i had numerous international lawyers and nearly every one of them says that israel, in some way or the other is breaching international humanitarian law. and we've got the international criminal court investigating as well. i know the us isn't signed up to this, but do you think the white house is worried about being seen is complicit in terms of law? you know, i mean in terms of legal action against the us or is that that's like after the war is, is, is. ready so i don't think the any side is worried about that, and it can be deflected for a later time. but if i may say that in the pressure that the administration fee is may, 4th, may may 4th administration to take a. ready position and in the start shifting, the language as we have been seeing in the past 2 weeks is all kind of pressure definitely seems to be honest on the ground. uh that there is

a lot of work next to be done from the site. the is there any way that it was able to achieve military goals or not, which i believe it has failed and so far and that's why it's been trying to pressure and that's my getting most of the guns and invading us because bombing screwed up. so on and so for yesterday, the people of guys are still standing and they're not complaining. i mean, when i say the company and they're not telling me against the busting of resistance, but the key pressure on the administration today is the voters, especially in america, most simple, those and other than that, it comes with those who send a clear message to president by then that if there is no ceasefire, you will not get books. you will not get books in the back of ground states like arizona, georgia, michigan, ohio. ready nevada and so on. so. ready that waiting for us to think about the enter the soft fist box, the, the democratic party. this is the interest of, is it

a, one of these things start to be more distinguished along the lines of, you know, your own interest. you will see a different sandwich and more pressure on the administration to exhibit on, on this, of the julie just adding to that. do you think he'll, he'll be affected by more pressure coming from his own people because we're seeing all sorts of lexus of this sense being signed by political appointees by members of the us agency for international development and people in, in, in, in the state department. do you think that will have an effect on this president to know, lots of those people who've, assigning those left as well. i think it's notable that we're seeing these public letters and statements coming out from, you know, within the state department within usa id, within some of these important agencies. i do think it makes a difference and we know that separately or state blinking has tried to address some of these concerns and take some of these concerns on board. but with that said again, at the end of the day, i think that biden's policies towards israel and towards israel. palestine is

probably going to be a little bit bigger picture. and that anyone on single protest her action is going to influence and you, again, this is a very um, obviously very sensitive issue right now in the united states. and i think she knows that she probably is not going to please everyone, whether it's voters and constituents, whether it's persons working of administrators for and whether it's policy makers you, they are very strong opinions across the board. and i think she's that are aware of that. she's also not new to this conflict. she's been engaged with israel now for decades. and i think that is really interesting history or on this that more than again, any one set of public opinion or one hole or something like that. thank you very much, julie. thank you to all guess today, julie norman has a name there and we had our coverage of the war on cause a continues on out just around the clock without teams in israel, on the west bank and on the ground in gauze, you'll find more context and analysis on our website, i would just say we don't. com. we always welcome your input to post your comments

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