the, the press join us and let's discover a better world expo 2023. the the other the good to have you with us on joe. now this is the news out live from doha, coming up in the next 60 minutes. israel is set to release the 2nd group of palestinian prisoners under a cease 5 deal with hamas, which is due to a free around the teen. these really captives from casa, a trickles into the strip prompting long pews for basic provisions. outside the distribution centers. a glimpse of normal life palestinians and southern guns will

take full advantage of before they cease 5 between a mouse and israel. and on the day to cease by shocking images of the state of destruction across the cause of the wood at 1500. as g m t 5 pm in gauze on the 2nd day of these rarely almost these 5 and it appears to be holding a new exchange of prisoners is expected shortly. the plan is to release at least $39.00 palestinian prisoners in his ro and 13 captives being held by how mos in gaza. besides the coordinating the release is with the red cross. on friday, 39, palestinian women and children were released from miss riley giles and 2 dozen civilian captives were free by homos and taken out of garza. 13 of them are these really women and children. to the deal was given the green light to move trucks

carrying humanitarian aid into garza through the roof of border crossing with egypt . honest indians have struggled to survive with shortages. a few, a few more to food and medical supplies. but with the ceasefire holding palestinians in gauze are feeling relatively safe to go out and stock up on food of markets and a distribution centers. these are the 1st days in 7 weeks of the war, where we can see some sign of normality returning. i'm a jump good, isn't occupied at east jerusalem for us mom, and good to see you. given the complexity of events of choreography required to make this exchange happened, it's not surprising that we are running something like an hour late from the time that we've been given to expect this exchange to take place, or at least to begin to take place. what are you hearing about the delay? hello john. well yeah, you're right. this is a, you know, in some sense

a logistical nightmare to try to get all of this accomplished according to the timelines that have been set out. now, we're hearing different things. we went directly to a senior government official with the office of the prime minister to ask what was going on. and if there were any hiccups, if there were any problems that could signal that, perhaps this transfer was not going to be happening today because of the delay that we're now seeing. and this official said to us, we're watching what you're watching. and essentially said, we don't have any reason to be concerned about this. and that as soon as they have details and confirmation that those captives does is really captive, help them guys that have been released, that they will convey that to the media entity is rarely public. and that's on one hand. but we're also starting to see some reports emerge across the media landscape and israel, but perhaps there are logistical difficulties on the ground that are leading to this. but then there's also one is really official who is quoted in one publication

. who's saying that this is because of a delay in getting a trucks into parts of gauze at that? that's why there's been a delay in the transfer of those captives. and that seems to harken back to something we heard earlier, a bit of criticism from a how much official who had suggested that if israel did not get the aid trucks that they had promised into the right parts of garza in time. but there wouldn't be a delay and that would cause a problem in carrying out the transfer. so we're trying to iron out all these details right now. there's another report we've seen on one of the tv stations just in the past few minutes. another is really official saying, look, there's no substantial issue right here. this is a delay for we're going to get through this and that seems to jell. with what we've heard throughout the day, there was this massive expectation that we would start seeing those 13 is really capt is held in gaza, being transferred by the red cross, as was the case 24 hours ago at 4 p. m. local and taken to the board across and were now an hour after that. it hasn't happened,

but we're waiting and we'll get through those details as we have them when it comes to the palestinian prisoners that are expected to be released. what we've heard is they will not be released until those is really captives have been transferred. we are expecting anywhere between $39.00 palestinian prisoners to 40 to palestinian prisoners to be released this evening from is rarely presents. we are told that they will go to all fair prison and the occupied west bank, and then they will be transferred to various different locations. some of the west bank, some in occupied you through. some were told that there will be at least 6 is rid of a palestinian prisoners that will be transferred back to occupied east jerusalem. and we will be trying to reach out to them as we hear more about that in the hours to come join. okay, most so lots of room with but no substantive reports of actual problems. so let's assume for the time being that in the coming minutes. ready or hours this exchange will take place you are on hand. last night on friday night off to the release of 39, posted in prison is to talk to one of them. at least we've had lots of stories about

the conditions in which they reported that they have been held inside palestinian prisons. they will be a repeat of that again this evening. what do we expect to hit remind us of what you were told? so joe, not last night, we found out 2 different neighborhoods and occupied east jerusalem to speak to 2 of the women that had been released. one of them had been held in prison for 8 years and she is only 24 years old. another one, a mighty how she she had been held in detention. she had been in prison for 7 years and we were at her family home late in the evening. there were numerous relatives who hadn't seen her in the years that were coming to greet her. they were very happy to see her again. we spoke to a man a live on the air. she told us that she was so glad to be home, to be able to embrace her relatives for children, to be able to smell them, to smell her home again to be in their embrace as she was explaining just the

tactile pleasure of that moment. after being in prison for so long, but we also got very clearly, very palpably from her relatives and from her is that they were concerned about what's to happen in the days ahead. and the reason for that is because yesterday, before she was released, her home was visited no less than 7 times, 5 really security forces. continuing to warn her relatives that there will be no celebrations tolerated whether it be outside the house or inside the house. and that's something we heard come as a directive from the far right. national security minister, it's more been give you or just a couple of days ago. warning. anybody who is under the jurisdiction of him or his police, but celebrations of any kind, any kind of festivity when it comes to well coming back, comments and you prisoners will not be tolerated. so even though there was this sense of relief and there was a sense of joy, was also this sense of fear and worry. and it really spoke to the condition of so many palestinians who live and occupy the service one who have to contend with this

kind of persecution. and so while they were relieved, they were happy. they were also worried and they said they just don't know what that means for the days to come. we expect it will hear much the same this evening when and if we start speaking to palestinian prisoners were coming back to occupy this route one. but as of this, our, that we do not know when they will be released, jonah. okay, and i will leave it there. i'm sure we will be catching up with you again as events unfold. mama jump dream and talk about history. studies. thanks. is riley's have also been celebrating the return of some of their loved ones. people turned out to cheer as a ministry helicopter, carrying former captives arrive at a hospital in these rail. those release to being held since october. the 7th, too, is riley hospitals that have been treating them say they will appear to be in good health for boys and girls, and a 3 mazda is, and one grandmother arrived to snyder to his medical center. a. we are very

exciting from the 1st moment. we so the kids and the parents, the hogs and the crying, and it was very, very exciting for all the class. a, they're in good condition and they're surrounded by our and working just to and i re team is it puts out a car up is in tel aviv with people of waiting for news about the release of the 1st group of captives uh the 2nd trunks of captives the course of this c spots are yet more mixed emotions in the location where you are anticipation about the release. one worries and wonder. i imagine that the, at the delay and of course knowing that it will just be a limited number of families who will be reunited at this point a

yeah, i will say though that is the out mr. beverage generally a little bit more relaxed than it was this time yesterday where people really had no clue whether it was actually going to happen. and everyone was watching homeless holding the rest, the uh, the release of those houses cognitive and it was a long process for them as they watched on their mobile phones on a couple of small tv screens gap at 10. and then we had a che, when they find the cross spot for the into as well, by the hand today. this is generally more like several reasons. first of all, what you're hearing behind me from one to send us some religious songs related to the end of the day of rest, which is the sabbath. and also the reason why people feel a bit more relaxed is because of the pop from the situation where they come to. you also have a safe spot with his paws and find things. so you're not having. a those rough kids time coming, there's broken up being 5 across by home, us from gaza,

which often targets tyler v. so many people from what we've understood talking to them as many of them and been staying at home most of this time and not really leaving on this. they have to and this is the 1st time and weeks and they've actually come out and families, children from parent mold together, almost as a family they outs, and they're all gathering here. and the reason for that is, is at 7 pm. local time spent about a couple of hours. those are the riley's dante which happens every sign today. but it seems that this is likely to be the biggest 11 of them and the families of some of those health counts have all going to be speaking. we've heard including the grandson of one of the ladies, the grandmothers that was reduced. yes. today. and we've been hearing as well from people saying that there is a sense of hired a yesterday. they were giving out bouquets that include bouquets of hope. but they also said that they want to show everyone that they all united things together and the supports is all here for the families. but that they also want to make and let

people know that this isn't the end, and they will be continuing. holding these riley's into all of those health cops, it will be brought back on site. one of the 13 people released on friday, there must be in that square behind you and. and he's right, the society generally huge and goodness to hear of their well being now to hear if they have good health, but also to hear their stories. all those stories beginning to filter out now. yes, slowly uh, very measured, i would say um, when we had 2 elderly ladies, they were release of 2 weeks ago. i don't remember the exact timeline, but they had held a press conference. one of the ladies spoke about how she was treated well, and it seems that this time uh and i've been showing that invite to the hospital that gave feedback has been to ration. but the video is the page from the night

since yesterday shows the family's being re united states is very emotional. for many, i wonder the videos were the size, the 9 year old boy that was taken across the running down the hallway to greet his father. ne, fox movies, the videos and still a big picture not being said amongst people in terms of going back to the caps since we're hearing the same, we're hearing for team we're hearing delays. we are la, hers is really need your reporting. egyptian sources saying that they may end up being a possible extension. so this as face via but that now we just also seen is writing media saying that it's actually a senior official is being quoted to say that's not very likely to happen. and it wouldn't happen based on font ahead of the end of the 4 days. but if not, didn't happen, it wouldn't be close to, to the end of the 4 days, but they would make it a great spot at going back to that. a few days ago, a couple of days ago actually breaks out there is telling them that they would be

willing to release more and not just women and children. when he, when the spokesman was off. he said that would include men, but it wouldn't include soldiers who bounce into that was that so not the story. and then we, i also have heard from prime minister benjamin netanyahu himself, who said that they would be willing, at some point to look to expand beyond those 4 days. but normally, if both of those health kinds of already, okay, so far up with the crowds, intensity of their anticipating the release of the next transfer of is riley captives. and we go now to the occupied westbank with a bus or avi joins us. he's in ramallah zane. what is the sense where you are about the release anticipation for that release, but also potentially concerns about the delay as well. in the last 24 hours, we seen people go from watching images of these horrifying events in gaza to

seeing palestinian families being re united. we've spoken to family members who's been anticipating, excited about their relatives being released. we've seen celebrations industries where there were protests in places like here in ramallah, in the main square. we were a novelist just earlier yesterday, and we've seen people celebrating the release of detainees, welcoming them home as heroes. just earlier today, we were near offer prison overlooking the prison, anticipating that in a few hours there would be more people being released. and there is no doubt that that delay has begun to disappoint people waiting for their family and friends to get out even regular palestinians who don't know anyone who may be released. we met several children near off for prison who were saying that they were there to watch this historical moment play out to watch this small victory for the palestinian

people as they described it, to play out more and more families began to gather and certainly with some of that, that turns into a public event. and now we're seeing that delayed by several hours. we're still not certain what's happening. there are more questions than answers at this stage. but what we do know is what we can tell you from what we knew earlier today. we're expecting 42 people, that number downgraded to 39, but there are women and children expect it to be released. the families of several people in jerusalem have been informed so there should be something in the works. but people we've been speaking to that work with the prisoners associations. family members say that this is a multi dimensional issue. they will only release palestinian prisoners once is really prisoners have been released and that will only happen once agreed upon a arrives into garza. so there are a lot of moving parts, but what we do know is that people are anticipating more celebrations this evening

. people are adhered up to expect more people to be released to come back home, come into the arms of their loved ones. and those are the kinds of images that have replaced much of the suffering we've seen coming out of gaza in the last several in the last several weeks. meanwhile, side, of course there is no sci fi on the west bank and these road making that perfectly plain as raids continue, or that is correct. the words these fires something people here in the occupied westbank have been talking about very earnestly with regards to what's happening guys. a one man told me that yes, they're out to celebrate the release of these detainees, prisoners who been on fairly, according to them, of duct in by the occupies, they don't see them as normal prisoners. they don't see them as people having had committed criminal offenses. they see them as people who have been abducted by an occupying force. he said it is very important each and every person that's released as a source of happiness and sorrow. but equally each and every person that remains in

detention is a source of sort of apologize. every person who's released as a source of joy, every person who is continuing to be detached and a source of suffering for a family member. but they said what it is also important to recognize is that they are happy to see the ceasefire a few days at 1st carry on, and they hope that it turns into a longer term ceasefire. and as long as the 2 parties use railways and the palestinians are talking, are negotiating all the it using people as bargaining chips. at least they are not fighting. but they say again that this is carrying on in the backdrop of ongoing intensification in violence events here in the occupied westbank that have not stopped. and just today we've seen raids in the south of jeanine, a doctor, a bystander was killed when is really forces open fire during that read the refugee camps. east of novelist saw 5 people detained. and there was a raids on camps near jericho, near romanella. and so far over the course of just this morning into this evening,

a total of 17 people were detained. 17 palestinians newly in the hands of is really forces. so people will see that in point to it, as is real, continuing to detain people, even as these released has happened. something that they say continues to chip away at what the palestinians regard as a permanent freedom, which is not guaranteed so long as the occupation continues to put pressure down on palestinian communities or zane we'll hear from you again as soon as things start moving with space cap to prisoner exchange anticipated in the coming out of the same bus robbie in or i'm all over there with all of this going on inside garza, some palestinians are trying to take advantage of the ceasefire to return to their homes now seems of devastation and the daily struggles continued, there is still a severe shortage of few of water, food and medical supplies out

a hash and reports every day. a special for people in garza who survived the $48.00 days of israel's bombardment. the full day cease fire aroused them to check on what's left of the shot to the lights, which the plot of what we wish for eternal peace. not just for days because people have gone through too many pains and there is still suffering. when we came back, we found out all the houses had been destroyed, but that the brother pitch attempt in front of my home then living somewhere else, i hope to cease for it can last forever. that's people seize the moment for a brief breath of fresh air trucks. cutting a roll into southern guns are loaded with food feel and medicine. i love it. uh, our difficulties and challenges and not about the number of trucks coming in, but the capacity for receiving the shipments because the humanitarian, colorado has a very limited space,

which significantly restricts the number of passing trucks and personnel. therefore, we request a 2nd humanitarian, colorado, which can double the number of trucks coming in. people in garza have struggled to survive with the shortages of water and all the essential, such as guys and field health sector has nearly collapsed with as well as targeting of hospitals during the days of full when the people are being sent to egypt for treatment on the how should i just go out to do as how some of the coat is in central gaza at the duration refuge account, p met palestinians, just as they return to what's left of the hubs, who not to shut them away. i'm liberties come out to show he'd be in one of the headlines today is homecoming, while as families are returning to areas, they had no access to over the past. 50 days. as you can see, month for do the mess of the large scale destruction as

a result of israel's relentless bombardment. and this is bridge refugee camp, which is in the east of the gaza strip, closer to the occupied territories of the aisle. what do you do to intense uninterrupted, shunning those families were forced to leave to the west. had namely new site that refugee campbell. now they all back to find those homes that have been leveled to the ground and some of the dead buried under the debris. sadly come many are trying to get their hands on the positions they left behind that so i will try and speak to one of the returning residents. the said, i mean i just welcome home. what, what do you obviously on hand, i will let her know to help and that sort of thing. i want to see what i can find from optimum gang, and i will also bake some bread. i collected some wood for the fall since there is there a few into a one model or did you handle that know kind of have you been back before? how did you do the optimal russell? i'm glad you're going to flip a little. yes,

i used to come every now and then despite the ruthless shelling, it was very dangerous. but i have to come back and check on my chicken life story. i'm not afraid. if i'm destined to be killed, i will die. my life is not in the hands of design, this may see the new who then it's been sciatic want to talk to the i've had like letting you risk your life just to prepare some food for your children. the oh was yep. well, i used to come on to the heavy shelling to feed the lights, stuck and go back. we have an a few, but i will bake and click on what via what address. if it carefully bumped the car and what the condition, your home a to as the and he doesn't know what i should, but all time is destroyed. there's nothing remains standing a most of the ducks and chickens. what you find hungry streak don't they said no. it is genocide to these ratings or destroying all homes and killing all people. that is old. it's unprecedented crimes. there's different old on go ahead and you seem to just come back. what if you find and guess what?

say about the negative and just for to me to hit them then honestly i've never imagined the scale of this destruction, not even one percent of the my home was showed. no, i have stuff in damages and it's not even fit to live in anymore. it must be rebuilt all over again, and then we'd rather live in a house with no rose another thing, get humiliated in an over crowded un good happens. we drink single to pretend it's fresh water. what can we do? you know what, let's find out now how things are on the ground in gonzo tonic assume is in on unit for us tonic, i was looking at some live pictures of gaza earlier a lodge. so the boulevard street full of people walking up and down, moving around freely enjoying the freedom to be able to do so. but what struck me was that everybody was going somewhere. everybody was doing something people with carrying things, whether it was basic supplies, bottles of coal, all kinds of canisters of water and fuel food. clearly making the most of the

time that they've got to do so of the yes a generally these scenes could not be previously noticed that due to the usability of an emphasis strikes that really imposed a significant threats on the movements of people. of course, set for areas in the gaza strip. meanwhile, now with this he spied that took place between full spots on the ground. the site. the goal is districts. people started to look for the basic items and needs in order to make a living. and even to help the families to survive. now as to who monitor and aid that had been delivered to the gaza strip, we would partially help to mitigate the debating humanitarian crisis on the ground . people started to generally start to collect the basic items. so some of them to the north of the church, a with that being confronted by the as many as 9 cuz i'm troops who are stationed on post may arose in gaza strip, where a number of palestinians have been killed and others also had been critically

wounded and receiving now treatments on the hospitals of the southern areas of the territory. now the majority of people in gaza strip had a sense of frustration and hope at the same time that the ceasefire, which helped him to reach mostly spies that would bring an end to the flashing and even to the fight on the ground between from us and israel, but people are those people who lost the parents the last, the majority of the family members this, these 51 to one to bring any kind of significant change for the life as the suffering also continues for such families. okay. topic will be speaking, do more as the evening goes on. thanks for that for now to cover as an in con you this on the ground in gaza and we can take you now to the occupied westbank 2 bed 2 . and yet the crossing where the exchange of palestinian prisoners will hold the release of palestinian prisoners under the deal should take place this evening. need to abraham is there for us and what are you hearing on the ground?

neither at the moment about what is about an hour and a half delay from the original anticipated timing. just want to compare the same that we're seeing today with that we've been seeing yesterday around this time. there were hundreds of not thousands of boston is in the street that is leading to prison. palestinians specially the families of prisoners have been waiting for their sons and daughters to be reduced because they had the list of the name of the 13th 9 palestinians who were supposed to be released and indeed were released from here today. there is no list of costs and you say they're being kept in the dark on purpose. this is why you're seeing the streets i'm seeing here of palestinians. we're seeing some journals coming in and you know, now some of the families. ringback even call in june, it is saying, have you heard of anything?

do you know if my son or daughter are going to come up are going to be coming out of prison? we've also heard from the palestinian, afford these minister, the hands of the commission that is responsible for the prisoners. then he said that israel has been tended to release those palestinians who have lesser time left in his way the jail. they were hoping that israel would release the village will have a lot of time who have been in prison for a long time. they say that this is in his way, the way to effect the families to basically release those who didn't have much time on the 7th and see us, you know, we've interviewed someone who told us that he had one month left on his sons in another pile of simeon has, his name has been on the list as one of the 49, because i've already been released that the earlier. so palestinians are saying

that the main goal of all of this is roll wants to prevent palestinians from having a sudden laboratory scene. yes, the prison or is, has been telling us that the sacrifices and the pain that's happened to them after seeing thousands being killed in god is that including at least $6000.00 children. so they considered that release of prisoners a reason to show the palestinians have won that that release would not have happened before the, if it wasn't for the resistance taking is raised the hostages in. so there is a feeling here that the reason why there is no confirmed this is because israel wants to prevent the scenes we've been seeing on fridays all palestinians marching, receiving their sons and daughters, even holding her mouth flags. also, we're not sure that the release is going to happen from here or not. we've been

hearing the p h had of the prisoner's commission saying, you know, there was a proposition to release them in jericho. and that has been a reject to the, by the policy me and a 40 is not sure it's not certain how much numbers of the policy and you know, for the house in the bigger picture of all of this. so all of these details are making people wonder one, the loved ones are going to be the least where from and who indeed made this to that this is presuming not just scenes of celebration, but these by the thirty's, would like to avoid. they won't have enjoyed the media spotlight shown on friday night on those posting and prisoners released and the stories that they were able to tell about the conditions in which they've been held. that's not something that is well, we'll want to see repeatedly if it can possibly avoid. indeed, then we've been hearing difficult stories from palestinian prisoners. one of them

describe the prison as an exile. she was saying that even the basic needs that they used to get before up to for the 7 like floats or like being able to buy woodman products from this small place that is offered to sell plus the new prisoners that became off limits. in addition to that, i've spoken to a palestinian who has been detained and released during view a period of the war. and he says that the only reason he hasn't been detained is because he has of course, just to faces. enough calibration for a palestinian prisoner, he says that he has been have really tortured in prison and not only physically but also mentally. he was speaking about the loud speaker that kept talking and, and, and, and conveying songs of is really national. i'm friends and other is way the song he was saying, the sounds he was hearing from other palestinian that he needs

a special needs. the ones who came from the besieged garza esther paused so on seeing him until this moment. so we've been listening to difficult stories by palestinian prisoners inside this way, the presence of a difficult situation. we're talking about the conditions of protestant in prisoners that has already been difficult before october the 7th. and we're also talking about 6, paula, sidney and prisoners who have died in his way, the jails in that period of time. this is a policy number. i'm palestinians would tell you. it's no coincidence. the all of these policy means have been killed just after october 7th. they believe that there's a magic way of torturing palestinians who are many describe them here . a bypassing is as hostages and is really close to the need to, i mean you so diluted it to that. but there must be a real sense of mixed emotions. on the one hand, of course,

people we want to celebrate the reading of the families and the return of loved ones. put on the other hand, one of the things that struck me on friday evening, listen to people. stories was the number who said look, that we don't really feel celebrate to raise the cost of our lease has been so high in terms of what has happened in gaza. we owe our thanks to them. not necessarily to celebrate. i want to i want to put your questions to the uncle of a palestinian prisoner. he's here. yeah, he's waiting expecting your nice to be released. of course you can speak and are a bit if you could introduce your name 1st and tell us who you're wasting, minutes to some of the

students. and then how do you intend to the view of as of october of your product? and i may use them and usually i can do a lot of that and then that will be the snaps in the test message, i would have it. it tells you how does a who the code was. that is to me, it is on the manual. i to minutes about flush that i'm thinking about 17 years of age funny and he was good. he went to the been saying about the details of his release, excuse me, come on by the story of his detention. come on the inside. look on the, the cover that doesn't sort of so what schedule it to appear before the, the survey for october, the 7th. some of the people that he was standing on that all star vitamins and as a building i'm in front of me. but there's a dimness today,

said emitted save the rubber bullets. why did he wasn't standing on that? it was probably just j. c was supposed be a little bit of why that is saving lives extended 3 nights, however, he was detained and he was subjected to interrogation. for more than 45 days until this day, he has been detained without loss standing right according to that, but the he was supposed to be released today. the list was updated and then we are waiting. we don't know exactly what that he wasn't the amount that is the, i'm not doing it with where he's going to be released from him. that's the one that i have for john. we were told that the sums, but it any sort of model for base and waiting to be lazy. and then as i said, the list was updated by the end of this in a number of times, we don't know exactly whether or not it would be a mind that it is a disease. that's why the family has been a member of that part of the family is waiting. he is a,

his mother is waiting before another prison. and when we are in contact, yes, i would like to ask you is upset. so in know, how does the do believe part of that this is a goals or the door, they simply because we know what exactly was taking place. and guess if he's released today is a good day. i'm going to be a sentiment of joy telling me how do you see or again. so what i need let you put there is no doubt. it is such a joy. however, this is both a complete joy. we are turning over when by what's going on and guys and we are one people, guides are kind of seen and we are kind of seeing and yes, we have that isn't totally dollars to go yours one. we the today for that, we are, i people are 42, we are ready to sacrifice every braces empty. and so for the cold, we will be liberated one day as that is of the sacrifice we are offering to. so

if he is released today, how would you be in this way? prison that can if he's not to the least, we will be sad then, but we are old hopes. we have high hopes of pray to god and might be that he would be the least like many of that, but isn't the end date. and he said most before, we've been listening to similar testimonies from comedies of prisoners who have seen the names of their families be released in the big list. the $300.00 names as part of the data, $150.00, we're supposed to be are or are supposed to be released as part of the deal. and no one knows which date they're going to be released. and so there are names that made it to the list that they're not gonna be released. so policy and for some of these we're saying, you know what? it's okay. it's a good gesture. it shows that the prisoner swap deals are ongoing. so they would have helped holding a hope that many others would be released specifically the ones who have high

sentences on them. and the only chance for them to be these would be through these swaps. okay, need that thanks very much for that need to abraham. in the all god westbank that and let's bring in put a bit of analysis. now i'm not sure he's a professor of security of military studies at the doha institute for graduate studies. good to see you again. oh my look, we don't want to make too much of the fact that there's a delay here. it is a not insignificant delay close to 2 hours. now. it's a fried job process. lots of moving parts incredibly complex, no doubt. and what do you imagine might be going on that one of the sort of things that could be causing a delay like this? so how does it, there are many things this could be causing a delay like this. but the interesting part is, i think, i don't know if, if changing the details of the prisoners or what, what, what the, uh,

another just mentioned right now. and would that cause uh, a, a pause in the process and any good re negotiation. so i can imagine now the, uh, the, the mediators uh whether the guitar or, or the us are very, very busy at the moment. who is trying to make things stand as they are. but on the, on the other end, what is making me a bit more cautiously optimistic is i think, for overall, for both sides this is beneficial. so for the need some, yahoo government, eh, he's sorry, what he's beneficial. the, the, the, the exchange of hostages and prisoners, assuming it's going ahead, assuming it's going ahead. but the 1st part is unofficial. because a, if you need a, when the taking over to civilian hospital does, she fell hospital officer all this spent. and they, you know, in the process of getting over 13000 gallons is not a good victory. it does not look at the optics. maybe it's admitted that he victory

is by taking over the hospital. but it doesn't look good. you know, you turn the civilian hospital into a minute, 3 medic, so that's all the, when the, when is really think, you know, young children of elderly women a, now they are free to go so that, that's a political waiting for a for, for the, you know, government for how much on the other end also the, the, the leaving, the, the, the order of these things, the civilians is, is good for them. the really focusing the number of a of held a is rate is to the, to the soldiers. is it, is it better is good for the right? i mean, the new york success showing is that that, that polls is giving a lot of focus on what is the intent of the level of destruction and gaza. but also in terms of who's getting released from the bus, the inside as well, from the bus to you and prisoners in israel, younger children, so on. yeah. so the, the optics of this is good, i think for both sides in, in a very interesting way. so i think at the top of it,

they would want this to continue. but as you mentioned, it's very fragile. it can, you know, that's think on both, but fundamentally the fact that both sides are giving up, captives and prisoners is a concession by both sides. it is the basis of the negotiation that has succeeded in producing the ceasefire, and it shows a willingness to give something up for a goal, suggesting they may be grounds to move on to the next part. egypt has indicated in the last 24 hours that they've heard from all parties, that there are good signs, positive signals coming out about a possible the, the, to the extension of the cease fire at adding more momentum to the process. a that's a, that's true. as the it will need something major needs to happen, just not just the simple change of names on who's onto this and who's not something the, the big needs to happen before this crap. so this is what may makes me and other

observe is a bit more cautiously optimistic about at least it will hold these 4 days may extend. but again, it takes in, in these conditions where you don't have any real, a peacekeeping force on, on, on the ground where you don't have reading, monitors on the ground with media is very limited to do very specifically like the media is watching from outside in a way, when you have all these conditions then things can really go wrong and it takes only one wrong estimate, you know, a fire on some fight on the so things getting pulled up. so okay, i will talk more. thanks for that. as a more than a 100000 people are back on the streets of london to show solidarity for the palestinian people. demonstrations have been taking place regularly and reduced capital in across the u. k. since the war began the cooling for a cease firewall, asking the government to stop its support for israel pull brennan is joining us

live now from london. bring this up to date with the scene. looks like you're in profile, the square full. that's why you on, on how to solve this graph. another huge 10 by the proponents time campaigners ran out. we can, we can pull in permanency spot in the garage and strip so as to protect and prevent the killings that have been going on since october. the 2nd that the message that the demonstrations are putting forward is the same as before. but they won't go right on until the coming stops on the they believe that it is very pressure. that is both about the currency. so that is enjoyed because it's a lot of attention this time around. those been on the policing as high as under the evenings breathing on friday and they have to pay some place. the pains to say that any races cause, for example, sean sings within sizes,

regulations would be some very rapidly. see that said i've been monitoring the police search and media of the sampling and we've had a crowd in excessive 100000. so far, interest that i'm aware of. so i just, 1st of all, draft so little bit about the proportionality. the police have been handling out leaflets to demonstrations, reminding of of the obligations of the public. telling them that they must be careful of their rights on their black guards. what the status of that kind of police looks like of such a big problem. because again, press ok and sonic easily. just wrapping up on the stage behind me and they said they'll be back and we got to wait until the slot is all. thanks so much for that full brandon in london for us. and we can bring in my one shot and i'll just 0 senior political analyst who is with me in the studio model. and you were looking at those pictures, a $100000.00 people on the streets of london. it's happening week off to week

incentives all over the world. international public opinion is dakota less more and more with the palestinian coals. with these pictures now coming out through the ceasefire, showing more of the destruction showing the destruction of medical facilities the suffering of posting and people. the stories coming out of power steering prisons in the west bank is all of that creates a real moment towards public opinion. that can actually force change. you know, it's happening. it is happening quite fast. the last few days it was pretty slow in the beginning. it was a bit too slow, but clearly it is picking up and it's kind of unrelenting. and governments look the other way than that that could afford but slightly. i mean, if you just heard cameron talking today, the british lord slash problem. uh, ford motor. the 2nd. yeah. uh, i mean these definitely to the tone on the front of english is,

is just changing the part of the bridge. if you hear the uh, the, the kind of almost desperately the way it was using, is it right from the bells and the spanish for minnesota on golf crossing that is also new. the towing is much, much higher than it was before the, the spend is, is i've seen already on, over of the past, you know, 50 some, there are 50 days or so it's that in the beginning, even demonstrations where something like i don't, let's say offense, 2 thirds. a 2nd favorite of is or a 2 thirds in favor of the palestinians or favorite have just this as it was called . now it's more like 5 percent versus 95 percent. so in fact, whatever support is right ahead it's, it's really losing steam. and whatever support the palestinians, or just this as it were, the end of the war ceasefire has been, have a good restaurant and they've been on the rise. and i think that's affecting the mood, it's affecting the modern europe. and when we talk about the united states, you probably heard from our various correspondence. i mean,

now we're talking about the possibility that, that the president biden might be getting a hit in the public opinion and in his own popularity. and that might actually, over spills to the elections. so i think on an on we're seeing a momentum. it is not yet the game changer, but there says the momentum, both to moving thoughts that struck me. and what you just said is in the 1st is we had some cousin by last night too, who was very careful not to issue any criticism of these israel with methics and simply said, i have encouraged them to reduce civilian casualties as they continue the war. he's given them agreed like and on the other hand, you've got these riley government, and my question would be, do they care about international public opinion? because prime minister netanyahu is essentially fighting for his job. well, there's 2 things. i start with a lot that i think nothing else going to lose a job. come with me. i mean,

i've never seen any anyone as unpopular in his present job, especially that sort of being serving what 56 in years as prime minister. then nothing else. apparently no one to us, nothing you one is right except maybe 3 or 4 percent of the population. and clearly he really screwed up with october 7. and prior to that, i think his art of guns, bread stupidity, and he was really stupid throughout this thing. and his attempts the last few days of projecting confidence and reilly in the public opinion and trust to him that he wouldn't bring the captain's back. i think that's not working now, but as far as bite is concerned, look, i mean, there is a factor when it comes to us is where the russians expression, who was by then by then continues to say. or the idea is that he would speak to these various privately, or if there is anything to be said critically and will continue to voice support in public. a lot of the people, me included, did not trust him all the way about this, but clearly was secretary of state. lincoln's is going to come to the area. we're

going to have probably more clarity about what the amount of composition is. and that is the don't want the, the, that it's going to war after the for stay with me. because we've got some breaking news now is really media reports. various is riley, media outlets reporting. the 13 is riley captives at being held by homeless in the gaza. strip have been released now to the international committee of the red cross if correct, that signals the beginning of a sequence process. now in which, as we saw on friday, those captives will be taken by the international red cross to a medical facility check though, but then flown by is riley miller treats across to annette based in the south of israel and eventually finding their way to a see but i believe hospital in tel aviv, we're white confirmation of those reports, but it does appear that the 2nd phase of

a captive release is on the way my one indicating that a 2 hour delay has not necessarily amounted to any major take up in the process. i bring to you what, what i mentioned earlier about egypt suggesting yesterday that it's hearing positive signals from all sides. but they may be willing to continue this process at least for another couple of days to negotiate as a cost will be. one thing to announce that as soon as possible, a sense of momentum buying a little bit more time for some of those moves that you were discussing and the except for 50. so my understanding is that the cut, those are now more intensively involved in discussions that the junctions and the americans. and my understanding is that over the weekend, but somebody that himself is getting uh, personally involved in seeing why this thing going through. of course, the americans want to know how many more americans or do or nationality are being

released or will it be released? and then, and if not all of them, then maybe the 4 days would extend up to $56.00 and so on, so forth. so i think what we're seeing, especially also judging from what you just said. now the breaking news is that the pilots are working the 1st day of the 2nd. they probably we're seeing the process this thing and for an oil a with or machine. now starting to move forward, and i think a lot of the people, including a good segment of the public opinion is read as well as in the united states. would like to see this extended, we'd like to see more captors, more hostages released. we'd like to see more palestinian prisoners released. and clearly there is a case on the part of southern european at this point in time. the majority of the out but the most of the world and i think much of the world would like to see a ceasefire. would like to see the so called humanitarian pauses,

most to be more of a 1030 or to 30 minutes east flight. i think that's the general direction. it's not to the liking of nothing yahoo or his generals. but i think as far as the generals are concerned, they just want a decision either way, right? because, but they don't want to be stuck like they are today. that is, that does not work well for any, any military. so i that they're gonna so called continue with the mission, achieve the objectives, whatever they are at this point, they're becoming more like $53.00, or withdrawal. we'll come back to you. in a moment. we're going to go to sort of high right now, intel have to give us more on that breaking news that we heard. sorry, are you hearing any more on these reports? that 13 is ready to captives have now been handed over to the i say i c r c. yeah. is ready. uh, media is reporting uh, sol says, but nothing has officially been confirmed. what we have seen though, is it,

its also closing addiction means you're saying that they have received a list of 14 names. so really with things 13 and 14. again, know those 2 numbers aren't yet to become funds. and until we actually see those videos, which will likely, if we go by what happened yesterday, how much did release a video showing those how the captive being really nice. now what we know is that they apparently have been now handed over from us to the right cross. we've also. a reports by the media that they are all from one area which is a battery, which is a place where of the attack on the type of 7 half. and one of the places where lots of those were killed. that's where that's where a lot of these people will be from and they will be sent to a different cost. so again, report to the one from yesterday, which was the children's hospital. interestingly, those caps since yesterday. well,

but one from a, not the area and not a southern town, a would just close to miami. so again, still developing story. we have a riley. hey, that's happening. why many expected to come has thousands in fact, and there will be performances behind us while they're also big screens. that will be a following. everyone will be following the situation and we're seeing people walking around on their mobile phones just as we saw yesterday. as people wait to see those captives handed over through rough crossing via egypt to a specialist is right the unit. that's what was said yesterday. they are specialized in these kinds of situations with medical professional health that will check the magically fast its full value in cost over through the border crossing, as we saw yesterday by boss taken to it is really made a tree based and then highly called to, to the hospitals,

we've also been seeing his writing media reporting, but the families of those how comfortable reggie been informed to make the way to i the one hospital or a number of hospitals. but so far with being told that it was just one hosted. so again, this is a moving story so that information is trickling through and nothing is yet confirmed unsolved or just to explain to view is the main picture on our screen beside you. there is a by junior crossing, as it appears, these riley captive release has now taken place. it means of course in train that the palestinian prison, that release will also take place at the back to near crossing in the coming hour or 2, perhaps based on what happened on friday night. immense relief, i imagine where you are. so they would have been some concern about the delay. um yeah, sorry, i just want to uh say that way. oh,

so hearing again now that this thing 13 people, a 13 caps is not 14. so until we officially confirm it, but it seems that has changed once again, the team. uh, going back to your question. um, of course emotions here have been very high. uh, people are saying that uh they now feel a little bit more hurtful than i do. so been reports, it is really nice you earlier saying that that could be potential that you quoting addiction. so say that that could be a potential extension to that c spy, but uh, based on old policies requesting or looking towards that same direction. um, but then now the is really me the outlet then of quotes to the senior official without giving names. thing of the that's likely highly unlikely to be the class or decided on at least 30 this early in the full day pause. and that would probably be something they would discuss closer to the end of the 4. they pause the green box.

we know that how mouse has said that they would be looking to really small cap says there's also reports again just in the last couple of hours saying that they've managed to locate more of those cap says because i'm on top said when the war started on garza, it seems that the caps has been taken to different locations and some of them have been held by islamic jihad. so now they're saying is according to his writing needs, yes, it seems that cost is saying that they have located more 10 to 20 was the number given and that they could potentially then be able to really small. we know how much has said that it was willing to release, not just women and children, but not to reduce costs, but for the mails they said it would not include any of the is riley soldiers. and we also know on the other side, the prime minister benjamin netanyahu said one of the will goals is to bring all of them back and that he would potentially consider extending it for every time. come said they would get an extra day of pores in financing. an extra dates of ceasefire

. so again, all speculative is all up in the butt. well, i can tell you from this square that's become known as cluster square because the families got ahead. and so to that supports, as they've said, they will continue to hold the riley's head assess, and the thousands are expected to attend today with some of those families of those comp, since we'll be speaking lights wrong. okay, so i know we'll be back talking to you as events unfold during the evening. thanks for that. so that might mean site. so kind of in telling me that we can turn back now tomorrow and be sure i'll just hear a senior political analyst who was still with me in the studio by one we were talking just before hearing that breaking news, that the 1313 is ready to capt hoops have not been released setting and train this exchange process. we've been talking about a mentor them towards the cx 5 that is becoming more urgent in the international community as it watches, events unfold as it looks at the destruction in gaza. the enormous number of

civilian deaths and so it's one thing talking about the need for a cease fire. now as urgent as that. sure. happening at the same time needs to be really concrete discussions about what happens next. what happens to result the cycle of alex. so that we don't end up, i think this is the 5th will once again, you know, 2 years down the line looking at the same thing. i tell you, and that's a good speaking. what i see very clearly i see these really is going. busy away a sole occupation of guys, a full destruction of guys out in order to fully defeats him us. that's one said i . the other scenario is the united states and others get involved in a very serious way. and like before, i'm discuss high stakes,

those and you should of this issue that includes everything. the categories really captives, the future of guys, as well as the future of us bank all along the lines of what president by did, has been talking about. what i don't see is anything in the middle. i don't see that an option anymore. could be transitional, like very, very quick within days a weeks. but i don't see that that the practice cool. once again, becoming the sort of a per minute start to school, what i see is these raiders insisting on going ahead and i see public pressure and political pressure, but then got on. we need to wind this thing up and we need to start looking at the day after. what are the solutions to day? for example, you will see i piece in the new york times that you wouldn't have seen before and the new york times discussing why there is more and more. uh, you know, understanding that the palestinians would want the government to that includes both how much.