doesn't have the time to wait for the extremely unfortunate script. there are no quick wins and eventually such odd hitting interviews. do you feel like america is the best thing to do since these days, or is it just a different full? i think that democracy in the process facing realities do you feel that the fraction is already starting the g 7 in the us on one side, china and the bricks on the other? i think there is a huge piece of that to happen here. the story on talk to how does era the guy, the cease fire dealing to is the release of at least a 100 policy me is detained and he's really jails. but every day israel arrest thousands more. why has so many palestinians imprisoned in israel? is mass detention be used as a weapon of war and occupation? this is inside story, the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm 40 by people. i'm us has always made the freedom of palestinian prison is one of the conditions for the release of is really and for and kept is. and it's one of the times of this cease fire. thousands of posting is held in these really jails, and that number is increasing daily since the war on guys have begun. there's been a sharp rise in a rest send. the tension size is really forces step up raised in the occupied. westbank is arouse use of administrative detention means. it can imprison palestinians without charging them or putting them on trial. but human rights schools say that practice is against international law. and estimate is 7800 palestinians are detained in his really presence. that's according to the policy and you know, for a commission for prisoners affairs, more than 2000 are in administrative detention, which means they can be held indefinitely without charge or trial. since october, the 7th,

6 palestinians have died in these really jails. and more than 3100 have been detained in the occupied west back. some have been arrested for writing or liking posts on social media that express sympathy for palestinians in gaza. about 80 of the prisoners are women. roughly 200 children old miners are also locked up. israel is the only country that really tries children in military courts. now more frequent is really rates mean more policy and families are separated. he has a testimony of one child whose father was recently detained in gaza and who else. but as i was with my father, we were going through a check point is really forces called for my uncles interest of them. my father was looking at me and was supposed to go with us, but he was detained as well. i used to hug him and kissed them. they took my father from my hands. we only had closed. we told them we don't have weapons. now we don't know what to eat or what to wear for now as ease really jail say lot palestinians

are increasingly concerned about the conditions under which their loved ones are being held by the mask. you hit the button and of course with scad. when we hear a boss is really forces treating children so briefly, my daughter was arrested back when she was 12 years old to me. she's still 12. i think she still feels the same level as fair as when she was detained as a child and is horrified. she still has night mess all the. well, it's now bringing all guess why? all joining us from ramallah in the occupied westbank mustafah bond go t is the secretary general of the palestinian national initiative for door. hassan is a research on israel and palestine at misty international. she also writes and blogs on politics. semen is in and disability, and i wake time. she's the accountability program director defense for children international palestine. he focuses on child attention issues,

including ill treatment and torture. a warm welcome to you all. thank you for joining us on inside story. mr. bond go to you if i can start with you. this equivalence being made in the minds of people who are not familiar with the situation between the hamas captives and is re palestinian women and children were being held in these really jails. can you explain to us for us why the release of prisoners is a key palestinian demand in negotiations? because uh for so many it is uh, ballasting is out of kept in. is that a big is without? would you try out the process without fair to try and process the out of the him, the without the and as you mentioned, the administrative detention can you quickly which can go as long as for 20 years without style and without even charges. and the so many police simians have been jailed for very long times. and even when they were released in previous exchange

of prison notice cases, they will only add us to the again, like the case of not everybody who, who the, who we just finished for 23 years. and is there any age is um, just started the 4th, the 4th year. uh, there is no way for these people and some of them are sentenced to the 5000 d as in j and many of a sentence to life imprisonment several times. so there is no chance for any of them to be freed from is there any presence on all over the political prison that's basically without an exchange exchange of prisoners miss watson. this is what this is what has happened before with the case of glad chanita. yes. when one is early so and you have to have to be exchanged lives or most once i was a student but doesn't know. so that's why our listing is believing that the only way to reduce the present is, is to, to have some. is there any present areas as well, but yeah, so on the other hand, that is one very important thing that i want to mention to you. since 1967. is that

a that has conducted more than 1000000 cases of that is against by the student population. you're talking about 1000000. that is, in the case of a population that is no more than 5500000 people. that is quite a significant number, a huge number 1000000 the rest since 1967. you said mister by godaddy. you mentioned the case of these really a prisoner a deal actually to was exchange for almost a 1000 palestinian prisoners. but as you say yourself, mister banker is even as more modest to me and prisoners are released every day. we see dozens more arrested as indicate as is the case in the occupied westbank. we've seen more than 90 eras in the last 24 hours in the occupied west bank in guys that the director of, i'll chief a hospital and a number of medical personnel arrested there. so my question is obviously it's a relief for the families of these prisoners were being released. but if more

palestinians are being arrested is what it, what is the point of such deals of such exchanges in the, at this deal the very 1st deal would show should the be initiated with this one is on the beginning the goal is to achieve the input obviously is fired, which hopefully will lead to our pregnancies fire. but we all know that there's, there is playing their game at the, the, and some of those who wouldn't be released without us the done the 3 weeks ago. so i know they play this game, but eventually is it already knows that and there are hundreds of, is there any present it is, i mean, at least maybe $200.00 or $150.00 or sort of judges. and is there any army officers higher than kink offices who would not to be released without food and complete the release of old police to many businesses and is there any chance they know that better one? so even if they play this game of, i just think i'm the address thing. now. they know that the ultimate deed will not

happen unless or isn't those out of the least. and that's exactly what a listing is. and guys are saying, what door hassan? let me ask you why now, because you've been researching this extensively, and as a miss, i almost got a bug. cody said that there's been an upsurge, arise in the number of a read as a rise in the use of administrative detention, even before october. the 7th and the occupied westbank. why have we seen this up search in the address of palestinians? so in general is the use as arbitrary detention, including administrative detention and other forms of arbitrary the prevention of liberty as a means to maintain and enforce its system of a party against palestinians. and as a means of fragment things of products and communities. since the 7th of october, as you said before, that this year had already been seeing vicar numbers in 20 years high in the use of

administrative detention, of kind of send in prison is but the a number. but it has skyrocketed since the seconds of october, both the number of people had under administrative detention. and this is, this happens frequently whenever there is a military operations uprisings addressed. is there any use, is this an arbitrary s as a way to control defragment, to break down the products and in community and utilize one of the ways in which administer through the testing is used to don't to do that because of the and defend its nature of administrative detention, but that can be extended every see 4 or 6 months indefinitely. and is there any options i can put or of sorry to interrupt you? is there any aspect of administrative detention that is legal under international law, the international law does not completely prohibit as mr to detention,

but the district said to be english as a last resort. and as an exception in a condition, not as a good, but how was uh, is there a use, is it so frequently that it's come up to be treated as an exception of resort? it is part and parcel of is punitive system against palestinians. and this use of the system is completely discriminatory. so for those who are headed under, administered to detention diagnose, probably there are always 3. is there any sits, there's so 99.7 percent of all those who's under administer to detention or palestinians. and the way it's being done on so that aren't able to record scan, approve detention to that mr. through detention right kind of thing and come not to object to the administrative defense or not to not challenge as mr. to detention properly. oh, this means that the way is a use is administer to detention is incomplete violation of international. okay. i

had a boy ties. let me bring you into the conversation. the majority of palestinians being held, and he's really jails right now on male teenagers. what are these children because they are children, what are they being held for? what are they accused of? yeah, do you me just a little bit of send them to the accused old story to put on the spot. uh, according to the is that item related ecosystem, the punishment for throwing the stones? it's up to 20. yes. and for this event. so this is betty hot shot sometimes and, but it's been mentioned, but i'm not in custody of to them, but isms inside. is there any in addition to an alter, presented in the west bank? i'm blessing for us to mention them in a prison outside. they will combine with it as it's or crime, i'm sorry, i've missed out of community and all, most importantly that, that there is also practical aspects. so less than 15 inches round and prism inside is r n a among these aspects of that. so that is the,

it's difficult for the family is to visit them. so during the 1st 3 months of the s, d from it is all that deep and a scene. and if it is not, as they can make so many presents, because they have to secure a special on their merits that enable them to visit their children inside the prism conditions. on the inside these presidents, what conditions are they subjected to? what treatment are they subjected to as a student that as the mentioned in blood artist, it instead of get it done with it in front of this, i even looked at really good systems exposed to a different types of treatment. then to touch some of these types depends on the physical me thoughts or elizabeth meant that thoughts are like uh, the slapping uh function. uh is this the, the enforcing them to say uh on this one position. and most importantly,

if the site but it to come me thoughts, elizabeth went then daughter, most importantly blessing them minnesota when 5 minutes in a settled bath, new to one by 2 without having any interaction with any human being and a blessing to them and such situation. left the city of psych, what does it go? price? uh, implication i don't want them. i understand. um i had that uh the uh many of these children actually end up confessing to to the crimes. they're being accused of like throwing stones and taking a p d o, because the maximum sentence they could get for, for the crime is actually lower than the maximum sentence they could spend in, in a pre trial detention a. this is almost a guess what the or to them because during the day and so guess young they are not the company webs at a minimum, but there is no, i think it's a lot of what i think for the instead of guessing. so it's almost impossible for

the defense lawyer to boost at these conditions has been expected by force. so even of the defense lawyer tries to this just to show before them in the 3rd quarter judge, usually that response of the judge that this does not that the glass and or the some of the evidence, if you will wish to examine david dunn's use of course for another quarter, which is the responsibility for examining the evidence and almost fits in. what's have been to prove that this is the task function says expected by force. okay, mr. michael, to let me bring you back into the conversation and raised some things that were mentioned and that is a treatment of these strategies and similar conditions. of course, these are upper trays itself as a democracy. but what we see here is a 2 tier justice system and we've seen increased violence against palestinians in the occupied westbank by is really settlers. and we've seen this in the wire, for example, before even october the 7th. is there any accountability in these cases?

ok is really so subtle is being held to account. no, of course not. even when they commit to the worst kinds of crimes that are the video, they have the occasions when they were to quote the battle named police to me until the end, for instance. where they would be put the engine, but the engine at an on the us that gives the committed by settler as well without any accountability the. and the, what we have here is a system of i thought that what is up type of type is 2 systems of moses for 2 people living in the same area. and that's exactly what we have is there is judge, the bicycle isn't a little by the stadiums are judged by, is there any military law? so we are subjected to a complete, differently kind of system. and the military and the military laws, so difficult to, to defeat because even in the cases when i just didn't put us enough to have lawyers, they thought they're going to have access to out of good to, to, to the,

to the tools they don't have access to knowing why the people, the defending god charged the frequently they find themselves having glow out of life. just accept deals because it would be less symptoms. but there isn't really a due process here more than that. i want to do some things that to my truck, the audience, which is that, is it or not on the in prisons, but this to me is what i live, that also imprisoning. did people monitors 398, but this thing young's who have already died? is there any james or to and the because they were shot by, is there any, are me out attempt m j. those who died in the prisons because of sickness or because of torture, has to stay in prison. and if it is you that has to complete that sentence. yeah.

what, how does the window window, or how does israel justify keeping the bodies of, of palestinian prisoners of people who died under, under their watch. you know, justification 142 of the students who it was recently, most of the young people, a lot of them are, children are kept under financially 30, refusing to release them as affordable. psychological torture against that file is the form of collective punishment against the families. and the 256 out of kept in what they call the number of cemeteries where there is a number for each one and just the, some of them have been there for more than 40 years. okay, so it's an awful kind of practice that of course none of that would happen to one is a jewish breast, a shocking practice that you described to mr. bond go table door. can you add a bit more to that? the fact that there is no justification from these release for, for keeping the bodies of prisoners who died and these really of policy and

prisoners who died. and is there any chance you know, the office of the justification for this is to use these dead bodies as bargaining chips and, and i know one has to also mention that just administrative detection is one of the legacies of richmond. that's her. yeah. oh. so the withholding of buddies is one of the shame for legacies of british mandatory either because it serves as a british imagined cedar correlation in order to impose this post mortem punishment on past to me. and so this is the official justification bargain chips. however, they use the rebuilding of buddies precedes him as it's predicts how much is there it has been withholding products to me this afternoon. but these since was since the mid 19 sixties. and even before that, what it before, it has has been established. lots of rid of the policies that is their entity forces are applying. and uh i it, uh, would you like to add uh, to that uh,

that this shocking practice of holding onto to a palestinian bodies in, in is really prison. so, i mean, this is almost a form of torture for the families of this prison. it isn't, it is what i'm doing. so i have to add that that i'm no problem 20 bit, a student to gram good about this way to get them and they are get then it is easy to do some of the getting from the somebody to kind of this um, disappear. this was done to a collective punishment against the family. yes. so there is no it just the very open uh reason for keeping the uh this is the people um as a part of punishment against the somebody is since somebody is trying to have that right. so, but i that the, that, that the best ones in the bad thing in the fight and not but the old days lady, but it says am still uh, uh, collectively, spanish, spanish speaking,

and people who are living on the air condition. i it seems that every palestinian has either spend time in jail or know someone who has spend time in jail. there is a sense of almost a generational trauma. isn't that how is that affecting the palestinian psyche and polish to me and people, whether in the westbank or guys i think based on prisoners, it's better since a good for the better student, good community. and that's why the obvious even getting that, but that it was it the one of the, the, the deal that is this spencer group and guns managed to from fluids. but the, is not, you know, a sort of this big cause. almost if you had a student on the experience of the as the one me to mean, but the is the norm, what does it mean to be the price of your life? right. so what does it mean to be in custody of inside the prison?

what does it mean to be exposed toilets, good intent, thoughts out? so this could be one of the reasons that the student implemented give it to you, to see the agreements between design alternatives and to match the secure, the, or where to secure a better use of 150. but a student to them and a female business. okay, mr. bond, go to less now why? and this, if we can, israel says it's subjective right now in this war is to dismantle, come us in the gaza strip. but when you see what's happening in the west bank, these mass rest, the incarceration of children of women. what would you say? the objective is ultimately as well the objective of what is what it is doing is to break any form of resistance. it's not just how much any form of resistance, you know, if, if you start going and they're using military forms, they're called you are a terrorist. if you start going with the non violent storms,

that country according to a violent, if you, if you just speak against occupation just to live with would, would, talking about the injustice. you would be accused of pro vocation if you add on and for the support thing, but this thing is they will call you on this in mind. and even if you are a jewish person, supporting police didn't struggle. they will call you a said faith things really. it's a very racist system, very dangerous. one. uh, that is threatening to blow by this to me on that i for freedom. and the attacks that thought happen even though and does the autumn up against time, as on the guest old police to me and people is what it is conducting city water could items at the same time, it's nick lensing, collective punishment and genocide. and data going was clearly from the beginning to evict and forced everybody out of gaza. since they could do that, you have that data thing they'll do is click click lens den north and the center of the guys. and that's why they've destroyed hospitalization. that's why we did that

. they've destroyed everything. but let me tell you that uh, what, what data doing is, as, as was mentioned by my colleagues where before, that was from us. i mean for to you to terms with it for 2 years ago. we didn't have time us, right. 75 years ago. it isn't. what they are doing is an act against that. i post the police to me and people to be city. the only thing is that 40 percent of all of them me in the list. damian's have been to is there any jews? but the only thing is i want to tell you this, this story is very touching. i met though a woman engineering kemp, a mother hips child who was 15 years old, was shot to death by the is it a, i mean for nothing? and now the keeping him as if it is you that is did depriving. here is what i'm seeing to the body of how to try. and she told me all i want is the day of the visit. a good i have to could i ended up depriving head of this little thing right?

because they want to talk to each other every published again, the question here is not about time asked the question, and that is about, is it a, it is effort to, to, to, to, but event specialist against, from having a lot of my life to prevent the students from having see them and even to try to escalate conclusions or by the students were door. let me come to you now and ask you about the fact that in the past few days has been discussions in israel for using even the death penalty in the future for those who are deemed to be terrorist and in their words, what are the prospects of these really government passing those laws and how concerned does that make you when, when you see the situation on the ground today. as i said, i'm this international and we are full as we complete your phones, the use of the spinner to you by any state. uh, but it's extremely, it's even more water yang to see that, but it's fairly good. this is not the end you processed by the way that legislation

or after dissolution about using the disparity and using words like terrorists. and we know what is that, is that just slater's our meeting and guess, palestinians has been in the discussions from the start of the year, especially under then you've got to. but it's even more worrying to see that the israeli government is now using the word and does that in order to justify the introduction of the disconnect, it is extremely concerning and it's clearly owned. it's yet another layer of discrimination. and we've been also talking by the way about detainees and detention for freedom of expression and arbitrary extension. it's important to also add that's palestinian citizen itself. is it a and has been on the have been facing sort of sort of this arbitrary detention since the 7th of october. hundreds of palestinians have been detained for different amounts of time just for posting on facebook about us and, and since then,

so is there and many of them say that's what they are living right now is similar to the military rules under which their jazz parents lived between 19481966. and even this explained this industry, it's one thing it's illustrates how is the system of a party is not on the imposed against palestinians? and that was back in the gaza strip, but also against protest against it. since it's are, and now with the talk about the introduction of the disparity, this would be just another a tool that is, it would add, so it's extremely consenting. okay, mr. bond, go to you. i'll give you the last words we've been talking about how math detention and math the rest are being used as a weapon of war and occupation today. what tools should the international community be using to prevent this from happening? and then the community is not doing what it should go, which is to hold those that are that comfortable to do. but i, is it

a and i from the impunity, it has to stop dealing with is it allows, if it is above the international owner, we ask that international community is to apply international law the same. busy as they speak about when it comes to other countries, if they do so, they would have to impose sanctions on reserves. they have to impose sanctions and boycott on this system. that is, why would they think every international, eh, so not the system of apartheid, but also through a system of persecution under the impression of people in the most violent possible way. you asked about this sentence me actually even without passing this sentence, they had already practicing that. the kids by listing is left on that i old on the young without the comfortability. i mean, you could because at any moment, just because i saw a job decides to do so, i'm especially since the 7th of october is early sonya is that early settler,

unable to is an early policeman saying that they have the green light to shoot. i'm getting published in years old, at least taught us them. this is the kind of life we subject it to. so we'd be mind that the old community, the applied to certain rules that they are using the new could i and for instance, right. why in the case of you could i and so much of it for a country because they say it's 5 dingle corporation and then our kids the supporting go goodbye. thank you very much. thank you for a very interesting conversation with stuff about 40 i wake, tie, shin backdoor house on thank you for joining us and thank you to for watching. you can always watch this program again any time by visiting our website at all to 0 dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page, us facebook dot com, forward slash 8 inside story. of course you can join the conversation on x fell handle. is that a j inside story from me for you back to buttonhole team here in doha,

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