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brand new episodes of the stream on how to 0. it's been 7 weeks since israel began . it's been barred, made of the gaza strip, leaving more than $10000.00, including thousands of children with violence but, and just starting october. it spans a 75 year history from the creation of the state. it is really 1948 in this week's upfront. we'll take a look at this history and the crucial context that needed to better understand what's happening today. the. the state of israel was established in 1948 when at least 750000 palestinians were forced from their homes. many of them by sign is malicious and what became known as the neck or catastrophe. 75 years later as israel's war on dies, a rate is on the palestinian struggle for self determination continues. so how does this history inform the current moment? to answer that question will speak to most staff about what day he is co founder of
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the palestinian national initiative. a political party in the occupied westbank, a party that is not affiliated with neither one nor from this. the academy also enjoys that. she is a physician and author, and her latest book is titled one state, the only democratic future for palestine. israel, i wanna thank you both for joining me on upfront. and i'm going to start with you because you were born in jerusalem and you were in fact, among the more than 750000 palestinians were forced to leave their homes. can you talk about this time what you've experienced, having to leave your home and also what happened to your family? a yeah, indeed, i was born in palestine before 1948 and before the next. but now i was a child when we were forced out of jerusalem. what i, what i do, remember that time was that it was a real tara, of the us fia everywhere. nobody's sure if
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we could make it from the, the, the part of jerusalem. we lived in which was full of his honest, snipers and militias. and it's very important, i think, to remind people that the time that that happened did 1948 is really no one amongst the palestinians who uh, either forced out or fled. no palestinian actually believed that we'd never be allowed back. so that was the 2nd, the other side of the neck by 1st the force displacement 2nd z and the reality of not being allowed to return so that we were forced into exile and playing all cage. my family, you could say was a bit lucky of the most. we didn't end up in a refugee camp. we ended up in england instead, because my father got
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a job here in london. and so it's a, it's a terrible thing to happen. it's a terrible thing to do to a people just force them from their homes, forced them to go out of the country and try and find some kind of lives for themselves. as matt, i always remember my mother would say to us and wouldn't be. but you know, when you became clear, we had to buy some stuff for the house like a fridge or get simple for heating. and my mother would say, no, no, we're not staying. and this idea remain present. and for i would say, may be up to 5 years before it finally sank in that nobody was coming to the rescue and we were not going to be allowed to go home with staff. it's now been 75 years since increasing israel. 75 years that palestinians had been living in exile,
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holding onto the keys of their former homes, like the one you symbolically have one, your jacket, lapel and 75 years of failed negotiations. israel continues to build settlements in the west bank while blockading and now bombarding gaza, looking at the history of this occupation. most stuff a has anything changed to? yes, things changed to the worse. i knew better. so in my whole leg's that to i did, it gives the periods of the american bar, but of course i knew everything about it, but i never thought in my whole life that we'll see another matter again. or that the people who would be forced to be ethnically cleansed. one more time. eh, i thought we live now in the most civilized world that did as a privilege of international law and always been receiving all this information from the west about respect of human rights and democracy and all of that list. and
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we believed that. but i must admit it was wrong because that he added to today is that another clip cleansing is taking place and gather another act of mecca. but i know that catastrophe that we are attacked by the most advanced banks of the west, and the disaster is funded fine. in 1270. these have been, it is from the simple records to complete t. you're talking about more less than $15000.00 people come up to now including almost $7000.00 children and more than 122950000 people injured. that's about 2 percent of the population. those guys are, if that has happened in our country, likely united states, you would be talking about 6000000 people injured or killed in this done 6 weeks. so yes, life on the patient has been harder. but because of 1967 i was, you know,
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is there and ok by just bank and gaza. and since then we've been living on the most of the little corporation. busy my, i don't live, i spent it on that. is there a new patient? my father lived on dental condition. i. i'm looking a little too patient. my daughter doesn't live in a dental corporation. it's one generation after the other, deprived of all the rights, deprived to fall under basic human rights. and it goes on and even getting worse because now people in the west bank are soft item that we could see also acts of ethnic cleansing here. since the settlers who are now 750000 people in the west bank, and i'm only due to the rising color studios, evicting up to this moment, 75 communities from the land and the was back. so you can imagine the live and they'll see it and worry that people have that as not just occupation, but also as another potential for another catastrophe. i know that back,
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but i know that will kill another another. it's nick. lindsey knows that the state of israel was pushed forward by the zionist movement, which emerged in the late 18 hundreds and evolved to become a nation building project in palestine with of course, the support of european countries you call design is project quote unworkable. namely, to set up an ethnically defined jewish only collective existing on a land belonging to another people and to their exclusion. however, zion is posit that the jewish people have a right to self determination and they have a right to statehood. is it necessary to even frame self determination in those terms, to frame it through the lens of, of a nation state as well? no. the only reason that israel exists number one and is maintained through the state. number 2 is entirely to do with western support. if you think
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about it at the, the, the aim was to take somebody else's country, expelled those people, thus creating space for a new set of people who would use coming from different boxes above and declare that place a state for jews at these immigrants. so they're coming foreigners, so they're coming from all over the world in a, in a way, in which the, the, the only way that the states like that could have been created was by violence. now that violence and the explosions, it, it, it possesses dated. what's going to make an image immediately of the whole region? so that's a very bad mistake to begin with. secondly, the only way such a state could survive because in the normal course of things you see when people do that in a particular area, they are rejected. they're rejected by their neighbors,
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and they have to make doing whatever they can. and the adventures tend to leave because doesn't, well, the only way that israel works is with, in, in and then thing and persistent out side support allow me to push back for a moment. is that because what design his argument would be is 2 things. one that they will already vulnerable globally as a minority, they have been subjected to programs, they've been subjected to violence. and so they had to develop the state for safety and they needed the support of the west in order to make that happen. and they would say the reason why it there is because they haven't, and sessional tie that there's a long standing in during jewish presence in historic palestine. and therefore, it's not an arbitrary choice but to the place where they're suppose to be. when you say that, well, i tell you what, i say. it was new, there was never an objection to the jews. there was no objection to people coming in to palestine in search of refuge in search of some where,
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where they could be free for persecution. that's not the problem. that was never the problem. the problem was that they not only for refuge as the claim, but they actually wanted to take the place over and they wanted to exclude the people who actually origin live. that water is going to be believe their ancestral ties look to that particular uh, tilt of land does not entitle them to kick out the people living there a at that moment and did not impactful them to set themselves up in the place of the people who live that, that's the problem. most definitely bring you in and you do that, then you will have to respond to that as well. yes, when we have to see the same situation here it is as follows. festival. does this project is about a set level. cologne is, it says
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a lot of colonial project when habits and came up with the idea that there's use have to be here to establish a state and by the star. and the, there's always community in us to go center negation to turn interesting story to display, to, to, to, to check the situation and punish die. and they came back, you sent to people and when they came back, they told them something very interesting. they said, you know, the price is beautiful, but she's already made it, meaning that our people to do this. but the whole desire on this project was based on a very flawless notion of land without people for people without gland. and of course there is there any, the jewish people have stuff that drastically because of the coast, it was the most terrible crime they also suffered from the programs impression this i found it to them on to submit as a menu it up. but none of that was practiced by the listings,
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but this thing is what the response of it for such quite a bit behavior. on the contrary, as i said, but this thing is i enjoyed the boy lived together and had of money, i know destitution. but the problem started, when does i am? this movement appeared and they said to other students, this is not do a lot and you have to get out of field. when is there any was established? when, when, when bundled a declination which gave the foundation for this establishment was declared, they punished simians being the 90 percent of the population here on the 98 percent of the land and the jewish community, which was the main. what did the 10 percent on 22 percent of that is that was established by listing as were deprived from that land. and now what the remains of them. and this will cost as low is on the 3.5 percent and that is twin. the is there any establishment? so this idea of grabbing the land,
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some of those and then forcing them out. bye bye bye bye. sure thing to them. i'm killing them, is the problem. and today, and this can repeat again. the solution is need that to accept 2 state solution, which by this thing is accepted until the end. and although it wasn't fed because they would accept to investigate and less than half of what they might technician said they should have. elizabeth doesn't accept the the prostate solution and all the palestinians to accept that as an independent. so the other solution would be one democratic state. it would, we would live in equality, but they don't want to stand. and they don't one democratic states. what do they want? they want s mcclin's ingles by the students. and that is the policy of this government, which has specialist in it like smart, a choices which will defend that was the bank would settlements on such lives so that the studios would lose any hope of having the state on their own. and then
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they would have one of 3 options either to immigrate which is if mcclin's in order to accept a life of subjugation to is there it is which is apartheid or die. that is the problem. definitely. i've spoken to not because we live. i refuse to live together with jewish people in one land, in one democratic system. it has been insisted especially after passing vegetable and visiting the connection of your state law, which says that that i a sense that the munition and edits is that i mean in all of the palestine is exclusive for jewish people. that is the problem racism here. the choice of racism is the problem that is preventing these and preventing a solution. and this event that the stuff i just talked about different solutions, one state to state. well, you just read a book titled, one state, the only democratic future for palestine, israel, and you have rejected the idea of a 2 state solution as a realistic one. why is
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a 2 state solution unrealistic in your estimation? well, the 2 state solution is impossible for 2 very important reasons. first of all, the just strictly if you look at the map, you will see that the area we should form the palestinian state is bookmarked by is randy supplements until and unless the western states or those people who support the 2 state solution come forward and say those settlements will be removed, therefore releasing a viable territory for the pallets and touchton and state. unless that happens, we cannot talk about a palestinian state because there's no territory on which to place it one to in terms of the justice and defend this list. who should like this? what the 2 state solution proposes is that full fits of the land of palestine
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should remain with this row. and one 5th, 20 percent 22 percent should go to the palestinian state. now the palestinian people as well stuff of quite frankly, points out over the, in the area between the, the, the, the, see the river and the see are already in the majority is 7500000 as opposed to 7000000. so they're already slightly more than half. they're all of the palestinians. people like me in exile, 5 to 6000000 palestinian refugees living in new in camps. now those are also they also have right. they also have the right to live in their own state, but it can be done in a 5th of the original data set. so in terms of equity, justice and logistics, it smells a possible solution. so we really must stop talking about it because it's been used
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as a so perfect and then the septic in which you know, to lot of people in to believe that something is being done or something will be done for the palestinians. don't worry. there will be 2 states and he's going to be fine, except that it's not happening and it's on think the full, where are we going with this? that's was the, the question in my book. what, what, what, what is the end of this? to the end of it, it seems to me to be very clear, we've got the 2 communities living in that area between the refund to see the jewish is really is palestinian arabs and what more sensible and logical and to me and, and fare then to for them to all live together in a quote, citizenship in one state, which represents them fairly. that is
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a democratic state in the states like that, all the palestinians who were expelled due to the creation of israel and who lived in the event that an event that a political non exile is yvette. not a political 9 starter as well. no is rarely is going to accept that because they would argue with the demographic destruction, and that is the destruction of the jewish state, which the very premise of israel is that a political 9 starter. as a practical matter, of course you would say that of course you would say that everybody would say that, but i'm putting it to you and i put it in the book. very, very clear. yeah. i think that 1st of all, there is this idea. do you do mean you personally, obviously, but do people support the idea of these 2 communities living together in equality in a democracy? that's the 1st question. and the 2nd question is, how are we going to get that? so in
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a way what happens is one starts to talk about this and immediately the 2nd question is thrown in one's face. how's it going to happen? is way is willing to accept it, etc. let's just pause for a moment lipstick. the idea in itself isn't that the natural and point to this old tragedy? isn't it the natural and point? the opposite is, of course, yes it is. so the only question we need to ask is how do we get that at the trajectory that is read is bent on now is a complete that, and that's that object rate of, of maintaining its presence by force of it trying to track the palestinians are trying to kill them, trying to destroy their lives. that is a trajectory which has to come to an end before you to go. i have just one more question for you. it does it appear that the international community is raining, these really government in or these really military in uh,
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what will happen if israel is successful in its attempt to completely destroy mass and also what will the future of the region be that they'll start with you take a look, 1st of all this it is, and this is an assumption now which i don't think we're entitled to make, which is that isabel might destroy how mass. now, i'm not saying that the of, of any, a partisan reason, a tool i'm afraid the, at the record so far is nothing cartridge ink for israel in terms of its victory over how much. however, this, that's to the question remains at what is actually going to how, how is this going to play out? what is going to happen? now, i was out on to you directly. i tell you what i really do want to say it's that there are certain things that the he doesn't here in, in,
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in the discussions always about israel, palestine about this conflict. first that the palestinians have been fighting and are still fighting. not just israel. they're fighting israel and the whole of the western world that is deeply unfair each be on the capacity of a new one group, let alone a small people to fight so many photos. number one, number 2, there is a consensus in the west on the necessity, the, on the essential nature of maintaining israel in the sort of position that it is in know, in other words, an israel, which supremacist, which is dominant, which smites it's. and him is a drop of a hat that is a consensus in the west on maintaining this kind of israel. why?
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what does that mean? what does that say about you? what, what is it that it takes? that is what is doing for these western states that the call and get in any other way except to this extreme cruelty against an innocent people, the palestinian people, the time has come to talk about all this out into the open stuff. but unfortunately, nobody looks at the fact that this is conducting don't have to put those on to them on an fence and, and, and compared to mobile. that looks at the fact that it's more money. but as soon as i can, i'm mobile. that looks at the fact that is there any about to conduct the worst kind of catastrophe, even worse than what happened to 1948. and this 10 foot continued to support visitor and i need to understand what makes a country legs are united states of america or britain. well the country,
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but if you will cease fire by which low let me tell you i attempt to the conclusion that those people missed criminal mind that the mindset that allowed the whole coast against jewish peoples almost had it been the crime. i guess jewish people the same mindset that allowed persecution of jewish people in the form of anti semitism because they would weak. it's the same sip of mind, the same mindset that there's a lot of them now. i've got tested feet and another heard of course sort of up in the stands. it's the same kind of thinking. and that's what's not to be allowed. and that has to stop. that's has to stop and, and the way to achieve that is immediate use for up to date and gaza. image stopping of this is what are the templates from committing their crimes against palestinians in the west bank and says that it goes to the t i r many was what the said you want to step solution. you'll have to take out all the set of notes from
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the west bank. otherwise they've come out to be a solution, cannot be posted solution. you don't want to state solution. let's have one state solution. but to say that we use the stands will ever accept to be immigrants are game to on up to, to live. i know the best to say again, or live under systems oppression on top of side and be slaves of occupation, not, not. but i, this was never happened, we will never accept the stuff to start getting for our freedom. so what i, what dignity until it all right. all right, that's all we have time for most the far as i thank you both so much for joining me . everyone that is our show, a 1st will be back next week, the as the situation in gaza escalates, we bring you expertise and analysis what the world is allowing these really wanting to do not only have the 2 children,
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but now they are going to kill the patients in hospital the people that suffer from children. so now people are starving, the whole system is collapsing. we thought was broken up that stay with us for the latest developments on tuesday and coveted beyond well taken without hesitation for them died for power that finds out while we live here we make the rule, not them, they find an enemy and then they try and scare the people with that and the people in power, investigate, explodes, this and questions they use them to be just of our around because now to sierra
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rivers normally float into the ocean, the trout has weakened, the mighty mississippi so much as salt water from the gulf of mexico has creeped more than 100 kilometers up stream. this bar is essentially a floating level that brings fresh water capture from the river to the side where the river water is already too salting pipes, transfer water from the barge to a water treatment plant were able to provide up to 2 and a half 1000000 gallons a day of river water for them to actually treat and be able to actually send out to all the very residents have a nice down river of new orleans, restaurant owner, byron. the rid of it isn't convinced he said his water has tasted salty for months . ultimate, the rain is the only thing that will flush the soul back to see until then people are left to make due and pray for the drought to
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the palestinian prisoners re unites with their families. 139 women and children are freed from hispanic jails under the cease fire deal reached between israel and hums . the mothers.

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