lemonade, now getting 1500000 registered and documented, i want to leave the country with detailed coverage for vomiting so far as a house is also missing in the silence. any more from around the world. this isn't just about him, it is a robinson. it's about a long term shift into a much more bold, kind of glee, active and dangerous phase. the as a full day spot takes hold in gaza, talk about the 2 state solution is once again reemerging among the international community. so given the level of balance in the past 7 weeks across the occupied territories, is now the time to pursue this paul, to a lost in peace. and what would it take for both sides to secure it? this is inside store, the

airline james pays $47.00 days of strikes on the gaza strip. and then the 15000 palestinians killed 1200 is right. these dead ongoing raids and arrests by these, right? the army and the occupied westbank. and i have to that is really set to tax on published and paid communities is now really the best time to restore the discussion surrounding the elusive to state solution for israel and palestine international coles have begun to go now to pursue this. but what are the red lines for both sides, and what would the return to 1967 borders look like in reality? like saw all these issues with all panel of guess in a moment. but 1st, this report from katya lopez, all the young calls to revive a 2 state solution are re emerging to address the crisis in gaza during the visit to the roof of border crossing in egypt, springs prime minister of federal centers or the european union, which he currently leads to make that happen. i think that the momentum has come

for the international community, especially for the european union member states to recognize the state of palestine . belgium, which next year we'll take over the rotating e u. presidency echoes that call this section of gaza. it's unacceptable. we can not accept that as society is being destroyed. the way it is being just tried repeated attempts for a 2 state solution have failed for decades. there are several issues at play, including israel's legal settlements, land confiscation, and the status of occupied east jerusalem, which would be the capital of any future palestinian state. the changes are notable . this map outlines israeli and palestinian territories in 1967 after the 6 day war . decades later, this is the new territorial outline between 19672022. israel has built

about 300 illegal settlements in the occupied westbank and east jerusalem. violating international law, the us, which is israel strong, the supporter is also back in calls for a 2 state solution. and a recent statement president joe biden said to states for 2 people's is more important now. the never, i think the previous us in ministration say political pushback has continuously block this from happening to people that and how mazda is not a partner for any kind of piece or 2 state solution. but the palestinian authority might one time again, the new leadership in gaza might again be so didn't get to a point where that's possible. 7 weeks into the war on gaza calls for a 2 state solution are growing louder. well beyond the middle east, with supporters insisting that's the best option to ensure security and security for both his release and palestinians, capielo,

pennsylvania for an side story. well let's discuss all this further by bringing a panel of guests and tell of eve, lay out a full, my director general of these ready for ministry on the form is ready. i'm positive to south africa is also part of it is ready to come. paying to advance recognition of a palestinian state by other governments in washington dc for the spanish fellow at the institute for policy studies, an international advisor to jewish voice, full pace, and also understanding the policy and is randy conflict a prime up and in ramallah most stuff up the code to use that country general the policy and national initiative and a full information minister for the policy, you know, authority. thank you. all of us, all of you for joining us today to discuss a 2 state solution. now this is an idea that clearly is a new, it's been around since before the formation of the state of israel with the un palestine partition plan. although that also, in addition to having an arab and jewish state was going to have an international

city for jerusalem, let me start by getting your basic view before we discuss this in, in detail. um, do you think that a 2 state solution is desirable and viable stuff and let's start with you as well. it was desirable and it was viable, but those that are intended. nathan. yeah. and bought a ticket that came to bought it was one going to kind of the possibility of 2 state solution and they managed to do so. busy in 2 ways, 1st of all, he obstructed the only possibility negotiations. on 2nd, the expanded settlements in the occupied or the studio in 33 is specifically in gus, and there was the band to i live and the next step to state solution impossible in the process. they've created one new reality, one apartheid state. reality. the pushing by this thing has to stop to think that

the only alternative to an outside state as one democratic states with equal rights . now and then, you know, there's government good. the 2nd plan with his freshest cut out and his government likes most of the time being the and their goal now is to sort of the demographic problem where the number of palestinians is equal. if not a little bit more than the jewish is, there is on the end of historic by this time, by threatening to impose the ethnic cleansing. he wants to start with gaza evicting 2300000 people out of guys. and this is eddie, on purpose of this horrible attack on guys are, i'm the nice guy and he will be moving to the us bank. this is the exec data to you of to the. okay, if the we're bringing it back in, in a bit more stuff like let's get a loans take of this. do you think it is viable now? 2 state solution. do you think it's desirable given the current circumstances? i certainly think it's desirable. so i have to state the phone,

the my, they don't use it. i always believe this is the best solution to this way. but his junior and one of the is the 6 of october. i was the, those, the, the, the, the street and you saw the bench at the bottom and also be because of the number of settlers. but also because the easily government became in the idea of christian gloat. do they even require shipping agreement and we have a few years ago the doorstep. so who was going around 10 years ago it was v mode. so we were very edition, was we,

we really believe it's the cost of a bar and provide us with the in the east bed. okay, good. okay. well come, we'll come to you again in a minute for this you will take place. well 1st i would say that i think on the question of liability that there is no land left for a palestinian state. whether or not we'd like it. i think it's just not realistic unless we're talking about removing somewhere close to a $100000.00 illegal is right. we settlers on that land, which i don't think is on anyone's agenda. number 2, i think that we have to be clear that the kind of state quote that was being talked about for the palestinians was never really a palestinian state. it would be an entity that left control of its own borders of its own water of its own air space, its electrical grid,

self defense. it was not designed ever, it was never discussed as something that would truly be an equal state with the state of israel. and the 3rd, my only point is, i'm an american. i'm a jewish girl from california. i don't think i have any right to say whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that's for people who live in that land palestinians and israelis to decide. and the notion that my president or me as a taxpayer should have some right to choose, as opposed to saying what we want is a quality. if it's one state the quality for all within the one state. if it's to states, the quality within both states and between both states. but i think as i said, as an analyst, i don't think it's viable any longer because there was simply no land left. ok, let's stuff us my day job. when i'm not hearing though, which i am at the moment is based at the u. n. in new york for out to 0. and i watch the security council meeting that happens every single month on the middle

east. the situation regarding israel and palestine and every single month i listen to all 15 members of the security council. talk a mention a 2 state solution is rather like a mantra, but no one ever talks about the steps to make it happen. do you think the torque now we're hearing, for example, from the, the spanish prime minister in the belgian problem is that, do you think has actually changed or do you think they just saying it? because they have nothing else to say? no that has changed and the change is specifically because the header was understood fast as of the palestinian people, especially in gaza. but all over the palestine have defeated the is it early? nothing you all plan to eliminate the police didn't question and liquidate the to normalization was out of countries as he was planning to. so the listing initial is back on the table. nobody can avoid it. unfortunately,

it has to be sent to us. and what is it or is out of hand before the world starts to see the deals by this time? and then we have the money money. but the way is to look at the problem during the last 30 years. but don't want that back to us, especially the united states of america. i'm just a new to the talk about posted solutions became i typed in of hypocrisy. it became, i pretty sure that they would mention just to avoid dealing with the problem that became just a slogan. but then the only thing, nobody will work with it if anybody really meant that they would have initiated the other sanctions plans. on the other end for the continuing set, the effective it is with all these countries, including the united states of america, admitted laws of violation of international law and admit that it would come the possibility of 2 state solution. so is it ever was allowed to increase the number

of settlers from 121002 more than 750000 today. and they became, i measured a political bar inside visit a, but i'm using such treasures like smoking, which i'm being greed, becoming the actually the governments of the west bank. now, if the old ones, i mean the, the options out of the city that. 1 no other options, either one democratic state with equal rights, which i benefit for everybody, but it was not to be as you wish on the state. it's gonna have to be uh, one democratic state to visit our admin wants to maintain this submission state which says that send to the termination. and it says that i am meaning go to spend this time is for jewish people, only. it has to be fully democratic on fully equal, which means the court and national and civil rights. if that's not what they want and they want to state solution. there are 2 conditions. one, the complete evacuation of onset, let us from the west bank. and 2nd,

negotiations would not be about what would happen, but will be about implementing a particular and the result. which of anybody would agree about which is that at the end of the process is the creation of police damian, steve, the end, or is it a new patient or for it? ok by $33.00 is a 1967 and the board does not for the discussion board. the board does of the 4th of june 1967, including these drawers and then if they score dishes to these control conditions are there, there can be up on this thing in the state. but without these 2 conditions, the talk about states becomes only one way of avoiding the problem. as far along, if i can bring you in on this, you just had mustafah say that up until now the international community, the 2 state solution to become just the slogan. would you agree with that? and do you think that serious right now?

i think there is a difference between the 2014 and today the 2014 a countries and especially the, was the lead including the state spending the countries a really believe the experience of it doesn't mean the, the, the level of pressure on his way, by the most popular and we most of the 2014, well, after the enlisted bureau and the resolution to go above the dollars to raise the state. i think this page,

they really very well. there was some openings. the 1st start, the 1st one that was to this message is to the best of a honest, stocky in january 2015 and the big mileage, the song, change them all eh, in the, in the, what's the world? hello, sloan, the, the, we also the, the, the, the issue. and it was this really, this, your, a wonderful song odyssey to discuss the video that stay part of the way. and i will say this really does live on the stove, the political, the pressure on the issue,

then it was the old, the you've been awesome. kate, the the, the, uh, the pressure these are really the yeah. cool. the situation been prior to be slow in the issue. let me bring the products and all that point because when i sit listening to those un security council meetings, i listen to the 15 people 15 members talk about a 2 sites. so there's no, this is a pilot spinning and delegate, talk about the 2 state solution and you never hear the words coming from and is riley sitting in the security council for literally years. in fact, i tried in the last year to, to address a bus to get other down the is ready and back to the on this i said, do you simple question, does he will government believe in a 2 state solution? he walked off. i mean, is israel doesn't believe in this, does it actually, or did you know? certainly does not believe in it,

but i think this is not something new and come through the stuff it will come through in a 2nd. the stuff up for this please. okay. okay. thank you. i thinks that it's, it's certainly true that the current israeli government has been far more explicit . and it's the rejection of a 2 state solution earlier is rarely governments talked about it talked around it. none of them ever acknowledge the reality is that most of us so clearly laid out a few minutes ago. the notion that there would have to be the removal of all the settlers for the agreement of our current settlers to become palestinian step as to citizens. sorry palestinian citizens with no special privileges, no special protection, no arms against their own government. they would have to be citizens like everyone else, which would make it essentially to equal citizen, equal citizenship into different countries. but no one is talking about that as

a model. the models always included the idea. busy to israel would be the dominant power and what we're hearing now is a much more explicit call for accepting the reality of the is rarely legal system, which so many in the world now identify as in apartheid system. partly because of the laws that have been passed explicit laws that mandate discrimination against non jews. the most recent one, the one that most of our referred to, the nation state law, which is essentially the equivalent in the united states of a constitutional amendment that says explicitly that the right of self determination in the land of israel, meaning all of the land or historic palestine belongs only to jews. that's a very clear understanding of who is to have power and who will have the choice as one is really liter outlined very explicitly. the choice will be either

palestinians leave ethnic cleansing as we're now seeing the effort to force people out. or they will agree to live under the suppression of a dominant population that of jews and jewish, a jewish power over palestinians, or they will die. okay, let me bring the stuff. it was very keen to say something was stuff. let me bring you in. you know, i was going to say something similar actually, no. is there any government to before and even the governmental treats? how could i have been agreed on a ballasting and state on the being talking about some kind of sense of government and go further to the further about the size of the land that would be under this self governing authority about the amount of much of your thoughts as it would be in don't go throwing off, but on is there any governments without exception up to not we didn't see that the government that would i agree with the police to me, an independent state. meaning that the state would have suffered entity would have

control over its borders, would have security control and if it's a space or it's electromagnetic field, etc. and even that, for them, a lot of sense governing a structure that could be called the state or whatever you call it. and by and maybe even that's not then, you know, who did not accept. ok, that's why not then, you know, made it the goal of his life and not only do i agree with the public needs, how could i have been. busy selected by and is it a legs? it's 3 missed, but the can the very idea that police to me i was would have any affordable, self determination. okay. let me, let me for a moment post 1st moment. let me read you a quote. uh, this was when um the issue of sacraments as often as its been the top of the gender, its a quote from the full not un secretary general bank key moon. he said, let me read you. the policies must act and act. now to prevent the 2 state solution from slipping away forever unfolding and implementing dissipation,

2 states living side by side in peace and security office. the only means by which israel could retain its jewish majority and democratic states. as that was in 2016, it was slipping away forever. that was before the trump administration and a massive expansion of sacraments being built. what do you say alone to people who say there's absolutely no way now it's already dead. it's of the pol tight state. how do you dismantle settlements that have more than 7700000 settlers living in them to this day? i was the bean government. so i knew exactly who was the people that i knew exactly why i was assassinated. we want the bus, the, the state and the cost to be in. he's a lot as you know, i think we're the leasing to see this discussion was the way

the of the latest, the others, the newspaper. but we are speaking on the we're speaking of the slow, the might be in the window possibly be this is in the mail is when we come back to the states i yeah, sure. no, the both of the release the, the small all previous discussions, phone and mothers do use they we uh we oh, by the or was, oh this, you know, on the, on the, the, wherever, the way that i know the,

it's easy the way it's been been how familiar a the slow was the key and we agree on the stage when we were in the mama and i thought it was it about 5 or 6 percent it can be made by the way this world is possible. and i say no of us who stayed the slave slave or the office level because we know this well, i agree with. okay, well among those talking about the 2 state, the bottom and most of us to hear about the 2 state solution in reason. now it has been present by and the 2 state solution, but is there any reason palestinians can one day live side by side with a cool measure of freedom and dignity. but it does, i mean it's all very well saying a 2 state solution, but it doesn't matter what you mean by a 2 state solution. we look at the trump administration,

jared cushion that came up with somebody, but some let present the bus that like a swiss cheese. if you look at the you ends definition, it says, phyllis, a vision of 2 states is around the palestine, living side by side in peace and security back bits the same as binding. but on the basis of the pre 1967 lines with jerusalem is the capital of both sites. do you think the us support that bit of the statement? absolutely not. absolutely not. because that implies number one that there would be real sovereignty for a palestinian state. no one is talking ever. not since the madrid conference of 1991 nonsense oswald and not to day, no one in power in western capitals, particularly in my capital, is talking about a truly sovereign palestinian state with control of all the things that make up sovereignty. they're talking about an entity. there was an extraordinary moment on

this show about 2 weeks ago, i was on a, on discussing another aspect of the, of the gaza crisis. and there was someone on it. i've been trying to remember his name, and unfortunately, i don't. but he was a, he's a um, an activist in the democratic party in the us from jewish democrats, a great supporter of israel, and a supporter of a version of the 2 state solution. and he said, of course, the settlements, i agree is something about the settlers as a serious problem in the notion of 2 states. and he said, of course the settlers would have to be removed and israel has shown. and this was the extraordinary thing. he said, israel has shown now in gaza that it could move a 1000000 people in a very short time. so clearly it could do that with the settlers. and unfortunately, it was the last moment of the show and i didn't get the chance to follow up with a question to him. are you saying that you're proposing that israel should be

bombing the 752800000 settlers across the west bank and to link to thousands of them? because that's what it took for israel to force people in gaza to move from the northern part of the gaza strip to the southern part. what's the 1st, what is the problem with this show? we get to the end we, we, we, we, we can't say everything. so i'd like to go through most stuff on the us point mustafah. he's talking about a 2 state solution. the palestinians think the us as an honest broker given it, strong support is around in this world is now killed about 15000 people in garza know that united states administration is not the cannot do that to do it because it has become a box not in the crime and what's going on and does, and that doesn't make it to capable of being the data. and what do we need to something different. but then the response to what was said about this web and on

other projects like a you'll see bill in project of configuration. they're all designed to accommodate set them intending to accommodate an illegal action of seconds. what is done for the allies and don't understand the that's the what they have done them does the now the bad, the act of ethnic cleansing, of 1500000 people from the notes on some sort of guys brought this totally question it's through. it's which is that is that it was created as a set of colonial project. it's significantly cleansing 70 percent of the palestinian peoples. that message that we get now as old palestinians in the west bank. the does and even inside the in itself, is that these guys, one of the $11.00 solution which is do is click click lens, all of us. and we will not allow that. and we will start getting for our freedom and we will get the free them. they don't want to stay, it's fine,

but they will not cheap to us with the applause of something that is the nothing but a subset of the structure for it. is there any occupation with stuff that thank you very much, and thanks to will, i'll guess i'll lay out for the spanish. i'm a stuff about gucci out. is there a continues to cover the war and garza, i'm the region around the clock for more analysis and context. i'd recommend going to our website, which is 0. don't com. and if you have use about all of this, we'd like you to express them, go to a facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story on x, the one we use the cold twitter, you'll find us at ha. and so i story from the james space and the team here. and so please stay safe, bye bye for now the what you're looking at, this is one of the breach points through which i must collect just came into his

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