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hello and welcome to the program. i'm 40 bad people. they all worries about a wider regional conflict in the middle east after humans who he sees the congo ship in the red sea on sunday. the rotten box cold said it was in response to his rouse war on guys would in 13000 palestinians have been killed since october, the 7th. a majority of them women and children. yvonne has denied as well as claims of involvement in the hijacking which occurred in one of the was the most important meyer time. see ways for commercial and oil trade. a group of armed men took control of a huge vessel at the point mocked by the circle on the map as it made its way from a turkish ford to india. so what are the implications of this auction? we'll be discussing this with, i guess shortly, but 1st let me go. so i'm should revise this report a what's the bone. so india from to key has become a target. humans who the rebels say they've sees that is really link cargo ship in

the red sea. the evil impact group had said it was the target is really on ships last week. raising fee is that is possible on casa, is playing out on a new maritime, from the many of the many armed forces confirmed that they will continue to carry out military operations against the is really enemy, until the aggression against the gaza strip stops. and the heinous crimes continuing until this moment, against our palestinian brothers and gaza and the occupied west bank stop. and the bahamas flagship is linked to an is fairly businessman, but it's british owned and japanese operated is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu has called it and it raining act of tetra, his offices. none of the more than 2000 crew members squarely. but that ron has denied any involvement, lot 10, let me know she, we have repeatedly announced that resistance groups and the region are representatives of their nations and they make decisions based on their own

interest. these comments are aimed at projecting and escaping from the terrible situation that the is really regime is facing. designers the resume cannot accept that it separate a strategic and serious defeat from a resistance group and gaza. and it makes efforts and different ways to cover and justify the defeats by accusing iran and others, making sure that hold how much has time the, who these and the resistance from loves, known to iraq for the support against is file. and as for on casa, had the hope, the judge, she gave many, this is a welcome step from the many forces. and i believe that the size of design is crime committed in guys that makes every lawyer list you get to defend and support the policy. and in people's like, we've all, he kind of devil my greetings to them, you know, and also to the resistance in lebanon and the resistance in iraq. and to all those who are present in every capital of the arab world. and the free islamic world who came out of these capitals to declare the rejection of this design is crime. how

awesome the who these have launch massage flights against each while driving this full full of them. heavy intercepted by as well as men to treat the long range weapons, manage to hit targets and saudi arabia. i'm the you a lots to 11 on iran back. hesper law has also cattle, rocket, masala, tax and northern east one seas. really government has promised to destroy come off of to be up till the 7th attack that killed powers and $200.00 people. but it's going to cost has getting more than $13000.00 stain. and so fox heightening reason of attentions and his raising fee is also possible. why do regional conflict? mickelson should leave for inside story the spring in august. now for today's inside story in rest, in virginia treats a policy executive vice president of the quincy institute for responsible statecraft, a washington dc based think tank in doha mirand. come bravo,

professor of government at georgetown university in kata, and also of the book impossibility of palestine history, geography, and the road ahead and in london. far um, mostly me, research fellow on him and at the gulf at chatham house. he joins us from london. thank you all for being with us on inside story me, ron in the hi fi can start with you with the whole fees. i believe, as we've heard, have launch ms side and drone attacks against israel since october. the 7th. how much of an escalation does the c caesar of this congo ship in the southern red sea represent was represents a significant development in that um, the so called resistance front made up of the wrong. it's for axis who sees moss and hezbollah would like to engage in a relatively low intensity conflict with is in which there's a standing war arrive,

christian, and the cost of the complex for is a bar increasingly right. so that of so it's, it's a significant development of course, we have to wait and see what the next set of circumstances and the next developments are how things will unfold over the next couple of days. but certainly it does not bode well for region. why tensions, how do you think these strategies might respond to me on, as well, these really sort of pointed the finger at the wrong. what is a would like to do is to drawing the united states to engage the wrong directly. this of course, uh why and they got the conflict of pointing the finger at the wrong, only divert attention from the tragedy that's on the folding gossip. so these really is right now, of course, that they can't do much because they have their hands full. but what they look like

is to drop the lights, it stays so that the united states, but uh, engagement the, the wrong directly. all right, i'll, i'll, i'll try to about that in just a moment to chat about the impacts this could have on, on us policy. these are the, the guys of war, but let me come to a fire. i'm mostly in the 1st and find out more about what the whole phase objective is here by targeting this condo ship. we've again seen them launch me saw attacks and don't attacks against israel, but what are they trying to achieve by targeting ships in this particular route? which is an important trading vote, of course. uh, what are they trying to show? i definitely hope the tax on that i'd see should, should, should not be surprising. i think unfortunately, as long as i walked in curious frequency models, who's that, that's not just on ships that are related to uh, intact and ships to the later to wisdom companies on to with some companies. even though so far that hasn't happened yet. and i think there are

a few reasons for this lovely young asked, or the ask for the hurt is to go and i thought is i does not really matter anymore because as you agreed, yes, this correctly mentioned that it see is the new for on the lines for the axis of access to the distance in the area, but also because it's a huge deal and it isn't only america is actually on the fundamental go to the hook these on the box of the logos. but also as part of the i did as you since day one. so how does the weather in got involved on this or not? i think that is not a necessity question anymore. they would continue to attack for that like this. and that have gone further. it's not going to be out of the doctors except. ready but if it happens as a box, but if i lost the car from different countries in the region, then it will definitely be a huge a challenge to the is vitally security don't. yeah, you say uh it doesn't matter whether or not yvonne is involved in this for and the

radians have indeed tonight involvement. but the whole phase here, all they just are they doing this just because of the war on guys as they say, or are they other factors also, what play here are they are the objectives that they're trying to achieve. and so, i mean, obviously, as i said, we should not be surprised that the talking because the i'm the is the, is the, the something to them, is it good and that has been having the work and yes, but that was, i had to be mostly with the sar. ready or with the rest of the image. so it's not going to does not, it doesn't have to be. and the christmas of the, of the vision on the hook the world view in the gods. however, i think they are also trying to not just protect is the most dying or does that, but they definitely and have is where they clearly agree with. you know, they have a clear to buy their interest in it. all the things are possible solved is about a normalization, even though it's on the, on the, the, couldn't that,

that's my only next this proceed that by solve is that is that i need more accurate . but in fact, that is one of the other games of the haven't, these is to actually get up to any possible. and my decision between the solve is, which is also our goal. and they show definitely what that means. and we'll discuss this a little later. some more of the truth, so let me come to you and ask you about your thoughts about the significance of this incident, the seizure of this congo ship. how does it create a new dimension in this israel guys or as well? it certainly creates a new dimension as the other guests have pointed out, because we're seeing that slowly but surely the war and caused the country to what the united states says that he wants. and what it's trying to prevent is spreading now, spreading in incremental steps. none of these steps so far have risen to the threshold of actually dramatically changing the war towards the direct involvement of the

united states or direct is really targeting of some of these other players. but we have to ask ourselves this. did have hotels know whether there were, is really on that ship or not. i think there's unlikelihood that they didn't know that they may have targeted that ships hoping that there would be as ratings on the ship. and if that had been the case, they would not be holding several is really hostages. under those circumstances with this and that to this is where this situation is so tremendously dangerous. because many of these different steps that have been taken so far have not risen to the structural sparking and regional world, but they've been very easily quarter. and this is where i think the us, the strategy of trying to prevent that escalation has been a failure. because conceptually it's only been focused on crush range. yvonne and some of its allies, well pretty no pressure on israel to de escalate the situation in the long run that is not going to work out on the us is

a policy traits at some leaders in these really government and establishment reportedly want to expand the confrontation on the military front to hezbollah in lebanon. and we've seen several, several of attacks along that job board, or the northern is really bored in the southern lebanese border in recent days, in addition to this attack by the whole fees. and mary had mentioned that this, that this, it could be, you know, by pointing the finger at israel, this could be israel trying to drive the americans into this conflict. and you talked about a threshold. when do we get to a point of a direct military engagement by the american in a broader regional war is on the most obvious threshold is, is one of these different attacks, particularly now there's been about 62 attacks against american bases in the region . if they uh, end up trimming, american soldiers, if

a dozen or so american soldiers are 2 of them such an attack, the pressure on binding to retaliate military is going to be very, very significant. and i personally don't find them like you that he will be able to withstand the pressure the question then as when he target these uh, militias in the box or in syria, or when he targeted. if the targets evolved at that point, i think we will have the regional more diverse and regional board of the united states is that he doesn't want that i think is absolutely correct and would be completely detrimental to us interests. but at this point, elements inside the us government itself, our feelings dot is the direction that is what wants to drag to us. that was not the assessment of the americans about 5 weeks. okay, so that's the direction you say the uh is where i want to drag. uh the us uh mirand . let me ask you about yvonne now in what direction they would like to see this call fix. go to because we've seen t, ron in the past few weeks,

somewhat try to distance itself from the various groups in the region that are against is a, is around that, a, a targeting israel, whether it's has belie 11 on the whole phase in yemen. tijuana said that these groups are allies, but, but it doesn't control them that it's not involved in this day and their decision making. what new factors do you think this development, the hijacking of the ship? what, what do they bring into the thinking of the reading and leadership right now? well, the wrong is playing a very complicated evey um, carefully from the game trying to modulate its responses to developments as they are occur on the ground. on the one hand, as you mentioned, they are encouraging the so called resistance fraud. to continue putting pressure on is a, an active stage. while on the other hand, they are also trying to ensure that the conflict doesn't necessarily blow

inadvertently engulfed the. so why did the calculations i believe that he is currently at work, is he wrong, is how to maintain pressure on via versions on is a, through these small attacks that are relatively small attacks that are treat tom mentioned while at the same time, making sure that they don't get low, low, low out of proportion to the extent that then the americans or these are, these would have to get directly involved. and so i think a lot of times are very careful to make sure that they do not over play their hands while at the same time they maintain pressure through hezbollah. susan, who sees through that process in iraq, maintained the pressure on the americans. that's a very difficult balancing act of always in a turn really difficult and very dangerous,

inherently dangerous. i think the game here is to ensure that these have uh, is practiced into sort of a ceasefire advocating the civilians in. gotcha. okay. far right. your thoughts on there on says relatively small, the tax for now from the whole fees, but is a jose involvement likely to be step top in, in re, in, in the next few weeks. i am the only gets more involved in this one. first of all, no one should under estimate the closeness of somebody if it wasn't for them. um, we would have been in the world today and you don't have to start with number 2. they're drawing on the site and type of abilities with the support of 8. i had dramatically increased since 2015. and i was told somebody in a highly won against under estimating that capabilities that have to attend international, the visionary under listing of the houses as

a flip flop guys from the mountains. but for the last 9 is the type of abilities that, that asks and the ability to how quickly a father anywhere has only increased over these. yes, but i think model of these to started. so what happened? as i said, the, regardless whether it was cc'd or be cc'd or not, or various reasons. but among them is because right now, because even if for the engines between saas, it'd be, i'm a products it in many ways i'm providing some sorts of a shelter of a shame for it to be able to strike the west. or is i as much as possible? one of our biggest guess say to having the ability and then not being the price of the moment that so far you say more of the strikes could happen. let me just pick up on what you said that you said more of the strikes could happen. could maritime transport be disrupted by the whole seas in

a way that could have significant impact? i think so, and i think that's the next. the game is what it has about the end up basically head areas in the sea, and actually this will have a tremendous impact on the price is on the long term, but also on the insurance of the prices. i think it is, has been already expensive. it has already increased the over the years, but we're speaking of the incentives of dollars in the global economy. it's about the audit that see it some more to mind that part of it is and i insist we still not the tough to, to be seen. what the heart is, the do a, in the see specifically that is this the an estimate to calibrate it is they have but. ready the answer that just the industry is how often and how far and how big list they're willing to go to the fire. it says we've not seen what the whole fees are capable off. what do you think is going on right now in israel, in terms of a policy? where,

where do you read is really policy when it comes to the question of whitening the conflict in drawing and more powers like israel? how would they respond to moiz? really more who's the attacks in, in the threats the area as well. i think 1st of all we have to recognize that israel is politically internally pretty much in a state all chaos. there is significant attentions within these really government itself. do you have a clear view amongst the he's really public that the nothing you know is not trustworthy. only 4 percent trust what he says on the matter of the war. and you also have a clear understanding that as soon as this crisis is over, that's on the honors political carrier is also over, which may have created an incentive for him to drank out this construct father then allowing it to come. on top of that, you have the matter of the families of the hostages for putting increasing pressure on these really cover meant to win the release of the hostages,

rather than just carpet bombing goes up. and you have the question as to whether, if there is a small prisoner exchange, and as a result, the family sees that an exchange is possible that actually will change the dynamics in front of me is all in favor of prioritizing the prison direction which clearly so far has not been the priority, right, that prioritize the war. hi, tricia you say is route netanyahu, i should say, would want to drag out this conflict. but is these relevant position today to fight on, on to 3 funds, whether it's south north, the whole fees without us backing what? how? because precarious is, is rouse us a military position to not be wise, but as far as military positions as it will be streaming, difficult for the spanish to fight a several front or. but that is precisely why instruction scenario is what would probably asked in

a matter that would drag to united states into the war. and again, this is what the american side is starting to see is was not the assessment of the us at the beginning of the contract that they not assessed and these really want it to wife and the board. at this point, there are doors inside these us complement our feelings and that is the direction we're heading. and again, the only thing that can really put an end to all of these different extremely dangerous dynamics is a ceasefire. but so far, why didn't has completely block, do you think the bottom administration can restrain these release right now? it certainly can, if it wants to united states have been able to do so numerous occasions when he has wanted to do so. the question is whether buying and wants to do it on whether he's ready to pay whatever political price he thinks that entails. but the political price of not restraining these really is also pissed up starting to become clear. because biden is a lot of things in the polls. only 12 months to the elections and a very critical factor as to why he is somebody is the war in garza and the matter

that he has missed for these reasons locked it as yeah, 12 months into the election and there are lots of questions whether there's any intent incentive at all for biden, to put more american boots on the ground in this region. me around, let me come to you and ask about the saudis, where does this leave saudi arabia, yvonne supreme leader, we so judge most name states to cut political ties with israel. what impact do attacks such as this one by the host? these have on the so called saudi is ready to what is ation, which was happening bes, reportedly before october, the 7th. and where does it leave the saudi young men cease fire and, and the goals and the war that this is far between the saw the idea and the who is this has always been very precarious. um, uh, not uh, staple at all. and i think this only adds to the pre charity of this as far as

um, as far mentioned uh, uh, from london. uh, yeah, we should not under estimate of lucy's capabilities. so 1st and foremost, what we see is uh once again, a demonstration of who to check abilities this thought actually hijacking a ship a. this lesson is not the last on 3 of the fact that the lucy remain unpredictable and continue to remain quiet lisa, but it also puts additional pressure on saudi arabia as you know, the lord god. so we make a stream lead on popular uh, in uh, in the ad street in the for real ad street. and the public opinion across the, our board, including inside of your area, is squarely where the listing is a call of a government involve pieces notwithstanding. and so this tremendous pressure on

the side of the government to de la normalization, even further veritas, uh, this is a, i think all of us will observe of the middle east politics and things of normalization between saudi arabia and these a is a foregone conclusion. this ongoing tragedy and genocide only further delays of what seems to be made, delays it, but it's it, but it's then not necessarily off the table. ah, yes, absolutely. i don't think it's off the table. it might be late by as much as a year or 2, but it's not off the table by any stretch of imagination. alright, far, let me come to you. things can, can move quickly out of control. where do you see the situation heading? are we looking at a wide or regional conflict? so if it goes to the inbox and the name on what specifically business,

but it also has already meant unfortunately the, even the possible logic agreement that the ceasefire that was supposed to be announced recently between the counties under surveillance. and the saga sponsorship has been put into the list because obviously as you mentioned because of the optics of what's happening again goes under the pressure of stuff. different governments are going to in the region is which seems likely what would happen a starts continuous. i think 1st of all, despite this, all these desire to utilize these 2 baths from each other that was ultimately shed because it wouldn't be a one point, not just the addition of the wisdom response to what the punch is do. and number 2, despite it on, it's a desire to get people out of this. i think that somebody to spill over and that also will be another. in fact, i do much thing and i agree with. you have to guess that is about it will go into a new drunk line or

a benefit on the line in human. but what it's kind of exactly do is go after and what is most likely will do is actually go after the home. see this specific a statics on our patients, whether inside the oven or outside them and it's not to get the is what it actually has intervene in them on civil war in 1961 is a uh, didn't pedestal actually against the republicans who went by the time supported by egypt, smyser. so this will not also be the 1st time that is what i have is to have money in the table. but if, even if not in the larger a schedule, i'll send you the flyer. alright, treat to policy in virginia. i'll give you the last word a, could this war lead to why to regional instability? is it going to be able to be contained by rational thinking? if to well, i think from the opposite, most of the players in this scenario, they don't want to have an escalation. so it was never about whether countries or

actors here wanted this for at this moment. however, the combination of miscalculation and the american strategy, or only putting pressure on one side of it on both sides, is likely going to make an escalation, something that we will see in the next few weeks. i mean, we just heard that has one that has now managed to strike a major based in israel and almost completely destroying it. that's going to cause a retaliation from these res. so this, the effort of trying to prevent that escalation would have been far more successful by the restriction from the opposite. did not stand in the way of international calls coming from the you are coming from the, your security council, the secretary general, etc, etc. shore. this is why it's not too late to achieve that, but it requires and complete the sink in the white house. it's not too late to achieve a ceasefire. gentleman, thank you very much for a great discussion. very interesting to hear your thoughts about all this trip. parssi mirand come bravo,

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