thousands of people that origin tina has lost and went to cyrus to mock international days. so the elimination of violence against women the they were wanting the government of newly elected file, right? president how the late could erode women's rights. mulay has criticized argentina's abortion laws and has pledged to get rid of the government department. charged with preventing violence against women protested in mexico city have also taken to the streets among them the parents of a missing and killed women who carried black cards with the names of the victims and in the peruvian castle, lima protest is demanded an end to domestic violence, they choose the legal system of ignoring the killing and abuse of women. one mother whose daughter was murdered, fed, her child's killer, could be set free on us,

but just as be done, she left her family behind the children in distress between mother. she was my only daughter in the mind who killed her, can walk out free copy. how long will some of the sites go on for? let's go back now to the war on gaza. we heard in hans as report earlier from this slide job is one of the palestinian prisoners released as part of the deal. she was severely burned during her detention by his really forces is more of what she said to jealous of to be reunited with. have them done? no, cause i know for i am very shy and ashamed to celebrate one. the whole 1st time is leading we'll see what we have some fresh air in the prisons tides and we'll have the prisoners who get we should get somebody lease from one plus to another 5. it is my once odd visible on my step, as well as i don't need to talk about it shall i see in addition to the struggle

with the feelings and with your name, through the family. this is the price, the prisoners pay. and that's for the feeling and longing to the family. i was feeling gas to these lights down a long time ago because there are a lot of injured people in the prisons. and they were spending yours money. i had left the 22 months of the year when i see a child only was 18 days left off. he was released on other people who are that inside have him for more than 18 years and they are still left there for a tv days. he was released and that's it for me, has him say get the bottom line is neck cuts off from that higher risk base has become

a make shift time for some palestinians. and the goal is to strip it was a local government building design to support some of this outcome for display. these men, what employed under a game in israel made with the goals of labor ministry which allowed a set number of people to look into. but on such a day, employee is acting on his ready police. instructions were told to take them to check points at the point westbank we are talking about as we speak, 550. this number might just tries to a 700 or maybe a 1000 because people are keep they are keeping pouring. once they are discovered inside israel handed over to these read the minute 3 and they are in val just simply left off to being beaten and accumulated on patrick points to find their way to the, to the surface. everyone who is watching the news on the mobile phones and like you're right, they don't watching full the news. they weren't seeing that. he was being destroyed in real time. they couldn't get home and there's nothing they can do about his hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question with a ceasefire and a prisoner release,

or without what changes in the war on gaza. and what doesn't. let's get to the bottom line. the with a deal between from us and israel for a temporary cease fire, or without one. it's obviously we're seeing a new phase in israel's warren gaza. but the big questions remain. how far will israel's operation go? is it winning hearts and minds or destroying them? what are the implications for america, israel's closest ally as nations around the world protest, israel's operation, which is so deadly to innocence, particularly children. how about the implications for joe biden, whose popularity among democrats is in rapid decline? as younger voters are saying they can't support israel's actions in gaza. and really just what happens next to day we're talking with former c, i a director general david betray us, who's also served as commander of us central command and lead us forces in both afghanistan and iraq. his latest book is conflict. the evolution of warfare from

1945 to ukraine, and it just came out last month. jennifer trace, thank you so much for joining us. and sorry for the froggy fro. there is a deal on a hostage exchange. were about 150 palestinian held in his really jails may be released for 50 hostages, particularly elderly and children that tomas has taken after it's ok. so october 7th attack. i'm interested in your reaction in this moment, but i'm also interested in the big picture when it comes to the broadside of israel achieving, is it? it's objectives? does this help, or is it a relevant to that those objectives as well? i think it helps because one of the objectives is to gain release of the hostages. so clearly a partial return of a significant number of the hostages is positive in terms of meeting that particular objective. but of course, it also allows for moss, a bit of

a breather. a moss is, you know, if you will, a fighter is on the ropes to some degree. and when you're on the ropes, what you seek is a pause in the action. you seek a breather, it gives them an opportunity because this will stretch out for a number of days. my understanding is that, you know, there will be se 10 or so the hostage. ready is released a day, there will be a 6 hour window during which no drawings will fly over a gaza. so presumably that will limit the ability of these release to figure out where the hostages are coming from. what come us fighters might be doing to facilitate this, etc, etc. so it's going to provide a 5 or more day period during which hot abbas can reorganize regroup, and can re distribute ammunition and supplies and so forth. and as i said, get a bit of a breather from what has been a pretty intense all fences so far in northern gauze. or at least we've seen a lot of international reaction. a lot of reaction within the united states,

the global south to what they see as indiscriminate bombing and rating the killing . now, the staggering number of innocent that have been killed is something that is getting a lot of reaction. so what would you advise for the next phase? well 1st i should just know that i, i do tend to agree that law says revealed itself to be an extremist army. that is therefore irreconcilable. the analogy with the islamic state is flawed. there is obviously an element of palestinian nationalism that is present with a mosque that is different from what the islamic state stood for. but at the end of the day, they are both similar in that they are seen by their enemy as being irreconcilable . and when we were doing the search at rock, for example, we went to a nor mrs lanes to determine with our intelligence assets, who are the reconcile level elements. and we try to strip them away from the sunni

insurgents. the ronnie is supported, she and militia, and who are the irreconcilable elements, those that have to be captured or killed if they refused to be detained. and i think it come us through these horrible atrocities as barbaric action that they took even fill me in it. so the whole world could see the extent of the unspeakable actions that they did take, that they have put themselves in the camp of irreconcilable and therefore they have to be, as israel has identified, destroyed, and as a military task, that means to render the enemy and capable of accomplishing his objective without reconstitution. keep an eye on that task without reconstitution because i think is one of the big questions that looms out there in addition to some others that i want to identify. israel is also sad about dismantling the political wing or from also is going to take down if you will,

the government of gaza as well as the extremist elements that visited these barbaric acts on largely innocent. it is really civilians. so if that's the objective, then they've got to resume the operation. and one of the questions that the idea of should answer is a vision that they should provide is what will life be like or palestinians in gaza after a boss has been destroyed in the political wing, has been dismantled. and then actually show that by clearing and holding areas and then beginning to rebuild it so that you are not just saying, you know, event attorney and assistance, which they said definitely do again to hearts and minds really do matter here. and you should restore basic services, begin reconstruction of the enormous amount of damage and destruction. a lot of which just is unavoidable, by the way, steve again,

as is tragically loss of innocent civilian life, but obviously have to keep that to an absolute minimum. israel claims that they are, i think they have to continue to examine that very, very closely. we had a sign on the wall of the operation centers when i was privileged to command in iraq and afghanistan, 5 combat commands, and total is your recall. and that signed asked, will this operation take more bad guys off the street that it creates by its conduct? and if the answer to that was no, in other words, it's going to create more bad guys than it takes off the street because you do it. then you're supposed to examine how it is that you reduce the risk of that. and if you can't, then you actually have to figure out how, how you're going to accomplish your objective some other way. i think that's a good process. it's a good question to, to answer. this is why it was staring me in the face, in all of these different op centers over the years. and i think that that question does a big again, an answer literally every time that you're looking at conducting

a question, an operation. now, another facet here is also of course, ultimately, who is going to bolt, administer gaza, and who's going to secure it. and the security component is important because that's how you ensure that a mosse cannot re constitute. and i think that is a very, very big question as well. now to be fair to everyone is working on this issue of who can administer a guys a who can in a sense, governance and then who can provide security for it as they are also re establishing basic services and overseeing reconstruction. but the sooner that question is answered, the better, because a military commander needs what's called the desired end state. what is it we are seeking to accomplish here? be on the destruction of a boss and dismantlement of the political wing. there are several key questions that have to be answered in until they are answer. you really can't go about the military campaign right?

with quite the, the, the vision that you would have if you had some sense of that. and i'll just, and by noting that, for example, there's got to be real concerned about the palestinian people in guys that you cannot eventually, israel's gonna have to go sell. um, are they just gonna push them around again? that's not the right answer with it shouldn't be as to allow them to return to their homes or drawings or if necessary. refugee camps in the north, given the damage and destruction in the, the way that so many of the structures have been made in uninhabitable. and by control that security and you have to have population control just as we did right in pollution in ramadi, in these other cities as we cleared, held. and then what further, but we were rebuilding immediately as we proceeded so that the civilians could come back into them. uh, we could restore their basic services and begin reconstruction channel, who has to be involved in this process for that to work. who has to become the

defender of the palestinian side? if they have lost so many in this incursion, either this a strike by the israelis after the hamas attack. how can they have trust or faith in what has just happened to them that there is a better horizon? well again, i think there has to be a vision. it starts with a vision. this is what we're trying to accomplish. and this is what it will mean for you, that life will be better and then layout, how that will happen. and then set about making it happen. you know, who's going to be the ultimate defender. it may be the is really defense forces because again, i don't see hands going up in the region. you may of actually talk to a number of uh, old commer ends uh from the gulf states, uh, official egypt and elsewhere. there are no hands going up that are volunteering to be the force on the ground, nor even the interim administration, or what have you,

some kind of transitional authority. and there's a variety of plans that have been looted. none of that would strike me as particularly realistic, including the idea. no, certainly ideally there would be a competent capable of in integrity. you know, all the rest of this kind of government that would come over from the west bank palestinian authority. but i don't see a competent, capable, trustworthy entity that is going to come over and they certainly don't want to be seen is coming in on the backs of is really tanks. so how is this going to be cobbled together? in my sense, my fear is that it probably is going to be v as really defense forces for an interim period at the very least, while others are trying to, to pursue the diplomacy. and the other initiatives that can enable some kind of transitional authority. but it has to be given real authority. and again,

can these really trust this interim authority to ensure that i'm honest, cannot reconstitute. i tend to doubt it. and if that's, if that's the case, then what happens when a boss does reconstitute, then you have another one of these atrocities such as 17 will also do this is why i think that vision the sooner the better. nobody in that, yes, there's going to be criticism if israel is seen to be re occupying gaza, but again, tell me the alternative, but it raises another interesting fundamental question. you know, when you sort of look at essentially the day after, if we get to a day after and a day after i should say, as you said, can be 9 months for longer. mosul was 9 months. so we can see there's more for a very long time, is really, is much more capable, i think, but again, it will be months, not weeks. right. and so in that situation, you know, i, i, i asked what the implications are for the united states and president biden,

who's been trying to get you a monetary and assistance in and, and had a lot of rough time getting a pretty minimal amount of humanitarian assistance in what is the state of us power and leverage right now from your perspective, joe biden wants a 2 state solution sees this is the earthquake of earthquakes that could possibly get us there. i'm wondering, is this just another conflict on a long line of conflicts where it eventually fades away and we really have nothing underneath this. the changes i think is really, is, are determined that not be the case. now the problem is obviously the domestic politics in israel. and all of that is somewhat on hold, steve, for the time being clearly the focus is on proceeding with the military operation. i don't think you can expect the opposition even to call for it. they can call for an eventual changing government. but i think that now that you have a coalition government to, to a degree or

a government of the degree of national unity of that they're going to proceed with this war. hold off on the post more n z investigations and all the rest of that for at least in a period of time until you see the object is be much more close to being met. but of course that could stretch out. and then the impatience could begin. there's pressure, of course on the united states front, there's pressure elsewhere on the world. there's another river, it's steve. i used to talk about you had the baghdad clock and you have the washington clock. and like watching the clock was always going very rapidly and the baghdad clock you'd sort of tap and every now and, and this is to ensure that it's still moving because the progress at certain times was quite slow until we got it going. frankly, about 4 or 5 months into the search. but there's another clock here that's the is real, is really economic clock. how long can you keep 8 percent of your workforce in uniform without an impact on the economy. and again, that depends on

a number of different factors, needless to say, including how much able come from the outside. but that gives leverage to those countries that will engage in that as well. so, i mean, this is a very multi dimensional endeavor. this on going to the us sector estate obviously is struggling around trying to bring various pieces of this together to see what might be possible in terms of an interim, transitional authority, the israel, these are the things at least 2 different groupings. and there are government that are and working away on these issues. the problem is that they are very, very hard and i'm not sure there's going to be the kind of resolution that folks would. ready like to see and therefore you're going to end up with something less than optimal because the optimal may not be possible. it's certainly i don't think is possible that we'll see a company capable and trustworthy palestinian entity at the head of this coming over from the palestinian authority. let me ask you

a question about palestinian leadership because we see the p a as weak and we see a lot of the structural problems and leadership. but what is, what would you be invite, you know, advising. we got the top competent, palestinian crowd involved in the say what your today be doing right now? well, this is a tough one because there are, as you know, it was very competent and capable individuals. i used to deal with the, the prime minister in ramallah, in my final government position who was exceedingly confident, but eventually got undermined, was sort of pushed to the side and really hasn't played a significant role since that. and again, i'd love to see him. is this a lot by odd or different? yes. yeah, yeah. why? and he's written recently about and then plan and, and put forward affair his article and trying to put ideas on the table at least the. the challenge is how do you empower him? can you put a team together? can add at the already where with the resources and authorities come from. because obviously there's

a lot of disagreement within the palestinian authority within font, uh, and so forth. so in each case or needs to be serious political reform. but there are entrenched interests that have opposed that uh, quite firmly. and frankly, i'm not sure in all cases that those in jerusalem or that eager to see that change . um. so again, there's a lot of factors that play here. it would be wonderful to see one of the really competent and capable and trustworthy leaders return from internal exile or however you want to term it or from external. there are some others in gulf states and so forth that had been discussed. i just don't know whether they can build a team or whether they can be empowered, what the process would be. how do you great, get the authorities from who was the authorities be be provided with this being

a united nations entity? uh, no the, and that there's going to have to be a lot of reform to the un uh, organization that oversees assistance here as well. given the, the, the versions of the materials that have been provided that clearly took place. you know, you don't build 300 miles of reinforced concrete tunnels with scraps here and there. so this takes a real overhaul. and of course, that's why, as i mentioned, these are really hard issues, and it's not surprising that they haven't resolved them until this point in time. the problem is that at a certain point, yes, good knowledge that you may have to go with the undesirable solution, which is israel administer in this area. and if that's the case again, then begin thinking that through with all the attendant actions that you should be taken to ensure a better life for the palestinians as quickly as you possibly can to convince them

that you mean it. but again, there should be a vision for that. and by the way, not just for gaza, but also for the west bank. my hope, steve, you know you asked will this opportunity is a tragedy that has an opportunity can, can it be a catalyst that really does jacob to the situation and result in some serious attention to long standing issues when it comes to the situation between israel and the palestinians in the west bank as well as in gaza. and there's another side to this where there are a lot of americans are saying we get nothing from being engaged around the world. you know, what ends up happening. we get drawn in to drama and conflict and costs that don't help us middle class americans. and then just to interesting, interested to know to what degree you see, this is a trigger political yearly in america and what your concerns are. and i also worry, frankly about rising isolationism in america. i think it's incumbent on all leaders

to very clearly explain that what we do around the world is not for charitable reasons, just because in our, in our national interest and in the interest of our allies and partners who work with us to maintain this so called rules based international order that we help bring into existence in the wake of a 50 year period that included 2 horrible world wars in the great depression. and for all of the imperfections of this order. uh and there are plenty of but for all of the shortcomings, this is done reasonably well for the world and i would submit for the united states and again our allies in partners. so again, we're not members of nato because we have charitable instincts or interests here. we're members of nato and other alliances and partnerships in groupings because it is very much in our natural interest and not just our national security interest,

but in the interest of our national prosperity as well. um i believe that the us is you know, this indispensable power that madeline albright used to describe, i know that term and it has been challenged at various points. but i think that it is accurate in that without us leadership in the world without us keeping all these different plate spinning. and i would submit that there are more lights, more challenges, and threats and so forth, and more complex challenges and stress. then at any time since the end of world war 2, so our leadership is crucial. i think we have done an impressive job and responding to the brutal and unprovoked in russian invasion of ukraine, albeit with some decisions that took longer than they should have. but again, we've kept nato together with capt food and from driving, a wedge between europe and north america. we've ensure that the response is very robust, $44000000000.00 of us alone with europe. now actually more than that when it comes

to security pledges, in addition to vastly more that they've provided and financial, economic, and humanitarian assistance. leading the way with the effort in, in financial, economic and personal sanctions on russia and export controls. now going after the sanctions invaders, all of this, the u. s. is done, i think, very impressively noting again that i felt that there were some decisions that could have been made more rapidly. and that caused some challenges for ukraine during the summer offensive. but we have to remember and one of the lessons out of this, the book that and roberts and i just published, is that what happens in one part of the world reverberates and another. and if we show that we're not a steadfast ally for israel that will have ramifications out in the endo pacific. the withdrawal from afghanistan, the decision to withdraw by to ministrations. and then the way it was conducted president, she seized on that and say, see,

you can't depend on the americans or they're not reliable allies and look at what they were. they're clearly a great power in decline. and again, the eyes of the. ready world are on us when i was in keys 5 weeks or 6 weeks ago. they were more seized with what was going on in our house of representatives and most americans were. and in part because their survival can depend to some degree on that. but again, we have to convince americans we who believe, i guess that america should be a world leader, the world leader, really when it comes to the western world and that the reason we do it is for our national interest in security terms. and also in terms of our national prosperity without i want to thank general david patricia as former director of the c i a former commander of sent tom. congratulations on the book, which i highly recommend to everyone. thank you so much for joining us. good to be with you. see was again, always a pleasure. so what's the bottom line?

it matters how israel conducts itself in this war. howard palestinians supposed to accept israel as a steward of gaza the day after the fighting stops. if his real wants to achieve any of it seems, it's going to have to figure out solutions that lead to the empowerment of palestine not be ongoing, the finished ration of its citizens. the problem i see is that the israel, we see today as launch and nothing visible that shows a sensitivity towards innocence or dying by the thousands nor pre positioning a discussion within is real or with the arab world or the west and the palestinians themselves on what a future political horizon for palestine can be some prisoners, may be set free, and that's great, but it's just not enough. this is a substantial crisis. shock waves are going to reverberate for years. and that's the bottom line. the a simpler violence has been pushing

palestinians out of the knots for years, which is october. the 7th. it's been like nothing they've seen before with a 200 people from where they see a video and community in the occupied with the bank with food to keep their maybe the shortest family had to run for safety. they located us for 4 days. we couldn't bring in walter tanks to drink. id is brothers and the families have relocated to the vintage of type a 7 year old kyle, it says he's the top of his class. i asked him what's 3 plus 4? he says it's sending. he says he misses who are the ones at the castle. i've always depended on a warm climate, but it's too cold here in the village of piping. there's also little reason glance, they can start a new life here. maybe the side would sooner to learn that he might never be able to return to his thoughts providing arms. but the

patient doesn't have time to wait for the extremely unfortunate script. there are no quick wins and eventually some odd heating interviews. do you feel like america is less than that these days or is it just a different full? i think that democracy is a process basically, entities do you feel that the fraction is already starting the g 7 in the us on one side, china and the brakes on the other? i think there is a huge piece of that to happen here. the story on told to how does era out coverage of africa is what i'm most proud of. every time i traveled, whether it's east or west africa, people stopped me and tell me how much they appreciate coverage. and our focus is not just on that suffering, but also on a more pop listing and inspiring stories. people trust to tell them what's happening in their communities and at p a n on bias. and as an applicant, i couldn't be more proud to be part of the of

the mold and untold stories from asia and the pacific. on the the hello ed 0 venue. it's good to have you with us. this is the news. our light from the coming up in the next 16 minutes half way through a 4 day ceasefire. people in gauze of pick up the pieces of their shattered lives. after weeks that is really bombardments that are close to extend the ceasefire and allowing more a tiers enjoy. as a 2nd group of 39 palestinians is released from is really prisons and reunited with their families.