to set some, i'll just areas and those are last available in your favorites apps to just set for it and tapped on a new app from out to 0. news that you think is it the, the guy is a sci fi dealing two's the release of at least a 100 palestinians detained and he's really jails. but every day israel arrest thousands more. why as so many palestinians imprisoned in israel, is mass detention be used as a weapon of war and occupation? this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm fairly bad people. i'm os has always made the freedom of palestinian prison is one of the conditions for the release of is really

and for and kept is. and it's one of the times of this cease fire. thousands of posting is held in these really jails, and that number is increasing daily since the war on guys have begun. there's been a sharp rise in a rest send. the tension size is really forces step up raised in the occupied. westbank is arouse use of administrative detention means. it can imprison palestinians without charging them or putting them on trial. but human rights schools say that practice is against international law. an estimate is 7800 palestinians are detained in his really presence. that's according to the policy and you know, for a commission for prisoners affairs, more than 2000 are in administrative detention, which means they can be held indefinitely without charge or trial. since october, the 7th, the 6 palestinians have died in these really jails. and more than 3100 have been detained in the occupied west back. some have been arrested for writing or liking post on social media for the express sympathy for palestinians in gaza. about 80 of

the prisoners are women. roughly 200 children old miners are also locked up. israel is the only country that really tries children in military courts. now more frequent is really rates mean more policy and families are separated. he has a testimony of one child whose father was recently detained in gaza and who else. but as i was with my father, we were going through a check point is really forces called for my uncles interest of them. my father was looking at me and was supposed to go with us, but he was detained as well. i used to hug him and kissed them. they took my father from my hands. we only had closed. we told them we don't have weapons. now we don't know what to eat or what to wear. now as ease really jail slop palestinians are increasingly concerned about the conditions under which their loved ones are being held. by the mask, you hit the button, of course with scad. when we hear a boss is really forces treating children so briefly,

my daughter was arrested back when she was 12 years old to me, she's still 12. i think she still feels the same level as fair as when she was detained as a child and is horrified. she still has night mass all the . well, it's now bringing all guess why all joining us from ramallah in the occupied westbank mustafah bond go t is the secretary general of the palestinian national initiative for door. hassan is a research on israel and palestine at misty international. she also writes and blogs on politics, feminism, and disability. and i blake tie. she's the accountability program director defense for children international palestine. he focuses on child attention issues, including ill treatment and torture. a warm welcome to you all. thank you for joining us on inside story mr. bond. go to you. if i can start with you, this equivalence being made in the minds of people who are not familiar with the

situation between the hamas captives and is re palestinian women and children were being held in these really jails. can you explain to us for us why the release of prisoners is a key palestinian demand in negotiations? because uh for so many it is uh, ballasting is out of kept and is that a legit is without you try out the process without fail to try and process the out of the him the without the and as you mentioned the under administrative, the detention to quickly, which can go as long as for 20 years without style and without even charges. and so many police demands have been jailed for very long times. and even when they were released in previous exchange of prison notice cases, they will only add us to the again, like the case of not everybody who, who the, who we just finished for 23 years. and is there any age is um,

just started the 4th, the 4th year. uh, there is no way of for these people and some of them out of sentence to have 5000 d as in j and many out of a sentence to life imprisonment several times. so there is no chance for any of them to be freed from is there any presence on all over the amount of political prisoners, basically without an exchange exchange of prisoners miss watson? this is what this is what has happened before with the case of glad chanita. yes, when one is early, so i'm going to have to be exchanged lives or most once i was a student, but as an a. so that's why my listing is believed that the only way to reduce the present is to, to have some. is there any present those as well? but yeah, so that, that, and that is one very important thing that i want to mention to you. since 1967 is that it has conducted more than 1000000 cases of various, again by the student population. you're talking about 1000000 that is,

in the case of a population that is no more than 5500000 people. and that is quite a significant number, a huge number 1000000 the rest since 1967. you said mister by godaddy. you mentioned the case of these really present a deal actually to was exchange for almost a 1000 palestinian prisoners. but as you say yourself, mister banker is even as more modest to me and prisoners are released every day. we see dozens more arrested as indicate as is the case in the occupied westbank. we've seen more than 90 eras in the last 24 hours in the occupied west bank in guise at the director of i'll chief a hospital and a number of medical personnel arrested there. so my question is obviously it's a relief for the families of these prisoners were being released. but if more palestinians are being arrested is what, what is the point of such deals of such exchanges in the, at this deal, the very 1st deal which should the be initiated with this one is on the beginning

the goal is to achieve the input, obviously is fired, which hopefully will lead to our pregnancies fire. but we all know that there's, there is playing their game that the, and some of those who wouldn't be released without us the done the 3 weeks ago. so i know they play this game, but eventually is it already knows that and there are hundreds of, is there any present? i mean, at least maybe $200.00 or $150.00 or sort of judges. and is there any army officers hired and can go visitors who would not to be released without food and complete the release of all the police to many businesses? and is there any chance they know that better one? so even if they play this game of, i just think i'm the address thing. now. they know that the ultimate deed will not happen unless or isn't that just released. and that's exactly what a listing ends in guys are saying. what door hassan? let me ask you why now, because you've been researching this extensively and as

a missile almost off a bar code, he said that there's been an upsurge arise in the number of a red as a rise in the use of administrative detention even before october. the 7th and the occupied westbank. why have we seen this up search in the address of palestinians? so in general is the use as arbitrary detention, including administrative detention and other forms of vibratory the prevention of liberty as a means to maintain and enforce its system of a party against palestinians. and as a means of fragment things of products and communities. since the 7th of october, as you said before, that this year had already been seeing vicar numbers in 20 years high in the use of administrative detention, of kind of send in prison is but the a number. but it has skyrocketed since the 7th of october, both the number of people had under administrative detention. and this is,

this happens frequently whenever there is a military operations uprisings addressed. is there any use is a just an arbitrary s as a way to control defragment to break down the products and in community and utilize one of the ways in which administer through the testing is used to don't to do that because of the and defend its nature of administrative detention, but this can be extended every see 4 or 6 months indefinitely. and is there any options i can put or of sorry to interrupt you? is there any aspect of administrative detention that is eagle under international law, the international law does not completely prohibit as mr to detention, but it restricts so to being used as a last resort and as an exception in a condition, not as a good book. how well is there a use?

is it so frequently that it's come up to be treated as an exception of resort? it is part and parcel of is punitive system against palestinians. and this use of the system is completely discriminatory. so for those who are headed under, administered to detention diagnose, probably there are always 3. is there any sits, there's so 99.7 percent of all those who's under administer to detention or palestinians and the way it's being done on so that argument, it's record scan, approve detention to that mr. through detention right kind of thing and come not to object to the administer to defense it or not to not challenge as mr to defense improperly. oh, this means that the way is a use is administer to detention is incomplete violation of international. okay. i had a boy ties, let me bring you into the conversation. the majority of palestinians being held, and he's really jails right now on males, teenagers. what are these children?

because they are children? what are they being held for? what are they accused of? yeah, do you me just a little bit of send them to the accused of storm to put on the spot. the thing today is that item literally gets system the punishment for throwing the stones. it's up to 20 years, but it's it meant. so this says that buddies shot sometimes and, but it's the mentions but i'm not in custody of to them. but as i'm inside, is there any, in addition to an alter, presented in the west bank um, blessing for us to mention them in a prison outside the okay. by what if it is it's or crime under international humanitarian law? most importantly, and that, that is also practical aspects. so less and better cnn, to ground and prism inside is r n a among these aspects of that. so there is the, it's difficult for the assignment is to visit them. so during the 1st 3 months of this, the from it is all the, the but

a scene on it. but it's not as they can make it so many presents because they have to secure a special on their maps that enable them to visit their children inside prism conditions. on the inside these presidents, what conditions are they subjected to? what treatment are they subjected to? and uh, almost done that as the mentioned in blood understood. and so it'll get to the dispute that in front of it. so even literally get systems exposed to a different type. so in the treatment then thoughts of some of these types depends on the physical me. thoughts of elizabeth meant that thoughts are like um uh uh, slapping uh, punching uh in this to the enforcing them to say uh on this one position. and most importantly of this, like what does it come to thoughts? elizabeth mint then daughter. most importantly addressing them in a select that 15 minutes and a so that you try to one by 2 without having any interaction with any human being.

and a blessing to them and such situation less the severe psych what does it go? right? implication. well one of them i and i understand i had that a many of these children actually end up confessing to, to the crimes. they're being accused of like throwing stones and taking a p d o, because the maximum sentence they could get for, for the crime is actually lower than the maximum sentence they could spend in a, in a pre trial detention a, this is almost a guess, or the or to them because during the day and so guess young they are, must accompany webs at summit in but there is no a to pitch, a lot of what i think for the instead of guessing. so it's almost impossible for the defense lawyer to boost at these conditions has been expected by force. so even if the defense lawyer tries to last just a short before the minute that a quote, a judge who was really that response of the judge that this does not that the glass

and or the 7th the evidence, if you will wish to examine the evidence use, of course, for another quarter, which is responsible for examining the evidence and almost fits in. what's have been to prove that this is the task function says be expected by force. okay, mr. bob, okay, let me bring you back into the conversation and raise something but the door mention, and that is the treatment of these re lease and similar conditions. of course, these are upper trays itself as a democracy. but what we see here is a 2 tier justice system and we've seen increased violence against palestinians in the occupied westbank by is really settlers. and we've seen this in the wire, for example, before even october. the 7th. is there any accountability in these cases is really so settled as being how to account. you know, of course not even when they commit to the worst kinds of crimes that are

video, they have the occasions when they were to quote the battle named police to me until the end, for instance, where they would be put the engine. but the engine at an on the sink is that committed by settlers as well without any accountability. and what we have here is a system of i thought that what is that peptide apartheid is 2 systems of moses for 2 people living in the same area. and that's exactly what we have is there is judge the bicycle. is it a little by the studios are judged by, is there any military law? so we are subject to a complete different police on the system and the military, it hold on the military laws. so difficult to, to defeat because even in the cases when i understand but doesn't have to have noise, they don't, they don't have access to out of good to, to, to the, to the tools they don't have access to knowing why the people, the defending god charged the frequently they find themselves having glow out of

life to just exit deals because it would be less symptoms. but there isn't really a due process here. more than that. i wanted to do some things that to my truck, the audience, which is that is that are not on the present, but this to me as a lot. i live that also in present inc. did people monitors 398, but his team young's who have already died in is there any james or to and uh, because new a truck by is there any, are me out attempt m j. those who died in the prisons because of sickness or because of torture, have to stay in prison. and if it is you that has to complete that sentence. yeah. what, how does the window window or how does israel justify keeping the bodies of, of palestinian prisoners or people who died under under their watch. you know,

justification 142 of the ballistic guns who it was recently. and most of the young people, a lot of them are killed in an attempt under financial 830, refusing to release them as affordable psychological torture against that fine as well. the form of collective punishment against that family is the 256 out of kept in what they call the number of cemeteries where there is a number for each one. and just the, some of them have been there for more than 40 years. right? so it's an awful kind of practice that of course none of that would have been done is a jewish person, a shocking practice that you described that mr. bond go table door. can you add a bit more to that? the fact that there is no justification from these release for, for keeping the bodies of prisoners who died and is really of policy and prisoners who died and is really jobs. you know, the official is ready to justification for this is to use these, the bodies as bargaining chips. and,

and i know one has to also mention that just as an instructor, detention is one of the legacies of british meant that to you. oh, so the withholding of buddies is one of the shame for the legacies of british mandatory either because it's very uses, a british imagined cedar collation in order to impose this post mortem punishment on past to the end. so this is the official justification guardianships. however, they use the rebuilding of buddies precedes him as it's predicts how much is there it has been withholding progress to me this afternoon. but these since weather since the mid 19 sixties and even before that what it before it has has been established. but since rid of the policy that is there any forces are applying and uh i it, uh would you like to add uh to that uh, that this shocking practice of holding onto to a palestinian bodies in, in is really prisons. i mean, this is almost a form of torture for the families of this prison. it isn't it,

that is what i'm doing. so i the, the, and that, that i'm no problem 20 bit a student to them. good about this way to get them and they are good and that is what i needed to do. some of the they're getting from the starting to kind of this um, disappear, this was done to your collective punishment against their family yet. so there is no just the very open uh, reason for keeping the uh, this is the people uh uh, as apartment of punishment against the communists since somebody is trying to then have that. right. so, but that, that, that, that the best ones in, uh then thinking the fight might not. but the owner is a lady, but it says in still uh collectively spanish, spanish speaking, and people who are living on the air condition. it seems that every palestinian has either spend time in jail or know someone who has spent time in jail. there is

a sense of almost a generational trauma. isn't that how is that affecting the palestinian psyche and palestinian people, whether in the west bank or guys? i think based on prisoners, it's better since a good for the better student, good community. and that's why the obvious even getting that. but that it was it the one of the, the, the deal that is expensive group and guns managed to from fluids. but the is not, you know, a sort of this big cause, almost if you had a student on the experience of the, as the one for me to mean. but this, the, you know, what does it mean to be the price of your life? right? so what does it mean to be in custody of inside the prison? what does it mean to be exposed to elizabeth in center? so this could be one of the reasons that the student implemented give it to you,

to see the agreements between design alternatives and to match the secure, the, or where to secure a better use of 150. but a student to them and a female business. okay, mr. bond, go to less. now why? and this, if we can, israel says it's subjective right now in this war is to dismantle, come us in the gaza strip. but when you see what's happening in the west bank, these mass rest, the incarceration of children of women. what would you say? the objective is ultimately as well the objective of what is what it is doing is to break any form of resistance. it's not just how much i need for more for existence . you know, if, if you start going and they're using military forms, they're called you are a terrorist. if you're struggling with the non violent storms, they can either call you are violent. if you, if you just speak against occupation, just to live with would, would, talking about the injustice. you would be accused of pro vocation if you add on and

for the support thing. but this thing is they will call you on this in mind. and even if you are a jewish person, supporting police do not struggle. they will call you as in fact things really. it's a very, a racist system, very dangerous one. uh, that is threatening to blow by this to me on that i for freedom. and the attacks that thought happen even though and does the autumn up against time, as on the guest old police to me and people is what it is conducting city water could items at the same time, it's nick lensing, collective punishment and genocide and data. gordon was clearly from the beginning to evict and forced everybody out of gaza. since they could do that, you have that data thing they'll do is click click lens den north and the center of guys. and that's why they've destroyed hospitalization. that's why we did that. they've destroyed everything, but let me tell you that uh, what, what data doing is, as, as was mentioned by my colleagues where before,

that was from us, i mean 40 and a time for 2 years ago. he doesn't have time. us. right. 75 years ago. it isn't that what they are doing is an act against that. i post the police to me and people to be free. the only thing is that 40 percent of all of them me in the list. damian's have been to is that ages. but the only thing is, i want to tell you this, this story is very touching. i met though, a woman engineering kemp, a mother hips child who was 15 years old, was struck to death by the is it a, i mean for nothing. now the keeping him as if it is you that is do depriving. here is what i'm seeing to the body of that time. she told me all i want is a good day of the visit. a good day. i have to cry that i'm the depriving head of this little thing, right, because they want to talk to each other. everybody still getting the question here is not about time asked the question, and that is about, is it a, it is effort to, to, to, to but events ballast against from having

a lot of my life to prevent the students from having see them and even to try to, if me can mcclin's or by the students would or let me come to you now and ask you about the fact that in the past few days has been discussions in israel for using even the death penalty in the future. for those who are deemed to be terrorist and in their words, what are the prospects of these really government passing those laws and how concerned does that make you when, when you see the situation on the ground today. as i said, i'm this international, we oppose. we completely oppose the use of the spinner to you by any state. uh, but its 6 to me, it's even more water yang to see that. but it's certainly good. this is not the end you processed by the way that legislation or after dissolution about using the disparity and using words like terrorists. and we know what is that, is that just renters are mean and guess palestinians has been in the discussions

from the start of the year, especially under then you've got to. but it's even more worrying to see that the israeli government is now using the word and does that in order to justify the introduction of the disconnect, it is extremely concerning and it's clearly owned it's, it's yet another layer of discrimination. and we've been also talking by the way about detainees and detention for freedom of expression and arbitrary detention. it's important to also add that palestinian citizen itself, is it a and has been on the have been facing sort of slow this arbitrary detention since the 7th of october. hundreds of palestinians have been detained for different amounts of time. just for posting on facebook about us and you know it's, it's been, some is there and many of them say that's what they are living right now is similar to the military rules under which their jazz parents lived between 19481966 in

this explain in this industry, it's one thing, it's an districts how is the system of a party is not on the imposed against palestinians and that was back in the gaza strip, but also against protest against it since it's are. and now with the talk about the introduction of the disparity, this would be just another a tool that is, it would add, so it's extremely consenting. okay, mr. bob, go to you. i'll give you the last words we've been talking about how mass detention and mass the rest are being used as a weapon of war and occupation today. what tools should the international community be using to prevent this from happening? and then the community is not doing what it should go, which is to hold those that are that comfortable to do. but i, is it a and i from the impunity, it has to stop dealing with is it allows, if it is above the international owner, we ask that international community is to apply international the same. busy as

they speak about when it comes to other countries, if they do so, they would have to impose sanctions on reserves. they have to impose sanctions and boycott on this system. that is, why would they think every international, eh, so not the system of apartheid, but also through a system of persecution under the impression of people in the most violent possible way. you asked about this sentence me actually even without passing this sentence, they had already practicing that they can't, but this thing is left on that i old on the young without the comfortability. i mean, you could because at any moment, just because i saw a job decides to do so, i'm especially since the 7th of october is early. sonya is that early settler, unable to is early police month saying that they have the green light to shoot. i'm getting published in young or at least taught us them. this is the kind of life we

are subjected to. so we'd be mind that the old community, the applied to certain rules that they are using the new could i and for instance, right. well, i am the kids, so if you could, i and so much of the for a country because they say it's 5 dingle corporation and then our kids, the supporting go goodbye. thank you very much. thank you for a very interesting conversation. was talk about 40, i wake ties sion but dore hassan. thank you for joining us and thank you to for watching. you can always watch this program again any time by visiting our website at all, which is 0 dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash a j inside story. of course you can join the conversation on exile handle. is that a j inside story from me for you back to the whole team here in doha? thanks for watching bye for now. the

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