coveted beyond well taken without hesitation for them died for power defines how well we live here. we make the rule, not them, they find an enemy and then they try and scare the people with that. and the people in power investigate, expose this and questions they use them to be that the power around now to sierra the pressure with home and from within is it ministration? i'm from the us is arrow by lies president joe biden. the scene is perhaps the only person who can stop israel's blood showed in garza. so what do you agree to crying coals thrusting spa? this isn't psych store the

hello again on james bay's the us president is facing his biggest international crisis yet. israel is more on gaza is showing no signs of stopping hospitals. schools refugee comes no way say for a palestinian is the ward is now and it's 6 week. all eyes are on president joe biden to me to stop the cottage, but he seems to be struggling to upset any influence on israel will. the by the administration deal to grow in global pressure and help bring about a see spot and goals that we'll discuss all this in a moment without panel of experts. but 1st car leg has all report a rallying cry deep in the nights. thousands of protesters on the streets of san francisco quoting for an end to israel to gauze, though the same time in the same

city, a gathering of world leaders with us president joe biden paying host, attending a fundraiser for his own re election campaign days earlier, he expressed concern about israel's attacks on hospitals in garza, but the us lead to has continued to fall short in quoting for a ceasefire. that fueled protest across the united states and calls for action to end the violence. it's not about us and then it's about us. and that ultimately, unless we figure out how we can be a big us, the kinds of terrible things that we are now seeing in gaza and that we saw in israel are going to happen continuously. and a close keep growing even from within white house. hundreds of employees of find an

open, less demanding binding called a ceasefire. that says, is ready, troops, storm causes largest hospital, an act the palestinian group. how my says item is fully responsible for the move them base. an idea of what the white house and the pentagon contributions to the campaign of scientists lies that claims she thought was used by the resistance makes american president button a full participant of this occupation and all this crime. and also the genocide, a war that i'll tell us then young people are being exposed to the home around the world. because keep coming in, growing with record numbers of people taking to the streets. what on the ground in garza is ready bombs, keep phoning, leaving palestinians with out array of her car leg inside story

the well, let's discuss all of this further with all guests in washington dc. we have and he had our national executive director of the council on american islamic relations cab. that's the largest muslim civil rights advocacy organization in the us. in london, julie norman, associate professor and politics and international relations and university college london. also in washington, d. c. has a name that he's a scholar and political analyst at the middle east institute. thank you very much. all of you for joining us today on inside story. so let's look at where the us stands on the con. ready on golf, so can i start with you? how so on? if we go back to october, the 7th, that was a full throated defense of israel from president biden. given the scale and nature of masses attacked was the public fully behind him van and all they behind him. now it's important suitcase. what's going on in the us in the context of the culture

was what type of environment i'm actually here since the 90s. and here we have read the altima, the pressure notice we have whether you got to is that in particular, either you'll view it as in the context of jewish history as the jewish people are dealing with the victims in the course of the millennial discrimination upgrade the demo persecution, or on the other hand, you place it in the context of the national liberation that to the point of sending people that have been victim of documentation, tied up the segregation and the persecution. so these 2 masses, prior to october 7th, i would say we're already brewing in the, in the united states. clearly with the, with an assets that use the, the jewish people as victims of history and therefore sees in the inside of it is

a direction of sorts. be having the opera has at least with the older generation. why the news that the younger generation being probably more susceptible to accepting the national liberation and the view. and by this time in the context of colonialism and the cold on our ration and you, when the is right and not as the manifestation of factions like that, the, the ocean of jewish, just so you buy more. so another link, you know, colonial se, now is i would say these were more or less in the background, october 7th. and what happens after brings them to the big green bank bullet to the for, and actually the in the, in ways in deliberately, for example, on the part of the, there wasn't enough time, not simply highlighting the jewish history to live by you. you wouldn't be attacked, not in the context of an occupation and existence, occupation even if they think well that acts of fluency and that stuff terrorism,

but more so in the context of another link and other programs. this is why we see, for example, anthony lincoln going to is uh, not assessed as subject to the same, but also as, as people in day as it was you and that for uh the, this is an attempt on the part of the, the, the, is riley and she would like not to insist that so how much is isis? what happened on october 7th? is that seems like happen on $911.00. the interstate is a no wonder exactly to signal within the cox or more, or where, where is it that you as an american citizen or to the face or the let me, let me bring, let me bring it in, julie. now on this, julie, do you agree with that analysis? number one, where do you think us voters because we do, i'm afraid of the best human lives involved here, but we're coming up to an election year in the us way. us vote to stand on this. i, i so one opinion polls and admittedly, it's from the end of last month it said sit 66 percent of american vote to strongly

agree with someone to agree that the us should cool. proceed spa. yeah. what's interesting, we have seen the numbers shift a bit and i would agree that some of this comes down to culture wars or politics or what have you. but i would say again, there is definitely been a shift within the democratic party. the party is pretty much split almost 5050 right now with where sympathies lie. but where we have seen just in polls that came out today is an over 20 percent increase of democrats who are now supporting us to expire compared to just last month. so i do think that as the work continues, as the images are casualties, continue to come over social media and mainstream media, those calls are increasing especially on the democratic side. so i do see a bit of a shift in the narrative, among public opinion. and we're also seeing obviously a shift and messaging from the by the administration itself. and then that's partly in response to popular opinion, but even more so in response to what the administration is also observing on the ground and hearing from the error of allies and partners. now how do we have

a loyal audience from out to 0 in the us? but of course most people are watching the us, the television networks and reading the new s newspapers. and that is how they're getting. the view of this will do you think the us coverage is balanced? all people getting the whole story is not up to the us population has been conditioned for decades, if not for generations to adopt one negative and one side, which is the, is it a negative accompanied and aided by the popular culture of weather, from hollywood movies over 1000 of them who and evicted ups and motions, palestinians, and the best, the, the kids as dividends, as of the civilized people. and people who do not share the what's in bad use, uh, and universal badges. so the human a zation of the better thing is that ups and motions not only in,

in the popular culture, but even in the education system in the textbooks in history books. so you talk about academia, news, and even policies that have been one sided. so the ultimate result is not on the a bias against box the an organs who believes that there's only one that are active and when the alone october 7 came to culminate this the way uh, is there a managed to receive president by the end the us media who prides itself to be objective only when it comes to the eastern in the stomach issues. is it a and managed to put in the head off by then certain claims that we have not verified and this way or a very damaging to the 1st thing in the end to what was happening on the ground. for example, the claim of fed beheaded children and the atrocities that allegedly

him as committed against is a baby's. there was no mention that it was a military operation, mainly against the military. uh, posts of the of is there any who have been deceiving? the uh, the enclave of goes out for 16 years. it's never talked about to about 6 to about 50. so but for the 2nd of the chairs and the many months before, what is there and has been committing atrocities and has leased the they the violence supp lotus to invade been about us thing in homes and so on. so the public has not seen anything about the conflict 3 since the except on october 7th. so okay . yeah. let me let me bring it in. how so? and let me bring in her son though, but we have seen, i'm sure this has been, i'm here in doha at the moment, although i live in new york, most of the time. i'm show us media is covering those pictures of these riley

military around the al chief of hospital, the attacks on all the hospitals in gauze of city. those pictures really distressing pictures of those babies in the incubators who have to be taken out of incubators because there was no fuel. the 1st nurse who tried to help those, those united babies, shot dead buys, is riley sniper, all of these, the reasons do think that as julie said, posing is changing. absolutely. and we have to keep in mind the yes, there are influence operations in progress on the part is not on the part to offset the opponent stuff. is that, but let's not insult the intelligence of the american view along the lines that ultimately yes, sometimes the influence of patients are afraid. she's like, uh, some missing information might to end up allowing actions such as what we're seeing in the honda. basically, an actual mass that goes going on under the auspices of the,

under the claim that it is near the an attack on from us back to i think ultimately one once provide the with the, the appropriate information the american public is able to, to, to sort through and it becomes the responsibility of the, the other side to, to provide that yes, there's an ad and as an advantage for isn't in here, but it's not, it's not to add to it. you'd like complete as it seems to be at times. and ultimately, these images, the image is a hard that are going in the higher order every 6 to quite through the whole thing and, and insert them circuits in novels they need more clarification. and i mean, just with the patient. ok, the, the truancy of how much, how much engaged in an operation that had submitted to the aspect. so it may be, but one cannot be not at the cruelty that has to happen. whether it's their name or

her in the, in the very 2nd months, and any kind of excuse of that feeds into the whole, the whole night that you cannot listen to the other side. so it's important to underline the fact that the american public watches listens, sees, and the acts of portland gates. the question of providing these facts, that is, there should be an interesting in, i don't think that accept hasn't been by, than was the into the position. you have to get him set to be as honest, even a boy, he's not jewish nonbillable. and his supports of the, of the matter of fact the and it said something to be questioned and to be actually be you. so if you have the counselor before, but the, bringing julie now we've, we've heard the talking about what's been going on around these hospitals in gauze and city really, really distressing. i'm wondering whether some of this, when you hear what present biden says on some of these things make similar week

that's just listen to what he said a short time ago as my open expectation, that there will be less trish of action route to contact and we're we're, which is really, is also, there's an effort to take this part us to deal with the release of prisoners that's pretty negotiated as well as countries are engaged. so i need some help from the hospital. must be hospitals must be protected, the u. s. president there and a spokesman for the national security council said we do not support striking a hospital from the. busy we don't want to see a firefight in a hospital. julie just now is off to they said all of that. these aren't ready. military did the right inside the biggest hospital in gaza city. i'll ship a hospital. that's exactly right. and we have seen a similar dynamic several times over the last few weeks whether it was calling 1st

you mandatory and pauses or for an increased and in a delivery or now for the protection of the hospital. so we do hear these statements based messages from blinking from bite and from others of the administration. and yet we don't see israel shooting those messages on the ground. i think for biting there was a, a, a kind of a gamble that if he embraced israel quite publicly at the starts of every thing after october 7th. and that they knew he would have a little bit more leverage privately behind the scenes to give some of these messages. but as the operation very quickly unfolded, i think the administration stopped very quickly that israel was not going to uh, to take all the guidance that the us thought they might. whether is in terms of surgical strikes, whether in terms of dismantled hearing aids or now in terms of the hospital. so i think that's been a little bit damaging to the administration in terms of just really showing the, the limitations if you will, of the leverage that they have with israel,

even as though nothing jane has somewhat shifted over this last month's need had. so yes, the job i've been calling for more a to go in and only a very small number of trucks have gone in. i did some calculations since the 21st of october. it's an average of 46 trucks a day, which the u. n says is hardly inadequate. they wanted fuel to go in apparently some fuel is now going in a tiny amount of fuel. but that hasn't been any fuel for any of the us. those other days. they didn't want to tax on the hospitals of the us, made it clear it wants to roll for the policy new 40 at the end of the conflict. and that's a yahoo seems to have ruled that out. tell me what language does the us have if it really wants to use it. us has all the image or the set of is i would not be able to inflict all the suffering on the palestinians, both from the military, economic and other aspects of the suffering that the past seems, are never going without the total support of, of the united states with the ministers of for the different methods of. ready or

the, the justification the, the, the excuse, excusing or is that his behavior, they ability of the u. s. to prevent and these, all the international community as well as to the, you know, in the end and just a or punish the, the setup is that the, for the heart of crimes and the trends again. so you might think that has be completing. so if the u. s. once it can, i ask, is the stop and is the end would have no choice to stop? it may take a long time because it is an idea how um it has been humiliated by us and by the students, fastest of the palestinians engaged so who we are as one time after another to leave their homes and become a 2nd time in their lives. or in the field on slide generations to be refugees and to establish the other,

the 2nd knuckle that so is there is definitely is under the influence of the united states, but also. ready you cannot under estimate the engine. ready of the pro is an ex lobbies united states almost, and that is a known fact. i'm the one up on the, in the us that they bought the will of the congress and demand politicians who decide on the budget. and how much is that i looked at, for example, some of the students in the united states suffer from uh, you know, loans that they have to pay. we have so much unemployed people. we have so many uninsured people in the united states are working for such are suffering. and when they want to, uh, you know, uh, spend any money on this. even a government could be shut down because of the product is incomplete. but when it comes to the end, they would just find it what $14000000000.00 to ship for the setup wizard without

an accountability without any ability to view as to say stuff in there. and is there a would listen so, okay, there's an awesome if you had already has thoughts on has time. you had me had that saying that the us has is great leverage potentially tell us in the current political situation though, can president biden use that leverage to not see that the u. s, but not only does leverage the u. s. x should he a fact to the. ready is a lot of this money is transferred to is that as far as a door is rewarding, is the front door and therefore the responsibility of the binding i really station for the max record that's going on inside of that is key. but ken, joe, by the next difference, while i, i do not see him wanting to act this in the back, even if you want to do when we are a non election season. i mean,

the actions are a year away, but we're already kind of that the position and is taking place. i see him and he tries to nonsense, i'm going to direction, but then nothing else does not swans being got attacked and attacked harshly from the sign. that's the all they probably come. uh huh. i mean what we're talking here about all those who would like to be his opponents in the, in the november tons and tons of for it actions that, that was the savage. and by saying that you to abandon the, our ally and there's enough up to of support meeting at the, at the base level in order to apply that to up to the other accusations that by the new space. and you know that the week and then, but if he does not, and he does not seem to be doing it while he lists i anything americans and most of them americans and progress of the americans and the others. and others will see that back to the us from the city is not acceptable. and in particular in those key

states way where he needs to win in order to secure a 2nd time. so he's not saying that book position, but frankly, he comes across as a week. these are unable to in the ones his allies in i'm talking about the is read, i'm able to make a decision. that's what the basics, the she came from criticism and the sick unit is that her bland to me. what about the all the allies that the u. s. has that seems to be division in europe, but there are some big important players that are pushing out for a permanent c saw countries like frogs and spain, perhaps a slightly smaller country orleans, but it's a country that has real residents with this president. do you think you'll be listening to what some of those countries are saying? well, the store, i mean, i think all of this is feeding into the international conversation. and crudo and canada made some more pointed comments yesterday as well. but at the end of the day, what the us says on this issue is, tends to be uh, you know, kind of kind of steps their, their own agenda with,

with is real and doesn't always go along with where the rest of the world is on this and if and you, if anything, the directional call is usually the other way. um you, i will say you, i think it's more of the situation on the ground more then, you know, pressure from other allies or things like that. that would maybe shift things for the buyers and administration for bite and personally and again, i think we have started to see some of that all ready. and just as the um, as operation continues and the reality on the ground change that does constantly change the calculations. i think initially there was a sense when the, by the ministration to come out strong with a, you know, israel has a right to defend itself. and i think most allies got behind that very quickly. i think where things started to change was how they go about doing that. and that's what we're seeing, playing out progressively over these last few weeks. that's why we're starting to see allies change their messaging. and again, biting slightly doing it. but in real terms, you know, i think is still very much standing with, with israel, and i think on here as,

as others have mentioned, politically, needs to do that. i think personally also wants to do that at this moment on while, while still trying to restrain the civilian casualties. um, at least through rhetoric you had what about the legal perspective to all of this? because on this program, i had numerous international lawyers and nearly every one of them says that israel, in some way or the other is breaching international humanitarian law. and we've got the international criminal court investigating as well. i know the us isn't signed up to this, but do you think the white house is worried about being seen is complicit in terms of law? you know, i mean in terms of legal action against the us or is that that's like after the war is, is, is. ready so i don't think the any side is worried about that, and it can be deflected for a later time. but if i may say that in the pressure that the administration fee is may, 4th, the may, may 4th administration to take a. ready vision and in the start shifting,

the language as we have been seeing in the past 2 weeks is all kind of pressure definitely seems to be honest on the ground. uh that there is a lot of work next to be done from the site. is there any way that it was able to achieve military goals or not, which i believe it has failed and so far. and that's why it's been trying to pressure, and that's my getting most of the guns and bathing us because bombing screwed up, so on. and so for yesterday the people of guys are still standing and they're not complaining. i mean, when i say the company and they're not standing against the busting up as it sits, but the key pressure on the administration to date is the voters, especially america, most simple, if there was an out of americans with those who send a clear message to president by then that if there is no ceasefire, you will not get books. you will not get books in the back of ground states like arizona, georgia, michigan, ohio. ready nevada and so on. so. ready that will force me to think about the enter

the sofa as far as the, the democratic party. this is the interest of, is it a, one of these things start to be more distinguished along the lines of, you know, your own interest. you will see a different sandwich and more pressure on the administration to exhibit on, on this the julie just adding to that, do you think he'll, he'll be affected by more pressure coming from his own people because we're seeing all sorts of lexus of this sense being signed by political appointees by members of the us agency for international development and people in, in, in, in the state department. do you think that will have an effect on this president to know, lots of those people who've, assigning those left as well. i think it's notable that we're seeing these public letters and statements coming out from, you know, within the state department within usa id, within some of these important agencies. i do think it makes a difference and we know that separately or state blinking has tried to address some of these concerns and take some of these concerns on board. but with that said

again, at the end of the day, i think that biden's policies towards israel and towards israel. palestine is probably going to be a little bit bigger picture. and that anyone on single protest her action is going to influence and you, again, this is a very um, obviously very sensitive issue right now in the united states. and i think she knows that she probably is not going to please everyone, whether it's voters and constituents, whether it's persons working as administrator, spend, whether it's policy makers, you, there are very strong opinions across the board. and i think she's that are aware of that. she's also not new to this conflict. he's been engaged with israel now for decades. and i think that is he really influenced in history or on this that more than again, any one set of public opinion or one hole or something like that. thank you very much. julie, thank you to all guess today. julie norman has a name there and he had a wide coverage of the war on cause. a continues on that which is around the clock

without teams in israel on the west bank. and on the ground in gauze, you'll find more context and analysis on a website that which is there a dot com. we always welcome your input to post your comments on facebook dot com forward slash ha, inside story on x diploma, twitter at ha, inside story for me, james base and the team here in doha. stay safe. i'll see you soon. bye bye for now . the the oven dish about the job it slipped. the chicken put the full consist have much time a box with a good to go

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