the on the go and meet tonight out is there is only move i left, is that the, this is where we, the sex analyze from out is there is a mobile app available in your favorites apps to just set for it and type download the new app from out to 0, new at your fingertips the as a full day spot takes holden garza talk of a 2 state solution is once again re emerging among the international community for given the level of violence in the past 7 weeks across the occupied territories is now the time to pursue this, paul, to a lost in peace. and what would it take for both sides to secure it? this is inside store, the

airline chains. phase $47.00 days of strikes on the gaza strip. and then the 15000 palestinians killed 1200 is right. these dead ongoing raids and arrests by these, right? the army and the occupied westbank. and i have to that is riley settler tax on published and paid communities is now really the best time to restore the discussion surrounding the elusive to state solution for israel and palestine international coles have begun to go now to pursue this. but what are the red lines for both sides, and what would the return to 1967 borders look like in reality? we'll explore all these issues without panel of guess in a moment. but 1st, this report from katya lopez, all the young calls to revive a 2 state solution are re emerging to address the crisis in gaza during the visit to the roof of border crossing in egypt, springs prime minister of federal centers or the european union, which he currently leads to make that happen. i think that the momentum has come

for the international community, especially for the european union member states to recognize the state of palestine, belgium, which next year we'll take over the rotating e u. presidency echoes that call in this direction of gaza. it's unacceptable. we can not accept that as society is being destroyed. the way it is being just tried repeated attempts for a 2 state solution have failed for decades. there are several issues at play including israel's legal settlements, lance confiscation, and the status of occupied east jerusalem, which would be the capital of any future palestinian state. the changes are notable . this map outlines israeli and palestinian territories in 1967 after the 6 day war . decades later, this is the new territorial outline between 19672022. israel has built

about 300 illegal settlements in the occupied westbank and east jerusalem. violating international law, the us, which is israel strong, the supporter is also backing calls for a 2 state solution. and a recent statement president joe biden said to states for 2 people's is more important now. the never, i think the previous us and ministration, say political push back has continuously block this from happening to people that and how mazda is not a partner for any kind of piece or 2 state solution. but the palestinian authority might one time again, the new leadership in gaza might again be so didn't get to a point where that's possible. 7 weeks into the war on gaza calls for a 2 state solution are growing louder. well beyond the middle east, with supporters insisting that's the best option to ensure security and security for both his release and palestinians, capielo, pennsylvania,

for insights story well, let's discuss all this further by bringing a panel of guests and tell of eve, lay out a former director general of these ready for a ministry on the form is ready and passive to south africa is also part of it is ready to come. paying to advance recognition of a palestinian state by other governments in washington dc for the spanish fellow at the institute for policy studies and international adviser to jewish voice for peace and all for all understanding the policy and is randy conflict a prime up and, and romano most stuff up a co, te set country general of the policy and national initiative and a former information minister for the policy. you know, sorry, thank you. all of us, all of you for joining us today to discuss a 2 state solution. now this is an idea that clearly is a new, it's been around since before the formation of the state of israel with the un palestine partition plan. although that also, in addition to having an arab and jewish state was gonna have an international city

for jerusalem. let me start by getting your basic view before we discussed this in, in detail. um, do you think that a 2 state solution is desirable and viable stuff? let's start with you as well. it was desirable and it was viable, but those that are intended. nothing. yeah, in particular came to bob water was one going to kill the possibility of 2 state solution and they managed to do so. busy in 2 ways, 1st of all, and he obstructed the only possibility negotiations on 2nd, the expanded supplements in the queue by listing interpreters specifically in guys in the west bank to i live in that mix the 2 state solution and possible in the process they've created one new reality, one apartheid state reality. uh, bushings by listing us to start to think that the only alternative to an outside

state as one democratic state to the quote right now. and then, you know, is government good? the 2nd plan, which is the freshest cut out and has government likes most of the time being the and their goal now is to some of the demographic problems with the number of palestinians is equal. if not a little bit more than jewish is there it is. on the end of historic ballast time by trying to impose ethnic cleansing, he wants to start with gaza evicting 2300000 people out those guys and this is eddie on purpose of this horrible attack on guys are the names dry and he will be moving to the us bank, this is the exact, the added to your, to the okay for the nearby. who brings you back in, in a bit more stuff like let's get a loans take of this. do you think it is viable now 2 state solution. do you think it's desirable, given the current circumstances? i certainly think it's desirable. so i have to state the phone

the my they don't use it. i always believe this is the best solution to that he's worried about his junior and one of the is the 6th of october. i was the those the, the, the stream you saw the in the, in the number of settlers. but also because the easily government became the idea officially got the idea that even though require, we should wait a minute and we have a few years ago the doorstep. so who was going around 30 years ago, it was v mode. so with a very edition was we,

we really believe it's the possibility, but anyway, the last week, the page and the idea of these bed. okay, good. okay, well come, we'll come to you again in a minute for this you will take place. well 1st i would say that i think on the question of liability that there is no land left for a palestinian state. whether or not we'd like it. i think it's just not realistic unless we're talking about removing somewhere close to a $100000.00 illegal is right. we settlers on that land, which i don't think is on anyone's agenda. number 2, i think that we have to be clear that the kind of state quote that was being talked about for the palestinians was never really a palestinian state. it would be an entity that left control of its own borders of its own water of its own air space, its electrical grid,

self defense. it was not designed ever, it was never discussed as something that would truly be an equal state with the state of israel. and the 3rd, my only point is, i'm an american. i'm a jewish girl from california. i don't think i have any right to say whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that's for people who live in that land palestinians and israelis to decide. and the notion that my president, for me as a taxpayer should have some right to choose, as opposed to saying what we want is a quality. if it's one state the quality for all within the one state. if it's 2 states, the quality within both states and between both states. but i think as i said, as an analyst, i don't think it's viable any longer because there is simply no land left or ok. let's stuff us my day job. when i'm not hearing though, which i am at the moment is based at the u. n. in new york for out to 0. and i watch the security council meeting that happens every single month on the middle

east. the situation regarding israel and palestine and every single month i listen to all 15 members of the security council. talk a mention a 2 state solution is rather like a mantra, but no one ever talks about the steps to make it happen. do you think the toe now we're hearing, for example, from the, the spanish prime minister in the belgian problem is that, do you think is actually changed or do you think that just saying it because they have nothing else to say? no that has changed and the change is specifically because the hetero isn't just that fast as of the palestinian people, especially in gaza. but all over the palestine have defeated the is it early? nothing. yeah, i'll plan to eliminate the police didn't question and liquidate the total normalization was that up countries as he was planning to. so the police thing, the initial is back on the table. nobody can avoid it. unfortunately,

it has to be sent to us and what is it and is out of hand before the steps to see the deals published by the. busy way of money, money, but the other way is to look at the problem during the last 30 years. but don't want that back to us, especially the united states of america. and we're still new to the talk about 2 state solution became i'd like to know if hipaa could. i see it became my previous year and that they would mention just to avoid dealing with the problem that became just a slogan. but the thing, nobody will work with it if anybody really meant that they would have initiated the sanctions plans. on the other end for the continuing supplement activities, which all of these countries, including the united states of america, admitted laws of violation of international and admitted that would cause the possibility of 2 state solution. so is there ever was allowed to increase the

number of settlers from 121002 more than 750000 today. and they became, i measured the political bar inside is. busy but i'm using such treasures like smoking, which i'm being greed, becoming the actually the government as of the west bank. now, if the old ones, i mean the, the options out of the city that i have no other options. either one democratic state with equal rights, which i benefit for everybody, but it was not to be as you wish on the state. it's gonna have to be uh, one democratic state to visit our admin wants to maintain this submission state which says that send to the termination. and it says that i am meaning go to spend this time is for jewish people, only. it has to be fully democratic on fully equal, which means the court and national and civil rights. if that's not what they want and they want to state solution. there are 2 conditions. one complete evacuation of onset, let us from the west bank. and 2nd,

negotiations would not be about what would happen, but will be about implementing a particular and the result which everybody would agree about, which is that at the end of the process is the creation of police damian, steve, the end, or is it a new patient or for it, ok by 30. so there's a 1967 and the board does not for the discussion board. the board does of the 4th of june 1967, including these drawers and then if they score dishes to these control conditions are there, there can be up on this thing in the state. but without these 2 conditions, the talk about states becomes only one way of avoiding the problem. as far along along, if i can bring you in on this, you just had mustafah say that up until now the international community, the 2 state solution to become just the slogan. would you agree with that? and do you think that serious right now?

i think there is a difference between the 2014 and today the 2014 a countries and especially the was the lead including the state spending the countries a really believe the experience of it doesn't mean the, the, the level of pressure on his way, by the end i will spot the live in the way most of the, for the well after the enlisted euro and the resolution to go above the dollars. to wrap the state, i did the stage, they really, they was,

it was some openings. the 1st stop, the 1st one will that will of the messages to the best of the policies. start in january 2015 and the, the sol, change them all eh, in the, in the, what's the world? hello, sloan? the, the, we also the, the, the issue and it was this really the euro, a wonderful song us, he's to discuss the video to stay part of the way. and i will say this for the dollar live on the stove, the political, the pressure on the issue,

then it was the old, the, the, the last name, kate, the the, the, the, these are the, the yeah. call the situation. been prior to be slow in the issue. let me bring the thing on that point because when i sit listening to those un security council meetings, i listen to the 15 people 15 members talk about a 2 state solution. now this is a pilot spinning and delegate, talk about the 2 state solution, and you never hear the words coming from and is riley sitting in the security council for literally years. in fact, i tried in the last year to, to address a bus to, to get other them the is ready and back to the on this i said, do you simple question, does he woke up not believing a 2 state solution he walked off. i mean, is israel doesn't believe in this, does it actually this you certainly does not believe in it,

but i think this is not something new and come to the stop. it will come to the 2nd the stuff up for this, please. okay. okay, thank you. i thinks that it's, it's certainly true that the current israeli government has been far more explicit . and it's the rejection of a 2 state solution. earlier is rarely governments talked about, it talked around it, none of them ever acknowledge the reality is that most of us so clearly laid out a few minutes ago. the notion that there would have to be the removal of all settlers for the agreement of our current settlers to become palestinians said the su citizen, sorry palestinian citizens with no special privileges, no special protection, no arms against their own government. they would have to be citizens like everyone else, which would make it essentially to equal citizens equal citizenship into different countries. but no one is talking about that as

a model. the models always included the idea. busy that israel would be the dominant power, and what we're hearing now is a much more explicit call for accepting the reality of the is rarely legal system, which so many in the world now identify as an apartheid system. partly because of the laws that have been passed explicit laws that mandate discrimination against non jews. the most recent one, the one that most of our referred to, the nation state law, which is essentially the equivalent in the united states of a constitutional amendment that says explicitly that the right of self determination in the land of israel, meaning all of the land or historic palestine belongs only to jews. that's a very clear understanding of who is to have power and who will have the choice as one is really liter. it outlined very explicitly, the choice will be either palestinians leave ethnic cleansing as we're now seeing

the effort to force people out. or they will agree to live under the suppression of a dominant population that of jews and jewish, a jewish power over palestinians, or they will die. okay, let me bring this stuff. it was very keen to say something was stuff. let me bring you in. you know, i was going to say something similar actually, no. is there any government before and even the governmental treats? how could i have been agreed on a ballasting and state on the being talking about some kind of sense of government and go further to the further about the size of the land that would be on the self governing authority about the amount of much of your thoughts as it would be in don't go throwing off, but on is there any governments without exception up to not we didn't see that the government that would i agree with the police to me, an independent state. meaning that the state would have suffered entity would have

control over its borders, would have security control and if it's a space or it's electromagnetic field, etc. and even that, for them, a lot of sense governing a structure that could be called the state or whatever you call it. and by and maybe even that's not then, you know, who did not accept. ok, that's why not then, you know, made it the goal of his lives and not only do i agree with the public the needs, how could i have been. busy selected by i'm, is it a legs? it's 3 missed. but the can the very idea that police to me i was would have any affordable, self determination. okay. let me, let me for a moment post 1st moment. let me read you a quote. uh this was when um, the issue of sacraments has often has it been the top of the gender, its a quote from the full not un secretary general bang t moon. he said, let me read you. the policies must act and act. now to prevent the 2 state solution from slipping away forever unfolding and implementing dissipation,

2 states living side by side in peace and security office. the only means by which israel could retain its jewish majority and democratic states. as that was in 2016, it was slipping away forever. that was before the trump administration and a massive expansion of sacraments being built. what do you say alone to people who say there's absolutely no way now it's already dead. it's of the pol tight state. how do you dismantle settlements that have more than 7700000 settlers living in them on this day? i was thought of the bean government. so i knew exactly who was the people that i knew exactly why i was assassinated. we want the bus, the state, and the cost to be in here. as you know, i think we're the leasing to see this discussion was the way

the, or the latest the world is the new stage. but we are speaking on the we're speaking of the slow, the mind being the window possibly be is in the mail is when we come back to the states i yeah, sure. no, the both of the release the, the small or previous discussions others do you use they, we uh we oh by the or was spoke or this, you know, on the, on the less and the effect that the, wherever the surgery that i know the,

it's easy the way to be a, the slow was the key and we wait on the stage when we. ready in the moment, and i thought it was it about 5 to 50 percent. it can be made by the way, this world, it is possible, and i say no of us who stayed to below the slave slave or the office level because we know this well, i agree with. okay, well among those talking about the 2 states, the main reasons i the most of us to hear about the 2 state solution in reason now is, has been present by and the 2 state solution. what is randy's and publish thing is can one day live side by side with a cool measure of freedom and dignity. but it does, i mean, it's all very well saying a 2 state solution, but it doesn't matter what you mean by a 2 state solution. we look at the trump administration,

jared cushion that came up with somebody, but some let present the bus that like a swiss cheese. if you look at the you ends definition, it says, phyllis, a vision of 2 states is around the palestine, living side by side in peace and security back bits the same as binding. but on the basis of the pre 1967 lines with jerusalem is the capital of both sites. do you think the us support that bit of the statement? absolutely not. absolutely not. because that implies number one that there would be real sovereignty for a palestinian state. no one is talking ever nonsense. the madrid conference of 1991 nonsense oswald and not to day. no one in power in western capitals, particularly in my capital, is talking about a truly sovereign palestinian state with control of all the things that make up sovereignty. they're talking about an entity. there was an extraordinary moment on

this show about 2 weeks ago, i was on a on discussing another aspect of the, of the gaza crisis. and there was someone on it. i've been trying to remember his name, and unfortunately, i don't. but he was a, he's a um, an activist in the democratic party in the us from jewish democrats, a great supporter of israel, and a supporter of a version of the 2 state solution. and he said, of course, the settlements, i agree is something about the settlers as a serious problem in the notion of 2 states. and he said, of course the settlers would have to be removed and israel has shown. and this was the extraordinary thing. he said, israel has shown now in gaza that it could move a 1000000 people in a very short time. so clearly it could do that with the settlers. and unfortunately, it was the last moment of the show and i didn't get the chance to follow up with a question to him. are you saying that you're proposing that israel should be

bombing the 752800000 settlers across the west bank and to link to thousands of them? because that's what it took for israel to force people in gaza to move from the northern part of the gaza strip to the southern part. what's the 1st, what is the problem with this show? we get to the end we, we, we, we, we can't say everything. so i'd like to go through most stuff on the us point mustafah. he's talking about a 2 state solution. the palestinians think the us as an honest broker given it, strong support is around in this world is now killed about 15000 people in garza know the united states administration is not the i cannot believe that to do it because it has become a boss not in the crime and what's going on and does, and that doesn't make it to capable of being done medea to and what do we need to something different. but and as far as to what was said about this web and on other

projects like a, you'll see bill and project of configuration. they're all designed to accommodate set them intending to accommodate an illegal action of seconds. what is done for the allies and don't understand the that's the what they have done them does the now the bad, the act of ethnic cleansing, of 1500000 people from the notes on some sort of guys brought this totally question it's sorts. which is that is there and was created as a set of colonial and project isn't it could be cleansing 70 percent of the palestinian peoples. that message that we get now as old palestinians in the west bank do does. and even inside the in itself, is that these guys, one of the $11.00 solution which is do is click click lens, all of us. and we will not allow that. and we will start getting for our freedom and we will get the free them. they don't want to stay, it's fine,

but they will not cheap to us with the applause of something that is the nothing but a subset of the structure for it. is there any occupation with stuff that thank you very much and thanks tool i'll guess i'll lay out for the spanish. i'm a stuff about gucci out is there a continues to cover the war and garza, i'm the region around the clock for more analysis and context. i'd recommend going to our website, which is 0 dot com. and if you have use about all of this, we'd like you to express them, go to a facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story on x, the one we use the cold twitter, you'll find us at ha. and so i story from the james space and the team here. and so please stay safe, bye bye for now the as the game on garza continues, we bring you the latest reactions and global our experience

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