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this process has done nothing to stop the march towards annexation. and so it was a diversionary slogan to divert attention from reality on the ground. what it has now become is also a diversion or a slogan to take attention away from their refusal to call for an end to the slaughter taking place in the gaza strip. so we just heard that the european union stopped diplomat. shows that bro. talk in, in uh, quite a strongly worded terms about what needs to happen next. in god's it can't be homeless. it can't be israel has to be the palace, the authority because there's no one else that has to be a sort of for revived strength and power senior authority aiming for a 2 state solution when you are here. all of that, your think this is a just a diversion from not all this, not only that, but israel has systematically emasculated the policy and authority since it was established in 1994. and mister burroughs, institution,
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your opinion has done absolutely nothing to challenge us and not an escalation, more importantly, its primary response to israel's constant attempts to reduce the authority of the policy and authority has been to launch an interminable number of investigations of posting. and i give you a question real quick please. before we, we have to wrap up the show you the international relations sort of move in in fits and starts after crises occur. and this is a crisis. and that's why i'm circling around the same question of, could this be a turning point? could this compel these countries to maybe actually, you know, use whatever leverage they have to, to move towards the 2 state solution. there's been absolutely no indication that they're prepared to do it. okay. all right. you understand why we asked the question because well, increase the main line of her diplomacy right now. yes. read biden's opinion piece in the coast yesterday. yeah. he wants to punish
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a few settlers from getting visa to take their kids. right. here's the lab. he says nothing about american settlers. he says nothing about the tax free status of the the settlements. and the extreme is funding them and join the united states. and there's an additional issue which is the structural extremism of 6. so it is really governments that hasn't been addressed either. right. waiting rabbani co editor of generally a non resident fellow at the center of a conflict in humanitarian studies. thank you for joining us. thank you. program today, appreciate your presence here. all right, and that's it from me. several then yay. is more information as always on our website themselves. 0 dot com. up next on else is 0. the stream will have a full recap of news at the very top, the, the the land of the free america has never been
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a real democracy. the black people never experience that democracy may be excludes divisions and struggles in america's electoral system. aside for and against equal representation, and the democratic process is the country that's learning how to be a democracy, but it's not there yet. one person, one vote on al, jazeera, of access to the internet. so it's considered a basic human rights. it keeps us informed to entertain, to allows us to connect with each other and the world. and that connection is especially important to 3 times of war. and these forces, and this is the stream, the we don't have internet, people can call the ambulance, and the bombings all around us to the data
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for people to decide will be by the have you been that these are the most levels of why that. busy israel's war on gaza has taken on a multitude of shapes the bombing and the rays are only partial of the story. another less talked about weapon is connectivity, or lack there of israel controls most of the electricity, as well as the telecommunications and internet access and gaza. first, it turned off the power lines, which made hospitals and even sewage plans to stop working. later, internet blackouts were registered across the strip, which made a dire situation even worse. we managed to connect with the one resident, i'll fall off on a jar who's in the south of gaza strip. i have thank you so much for joining us here on the stream today. can i start by asking you after over a month of k us and destruction all around you? just how are you doing?
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i have just been texting some of my friends on the instagram and laptop, my friend story, not in the gaza. strippers. and telling them that i almost forgot who i am and i almost forgot how my life used to be before the aggression and the gaza strip started. i was just shutting them back. i don't want to reach to the point where i'm used to what's happening, where, where i wake up every day when with the thought that, oh, this is never going to end. i think that i've been trying my best to stay well together and, and you know, keep my strength and my energy and everything. but today's spending today after everything. but that's been happening for, for about a month now. more than a month now. and after seeing much members of my family getting killed and in the
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air strikes and after losing so many friends, um i can really say, but i'm about to lose it. honestly. you said you've been messaging friends outside of gauze. uh, how important is it to keep that connection alive right now? the connection is social. it's very important when, when, when the connection was cut off from the gaza strip was cut off twice completely of the fact that it's very weak right now. but when it was cut off completely, i remember uh that i felt like i was in an open in the i swear to god. it's almost funny. felt like someone has got a great for me and told me to just stay there. you know, i felt like my hands were tied, my mouth was shocked. and that's, there's nothing i can do anymore. and i remember that's after the internet came
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back. that i bet you everyone's firefighter is we're trying to convince people on the street. let me show, no one was able to pull them to begin with. no one was able to pull the envelope. this is the husk instead of them. there is an attack in this specific area. please come and pick up the dies and pick up the injuries. no one was able to do with us off off, would you say this is perhaps another tool of war need they are trying to break the spirit of the palestinians up more they so that's one of the bombing and all of that feeling and destruction still keep the policy and p for the space even that they are looking for the way it is produced of which was cutting off the connection pump. key of the product stands in garza then went onto
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bombing the cabins that are on top of that to be used in houses and, and so much more so that people don't even have any electricity anymore whatsoever . and then the expected targeting looked at when they start, the target can be could just be start the target. think shots they are, they are trying to do anything. they can not only need to close as much construction of submit, and that's much much the case as possible was to break up experience of the kind of thing and score skins and their homes. when things the cleansing and resisting the displacement of spins of, of the got a strip off on the drawer. thank you so so much for taking the time to speak to us here on the stream. let's now bring get 2 more voices. 2 very important voices into this conversation. i'll put tucker is the executive director of net blocks. a cyber security monitoring group is joining us today from is stumble and near not l.
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hawaii. he's a, she's a journalist and author, we initiated connecting gaza to collect and send a seems to people there she has joining us from cairo. thank you both so much for being here and we're not, we will talk about the incredible movement you started in, in, in just a moment. but i'll be if i can start with you. your organization has been monitoring these blackouts in gaza and on october 27th, you said that you observed a large single, the largest single internet disruption in golf. and since the war started up and we have a tweaks that you put out a tool to or near blackouts of the internet service, can you help us understand the graphic that you guys tweak to that day? what exactly are we seeing over here? yeah, that's right. so on the 27th, we tracked a very significant, a major disruption to connectivity across the gaza strip. and this was
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unprecedented in terms of what we'd monitor, both during this conversation. and before, if you take a look at the chart, you can see the observe who connectivity levels. so what these represent a really an outside analysis in real time of connectivity in each of those regions . and you can see that sooner connectivity the, at the beginning prior to the 7 is fairly stable and then you see over time, at the very start of this, come to see a decline in connectivity. now we know that the decline is attributed to a couple of reasons. one of them being let me saw strikes from israel and the other being the population flight as people leaves the terrace, right? so you have those 2 factors, but then on the 27th, you can see a very significant, a major disruption from us connectivity, just blacks out. and this is links with a major military operation by israel that coincides with that time. and so we know
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that these instructions have been implemented during those times for generation of some 36 hours between the 27th and the 29th of october, the side of break major impact on people's ability to communicate. and it's really limits at the wells routes to understand those of what's going on within the territory. so obviously a huge impact and i, i know you guys have also observed other blackouts since then. yeah, that's right. so this was an isolated incidents as we continue to monitor. we try to follow the instructions on 1 november on the 1st of november, just a few days later, which last at some 9 and a half hours or so. and in terms of the mechanism that was devoid, there was face similar, identical to what happened on the 27th. so we now know by the 1st of november that the same thing is happening exact. same thing is happening again a 2nd time. we can tell from the fingerprints of this telemetry that is impact to
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the exact same exchange of the same network and it's having the same effect. sometimes websites will near casual blackout for the residence of the guys district . and then again, on the 5th of november, we said it was time. same thing happens for the 3rd time, this time for 15 hours. and so you know that we have these 3 major blackouts in effect. and now i mean the, the fact that we see these lines kind of coming back up again. um, it means that obviously some source of connectivity was restored after these lockouts in my understanding this correctly. because if this was damage to the infrastructure, then that's it. the internet is gone and it's gone forever, but the fact that it comes back, does it suggest that this has some kind of, i don't know, a technical trigger is behind these lockouts. all right, so we need to take a look at the main mechanisms of disruptions to understand what's going on here. i
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mean there's really 3 main causes, what's the, the destructions, and we have the power outages. we have the kinetic impacts of the war or the fight to. then we also have these rails ability to uh, connect to disconnects the district at will. this is because the causative relies on is ready to connectivity are not showing much is it relies on his writing power out on his ready resources due to the geography of the situation. so there are many hallmarks, many indicators here that these have been technical mechanisms used to disrupt connectivity. and what we know for says, and these are the same thing, has happened in each of these 3 incidents. so in terms of a reason for this, you know, if it'd been data surface structure, it simply wouldn't have been possible to get for pad and statements from the providers. also say that they don't know, they didn't actually apply fixes that brought back the connectivity. so there are very strong indicators that this connectivity has been disrupted from the outside
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with intent. uh huh. i mean, you mentioned impacts and if i can get near now on this, we talked about obviously the emotional toll of just feeling completely cut off from the world. but that has also very practical implications. and i, i imagine you have been hearing about these implications in your work as well. and we're not of course being guides related to being the joining good uncertainty of not being able to communicate with the outside world or with your family members or legal loved ones. or even the hospitals and the ambulances is it is for me, it all pages and the, if you want to the work trying to make it in the got the, um, i've been connecting deeply since the october 28th or 29th. uh we have been, we've been connected. we have connected more than 20000. um,
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it seems um it, there are now actually because in garza and we are 5 take time to go next to more people since the yesterday. and because they are there is supposed to be a huge possibility for the communication and the instead of math to go for it i told to black out, due to lack of you in the, in got that many, many, many in network provider like what do you do and the way that's gonna be in the providers. how about love published yesterday? the option to statements on the social media thinking that they are going to be a company called off from providing the communication and the internet access due to the lack of fuel. so you, you star, so this alone but you, you now have a team. i believe you have several people with you so you can keep this the service
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operating 24 hours a day. yes, larry team all of the 11 people so far because it's hard to um, to grow your team when when it comes to protection of privacy of the donors, the teens and also uh, being in direct contact with people and go to protect their safety. so i have to be sure to 100 percent of the each and every member it might be sure and, and how, how does this idea the idea of connecting gaza this movement restarted? how does it come about? um, actually i was in um and trying to to next to the public opinion that preston's a for the nation with the egyptian best practice with startling the starting the company in a box. because we do the best we can provide internet access through his company to
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the obviously a 8 organization and got that. but we seem to print that request and leave it on in a month. we do to one of the leaders in the, the occupation army and that he would not throw evidence. he would not provide internet access without the permission of the usa in which made me still angry. and i was updating my hardware step by step, but through the request or store link and one of my buddies to use it actually been used. she said, suggested do what do you think of it's in good work. i know like, well maybe we can. so i told her to send me to you soon as trying and i guess she scrolling next to find any, uh, people from guys that uh, who are connected even with like we connection so we can try on that 1st to isn't uh, these 2 people are doing really well as the and beautiful daddy,
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and i've sent them that it seems and it we successfully and we provide them with more sense to provide to the themes and people around them. and then i go to like a quote can use a call and coordination ease of explanations on my personal account a and thousands of people around the world get sending me donations up as you are codes and you send the nations a so i have to um, to create an email, an email address, especially for a receiving that donated isms and then and then the community just just grew and grew. can it, can i ask her very briefly what, what i mean if things are a relatively new technology? can you explain just a few words? how do they work? so and an eastern is like, and the non physically, uh,
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sim card that has an extension extension of your internet package and calls back to your um number. so when uh, when a person in europe or usa or her the where is it by and is simmons. so he buys the extension to view the package that's going to be the was um for roaming. are interesting. it's fascinating. i imagine that you are going through quite a lot, as you said, uh you, you, you barely have time to sleep. you have to bring other people in. i would like to think of both of you very much for joining us today out and we are now for your time. uh not because you are so busy, we're gonna let you go and we wish you best of luck output you too, of course. and i would like to uh, now turn me to another guest, a very important guess today as well, to help us uh, put this puzzle together. door home, i will send him,
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you are joining us from dc or he's a writer and a communication specialist. and you have family inside garza right now. can you tell us about how you're getting by and how are you managing to connect with your father and your mother in gaza? very, very difficult. uh, unfortunately, you know, uh since this uh, the question i started, i guess the cost of only much to tear to most of my parents and for them to hear my voice any 3 to 4 times. which to me is on the line and someone was always in touch with this family. calling my mother my father almost in a daily basis. a sort of a situation has been very, very difficult. precisely because of the things that you know, uh because that is because i have your permission to not only is it just the question of the internet connectivity and our ability to reach our families, but also not far off by, you know, as like
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a messenger or even the text messaging over the data bands, but also that was that more of been severely impacted by this to the point where it's very, very difficult to make these kind of holes. mm hm. can you tell us a little bit about, about your, your mom and your dad? we're seeing them in some photos right now. you know, i'm my mother and by the stripper to my siblings, my mom is in her late sixty's and she's a wind woman. my father and it's at 18 years old and it's paralyzed along with them a to buy some makes a younger sister or an older brother and their goal is to bring currently in our household. we also bring 3 more families, a, you know, been possibly displaced in the city towards southern cities. we are based and then about a, which is finding the adult, the cost of the situation. but the is incredibly unbearable and inhumane. and i'm thinking fine, you know, the, the, the electricity, the lat,
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whole food with my parents and specifically, you know, it's only people who live with disabilities and on it understands. unfortunately, also the medication is white. certainly a lot of people that there will be a so new just to say, i mean, as it goes for everyone in the gospel, they mean the situation is going to be more so composite was living with disabilities, but it really is a spiteful risk for someone like me at a distance, but was also enjoyed and was there doing, for example, the 2014, which of these really doctor visits the doctor. i am john and, and got some pain they in and they out thinking about going door and even at a distance and you know, or for me that question for an activity remains very, very critical. and you're not talking about the eastern, which i think of been very, very useful. i have, you know, managed to get it seems to my sister and the concept. although i must say, i mean even installing those is why haven't partnered with exercise what physical
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without a condition to begin with installing them can be difficult. and even though it worked for some time and then what was all the time. so it really is a bit of a hit and miss so far as oh i, i believe you know how the is really controlled. the goal start is you don't mind insisting itself, it's not just a question of the condition of the aid and all of the policies that we see. oh, there is such a thing as a digital optimization. all that has to be entered and you start to acknowledge useful occupation and toner because as i mentioned earlier in the district specifically, there's no control the information structure whatsoever as open the control center as well. even has the benefits, even though it's a, it's a, it's a, it's management the only sense. so it really is up to the use. we got the vision authorities, how they're going to be,
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is available or not available in kindergarten, sir. but what was seeing with this particular situation, you know, with all of these laptops that happens, uh, is it something you'd be something starting to use any higher offices that were committed against the goal is to so it's, it's why, you know, predictable in a sense. but it's also been bounced austin, decent practices are pursued as an metro intent and policy. and then as we all know, everything that's on the ground is governed by international law and the laws of war relations or so what do i want to see? and since you can just dentist, nations and products and, and of course, according to the un internet access is a human rights. and when that was interrupted in gaza, nobody was quite sure it was actually happening. so this was one of the only way residents got information, a message that replaced the traditional call to prayer. take a look the
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door how, how powerful over to of war would you say this is going to be talking to someone who usually authorization authorities to, to be able to really match that way. people are communicating reading portfolio altogether. i've seen, you know, people on the ground have tried to find alternative ways at the end of the day. but the fact that these we got provisional stories about how to begin with is a story telling him so far that you are truly controlling whether people are going to be saved from the demo or example. and i'll share with you a very quick story. i am here based in another space on
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a website with some friends who are on the doorstep or based here in the united states. the, the, their families home are willing to their families for long uh, doing the is really a sol. so partner goes to and he wants to extend our, oh, you know, you're in the u. s. a because we all sprint off from different towns. and the goal is to originally me asking us if we could spread the word about what happened to those families. but it's at home because it was not their spend, the word of a 100 english to missions to rescue people for by the least of all. so i mean this, this to show which is also been easy to control the legal community election day. they are all very, very impactful and a very negative way regarding them on the district. social studies able to communicate about developments. you're not able to communicate about saving people's lives. you're not able to communicate about what might be safe or where it might not be safe. for people of all of these details. so i really as it is but
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difficult to the absolutely, i'm so sorry to interrupt, but we have a very limited amount of time left. less than a minute. can i ask you if you have a message? i don't know to your family to the international community. you can deliver that message through us right now. you know, i think, but since almost everyone's mind, it is imperative. every want to, uh, you know, ensure that, say you have a lot of people and there will be a studio everywhere. so, i mean, the goal is to, i know that there is a long census around a cold or sci fi, even though such a government has failed to represent the cold of their own people. in that respect we, you know, i remain vocal and afraid for my family that they remain same along with everyone else. and we're committed to be just concerned. as you mentioned, it is a matter of human rights as has been mentioned at the door by the amount of nations
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. so when we look at this particular situation, so always remember that any violation of it is because they won't be attempt them out to war crimes committed by the door. hon. thank you so so much for joining us, especially in this difficult time. and special thanks to me, you're now off and of course off off, and thank you for watching. don't forget. but if you have a comment about our show, you can talk to us on social media. if you have an idea or a topic that you like to flag for us, we welcome your suggestions. any time can use a hash tag or they handle ag stream, and we will look into it. take care and i'll see you soon. the the oven dish about the job it slipped. the chicken put the full consist. how much was for the good
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