a thought provoking on, but the patient doesn't have time to wait for the extremely unfortunate, but there are no quick wins eventually such odd hitting interviews. do you feel like america is less than the age of these days, or is it just a different full? i think that democracy in the process facing realities do you see that the fraction is already starting the g 7 in the us on one side, china and the bricks on the other? i think there is a huge piece of that to happen to the story on talk to how does their america show and unwavering support as far as one concept critic site is highlights its double standards and could be a turning point in the world or is the us strategy short sighted look, damage to the board, inflict on americas global stand. this is inside story, the

hello, the on james bays, washington steadfast support. israel is allowed to sell to him, palestinians, and garza is shifting global perceptions. several analyst and arab leaders of will in the us risk, severe reputational damage in the region if it continues to back israel, while that's false is bomb, hospitals, schools and refugee comes initially west and pals were united in the support for israel is right to self defense. officer the how most offensive and early october bought the sheer magnitude, the destruction and killing and gaza. i've seen several countries change the stones and the by the ministration has been criticized for fighting to pressure israel. to declare a seesaw. the u. s. is no longer the world's only superpower. the emotions of several new allowances could challenge american dominance. so why does this leave the us on the international stage in this 1st national address us following

israel's war on gauze and last month, president joe biden acknowledge the significance of the will for the united states . refreshing an inflection point in history. one of those moments where the decisions we make today are going to determine the future for decades to come. american leadership is what holds the world together. american alliances, what keep us america say american values, what make us a partner the nation you want to work with? put all that a risk and we walk away from ukraine. return our backs on israel. it's just not worth it to. a recent poll shows the majority of americans that is 70 percent back, a cease fire and israel's war on gaza. this is significant, particularly ahead of the 2024 elections as the us gives israel, and then the full $1000000000.00 and military aid every year. accusations of hypocrisy or another challenge for the by the administration's critics say that us has double standards. it's focused on human rights in ukraine, but disregard them and gossip. china and russia have long cold for change in the

global. all the questions of being raised about where the country is looking to pull new alliances will team up with them to challenge west and dominance. well, let's bring it to a panel of guess to discuss this further in boston, rami cory. as far as institute distinguish, follow the american university of a root grammy's also the also of a us payments away from the middle east fact or fiction in london, somerville romani, and associate fellow at the royal united services institute. and the military. i'm j, political analyst, and in washington dc, james jeffrey, a former us ambassador to iraq into tia and champ person of the middle east program at the wilson center. thank 2 gentleman for joining us today on the inside story program. we just heard president biden there, let me just remind you what he said. we are facing an inflection point in history. one of the moments where the decisions we make today are going to determine the

future for decades to come. he was speaking 4 weeks ago on october, the 20th about to the jeffrey. i'm gonna call you james from now on. do you agree with him? i do. why? the core american role in the world since 1947, 48. and we haven't read many different roles, is to maintain a global collective security system to ensure the major global actors do not stop. nothing out of the states destroying. are you so much as language extinguish other nation states? because that puts us down the road to worldwide. why don't know why to that is the most important issue for us foreign policy. joe biden sees it and is absolutely right. okay, rodney curry, that was 2 weeks into the war. we now 6 weeks into the walt, rather

a lot has changed the death toll and gauze that has risen dramatically. it's not even being counted anymore. israel is besieged hospitals and res rate and re did the biggest one. israel is also despite the 2 thirds of gauze as population, and the un is now same as the risk of starvation and chronic disease. do you think by now finds himself on the wrong side of history? i think he probably does. i don't, i don't think by the far american leaders really understand history. that's the real problem that have so little of for themselves in terms of global engagements, other than the military engagements and traded. and so there's a real problem and how the united states deals with the world. i use the phrase of the us deals with the world as markets or targeting markets for trade of targets to attack or to sanction. and the record of the united states, the central world war 2, has not been very good in terms of using action military and not yet. and it's gash

down at rack and syria and other places. so there's some extra portions. they support a product countries all over the 3rd world. so instead of preserving the states as, as the mass or jefferson, the united states is actually helping autocratic regimes. hollow the states from the if you look at places like egypt and other places around the world that the us supports severely. and we see the consequences a bit smaller to port for really, which is expanding tension and warfare. and the us something huge amounts of numbers are hardware to, to lose. and so there's a real problem and how that us analyzes and engages with the world. samuel, that speech in the oval office was also about the war and ukraine. you've written the book pretends war on ukraine. you're a chronicler of the last 20 months and you cry and we'll get to all the details that's in a minute. but on the, the, the inflection point in history. do you agree with barton?

what is it obviously versus full scale invasion of ukraine in february 2022 wasn't inflection point in modern european history. it was, it was the reason that i saw on the sovereignty of european states since the end of the 2nd world war. and russia has also described as inflection point to the bottom level order. when you look at the statements or the lab problem or give it to me baby, i very often see that this invasion of ukraine is the start of a challenge to the us. let the whole order and the start of a new multiple order direction in china, but also empowering the brother logo. so and by may think it's searching upon the fact that now sovereignty is being breached, you know, more flavor and fashion. and that's definitely a problem for the cold, cold water, but they're obviously also get american double standards is rarely pointed out that may get his message even though i have heard of this already question. i've been hired for many across the world. james, if i can ask you about the bombardment of gauze or in the scale of the bottom,

positive gaza, among the high level jobs that you were held in the us system. you were the us special representative of syria and the presidential envoy for the global coalition to counter these. i'm excited the rock and the live and isis i. so i, and i know you took up those jobs off to the back little rock up. but if we compare what happened in rocca to what happened is in, in garza that were 1600 civilians killed in the u. s. coalition air not totally strikes. now i know those on us because if it goes from amnesty international and from ad was, but even if you take those biggest pipes, you dispute them. that means that israel is killed 10 times that number in just 6 weeks. and the, the rep, the record come pay went on for 11 months. that's correct. and there are reasons for it. i would also say a better example because it's a bigger city was most of which i also have looked at closely in 2016,

2017, where there is some, 10000 typically and casualties. first of all, israel did not have the time that we had in 2016, 17 or 2018 and beyond what the islamic state, it's mobilized, it's in part of its entire workforce. it is facing possible escalation in the, not possibly from iran. and so with the moon in a very, very rapid way, that the nature of god and i've been there, i've seen no place in the world. it is more crowded with more people. and how much that is true policy of using a sugar williams as human shields, putting their installations inside these areas as lead to these 5 casualties. what the administration is trying to do is to minimize these, particularly now that the is really sharp. she used control of most of the north of

uh, uh gotcha. but do you think these high casualties are too high? you want easy about them, james? anybody who is not an easy about casualties, particularly civilian casualties. uh, that is not you know, looking at this in a humane way, but i also look at what are the alternatives. i also know we're going to talk about casually, because i was involved. most of these was some 1000000 people kill, interact syria. yeah, man. uh, since 2003 uh, and 15000000 displaced. uh, this is an extremely dangerous major has been passed 20 years. uh and uh, it requires as soon as possible. uh much more stabilization, much more security than we have right now. but of course, the us prides itself on respecting the rules based international. oh,

that doesn't sit around me in some of those central rules. the rules of all the geneva conventions, isn't israel with his indiscriminate bombing breaking those most fundamental rules? yes, it is. clearly, it is on many respect to international groups of independent, credible groups. i've said so many people on the outside of the balcony, visuals as well, and the people in turkey and everywhere. that's all this is very common. but the problem is that these rules were made by victorious countries after world war one. it was more true and that they really are not followed very, very diligently, especially the drivers were correct to say that, you know, in the last 20 years we've had all these really messy situations in the region. but i would argue that in the last, the one of the reasons for this is for the last 200, you know, since the whole new we've had almost nonstop western military direct intervention.

busy or manipulation of stage and sovereignties, economic systems, military ties, leaderships in the, throughout the whole, middle east. so there's a real serious problem and the integrity of the advocacy of central and sovereignty and citizenship across most of the countries and other countries in the med list. and form direct military involvement. there's one of the reasons for this as well as the local reserves, particularly the continuation of a 100 years of age designers and expansion or some set on the subject while peptides expansion which has reached the peak now. and israel's. busy this is the government policy is not freelance roads. the government policy is 10 guys in the, in the west bank. so look at some point the world has to stop the issue and bought a sewage and the really good, serious if you want stability and peace, you have to do what happened in northern ireland and in the southern africa.

another few other places, what types of decisions were made to change existing patterns and policies and bring about real of security and peace because it was based on justice for all. there's no sign of that and in the region on this, certainly no sign of it. and the last 3040 years of the united states, monopolizing out of is really peace making a big catastrophe of the us. i got a letter, the search for a permanent resolution after the fighting and guys on the west bank by the way, after it stops. james, i saw you smile a little off when rodney was talking about secular cleanliness and why? um uh for the last 200 years uh, western military powers have moved into the entirety of the north and south america . all so uh, uh, uh, sub saharan africa and entirely of east asia or except a part of china. and uh,

that's a reality all around the world. not just any memories. no. where else do we see anything? i on the line. anything like the cottage we have seen in the middle east. not just the last 20 years, but think of the 1980s but the ran a rank. busy or with the soviet intervention in afghanistan and other conflicts. it is an extremely stable region whose political leadership and possibly outside intervention is not worthy of the people who are suffering it uniquely in this region. now i've had on this program in the last 6 weeks, we don't have an international lawyer here, but i've had one on many, many days. and i haven't yet found one who doesn't believe that israel is probably breaking international humanitarian law. in other words committing will crime, samuel you there in london, all the u. s. is allies getting uncomfortable about this? well, i think that we're sorry. do you notice obviously some efforts,

the distance from us policy towards israel, the unconditional support. i think early on within the european union, they were a few voices like ireland and spain, or really calling for an immediate cease fire, really challenging israel's contents in gas. uh, and i receive more countries follow that way. i think you may know macro boat against the united states and the united nations general assembly or where the peace resolution that was sponsored by jordan and then the comments about the killing of children and women is suggest so that rach, even in britain itself, i think the dismissal as well. the river mentors, obviously also late to this kind of unconditional support for praise, shall be challenged december rain. britain is also a bit more conscious certainly voting against us on the settlement issue. standing out of the resolutions. so it definitely is fractions within the western alliance law, but the friction is really haven't boiled over. there's only a small number of states like being in iowa. they're still calling for these fire within the black west. now, biden is commander in chief, is sent in the mall to the region by my account. it's 2 aircraft carriers,

at least 10 warships, a nuclear submarine, a detachment to marines on numerous fight to croft. but if he's trying to look strong, the problem is that every time he says something to israel, israel is not listening on the humanitarian pauses on bringing more right in on bringing fuel. and now finally, the going to buy a little bit of fuel on what happens at the end of this bringing the policy new authority. and would you agree rami? yeah, i think there's a real dilemma for the lighter stage steps. it is the only country that is really, really trust. therefore it has to be centrally involved in any kind of effort for piece making that might be provide. but there's a lot of it is that it's also the major backer of the of the barbarian policies that is really the many able cj them destruction policies, starvation, that israel is now implementing. and i'm the software of colonial archive system that zionism introduced into this region. starting in the late 18 eighty's

continues today you'll see it on the west bank and gaza. that's an extraordinary legacy of law. stop violence, design to oust the power steering and vigilance powers, the natural or 9 is to be 94 percent of the population a 100 years ago in palestine. and that is really a zionist, is really a mr. have a jewish state. they succeeded the creation of the jewish majority, stay, but they haven't stopped. and this is one of the reasons the people in the middle is, but also really most of the 3rd world, most of the south a don't believe or trusts the united states on it says we wanted to say solution. i wish that us really been to work for a genuinely equitable of tuesday. the resolution of the conflict that addresses the cordon age of both sides. we've offered the our world has offered that many times and a peace agreement piece office. but the us has a real problem with that,

so that's, it's can be a peacemaker. if it's the principal back or off the whole making your views on that, james a. hi, he certainly has appointed with this is really government. it is hard to imagine a government that has views more different than those of joe but, but i would say that, that's this government. there's a history to this uh, the united states did a ship for a very strong way the all the records and president bill clinton put much of his presidency on the table to try to get one clinton's view. and he is repeating it many times. is that there was a deal and 2000 yes or r o clock time. well, the speech that we spoke about at the beginning of the program 4 weeks ago in the oval office, wasn't just about the word. garza was also about the war in ukraine. and you could argue that this is presidency. lensky is worse nightmare. what we've seen right now

. listen to what he said in a recent interview. of course, ron shop understands the now when think was from the green? did you know the when before it goes to the middle east and when they try to divide the world in these crisis is ro policing prizes? and of course, of course, right. these, where are you happy with this war? so what the one, the just want to do, why the world? so presence of mind to see this, samuel, this is was not mad or isn't it. the attention is gone away. that means the, the money and the weapons probably aren't going to come in the same numbers. well, i think it's more of a political rather national military necessity construct. in fact, biden is repeatedly said that the states is the most powerful country in the world . the only super power taken on both the israel and dependent west. but in practice being so actively involved and to worse and also upgrading the usa industrial

machinery to something of a war footing is very, very difficult to do in the election. yet hardly seen the outcomes of that the do a squeeze on supplied to ukraine. congress has admitted that congress holding after you create and israel, a bell has led to the white house having to admit that there's really smaller a packages coming forward. that aid we find that we're also seeing problems with the delivery of artillery shells, especially because israel has asked for and if you're, so it'd be $7000.00 a $155.00, and then shell going their way little shelves are directly diverted front of your brain to the israel s, so there is a significant drop down to support at a time when you create the counter offensive installed. and the russians are escalating events of operations and that'd be got so, so, and he's very worried. james, i mean we come back to the allegations of double standards. now i think because biden is cold, what russia is doing a genocide. he's condemned attacks on hospitals by russia. he's condemned bombings of civilians by russia, and he's condemned the false transfer of civilians by russia. people will be asking

why is golf at different the people sure. in the vault is joe right. much as i like him, entered working for him. he gets to a future, i was a 1000 percent behind everything he has done the international community used on for you train. but i, and i know there are options well from syria and elsewhere. but i was very unhappy when we're using such language was criminal and genocide against the russians because i knew this would come back and what this, this is a direction as spelled out in the nuremberg trials against the stay of your train. just like what we had on the 7th of october, but where's the aggression against the state of israel? both purposes were to wipe out those change. that's the issue. i was nervous about genocide. then i remained nervous about genocide being used in the context of uh uh,

israel. let's look at rushes position on global events. remy co seats. no. any longer, a supervisor power, but perhaps has been bullied by the war in gaza. seems to have thrown aside it's careful diplomacy with israel for years and taking quite a strong position on this rule. of you could say the accusation accusations of hypocrisy that was well oh absolutely. i'm a most big powers professional ibex, as it comes to the dna of political leadership in the western world. and probably i'm in the south as well. this is normal, but so i don't think we should worry about what people say and if it contradicts what they do that this applies to to everybody. i think of the bigger question here . and this is what the us and by not really having to confront them, they're not confronting a, his, is the united states mandated by anybody to be the of

a maintain or of the global order. or you said of the beginning of the us or whatever. i think the gym said that the us wants to maintain that post world war 2, or it's like it's trying to do us probably want to do that, but nobody has given a to the man that the u. m. has the member to do that. and they, dr. stage is facing a bibles facing a real serious problem, which is going to hurt more than anything else, which is his democratic party is fracturing. and it's fracturing how long age orange generational ones. the young people are wildly against what is happening. and in the palestine isn't gas on the west bank with direct them. i can support the, the pressures are going to impact the democrats in the democratic. busy reason biden's electoral fortunes in the elections likely like shared have things done change so we have domestic pressures and we have international customers. i don't think they united states leadership has the ability to address these issues and

having the co here on the way it will. it will continue to bring in the navy on the, on the air force on some of the special forces and talk. i'm apocalyptic ways about it so, and are given permission to serve, to support the good people in the world. so this, this has very little credibility anymore, but the world can't do much about it when the united states uses its power as the way it does so that we did a much more sophisticated. busy model coalition of like minded additional countries on the us as a decent country, except when it comes to its form policy, which is military base and supporting autocrats. but we need a better international mechanism to achieve global harder. and that can only be based on social justice on equal rights for our partners. and this is not what everyone's honors more about, and this is not what the united states has to board is can practice on board. so of course they supported impact. okay. james, i don't want to,

i'm coming to it right at the end, but i don't want to leave china out of this discussion. it is the all the major power in the world. how do you think china sees the war on? because because traditionally it's not being it sphere of influence, but we have seen them involved in the region, particularly with regard to that repulsion well between saudi arabia and the wrong briefly, china, one stability in the region. it's not ready to play a big military or a matic role and it needs to regions, hydrocarbons. but more importantly and this gets to everything we've been hearing a little what's happened in the last few days. china has met with president by the chinese caved on an important american demand, which is military communications. but even more importantly, for the 1st time in 8 years, china several weeks ago agreed to talk about ballistic nuclear missiles with the united states. why? because what china seas is, if the united states is going to back to train,

if it's been a back, is real that will also back tie one. this is a serious, international play a we take it seriously. so when i hear about the global cells and us losing international opinion, i say howard's china treating us now they're treating us like a very serious and important partner, rob me finally to you, given the very important partner, do you think china and the other will pallas are going to let the end of this conflict the us run the show as they have done. and the policy has to, to us is talking about a 2 state solution. but it's sort of abandon the idea of a 2 state solution to went round. the palestinians in recent years. yeah, of course. and everything that us has done in terms of its policy is to israel and the palestinians in the region. and the last 20 years has allowed the 2 state solution to die away under the weight of as rarely, nonstop settlement. but they, the world, china and others are going to try to play

a more constructive role if they can. china already has done the same. you between the wrong and so the right be on other things in the region. but the reality is that nothing will happen and arbitrarily diplomacy without the us being somewhere near the center of it because they're, they're only people. he is rarely is trust them. this is, this is one of the problems that we have. so i think that has to be a more serious search for a multi lateral approach that allows us to maintain a central role. but temper has its negative attitudes and warm aging. and pros rarely is some dimensions and tempers, let us show that both of the arabs on these really can actually achieve info, right? so i'm, this is what really we have to look for everywhere in the world. and this thing only happened with an international mandate. you can't be on a learning decision by the us saying we want to do this. so i would look for more activision by global powers to see what they can do. sign q rami very much,

and thanks tool off title us for joining us today. around me, cory, some of romani, about the james jeffrey 24 hours today. i'll just or we'll continue to report on the war on garza with all reporters around the world in israel and the occupied westbank and on the ground in gaza. you'll also find more context and analysis on our website, which is there a dot com. what are we discussing next time on the program? let us know your suggestions on our facebook page. about facebook dot com forward slash ha, inside story on on x. the social network formerly known as twitter. well, at a inside story for me, james, based on the team here in doha, all see you again soon, bye for now. the as the situation in gaza escalate. we bring you expertise and analysis what the world is allowing these really wanting to do not only have the 2 children,

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