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hello and welcome to the program. i'm for the bad people. i'm us has always made the freedom of palestinian prison is one of the conditions for the release of is really and for and captives. and it's one of the times of this cease fire, thousands of policy news, how the news, really jails and that number is increasing daily since the war on guys began. there's been a sharp rise in a re send. the tension size is really forces step up raising the occupied westbank is arouse use of administrative detention means. it can imprison palestinians without charging them or putting them on trial. but human rights gould say that practice is against international law. and estimate is 7800 policy news detained and is really presence. that's according to the policy. and you know, for a commission for prisoners affairs, more than 2000 are in administrative detention, which means they can be held indefinitely without charge or trial. seems october, the 7 to 6 follow students have died in these ranges and more than 3100 have been

detained in the occupied west back. some have been arrested for writing or liking posts on social media that express sympathy for palestinians in gaza. about 80 of the prisoners on women, roughly $200.00 children old miners are also locked up. israel is the only country that re tries children in military courts. now, more frequent is rarely rates mean will policy and find these are separated. he is a testimony of one child whose father was recently detained in gossip and who else . but as i was with my father, we were going through a check point is really forces called for my uncles and the rest of them. my father was looking at me and was supposed to go with us, but he was detained as well. i used to hug him and kissed them. they took my father from my hands. we only had clothes, we told them we don't have weapons. now we don't know what to eat or what to wear for now as ease really jail say lot palestinians are increasingly concerned about

the conditions under which their loved ones are being held by the mask. you hit the button, of course with scad. when we hear a boss is really forces treating children so briefly, my daughter was arrested back when she was 12 years old to me. she's still 12. i think she still feels the same level as fair as when she was detained as a child and is horrified. she still has night mess all the. well, it's now bringing all guess why? all joining us from ramallah in the occupied westbank mustafah bond go t is the secretary general of the palestinian national initiative for door. hassan is a research on israel and palestine at misty international. she also writes and blogs on politics, feminism and disability. and i blake tie, she's the accountability program director at defense for children international palestine. he focuses on child attention issues, including ill treatment and torture. a warm welcome to you all. thank you for

joining us on inside story mr. bond. go to if i can start with you, this equivalence being made in the minds of people who are not familiar with the situation between the hamas captives and is re palestinian women and children were being held in these really jails. can you explain to us for us why the release of prisoners is a key palestinian demand in negotiations? because uh for so many it is uh, ballasting is out of kept in. is that a new jersey? without would you try out the process without fair to try and process the out of the, the without the and as you mentioned, the under administrative, the detention to quickly which can go as long as for 20 years without style and without even charges. and the so many police simians have been jailed for very long times. and even when they were released in previous exchange of prison notice cases,

they will only add us to the again, like the case of not anybody who who the, who we just finished for 23 years. and is there any jails um just started the 4th, the 4th year. uh, there is no way of for these people and some of them out of sentence to the 5000 d as in j and many of a sentence to life imprisonment 7 times. so there is no chance for any of them to be freed from is there any presence on all over the political prison that's basically without an exchange exchange of prisoners miss watson. this is what this is what has happened before with the case of glad street. yes. one is early so and yet have to be exchanged lives or most one. so i was a better student but doesn't know. so that's why my listing is believing that the only way to reduce the present is, is to, to have some. is there any present areas as well, but yeah, so on the other hand, that is one very important thing that i want to mention to you. since 1967 is that

it has conducted more than 1000000 cases of iris against by the student population . you're talking about 1000000 that is in the case of a population, that is no more than 5500000 people. and that is quite a significant number, a huge number 1000000 the rest since 1967. you said mister by godaddy. you mentioned the case of these really present a deal actually to was exchange for almost a 1000 palestinian prisoners. but as you say yourself mr. bunker is even as more modest to me and prisoners are released every day. we see dozens more arrested as indicate as is the case in the occupied westbank. we've seen more than 90 of us in the last 24 hours in the occupied west bank in guys at the director of i'll she for hospital and a number of medical personnel arrested there. so my question is obviously it's a relief for the families of these prisoners were being released. but if more

palestinians are being arrested, is what it, what is the point of such date as of such exchanges? and yet this deal, the very 1st deal would show should the be initiated, where this one is on the beginning. the goal is to achieve the why don't you have to put or this is fired, which hopefully will lead to our pregnancies fire. but we all know that there's, there is playing their game at the, the, and some of those who wouldn't be released without us the done the 3 weeks ago. so i know they played this game, but eventually is it already knows that. and there are hundreds of, is there any presence? i mean not least, may be 200 or 150 or sort of judges. and is there any army officers higher than kink offices who would not to be released without food and complete the release of all ballasting prisoners? and is there any chance they know that better one? so even if they play this game of, i just think i'm the oddest thing now. they know that the ultimate deed will not

happen unless or isn't that is out of the least. and that's exactly what a listing is. and guys are saying that the door has signed. let me ask you why. now, because you've been researching this extensively. and as a miss, i almost got a bug. cody said that there's been an upsurge, arise in the number of arrest, arise in, in the use of administrative detention, even before october, the 7th and the occupied westbank. why have we seen this up search in the rest of palestinians to so in general is a use is arbitrary detention including administrative detention and other forms of arbitrary the prevention of liberty as a means to maintain and enforce its system of a party against palestinians. and as a means of fragment things of products and communities. since the 7th of october, as you said before, that this year had already been seeing vicar numbers it 20 years high in the use of

administrative detention, of kind of send in prison is but the a number. but it has skyrocketed since the 7th of october, both the number of people had under administrative detention. and this is, this happens frequently whenever there is a military operations uprisings andras, is there any uses a, just an arbitrary s, as a way to control defragment to break down the products and community and utilize one of the ways in which administer to the testing is used to don't to do that because of the in addition to the nature of administrative detention, that can be extended every see 4 or 6 months indefinitely. and is there any options i can put or of sorry to interrupt you? is there any aspect of administrative detention that is legal under international law, the international law does not completely prohibit as mr. through detention,

but it restricts set to being used as a last resort and as an exception in a condition, not as a good, but how what is a, is there a use? is it so frequently that it's come up to be treated as an exceptionally resort? it is part and parcel of is or is punitive system against palestinians and this use of the system is completely discriminatory. so for those who are headed under administered to detention diagnose, probably there are only 3. is there any sisters? so 99.7 percent of all those who the under administer to detention are palestinians and the way it's being done on so that aren't able to record scan, approve detention to that mr. through detention, right kind of thing and come not to object to the administrative defense or, or cannot, cannot challenge, administer to defense improperly. oh, this means that the way is a use is administer to detention is incomplete violation of international. okay. i

had a boy ties, let me bring you into the conversation. the majority of palestinians being held, and he's really jails right now on male teenagers. what are these children? because they are children? what are they being held for? what are they accused of? yeah, do you me just a little bit of send them to the accused of storm to put on the spot the according to the is that i the military leak assist them the punishment for throwing the stones. it's up to 20 years and for this event. so this is a betty hot shot sometimes and, but it's the matches, but i'm not in custody until then, but as i'm inside, is there any, in addition to an offer present and ends with bank? i'm blessing for us to mention them in a prison outside the occupied so that it is, it's all crime unplugged and that's not a human. it's debbie and all. most importantly in that that is also practical aspects. so less than 15 inches round and prism inside is r n a among these

aspects of that. so that is the, it's difficult for the of, from it is to visit them. so during the 1st 3 months of there it is. the from it is of the, the but a scene. and if it is not as the can be a good company presents because they have to secure a special on their merits that enable them to visit their children inside of them. nations on the inside these presidents, what conditions are they subjected to what treatment are they subjected to? is a student that a student has been blood understood and so to get it done with it in front of this, i even looked at really good systems, exports to have different types of treatment then to touch some of these types depends on the physical me, thoughts or elizabeth meant that thoughts are like uh, the slapping uh function. uh is this the, the enforcing them to say uh on this one position. and most importantly if this

like, what does it come me thoughts? elizabeth went then daughter, most importantly blessing them minnesota when 5 minutes in a settled bath, new to one by 2 without having any interaction with any human being and a blessing to them and such situation less the severe psych, what does it go? right? implication and one of them i understand um i it that uh the uh many of these children actually end up confessing to, to the crimes. they are being accused of like throwing stones and taking a p d o, because the maximum sentence they could get for, for the crime is actually lower than the maximum sentence they could spend in, in a pre trying detention a, this is almost a guess. what was the way to them because during the day and so guess young the company was at a minimum, but there is no, i think it's a lot of what i think for the instead of guessing. so it's almost impossible for

the defense lawyer to boost at these conditions has been expected by force. so even of the defense lawyer tries to this show before them in the 3rd quarter judge, we were told that a sponsor of the guns that this does not that the glass and or the some of the evidence, if you will wish to examine the evidence, use of course, for another quarter, which is the responsibility for examining the evidence and almost gets in. what's it been to prove that this is the task function says expected by force. okay, mr. bob, would you let me bring you back into the conversation and raise something that door mention and that is a treatment of these relays and similar conditions. of course, these are upper trays itself as a democracy. but what we see here is a 2 tier justice system and we've seen increased violence against palestinians in the occupied westbank by is really settlers. and we've seen this in the wire, for example, before even october. the 7th. is there any accountability in these cases is really

so the satellite is being held to account, you know, of course not even when they're coming to the worst kinds of crimes. and then i had a video, they have the occasions when they were to quote the battle named police to me until that in, for instance, where they would be put the engine. but the engine at an on the us, it gives the committed by. so let us go without an accountability and what we have here is a system of i thought that what is up tied up tight is 2 systems of moses for 2 people living in the same area. and that's exactly what we have is there is judge the by civilian isn't a little under stadiums are judged by, is there any military law? so we are subject to, to a complete different police on the system. and the military in the military laws. so difficult to, to defeat because even in the cases when the student but doesn't have to have noise, they don't, they don't have access to a lot of good to, to, to the,

to the tools they don't have access to. knowing why the people, the defending god charged and frequently they find themselves having glow out of lice to just exit deals because it would be less sentence. but there isn't really a due process here. more than that. i want to to do some things that to my truck, the audience, which is that is that are not on the in presence, but this to me as a lot. i live that also in present named did people monitors 398. but his team young's who have already died in, is there any james or to and, and uh, because they were shocked by, is there any, are me out attempt m j. those who died in the prisons because of sickness or because of torture, have to stay in prison. and if it is you that has to complete that sentence. yeah. what, how does the window window, or how does israel justify keeping the bodies of,

of policy and prisoners of people who died under, under they watch, you know, justification 142 of the listing and sort of categories simply most of the young people a lot of them are to put an article under financially refusing to release them as affordable psychological torture against that file is the form of collective punishment against the families. and the 256 out of kept in what they call the number of cemeteries where there is a number for each one and just the, some of them have been there for more than 40 years. right. so it's an awful kind of practice that of course none of that would have been done. is there any jewish breads, a shopping practice that you describe the mr bank or table door of can you add a bit more to that? the fact that there is no justification from these really support for keeping the bodies of prisoners who died and these really of policy and prisoners who died in

is there any chance you know, the official is ready to justification for this is to use these big bodies as bargaining chips and, and i know one has to also mentioned that just administrative detection is one of the legacies of richmond that's her year. also, the withholding of buddies is one of the shameful legacies of british mandatory either because it serves as a british imagined cedar correlation in order to impose this post mortem punishment on past to me. and so this is the official justification bargain chips. however, they use the rebuilding of buddies precedes him as it's predicts how much is there it has been withholding progress to me this afternoon. but these since weather since the mid 19 sixties. and even before that, what it before, it has has been established. lots of rid of the policy that is there any forces are applying and uh i it, uh would you like to add uh, to that uh,

that this shocking practice of holding onto to a palestinian bodies in, in is really prisons. i mean, this is almost a form of torture for the families of this prison. it isn't, it is what i'm doing. so i have to add that that i'm no problem 20 bit a student to them. good about this work. let's get that and the get them is what i needed to do some of the getting from the site you to turn it this um disappeared. this was done to your collective punishment against the family. yes. so there is no just the very open uh, reason for keeping the uh, this is the people um, as a part of punishment against the company is since somebody is trying to have that i so about a dad, dad, dad, at best once in. uh then thinking the fights and not bought the visit i but it says and still uh uh, collectively spanish,

spanish speaking and people who are living on the air condition. i. it seems that every palestinian has either spend time in jail or know someone who has spent time in jail. there is a sense of almost a generational trauma. isn't that how is that affecting the palestinian psyche and palestinian people whether in the west bank or guys? i think they saw a business, it's a better sense, a good for the better student, good community. and that's why the receiving getting that. but that it was it the one of the, the, the deal that is this spencer group and guns managed to from fluids. but the is not, you know, a sort of this, because almost if you had a student on the experience of the s, the one minimum, but the, is the norm, what does it mean to be the price of your live? right? so what does it mean to be in custody of industry to present?

what does it mean to be exposed toilets different than thoughts out? so this could be one of the reasons that the, for the student for me give it to you to see the agreements between design alternatives and to match the secure, the, or where to secure a better use of 150. but a student to them and a female business. okay, mr. bond, go to less. now why than this? if we can, israel says this objective right now in this war is to dismantle, come us in the gaza strip. but when you see what's happening in the west bank, these mass rest incarceration of children of women. what would you say? the objective is ultimately as well the objective of what is what it is doing is to break any form of resistance. it's not just how much any affordable for existence. you know if, if you start going and they're using military forms, they're called you are a terrorist. if you're struggling with the non violent forms,

they can either call you are violent. if you, if you just speak against occupation just to lives would, would, would, talking about the injustice. you would be accused of pro vocation if you add on and, and for the support thing. but this thing is they will call you on this in mind. and even if you are a jewish person, supporting police didn't struggle. they wouldn't call you a set of faith things. really. it's a very racist system, very dangerous. one. uh that is threatening to blow, but this to me on that i for the freedom and the attacks that thought happen even though and does the autumn up against time as on the guest old police to me and people is what it is conducting city water. could items at the same time, it's nick lensing collective punishment and genocide and data going was clearly from the beginning to evict and 4th avenue, but the out of gaza. since they couldn't that you have that data thing now to just click click lens den north and the center of guys. that's why they've destroyed hospitals. and that's why we did that. they've destroyed everything. but let me

tell you that uh, what, what data doing is, as, as was mentioned by my colleagues where before that it was from us. i mean, 40 it is how much will it 40 years ago, we didn't have time us, right. 75 years ago. it isn't that what they are doing is an act against that. i post the police to me and people to be city. the thing is that 40 percent of all of them me in the list opinions have been to. is there any chance that the only thing is i want to tell you this. this story is very touching. i met a woman engineer kemp, a mother hips child who was 15 years old, was shot to death by the is the me for nothing. and now the keeping him as if it is you that is do depriving here to set. i'm see ended up by the time she told me all i want is the day of the visit. a good i have to could i ended up depriving head of this little thing right, because they want to talk to each other every by the student. the question here is

not about time asked the question, and that is about, is it a, it is effort to, to, to, to, but event specialist against, from having a lot of my life to prevent the students from having see them and even to try to explain it to the kids or by the students. what door, let me come to you now and ask you about the fact that in the past few days has been discussions in israel for using even the death penalty in the future. for those who are deemed to be terrorist and in their words, what are the prospects of these really government passing those laws and how concerned does that make you when, when you see the situation on the ground today. as i said, i'm this international, we oppose. we completely oppose the use of the spinner to you by any state. uh, but it's extremely, it's even more water yang to see that. but it's fairly good. this is not the end you processed by the way that legislation or after dissolution about using the

disparity and using words like terrorists. and we know what is that, is that just renters are mean and guess palestinians has been in the discussions from the start of the year, especially under the new government. but it's even more worthy to see that the israeli government is now using the word and does that in order to justify the introduction of the disconnect, it is extremely concerning and it's clearly owned. it's yet another layer of discrimination. and we've been also talking by the way about detainees and detention for freedom of expression and arbitrary extension. it's important to also add that's palestinian citizen. so is it a and has been on the have been facing sort of sort of this arbitrary detention since the 7th of october. hundreds of palestinians have been detained for different amounts of time just for posting on facebook about us in the and since then. so is

there and many of them say that's what they are living right now is similar to the military rules under which their jazz parents live between 19481966. and even this explained this industry, it's long saying it's in the streets. how is the system of a party is not on the imposed against products in the ends and that was back in the gaza strip, but also against palestinians. it's into, it's are. and now with the talk about the introduction of the disparity, this would be just another a tool that is, it would add, so it's extremely consenting. okay, mr. bob, go to you. i'll give you the last words we've been talking about how math detention and math the rest are being used as a weapon of war and occupation today. what tools should the international community be using to prevent this from happening? and then the community is not doing what it should go, which is to hold those that are there accountable to their private. is it a and i from the impunity. it has to stop dealing with israel as if it is above

the international owner. we ask that international community is to apply international, the same laws. they speak about when it comes to other countries. if they had to so they would have to impose sanctions on reserves. they have to impose sanctions and boycott on this system. that is, why would they think every international eh, through and not the system of apartheid, but also through a system of persecution under the impression of people in the most violent possible way. you asked about this sentence me actually even without passing this sentence, they had already practicing that the kid by the student has left on that i old on the young without the comfortability. i mean, you could be could at any moment just because i saw a job decides to do so. i'm especially since the 7th of october is early sonya

is that a settler, unable to is early policeman thinks that they have the green light to shoot. i'm getting published in young or at least taught us them. this is the kind of life we subject it to. so we do mind that the old community, the applied to certain rules that they are using the new could i and for instance, right? why in the case of you could i and so much of the for a country because they say it's fighting go q patient and then our case, the supporting go. good bye. uh, thank you very much. thank you for a very interesting conversation. was off a bug ot i'd, i'd wake tie shin, but door hoss on thank you for joining us and thank you to for watching. you can always watch this program again any time by visiting our website at all, which is 0 dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash 8 inside story. of course you can join the conversation on exile handle . is that a j inside story from me for the back to buttonhole team here in doha, thanks for watching bye for now.

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a hot me every single day. the . ready the hello on the phone, cuz this is the news i live some of the coming up in the next 60 minutes. the beginning of the pause will be 7 am. friday, the 24th of november a ceasefire, and garza guitar immediate has confirmed that the deal reach between israel and her boss will begin on friday morning. 13 is already come saves and gauze it will start to be released on friday afternoon.