tv Up Front Al Jazeera November 17, 2023 6:30am-7:01am AST
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have should have it should be in the north, from rebel groups, because hot reports russian fighters from the wagner's mercenary group, receiving a hero's welcome. after liberating molly's northern city of kiddo from to r a grapples. this is a major victory, both for wagner's in the multi and army. they have succeeded where the french forces have failed. and without the help of the un peacekeeping force that you are at rebels known as the as, or what forces held the town for over a decade. but are now on the retreat. does this, this is when we decided to reorganize ourselves to come back with more strength and the new strategy. janelle was once the strong hold of to our reg rebels wanting to create their own homeland. they call the as a wide, a territory almost doubled the size of france. after weeks of fighting thousands of residents of key down mostly to our reagan arabs are fleeing to neighboring
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mauritania. most are women and children. they carry with them. tales of hor, rate torture, husbands or brothers or fathers hacked to death rights group. believe molly's army and russian fighters have committed war crimes. these people are in this less, you know, they are conducting, you know, what they call scope. should f policy. they can't, everything in front of them on the civilian is the most affected one. so unfortunately, in molly's capital, by my coast, thousands gathered to celebrate the capture of kit, but also to denounce the un peacekeeping force. since the arrival of the situation has only gotten worse, hundreds of villages have been torched under their watch. they have been bystanders to communal violence. they need to get out the you and is withdrawing its peacekeepers in haste. almost half of their barracks are being taken over by our groups and don't hand it over to them all, you know army. after
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a series of military losses and defeat, the capture of kiddo is seen as a significant step in recapturing last territories from arm groups in northern molly and caustic us on the caps, $50.00 to the to the funding serenity. it's a consecration of the mullin. i mean they have been recruiting, fight this and most importantly, this week the shows that being an alive, it's a shift looks. this spells the end of the 2015 ounce. here's piece of cord signed by molly and forces into our grapples with the un peacekeepers leaving molly and russian fighters are stepping in, attempting to impose peace by force to a country spiraling into civil war. nicholas hawk, i wonder 0. that's it for me for this, but it's, but you can find more use analysis on our website that's i'll just say we're a don't come upfront the
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a me in my hand give citizen of risking their lives to secretly film the ongoing persecution. fair people, 101 east reveals there never before seen footage on all jersey, 6 weeks after her mazda is attach on october 7th. israel continues, it's been varden and siege of 1000. while israel's response has had the full support of the majority of european countries. some dissenting voices are making themselves heard and calling forth the spice. so what role is your playing in the israel does a war? and how has it support for israel changed over time? our last renown economist and former greek finance minister, just verify in an upfront special the yeah, those are factors. thank you so much for joining me on upfront. it has been 6 weeks since a mazda is attacked on october 7th, and the start of israel's been barred meant of gaza. the vast majority of european
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governments were unequivocally supportive of israel, as well as its response. but in recent days, belgium's deputy prime minister is called for sanctions against israel and french president emmanuel, my crone has called to quote work towards a ceasefire. are we seeing a shift and the positions of european governments? tragically, it has taken more than $11000.00 debts to see a minute shift shift, which is so late coming and so small that as you opinions, we should hand our heads in shame. hang our heads in shame. what they think should have been the initial response that go on october 8th, what should the european union, which is your paying states have been saying the thing that logic dictates which is to be young condemnations. we all condemn war crimes, welcome them. horrible, horrible things that have been done to ease early citizens,
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to die citizens by hamas, to palestinians by separate us in the west bank. but you know, let's move on beyond contamination because we europeans have created this problem. we've created centers of honda semitism problems against the people of the game origin or the from that land, the jews, and then we subjected them to the holocaust. then we support that, the vital dogma or victim of a land without the people for the people without the land as if by the sign was empty of people. this is settled that a white supremacist language, the british used as an australia to declare to stay at that. and we use an empty land and the people that have to justify the genocide of uh, the ability gene is in australia and not just mistake. the other didn't dania the, the in south africa. and, you know,
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in the 1920 isn't that there's the process begun by which europe we're starting to get the read off. it's go over the programs against the jews. maybe get rid of the jews from europe by supporting a general side against the police thing is this time victim not to be this has been going on for a d. so what's different happened at the beginning of october? so for everybody simple, we should have demanded the end of the state of our cards, which creates 2 different legal systems on the same small part of land between 2 different peoples. that is the source of all the violence violence for decades. we have a prime minister in that israel, who's a zone, but the whole point of his existence was to destroy the peace process. and the idea of who has one objective and likes to make sure that there is never
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a 2 state solution. the solution to joe bites and advocates among mccullin's of advocates. so this is what we should have the content, all acts of violence and at the same time say to both sides to both extremes. we're not going to tolerate this. there's going to be a peace process under the united nations. there's going to be a complete clump of down all kinds of islands, whether it's simpler virus of the west bank by users, or how much volume is again, just varies. and we're going to sort this mess out once in vogue. well, you're paying commission president ursula bundle in propose a kind of vision and moving forward that engaged some of the ideas that you just mentioned. uh, she offered 5 principals to guide the future of the guys and strip. those include no safe haven for terrace. no. her mass leg government, no long term is really security presence. no force displacement of palestinians and no sustain block a. what do you make of the proposal and does it fully represent what the you are
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people want were missing? so, so the presents knowing she essentially violated on principles of european democratic process by trying to isabel and effectively cheer leading the what kinds of pieces are in the guys asleep? as for the precise proposal, which comes i have to say that we, we have a duty not to take me just for the ryan said seriously, damn 25. the movement that i'm part of. we have a component and the petition for heading mobile and dismissal. she's an embarrassment to get a being, she doesn't speak for you to be and she shouldn't be that should we should get through to her as quickly as possible. having said that, let's take the 5 points. you mentioned essentially what she's doing is she's playing the game. well, one thing out of the story that the stage solution by isolating gaza from the boulder problem or how to have 2 states living side by side. or if we
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want to be more humanist and more them vicious, to talk about a single state that the secular and does not discriminate between jews and, and, and by the stance. she doesn't do that. she said that is as well and said that's fine, that sort of people guys know that sort of thing for the type state in westbank because you see allow me to ask the question, what is how much where do just disappear? yeah. sign the so the idea today what happens in of what happens with the west bank, where we have settlers as we speak of throwing out the rise in killing, murdering maiming palestinians and throwing them off their system aloud. you have it by the stimulus already that has been completely accumulated, then the price of annual forwarded the over the west bank. and you have a government which clearly says that they are going to onyx the whole thing from the able to the see what this is for me like an suggestion for that. just be with
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the guys. that is to become the useful idiots of been. you mean the thing out that's home is what's left on the land is that's why we, europeans must bundle together and get through the earlier you talked about it, your long history. and he could have used the prosecution and persecution of use violence against you. is this holocaust guilt that leads to this place of sort of not pushing back sufficiently against israel's policies and practices. i'm. i'm asking it partly because there's a poll conducted by political in 2021. but i found that 41 percent of those polled and you have agreed that quote against the background of the history of the holocaust, europe. there's a special responsibility for israel not 39 percent disagree, but 20 percent. don't know me. that's a sizable number of people and so it makes me wonder if that informs their decision to not some more strongly condemn israel's actions. possibly, yes, there is
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a very good reason why we hear appearance, bad the guilt over the whole coast. it is because we are responsible for it, not just the german announces the cut off, and that's is the greek knots is the hand getting the answers in french, and that's all the collaborators. we'll play a small button up individually, but in terms of our culture, in terms of our nations, in that uniquely even event in history, in the history of the world books, humanity, all the holocaust. but the question i put to my fellow human beings, especially with my german friends, and i mean that those things is this. how far must is, is ethnic cleansing of the palestinians proceed before our justified guilt over the holocaust no longer prevents us from challenging is the ethnic cleansing of the palestinian. so to put it a bit more boot that me,
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how much palestinian blood do we need to wash off the guilt of the holocaust to the provocative question. a week after her master's attack on is really civilians you refuse to condemn either from us board netanyahu committing atrocities across the israel, palestine instead of condemning either you condemned europeans and americans as you're doing very much today. as the true villains, we've been quote, making peace, impossible in israel palestine isn't really fair to offset all of these war crimes onto the west. however guilty, we all may be, shouldn't have madison is really government also be held accountable for their actions. of course they shouldn't be, but allow me to say that i am going to be in. if i were indian or chinese or south africa, or like an american, i wouldn't be saying what i said. but i think it'll be, and i am refusing to play the phone, the game, the other europeans play, especially what comes in sending. they're looking at the people who are now
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a suffering book as early as in thursday is and betweens. and there was in the land of engine by this time single. what do we get or bands do you know, we look down upon those people say, oh, you know you, i mean most, you're killing each other. we're going to condemn you whether we condemn you know, the last week or the 2nd is well, the thing out, hold a pillow in the end, we, europeans look down upon them. i think we are superior. we're not superior. with infinity to me, inferior. we of a centralized, have created colonialism. we have created the semi peers. we have created the mentality of imperialism. we are behind the mass that goes to the being carried out by both sides. so we are the last people on this planet. it is going to reveal started the, the model, the right of the high ethical standards that's with allow us to bound up on these
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people and condemn them. i'm not going to play this game anymore. i called them everywhere. okay? but you know what? those who say to me why you don't come down, you have, as i said to them, whether you lost the opportunity to, to ask me this question. the moment you waiting to come down, the coming of, i'm jealous by this thing in general, unless nobody's to be in general. this is a legitimate list is riley joyce, beside the beast, to the women. old man, you lost the moment that you forgot me neglected to condemn that at this stuff day . this condemnation gave me any more. let jessica with us quickly. the very simple question. do we or do you not want to see from very verdict with the c and i use this expression provocatively, do we want to see from the say i don't care about, is the palestine or anything? do we want to see people who live without the fear of being killed with a quote,
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civil and political rights? what has happened to the united states in particular? have we forgotten the great civil rights matches in those 96? this? why can't we have the same mentality about the line? defy this thing, and start with one assumption that should be common amongst civilized women, men transgender. whatever we happen to be, and that is that there should be no discrimination, no apart hide in that bland how we're going to work it out. whether it will be 2 states, multi ethnic states sitting side by side, one state for everyone that doesn't discriminate between jews between those palestinians, adams and so on. i don't care. let's begin with this. in the past few weeks, these things and the biggest pro palestine march has ever recorded both in europe and in the united states. has there been a shift in the public's attitude towards palestinians and if so,
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this lead to any kind of substance, a government positions changing? not really. what do we have seen? is it through a expression of the feelings out there in the communities? the people who are viewed up in the majority have traditionally traditionally recognized the ethnic cleansing of the palestinians. since the not box is $94.00, that the majority of the french, the majority of the germans, the majority of the greeks, we always understood because they always think about this that, that there was an attempt ethnic group of plans. the people that do not see our governments shifting fast enough so that we would be able in the future to answer our grandchildren when they ask us, what did you do when the thousands of children in guys that were being much that good in cold blood? what some governments have done and response has been to ban protesting, france,
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germany hungry, austria have all been solidarity protests with palestine. other european liza tried to deal legitimize them, framing them all as anti semitic, or extremist events. one, german mt events, suggested stripping non e u nationals of their right to protest. but how dangerous is this backlash for european civil rights? and the global policy mean rights movement as a whole? we're look mouse, answer your putting in question with an example. a few days ago, a friend who happens to be, and he's a jew who lives in berlin. the stock is very carefully the german constitution. the stop is what had constitutional rights as it has been of germany. i should discover that the police cannot bind her from doing it. one person demonstrates that there is a standing in the middle of a square with
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a plaque of which red as any is riley. and does it do i say stop the general side of other statements. and she was that i need, i say more the moment we allow this to happen. the moment to allow our police force upon them. it's our instruments, an old us of a state to the end is that i really do in the middle of believing that she's being that us. that because of the expression of a view, which enough was not even spoken. but it was written on a blackboard that is a very slippery slope to, to do things more. but to understand that this here you have a white gentleman policeman. i always think a jewish woman who happens to be very as well in but i mean, and the 2nd thing that happens is the end of civil liberties. photos, sophia, october 7th. the tax has also been
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a rise in anti semitism across europe. we've seen by the top cocktails thrown on a synagogue in germany. we've seen stars of david sprayed on residential buildings in france. there was a jewish cemetery desecrate in austria. this is all very worry some stuff. however, some accusations of anti semitism have been against people who are simply criticising israel's human rights. reckon, for example, in response to amnesty international stating that war crimes had been committed by all parties. leroy high at this. what's the reason for these really ministry of foreign affairs called an embassy international, anti semitic, and a cold propaganda organization that's working for him as terrorist. how does one thread the needle between dismissing the idea that all support for palestine is anti semitic? without the legitimize of the fact that there is a very real rise in anti semitic hate. crimes against jewish people going on. right . as we speak, whenever you have a tragedy, like the one on folding in the line to further sign is i have today the ex things
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out of a great beneficiaries. on the one hand, the gross empty semites, and all the other hand, the gross. i hate it. i hate that as a part of savings that allow me to answer by means of a person story. i grew up in the factories. dictators repeating grace. weird cut on those binding of the ministers. they were abominable. they were imprisoning greek democrats. we lived in fear for 7 years, all the early part of my life. now, whenever, as far as the gentleman, chances are of the time, the brunt. great ma'am. who decides the government? he was being accused by the greek freshest empowered here in athens as being on the greek and ms. hailey. and that's right,
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the december. uh. whenever the greek confronted the fascist government visits and flashes government talk to him a talked about him as a greek hating greek. this is what we have now happening across the world. there is a concert, the propaganda effort to identify, to equate opposition, to the thing, equis, fascist government, and to the archive state. the key has 6. so successfully created with i'm this, i'm the moment and you can relate to the to an objection to f process. the regime which oppresses jewish intellectual, jewish democrats, just as much as it the opposite is anyone else the moment you identify that group as some of others seem without the same, it isn't. that is the greatest victory of, of the so much and go back to the previous example with the eighty's have. it's the
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kind of a list the, the one that i referred to in berlin. the is early june that was arrested for protesting. isn't that the height of the segment has to have a white gentleman, police officer at ice thing, and he's really do involving now a lot of your as far right parties are providing unequivocal support for israel at the moment with those same parties often have a deep and long history of anti semitism themselves, for example, you have a marine depends national riley party in france, which fully supported israel. but the party was founded by a former assessing member and another founder depends on file that was convicted for minimizing the whole cause. it many a point it towards someone trans among far right parties in hungary and poland and other places. how do you make sense of these trans we're far right? parties have these incredibly powerful pro israel views, but also in the deep histories of anti semitism. what is it worldwide phenomena and
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it happens getting police do we have not says who are complaining actively on of the send me the throw cuz they weren't even saving those disgusting. conflicts in volumes about si on and so on. the conspiracy theories are against the jews, and now they are, you know, they are waiting these really flag and acting on the idea of to kill as many as soon as possible. you have this in the united states. you have an event jellicoe movement which is of explaining the right wing it was extremely embassy, may take for 200 years in the united states. and suddenly they have made the extreme design. they position the masonic position where by god, supposedly he's going to reappear in the line to follow stein and that needs that needs, that makes it necessary to expands all the palestinians from that line. this is
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a was why phenomena. it's very, an interesting one. i think that, you know, since you all are just so side kind of at least side guy police are going to have a big day for the next time that he is expedited. but what, what do we see? what we see is, you see, that's what really very simple, a flip of a switch from a rabbit and descend, that is to wrap it in symbol, a sum of all the i because in the end what the output i means is a group of people to be more nice. it's so happened that it was the jews. now it can be anything is going to be the syrians and can be the palestinians and could be, you know, the belgians, it doesn't really matter. they need a scape goat. they need to be able to point other people to say if these people with advocated like would be here. this is what gibs did in the 19 twenties and $0.90 so successfully with the jews being targeted and being the victims. today's happening frowns by the same
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people without giving the jews they are now targeting audience americans and so on . so the greatest enemy is of fascism that requires scape goats. the fact that the goal, the flip flop between different target groups is notation. i wanna ask you about something else of european countries have long been involved with sending weapons to israel. the back home international piece of research institute found that italy and germany have supplied israel's military with crucial weapons and equipment that is now being used on the ground in gaza. the u. k. has helped both of these really air force while germany has sent tank stage real as well. there's a lot of awareness of u. s. military a to is. are we talking about it all the time? we talked with the billions that we send, but how underplayed is europe's direct military assistance to israel
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severely. and it takes, uh, 2 forms. you mentioned one form selling is a weapon. this is the 2nd floor buying weaponry. for me, sir. cars is a major produce, it will weapons as well, and not just lisa weaponry, but also spyware. think of it or so my government hitting raise the, the government of the 70 bucks up. i oppose. they purchased better though. they've used it against their political opponents. they didn't even use it just by one on one another. so is a, is a location in the international trade, all surveillance and lisa weaponry is, is a very important location. and you to is an active support. the place now to those who are watching us and within yes, but you must have is a survive. my message to you folks is, is a, is not in danger. how mass?
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yes, they have a capacity to inflict a lot of pain on these are, but it is not a present and clear danger for these early state is a is a tremendously powerful state. it's a nuclear state. it's called an ami onto the thief and technologically and good to be advised. there is no way that these really amik a news to anyone. only the palestinians being ethnically cleansed and they are very clear guidelines. but that is really government supported by the west to get rid of them. finally do it at the gave them from the gaza strip from jerusalem and from the west bank you know, his back pocket. thank you so much for joining me in upfront. appreciate your insights is always and i think it's all right, that is our show upfront. we'll be back later this week.
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the grieving mother and her child a 40 year old husband and father, a full show data in use for you. we took our children into the olive trees when suddenly we saw them running towards us. we ran, but he had forgotten his phone and went back to get it. so he bent down into shots and she was just trying to provide transfer me to the the right to organize ation. yes, dean monitored 1597 investigations of these re reset live islands. can we see the gangs palestinians between these 20052022, only 3 percent of those investigations related to a conviction, the regime, the cold and the place to complete the useless at this time of war. the situation is so,
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but that is really police hardly responding to complaints made by palestinians itself, of violence levels, family and friends now joined the many of the thousands of palestinians who gave up hope for justice. long ago the land of the free america has never been a real democracy. the black people never experience democracy may be excludes divisions and struggles in america's electoral system. aside for and against equal representation. and the democratic process is the country that's learning how to be a democracy, but it's not there yet. one person, one vote on al jazeera, a thought provoking on. but the patient doesn't have time to wait for the extremely unfortunate, but there are no quick wins and eventually such odd hating interviews. do you feel like america is less than the age of these days, or is it just a different full?
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i think the demography of the process facing realities do you see that the fracture is already starting the g 7 in the us on one side, china and the brakes on the other? i think there is a huge piece of that to happen to the story on told to how does era, the 11 people a dads and many more injured off to announce that is rarely strike on causes to bonnet refugee the cherry johnston. this is i'll just say are a lot from also coming is ready. soldiers remain inside garza's largest hospital. the army claims its found the tunnel in the body of a captive nearby. but how must denies operate from i'll see from the group.
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