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a decade. while israel central banks as a conflict within major shock through its economy, plus how the wars deepening lebanon's, economic prices, counting the costs on al jazeera, the vindication of terrorism and approval patient head of the presidential elections in october. which still is generally an in depth coverage to 0 is when you close to the cost of the story a hi, i'm steve clements and i have a couple of questions. what this is reels for. i'm gonna say about us foreign policy. and what are the long term consequences for the region and the world? let's get to the bottom line. the october 7th, and its aftermath. we'll definitely go down in history as a turning point for the middle east. a mazda is attack, and israel's all out war and gaza have forced countries around the world. do we think their priorities is real?

the plants to leapfrog over the palestinians and in a great itself into the region are now on hold. for the us, it's plans to pivot to asia, to focus on china and avoid getting drag back into the middle east. are also gone with the wind. so what are the far reaching implications of the cost of war? not only for the palestinians and israelis, and what happens next? today i'm talking with john alterman, the director of the middle east program at the center for strategic and international studies. john, thank you so much for joining us today. thank you. me a start out. you were a very powerful, interesting article. i want to have everyone go look at it. it's on the csr. yes, website called is real, could lose. the implication is, how mosque goodwin so tell us how. how mosque goodwin, mike moss is goal is not to defeat israel on the battlefield in any near term from us. his goal is to arrest israel's integration in the world. israel's integration into the middle east to make israel more isolated to continue to put is really

is under pressure to, to over the long term. create a situation where palestinians are united around from us, the palestinian authority collapses and from us can bring regional support other support to eventually conquered recently what they did on october 7 was much more successful than ever thought. but i think we have to consider just how long the high from that is likely to last. egypt broke through the the supposedly impregnable bar left line and 1973. they use water cannons to break through a sand burn that these really start egypt and never could cross recapture the sine are briefly egyptians pushed back over, i'm sorry,

these are always pushed back over and 100 kilometers outside of cairo. and yet the different military continues 50 years later, to treat 1973 as their great achievement. armed forces fe is our to is october 6th. every year in egypt. for 50 years break, nearly breaking through a defense was a victory. hum us broke through the impenetrable is really offensive 29 places. with using techniques, he's really never contemplated these really start. we have this figured out. we haven't figured out technologically. we have mos figured out. we know how to play with work permits, who have all these things. palestine is not anybody's radar screen. we have one and we're going to be doing not only the abraham records will do things that the saudis are doing things that the indians were in a different place. and i'm honest, his argument is you're not going to be able to do that. we're going to drag you right back to this conflict. we're going to tear you apart from all of these

alliance as you've been building for the last 50 years. and you will suffer as we suffer and we're ultimately going to win because we have no results. and you do got support from us wants to do, they changed the, the, the parameters of this conflict and israel is committed to eradicating from us. but it's not really clear what that means or how you do that. i think when you kind of look at the question of eliminating how mos in almost every one i would say in the western world kind of agrees with that after the horror of what they saw on october 7th. but in the, all the governments in mail world one are limited out from us. so you want to get rid of have only a small number, because here you have an on group to embrace is political islam is backed by the iranians. right. and for virtually all of the are governments that makes them and ask them, and they would love to see from moscow. i think at the same time when you look at

the horror of what they unleashed on october 7th and the subterranean tectonics that of, of the centrally injustice in keeping a population in a vice and a very, very high pressure vice for a long time. some in some places of the world, but i would also say the west paint can among a lot of palestinians, what, how much did none, the less feels good to them feels legitimate to them. is that a problem? because if this becomes an id, a lot id allergy that's deeper. how do you separate from us from palestine? and in part that's what is really prime minister netanyahu is saying is he's in a sense saying all palestinians are homeless, right? so yeah, there's argument, it israel and i think for some validity to it that the nets and yahoo wanted to have both from us and the policy. and it's already he wanted from us to, to, to demonstrate that you could make peace with the palestinians. but he wanted

a relatively a flexible policy and it's already in the west bank to deal with and sort of keep both, both tracks going. so i can't really make a post, i need you to the policies themselves aren't united. i think to my mind that the brutality of a moss deal legitimizes to move me in a really profound way. i don't think there's an excuse for i don't i, i yeah i spoke to somebody from my pod costs earlier this week and possible babel translating them at least i spoke to somebody who grew up and gone. so who will tell you all about the horrors of god? so it doesn't just define what, how much did i think some of the guys were hi, i kept her gone. it's, it's, it's all kinds of issues involving what sort of hard causes angry at what, how moss did now for triggering this hell and the destruction of their some of the city. and some say, as far as i can tell,

some say just the the to show the we won't be trample that we have dignity that we can fight back. is important. one of the important things. so in an escape, while i spoke to the color and say i was talking about using garza, he never been is really the only is really he ever saw was an object flying overhead dropping back the guys is systematically never see is really and so there's a whole world inside garza and from us since it took power and gaza in 2005 has, has been creating its own reality teaching. and so narrative about israel, it's own its own theology about what society should be like. also distorting of, of guys and society to where do you see john,

the big powers around this crisis. saudi arabia, iran, united states, egypt is, it seems to me when you kind of look at this, one of the, you know, truth you've been talking about for decades is you can't just ignore this conflict . they will come screaming back and get you in the abraham accords for sort of as you wrote, kind of trying to ignore the palestine equation. palestine is come right back. but it seems to me that this conflict could go a number of directions that either enhance or detract from big powers around the conflict. how do you see the geo political context of this? great, so let, let me start with sort of russian, china, i think china has had deepening relations with israel for a long time. china with that question, has decided we're going to play the global sales card. we're going to play the, the injustice card. the china is very sympathetic to the policy, the narrative and playing this as trying to place many of its international engagements. by thinking how does this affect united states?

we can get an edge over the united states with, with audiences we care about. let's play that way. i think that's what china is doing, but i do think the china expects and will push to be included in whatever piece deal comes about. they're looking for pers, these are looking for people who recognize trying as role. so i think they'll be suddenly pro palestinian, not necessarily pro from us, but which is old range in a way. because what about china and sing? john, what about china and you know, you know, i mean, what about it's populations that it has in advice and kind, realistically, chinese people that's come to middle eastern states and they say, do not talk about it. and they say, okay, and, and they thought it was a, quite the clerk's done about it and they do. so in china is an interesting demonstration case for just how much of and power middle eastern governments have over both public opinion and over

a careful opinion about the things in the world they've often. so we can't do that . you know, it's, we have, we have our public opinion when they want us to or if they do, and they certainly steered on understand job. so i think china is going to capitalize they want to use this as a way to be recognized as a great power without doing the kinds of things that a great power would be expected to do. right. russia, once again, a bottom feeder, they look at fragile places, they look for small advantages. i don't think they're pulling any constructive role here in saudi arabia. realistically the government is trying to tamp down some of the pro palestinian sentiment. they're trying to guide it. when i look inside the papers, the saudi papers are not over the moon, hostile to israel, that they're a little more deliberate. i think my understanding is there, there is that costing? so do you leadership anything with their own eric street? i mean, in a way, of course,

the saudis have long been opponents of the most of brotherhood. you know, how mazda is looked at as a independent or, you know, fellow traveler with the most and brotherhood. so you can understand that. but if your choice and partnership is that all we're going to become pro is real over the error. is that a problem for that purpose? or i think their, their argument is let's find a, let's find a way to be sort of pro palestinian. they've halted things to this rule. i think they're, they're not, they've told people on the one hand, we're not ready to talk about post, caucus conflict environment, helping opinion, all those kinds of things. but they've also told some americans we've been in the kingdom, the art strategic orientation toward having some sort of understanding of israel remains in place. so it's just suspended for now. yeah, moratti's as well. i think trying to use ways to, to camp down some of the sentiment without squashing it. right. um, you know, and both saudi arabia and, and in the you are,

you are pretty serious. kaden pretty sophisticated in the way they engage with social media and public sentiment and i think they're trying to keep it within boundaries. egypt and jordan are 2 places that have, i think a lot more of public anger and probably the, the government is less sophisticated in ways to, to shape it. i think they are worried. egypt has a big role to play and jordan has, this is start connection with palestine. you read the picture, danny and foreign minister a couple of weeks ago. and so, yes, i asked, he almost never used a word from us and would only do it one directly for us. it was all about palestine in his point was we have to use this is a way to push for a 2 state solution. i think ultimately egypt is going to have to be the keystone of whatever happens next and gaza in terms of logistics for reconstruction. in terms of governance, future funds have their tend to goals into gaza through their, their link, their intelligence links to other things that they'd back to when they controlled

garza until 1967. but egypt as a country with a whole bunch of problems and financial, in other words, and i think egypt is going to be careful what it does is can be trying to get things, but also served. it's natural, as you're sorry to say one more thing where i think a lot of this all highlights is the, the sustain since rowdy of the united states. there is clearly no country or collection of countries that can begin to do what the united states can do. tony blinking has been running around the world, i think has been trying to, to bridge an increasingly large gap between these rallies and, and the rest of the world certainly between these rows. me or, i mean, how would you great is, i mean i see him running all around the world to try and i see him not getting as money as an action is i would have thought the secretary of state of the press

united states getting the 2nd side of it is where the american people do. they think that this global engagement is somehow paying off for them, or they getting exhausted by it. i am amazed at just how much attention sustained attention because of work is attracting. the conventional wisdom in the middle east, among other places, was that the world has as washed, his hands of this young people, especially their interest interest payment. they're interested in, in jobs. your air abuse are over policy and that's an old issue of and i think this is one of a tiny number of issues in the world that can get billions of people exercise, you know, frankly another issue and it's, it's strange, a strange girl. i think eligibility issues are another issue that billions of people exercise. i'm not sure there's another. those are the only 2 i can think of

. they're not similar at all, but i think they, they somehow speak deeply to something it's sort of in green, didn't people the visits? this emotional reaction, i'm frankly surprised because everything i had been hearing in the middle east for more than 10 years on every side of this equation on these really side on the arab side, the golf, our loving snares, you know, we're, it's there, but it's, it's not it's not a motivating issue and i think it americans, to it's americans have gotten interested whether this translates to american interest in foreign policy, american interest in the world, whether people think about the us role in the world. i'm having a much harder time understanding that i can't tell you. i keep running across americans who tell me is a 3000 euro problem. it's not

a 3000 new. okay. yeah, it's, it's a, it's a relative. what do that point? i used to talk to senator george mitchell who was on envoy on this got so frustrated and he said his response was, hey, call us in 400 years when you get over these religious, you know, fanatic words, but you know, i and, and he was basically saying there's nothing that can be done. i know you don't share that you, but that he was out there is a problem. nationalism. right? and nationalism is a relatively recent phenomenon in the way of the issue of, of jewish immigration to palestine is quite recent, obviously. influenced by the holocaust but this is a relatively recent problem which i think has no perfect solution, but certainly ways to improve the situation. and again, whether, whether americans say they've been fighting for 3000 years,

we find you in row 3000. i don't care whether americans say, you know, this does affect our security or whether americans say us can do things that nobody else can do. i don't know we're, we're people come out on this. i don't think the president knows, but i don't think the president is thinking in those terms. and certainly one of the interesting things, and you know this much further than i do, i think within the government is that the, the position joe biden is taking is a position that used to be the standard us government position productions. right. right. conventional and for he's been, you know, in the say, 50 years ago during the senate, this was a sort of mainstream position. it's not a mainstream position anymore. you have an increasing number of younger and more diverse govern employees to say, what's happening in my name. i don't know where that breaks, i think certainly in the us communities of color and younger people are in a very different position where the presenter is how that shapes us foreign policy

. this makes the question of what happens after you have tony blinking, saying, gosh, i can not be occupied again. gosh, i cannot be shrunk again. you have, i'm sure it's rarely by mister netanyahu coming on saying, you know, we're going to determine every security aspect of the future of gaza. what is, as you begin looking at a place where the schools have been bomb, the roads have been bomb. the infrastructure has been bomb me. what's going to happen to this 140 square miles, which he wrote so eloquently about afterward, which is here twice the size of the district of columbia, 2300000 people. there will have to be reconstruction, but frankly people don't want to reconstruct things. all i have is really the bottom again. i mean there's going to have to be some sort of understanding with he is released again. this is why i think there needs to be an arrow bro, to partly to do some financing by part and partly do some policing and partners just some governance support and partly to legitimate that this is not a foreign imposed solution. but an arab solution is you're gonna have to be

a role for the policy. it's already, but the policy is already can't effectively govern the west bank. you can't take over a hospital conflict affected region and cause or right now it's, there's going to have to be a lot of people coming together. us can't do it, but the us can help coordinate again. this is where i think we're, we're going to see this sort of fit that the sustain unique ability of the united states to do these kinds of hard things. i think there's going to be a whole set of transitions that is real. i think there's going to be a political transition. a lot of the people responsible for security for october 7 are going to be sac. there's going to be commissions of inquiry, looking at all the failures that went to it. i think then you mean antonio is not going to be the prime minister, when all the dust settles? i'm not sure who will be. i would like to think that

you're going to have an israeli government that says we have to rethink how we're approaching this. but i'll tell you when i speak to both israelis and palestinians, people tell me after what we've seen in the last month. the people who are arguing for co existence haven't been empowered by the last month of hostility. the people who argue for co existence on both sides, right, are saying, look at who these people. all right? and so we have a, we all have a journey ahead of us. let me just ask you finally, did joe biden make a big strategic mistake when he came in, he sort of largely ignored the palace in the inside of this. he said, we're going to focus on asia the pivots at age at the time, which you know, hadn't anticipated what didn't happen with ukraine, but, you know, i think more deeply, you'd seen the trump administration lay the groundwork for the abraham court. you saw jared cushion or run this and it largely ignored the palestine question just

sort of shifted to the side. and a lot of people thought of all people. joe biden, former chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, a kind of rival, if you will, to, is really prime minister netanyahu over time. they didn't like each other that he would come in and reset things in a way that would include horizon for israel and palestine again. and a lot of people think that was a, an opportunity miss. so did joe, by make a mistake at the beginning of his administration, that in part contributed to this environment. i don't think so because you can't make a peace agreement unless both sides feel some urgency and necessity to make a deal. when joe biden came in, either side felt either an urgency or a necessity to make an agreement with the boss wasn't interested then you mean nothing yahoo wasn't interested. and i think, you know, the, the us can, can sort of pushing push and push and try to but this,

the conditions did not lead either side to say this is really unacceptable. and so i think you try to prevent doors from closing. certainly nobody wanted a, a catastrophe, like october 7th to happen. but if you don't have partners, it was things that us officials have said a lot in the past as the us can't one piece more than the parties themselves. and i just don't think it was a, it was a good environment. i think now people do see the possibility of environment. but there's a lot of building, there's going to have to go on to get there and tired of it is you have a profound leadership vacuum on both. the pals spinning is really side and we're going to have to go through political transitions on both the policy and is really side to have an agreement working toward an agreement can help be part of that

process. but, but there are no leaders now, maybe this conflict will help create some leaders who can take us to a better place, how mosque and to survive in this future plan. or do you think come, us will be designated? i think the flames of moss will go away, the embers of us will remain and the only way to distinguish the embers is to have an alternative, an alternative that gives dignity and some sort of some sense of self determination to pause things in causes. the news is realize have up to now been very reluctant to do that. i think it's in their profound interest to, to change that to you. well, john alterman is big me a present sky chair and global security and g o strategy at the center for strategic and international studies here in washington. thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us today. thank you, steve. and so what's the bottom line? the battle over homeland has been going on for a century and with the support of the west is really has been the dominant power

setting the agenda and dictating the terms of engagement. now the world needs to figure out a path for israel feel secure, and the palestinians, well, they need something to look forward to. that means nations around the world in the middle east, asia, europe, and of course the united states are making commitments for the so called day after what we're seeing unfold now with the depths of so many who do not deserved their lives being snuff out. won't just matter to is really isn't palestinians, but we'll have major long term consequences for america's place in the world as well. and that's the bottom line. the 802-0000 injury. 1.4000000 people just place the

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