tv The Bottom Line Al Jazeera November 24, 2023 5:30pm-6:01pm AST
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messages here and they live here in northern garza. substantial desk hangs heavy in the and some families take advantage of the polls and strikes to go back to the homes or what's left of them for those forced to move south. so there is no option of retaining the ceasefire also offers the injured an opportunity to seek treatment at hospitals in egypt. during the 4 day period, israel is expected to free 150 palestinians detained in its presence. in return, how much will release 50 is rainy women and children held captive since the october the 7th attack? how much says it's also prepared to release caption is really soldiers, but on one condition? well, these are to deal with this and i think we, we also thought spokesmodel from us, but i guess we all ready to make us, well, an experience is ready to and it is all the appraisal noticed and designed attention. meanwhile, in israel,
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the desire for all the captives to be brought home safely as strong as is the mother trees, determination to keep quiet. there will be support for continuing the war. i just hope between not continuing the same intensity because if it continues into certainly density means moving down so that so the car to think has a steeper told me to be brought. now concentrate to what is very smart piece of land. i don't working, mentioning my simple black box, didn't take place there a few minutes here in a including fuel and a convoy of ambulances is flowing into gaza from egypt. from us is about 200 trucks are expected to enter the strip. each day the ceasefire holds like level o does era we can now report that is really hostages in guns that have been transferred to the red cross and are currently on their way to the border crossing with egypt. the rough of border crossing. this is coming from reuters news agency,
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which is citing is really tv channel. so i'll repeat that is really captive in gaza . have been transferred to the red cross and they're currently as we speak on their way to the border crossing with egypt. so this is in line with how the deal was supposed to work. 13 is really captives that have been held in the gaza by him. us since october, the 7th were scheduled to be released sometime after 4 pm. it's currently $430.00 and the red cross was expected to be was meant to be facilitating this, get them out of gaza through the roof of border crossing that the border with egypt . where is really helicopters have been standing by waiting for them. is really tv channels now reporting that, that is currently underway. let me bring in daniel levy. daniel is the president of the us middle east project, and a former is really negotiate or you're joining us from london as a former negotiator. you just heard what i said, and this latest reporting,
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this is coming from is really tv channels. what's your reaction? i've not done the substitution negotiations just just to copy out that 0. yeah, well look, we could have a do you feel joy? is that not only on the human level to these people, these is riley's the 13 in this fest punch. it seems and ties today as well. we'll be getting out on the human level that gaza is not subject to bombardment. we will not see the devastation of the last weeks, at least to full days. we must not return to it. maybe we'll come back to that palestinians who have been held in his right presence will be re united with that family. so that's, that's one on the human level. slightly different level. we are now apparently ready in the proof of concept that you can have
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a negotiate to release. you can have a section of hostilities that the category mediation has been successful. that the pressure exerted by the families inside these ro, well narrowed political leadership, who extremely reluctant to go down. this path has paid off. so there's a lot of and it's going to be full. it's going to be tens that are things that could still go wrong. but we have a crucial 1st step in a proof of concept, which offers us a way out of the health scale of the last weeks. we are a long way from achieving all of the facts as daniel, just let me remind her of yours, of what they're seeing on their screen right now. you've got the center of your screen in the top right. the center of your screen is the roof of border crossing. that is where the is really captive. some are now being brought. whether we might end up seeing this on this live shot i, i really can't tell you um and the top right corner of your screen is the
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o for security facility. and also a live shot that's in the occupied westbank. and that is where we are expecting pounds, 39 palestinian prisoners to be at some point today released the daniel, thanks for your patience here. where do you think this takes us? you say we have proof of concept then what then what is the crucial question? i don't know if we do get an extension beyond the initial 4 days that will be efforts to that effect. i fear that even if that succeeds, it will not give us the permanence the section of the of this is written military campaign of this film. bob and 14 and a half 1000, that's 6000 children. i mean, we won't get that unless unless the least 2 or 3 things happened. the pressure inside as well,
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with this new dynamic seeing the people come out. seeing this, put, the pressure escalates on the military leadership because the political and military leadership i'll say, as well, the 2 go hand in hand, only the military campaign told us to this deal. we can only get these right out with a top military campaign. that's that narrative. i think it's true. i think the still was available for a long time. it only happened when there was pressure. so i think the only way you get the next phase of a next deal for release is it says that internal dynamic is route which becomes even more wrapped up. secondly, we need the external pressure. what we're reading and hearing and i'm hearing and conversations at the moment is america is not pushing israel for an oval ceasefire . the president and his team are asking these riley to carry out the next phase of the war. you know, most surgical way. that sounds like russia you get responsibility of
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complicity because as we've been looking at this, you have a much logic palestinian population. civilian population crammed into a much smaller area in the south. that's where these range will go to next. if they carry a limited to campaign which they intend to, and that will lead to even more last step is faced in destruction. so we have to try to avoid that. i don't think the americans are they yet unless they put pressure. i worry the way not seeing the end of the horrible images, but the pressure may increase. also just because western media who haven't been in gaza may go in the more they make it more of an accurate picture, what is actually been done. so we're gonna have to have this insight outside push. well, to be clear for the moment deceased by a deal does not include any provisions for any other media to go inside. got that i hear what you're saying. but that question was asked directly of the spokesperson, i think that's already foreign ministry. he said for the moment. no,
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there's no provision to allow more during listen to gaza. and if you are these route, you can understand exactly why that preventing that, by the way. and i think that, well, so i'm going to try and keep a lid on the story. i don't think it's going to be that easy, a little in the stories that you know, these people are going to come out. and let's see how they all can be re, we're united with the families. but at some stage we're going to hear how often. and again, that could be proof of concept that these rates can come out a live in relatively good condition and not will induce i hope more pressure. danielle, thank you very much for that snap analysis. as we have just found out and hearing the reporting from is really tv channels that the is really captives are on their way out of gauze as we speak. daniel leave you there. thank you very much. i want to go straight to sarah. hi. right. sorry. you're in tel aviv, where people have been to day waiting for news about the release of the 1st group of captives. i assume that they are hearing what these really media are reporting.
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i'm also hearing that you have many get some member of the war cabinet was arrived where you are. tell us. yeah i'm, i'm sorry to interrupt to that because i'm just the way. i'm just the way that he might be very quickly. so i just want to show you and explain to you what top then you have the minnesota on the cabinet, maybe down to an integral to the decisions are being made, not just in terms of the will, but also in terms of bringing back those health cap says he's kind of he said, so sorry, support for the family. see how this speaks earlier. some of the families of those a health captive him and he said it was important to be able to let them know that he will continue all his efforts to ensure that every one of those health caps it is from cause. this is the 1st time we've seen such a public display when he comes to the square and official, but he's involved in those big decisions in terms of the school hasn't paid head to
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meet those families. what you're hearing behind me right now. and he was taking pots and knots as well, with some of the him, the spying on sabbath today is a day of respite, thoughts around sunset. and this is what's been happening for the last hour or so. people have been lighting candles as they wait for the, with breast tells us to both the same people, the robot. that's what you're hearing right now. and everyone is saying they will continue to do this through the nights or reminds and not just for those that are being pulled. it's fine, but also for the families. one of the cats is, is a 4 year old. it's actually her best day today. and her family was hoping that she would be on one of the should be names on the list of people that will be coming over today to as well. but it turns out she knows, and that's why everyone is trying to ping that in the next few days, we'll see more of them coming back and not will fill those families with some form of hope for the next spot. so if people possibly offer this full days,
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if that ends up being an extension, if that ends up being more comp since release, we have spoken to a brother of one of the soldiers. that was house. i just want to show you here. actually let me just stop for a moment so you can see that is spending against thinking to family members. if you just take a look at the time of my next few moves further close on. obviously everyone wants to speak with him just to give you a little bit of a background. so the full guessing to this say families of those health passive have been riley. and this could say, we see the best price is significant because just with spending down since heading is towards 10 to the left side tens where i've been put top 5 of family members are hunting in his day and day out. the continue to do so until everyone returns.
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i'm just wondering if we can move in 5. 0 yeah, i can hear you 0. i was i, i'm listening to you and we're taking it all in sarah. yeah, please go ahead. i was going to ask you how to do things that go ahead. so this is become a very important square, are not just saying this is a very important square and actually tomorrow it's 15 days since those i've been held captive. and since they would take 10 across into gaza, i'm when we were talking to people earlier, they was saying that they're all going to be coming here tomorrow. once again to service support that calling on people to not stop gathering here. because what i was saying earlier is that was the last, the concern from the families in that they had been demanding specs questions. bit beyond says by the government from prime minister benjamin netanyahu from penny guns from you all along with the minister of defense hosking for the that on
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to a what's happening in terms of negotiations. what we do know is that the names have been shed by the families and it's expected around this time now that the list for tomorrow will also be revealed. that will be between these radio officials and the families of those types. and so i'm going to be a free tomorrow and brooks back across. but in terms of sharing that information with the complex, it's very much can tons of rocks because of space that it could pose confusion that it could pull stress for the families. if those are expecting their loved ones to return on till not less so or you are reporting from what can be described as the epis center. it is real. busy this push within is really society to try and, and put pressure on the government to obtain the release of as many captives as they can. the people in the crowd behind you would say, release all the captives. of course you've been reporting on that over the last few days. you just so many gets a member of the war cabinet was in that crowd quite telling moments after is really
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media started reporting that the captives were being released. so as i write reporting from tel aviv, thank you very much. i want to take it now to the occupied westbank because $39.00 palestinians will be released on friday. they've been transported from to, is really jail as to the o for present selves of ramallah in the occupied westbank 24 of the detainees approved for release or women 15 or children. many of them jails for offenses such as throwing stones. they come from areas across the occupied west bank, but most are from occupied east jerusalem, which means that they are effectively under is really police control. first name is robbie joins us from novelist in the occupied westbank zane. can you, can you speak to of the anticipation in jerusalem and in the occupied westbank as they await the release of 39 palestinian prisoners.
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well, 8 of the women being released are from novelists are from areas in and around where we are here in novelist. and it has been a slow, long process of trickling information. but we have spoken to families who now have been informed that their family members names are on the list. we've spoken to people who has been disappointed to learn that their relatives will not be released today. but we have spoken to members of families whose daughters sisters nice is they are getting out today. they've already started to decorate the rooms family members are gathering in their homes. parents are at all for prison or at the check point, waiting for them to crossover. we understand it's a matter of hours of probably around 8 p. m, or midnight local time. one day will be returning home and there's a great deal of excitement. there has been anticipation, people were a bit wary. and of course, those have been left disappointed are no doubt going to be looking forward to
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another chance another round of releases. but there are people who are very excited at what is happening. they'll be describing incomplete happiness of the issue of palestinian prisoners, those in detention while the palestinian people are far from a monolith. there are certain shared traumas of occupation and the imprisonment of palestinian people in is really presence in the presence of their occupiers. they say that is a kind of generational shared trauma and just to give you a sense of how people are responding, we would like to reach you. the words of one of the mothers of 4 men serving license is by and large, the largest group of prisoners, out of the $7200.00. more than 7200 people in his really defense in a young man and boys and one mother in her seventies who has 4 sons on a serving life sentence is one was killed whose body still remains and is rarely
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custody. she had this to say on the occasion of today's events. we're all happy about the release today. it's a significant moments. every released individual brings us happiness. our hope is that those with long sentences will also be set free. i dreamed that my son's body will some day rest in palestinian soil. so there is this sense of camaraderie among palestinians. they are glad when one person is released, but for every person that's released many more has been detained to justin in the matter of the 7 weeks since this war has gone on, just to give you a sense of how to how wide spread these detentions are just since this morning, 15 more people weren't detained in the occupied westberg and on likely to see the freedom uh any time soon. so while everyone is celebrating each and every person that gets out, they also say that each and every detention is a source of, of sorrow and suffering for families across the occupied territories. and same
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distraught, the reporting from novelists in the occupied west bank. thank you very much for that reporting and also for all of that context. now we don't want to forget what's happening on the ground in guys that we want to show you what's left of one of gauze as largest medical centers. that's the indonesian hospital inmate law. here in northern garza, these pictures which i have to tell you some people may find distressing. speak louder than words. the bodies have not been buried there because it has not been safe to venture outdoors to degrees is really tanks and snipers have surrounded the hospital for days. the facility went out of service a week ago after struggling to operate with minimal fuel and medical supplies. in its final days, surgeons performed operations without any anesthetic and by ports lights. what you're seeing now is the after mass,
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hundreds of displace palestinians sort shelter there after being forced from their homes. also earlier we spoke to as the homicide, a member of homeless political bureau, he says that how much is prepared to release all of its captives including his really soldiers. but only if is really agrees to release all palestinian prisoners the we in the thrust is right enough know before 70 or before 50 is all the time you're going to post. as i read this that then many times in different locations. and i think that is what it is in a we hold the policy and the people under think the last for this war in on guys are playing. that is william, is it, is it an amy is a product and i mean we could not, no, we never trust them because i think though what they're doing now is just killing sylvia and destroying everything. this really cost without destroying. they want to kill the life in golf and they want to destroy the policy and the people, these people are not interested in anything related to the piece or existence or
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even for, for, for a ceasefire. we have the trust in, but i think that when do we for this our condition because it will be the best because not do more because now till now these are not that you anything. but look at the side or the political side. they just click the city this, the big, the huge achievement is right, is to come. most of you the most would be the but the going to be able to use the biggest problem that we are going to. busy to destroy us, to destroy there is this does, to destroy the pen, is to bring the hostage and back placement. but they did not anything, anything, but they need to put the score. so i think it's the big chris to know, but this succeeded in the pro more so the, in the us and to kill, of those and the, to do that more than i did. it shows the board that it's the a 100, was this a big problem or if it's like in the international community? so i think i was in, in, in, in confidence that is, i was been in gauze. well,
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i deal with the acute, nothing can. so you told us that a mazda is open to releasing him to negotiating the release of further a civilian captives that are currently held in gaza. aust or civilians are released . what about is really soldiers? and i think this is another story. well, these are to do with this on the think we, we, i know sits on spokesmodel from us, but i guess we all ready to make us, well, an experience is ready to release all the appraisal, notice and designed attention. we have no. so you're ready to assess, rarely presenters to say, i beg your pardon is really so it must, yes. okay. it is a must have used all that for exist and we all need to do these days. i just want to show ok, let's bring him on the shower houses. you were a senior political analyst, and more one. you've been watching the events of the last 20 minutes with us unfold in the studio. we're in the middle of this deal, right? this is day one of the deal by the end of the day will know whether the swap,
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the exchange has taken place, captives out of gaza and palestinian prisoners out of is really jails. it seems one half of it is pretty much confirmed. we're getting confirmation from the news agencies, reuters and they have the, the both israel and home us are saying, yes, the captives. but the 13 captives are out of hamas as hands as well as 12 tri nationals. so that's 25 people today we're, we're in the middle of this. how, how are you processing this? what kind of conclusions is too early for conclusions, but should should be, were start to draw from this? well, clearly this wouldn't be the pilot, right? for things to come, if it works today, it means it could definitely work the following few days. so i think uh the a lot, a lot rides on the success of exchange today. and for the time being seems like
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everything is going according to plan. there is mechanism in place of process and so on that we've discussed sort of thing. but for me, what is interesting and why we've been focusing so much. i bought it while the rest of the guys, of course, is still funding and licking it's ones. it's because we are showing what the alternative is for me. this is the other side of the darkness that has to be formed in or what guys on somewhat is right over the past 50 days the. the alternative so that the substitute is happy. people in his red, happier people in palestine meeting their loved ones, trying to put their lives back together in peace, but active as a, as it is free of environment, free of fear. so i think it's important for us to look at this regardless of how it
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short and how complicated, but to see it as possible. what is possible, and why in think this war is so important because this is the alternative for it is, is rain is beating the loved ones i'm producing has to be things i loved ones and perhaps opening the way for a serious solution to this issue ending the occupation ending the siege of gaza and really for especially it is a by this thing is to be able to live free of fear. you know, i'm not too sure what it is that we're reporting because we're in the moment. so i don't know if right now we're telling the story of something that will end up being very short lived, 4 days, east fire and on day 5, fighting fighting was it was pretty much as it was before the ceasefire. or if we are perhaps at the beginning of something much bigger, which is what the guitar mediators hope, it's going to be momentum. we hear a lot the word momentum, right? build on day one, build on day 2 so that you can get to day 567,
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and something longer term in terms of ceasefire. well, i tell you, i think to be reasonable to be realistic is under the circumstances. the logic cause continue with the logic of a bit to put the truancy towards prolonging the process would be through the exchange of all the civilians in the hands of of us. so that scandal, the civilians and pro today and think we, we would probably be more or less get to the limit as to where this very particular process has been negotiated. could go that far. i think when it gets to the issue, the soldiers, these various soldiers, it would get far more complicated. it for a problem. it is a different kind of process. so there is momentum and that moment them indeed could go beyond 4 days. but i am not optimistic that it would go far beyond that unless
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it's all the negotiated. now, as we've been saying throughout the last few days, the idea that this opening, this pilot is possible and the idea that these really military now just like the american administration could stop reconsidering. it's 40 of continuing the war. then maybe maybe, you know, with one could be helpful without necessarily being optimistic. that something could in fact happen. but the reality on the ground is the thing is right, you can't quite bring yourself to believe it. no, because that's why i'm saying, i'm not optimistic, but i am hopeful. i am not on domestic, but i'm hopeful i'm not mistaken because i've been listening to these various day in and day out. they are adamant on waging this war to achieve their objectives, which is the freezing time as an occupying garza short of that. they think this
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would be the ultimate defeat for them. the military and political establishment. this military and political establishment is it was a 0 senior political analyst, my one to shower. thank you very much. well, before we take a short break, let's try and recap what we found out at this crucial hour in the ceasefire deal. it's almost 5 pm. you're watching the live footage of the roof of border crossing. that's the crossing between a southern gaza and egypt. and that is where the 13 captives held by home us a long we have found with 12 tie nationals either will already have been taken by the red cross to then be handed over. certainly in the case of the captives to is really authorities where helicopters are standing by to then take them to is real, where they will ultimately be reunited with their with their relatives. that is the
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story as it stands right now. the next chapter will be 39 palestinian prisoners to be released from is really jails has not happened yet. the as these really war on guns that escalates out his ears, correspondence are on the ground. once it is impossible for civil defense teams to come to this part of the refuge account that was due car rushing to the hospital. he is really military is pushing deeper into jobs. i didn't know fed option just to evacuate to the southern areas which cause it to be also a very risky journey. both diplomats wait for a breakthrough compartment thing guys. a continue and the families waiting for the return of the relative people are really worried right now that they are facing collective punishment. i'm only going to continue with and it just depends on $20.00 on counting the cost, as well as the war on dollars that has all kinds of businesses time the economy
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of joint. and let's discover a better world expo 2023. the hello, and the bulk of this has been use our life from the coming up in the next 60 minutes. families of authorities taken kind of to if i have my last month to wait that release as part of a ceasefire due in gaza. and now hand is to the red cross. the 1st group of palestinian women and children to be freed from prison under the seas. 5 deal of transfer the heads of the exchange.
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