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hello there and welcome to the program. i'm nora kyle, nearly 15000 palestinians, killed by israel in just weeks. most of the women and children within the darkness of israel's brutal and intends on souls on gauze. a glimmer of hope. flatt cuz afford a sci fi has been extended to 6 of the come us applies to free more is really captive in return for palestinian prisoners health and is really jails. but people have gall, so it means a longer break. and the bone, bob minton, will vital humanitarian supplies of to weeks of siege. so what happens next? what would by size need to give off to bring about along a piece o is israel simply going to attend people, regardless of international opinion. we'll discuss this on hold with august and just a moment fast this report, but it may cause i'm sure a much needed ceasefire extended for another 48 hours for the relative common cause i sold the release of thousands of his rated captains

and palestinian prisoners the dean scenes of celebrations as well on the occupied westbank country officials who mediated the de alone with egypt on the united states. a hopeful of mo, break through 20 extra hostages with the lead within the next 2 days. and on the palestinian side doesn't mean that the problem is early jails. you'll have people of that number of so 60 palestinians of the lease form has a, the president and the same time attentive the agreement that applied. and these 4 days will continue when it comes to get medicaid in a and the past in the fight. i think it is a very helpful moment for us that we can build on that momentum to increase the number of positives being released, but also to add the crown but more of a sustainable a choose to negotiation that, that taking place in the post full days how moss has released more than 50 of the

nearly 240 people. it took captive during its attack on october 7th. and exchange is when has released a 150 palestinian prisoners audio is where the prime minister benjamin netanyahu said. i'm off needs to release 10 captains each day to keep the ceasefire going much less about the fema laila. the effort to bring the hostages home is progressing and we update the families in public. as things happen, we need to be patient with managing a framework. nothing is final until it actually happens. for palestinians in gaza, the ceased by extension brings 2 more days of relief. the nearly 200 a truck so they have barely been sufficient for the 2300000 palestinians who have had little food, water, and other senses for more than 50 days. a like in the end were shocked when we were told about the truth, but are not allowed to go back to our homes. we are yet to achieve

a true caesar. we still think we are in a war. the situation is still dire and we don't have a shelter, food, or water system. i hope the truth can be extended and our misery can be ended. and i hope we can return to our living communities and go back to our homeland to lead a normal life. while this intense international pleasure to extend the ceasefire is well, has promised to continue it's phone calls, a many say it's collective punishment of palestinians for an attack kept out by him of that killed 1200. this riley's good, as well as relentless bowman campaign. since then, has killed more than 15000 palestinians and displays 1700000. i'm a consumption grief for inside story. let's bring in a guess now and in the hall we have met her and cut her off up professor of government at georgetown university here in castle and tennessee and get in levy

calling mr. her at student paper and also of the book, the punishment of garza and the new york. i am all rockman a fellow at the middle east council and global fast where he focuses on middle east and geo politics and us foreign policy in the region. if i will welcome to all of you around this, these 5, it's been extended by 2 days, the directors of most of them, c i a, a, a here in castle, a king to try to extend it further. all you optimistic that it can continue. well the, i am optimistic, but the situation is extremely fluid and complicated and very unpredictable. lots of moving pieces. and of course, there is a pressure on both netanyahu, and these really are me as well as on him off to extend to see as far as long as possible with a whole. i think it's very difficult to tell. okay, get in love

a we've had from is what we've seen that the war cabinet saying that it will return to a war as soon as the seas fine has finished. that's indicative, but it's still very much on a wall fits and can you expand for us? what pressure exists within israel, on less than yahoo and his government to extend the safe spot as it stands? the main concern is, is right now, obviously releasing the hostages almost at any price, but they will come the moment. it may be that we are very close to this moment a which is what we have to choose between continuing crushing come us or releasing the hostages. until now they are trying to play on bose any diesel key because the claim is that the only leverage they have now on how much is threatening them was continuing the war. but you know, 2 days and another 2 days of jews, but that only 2 days and 2 days it will come next. and the problem is that nobody

has a clue. what is the in game a? nobody has a clue. how far can you, can you stretch those threats without getting in into this house? part of does that once is, why do we do this? it's might really rece the rest of the hostages. we just stating the big numbers. we'll look at the south part of gaza in just a moment to the later in the discussion. i'm all festival. we know that how much of these to release 10 of the captives that it has every single day for the seas 5 to keep continuing. how long connect do that for? i mean, that's a very good question. um and based on the statements that have come out of him as, as well as the company government. and it said that, you know, again, these are women and children that are being released 1st as part of this framework . so it's about retrieving women and children. and it, it suggests based on the statements that

a lot of those women and children are in the hands of other groups and doctors have math and that helps us to find them. and i hate to talk about hostages in these terms, but it's, you know, in a sense, a finite resource to find out commodity, to trade with the border with for prisoners. and so you don't have access to find them. the ones that has, uh, you know, it can, if it's 10 a day, then based on how many people are, you know, it's simple mathematics in terms of how long the truth can extend. and i imagine that the dynamics of negotiations will change when it comes to the release of adult males, especially as soldiers that are being held in gaza by him. ask that they may take a different price. i don't think necessarily that they will release them for you know, 3030 prisoners for a day of truce. didn't do agree with that. do think that the will but will come at a change in dynamics. one's old women and children allows of garza and that's only adult males. and so just remaining at that point,

do think nothing. you all who will feel the pressure come off him. i see the division line will be there is another stage which will be the 3 man and the sick persons. but in finally, the car will be the soldiers and that thousands of soldiers. it really gets to soldiers. they are the roots of the game will be totally different. i think it is already, i understand it very well. then it would be really that they lemme order for or, god forbid risking the nice matter. i guess i'll have said that the because she ations going on have a difficult that the delicate, don't see that not giving anything away. but what areas are you aware of? do you believe to be particularly fragile in these degree? she ations well, um, you know, katara is not a part of the abraham court and although it has long had open lines of

communication, this is a, i think that the right there is a, is a potential complicating factor. the other complicating factor is the actual logistics, the location of the hostages, the situation on the ground in gaza. there's death and destruction all around. there's been rain just the logistics of getting a uh, making sure that the hostages are released. coordinating with the different countries from which the different hostages come uh, making sure that palestinian prisoners that are being released are, are actually being released on or not, uh, taken back to guest. so there's lots of the details and as we know the dental isn't the details been working out, all these logistical details is it's extremely difficult. so given all

those logistical challenges on top of the ideological challenges in the 1st place, you're surprised that you've actually got this fall into a 5th day of a cease fire. oh no, i'm not completely surprised. obviously pressure has built on both sides. the, you know, carnage that's been waged against the gaza strip has put a lot of pressure on how mass to, to, i mean, although how mass was trying to negotiate the release of any of these hostages, especially the children. the women early on in israel was unwilling to listen to that because it wanted to not did not want to have a ceasefire and wanted to wage this war. but on the opposite side, again, pressure built internally on these really government from, from, you know, the families of hostages from the society at large to have the return of hostages back into israel. and so you have those type of dynamics so that i think added

pressure on both sides to come to terms here. and now at this point, i think there's a little bit of momentum behind the temporary cease fire deposit itself. and of course we, you know, we can forget the american side of things, the countryside hadn't. egypt shall decide, but for the americans in particular. and maybe. ready you'll get to this question, but you know, there are interests for the united states government to push from the ceasefire, not only in the least of its own citizens, but in terms of, you know, mitigating some of the outrage that's building on the streets globally. internally in the center and within the state departments that are absent and we will get on to some in special reaction and pressure in a moment, the festival and what mike trip pump, the momentum that we've been seeing so far as well. i think that on the alluded to, you know, just the, the complexity of the issue itself, logistically speaking, clearly, obviously the parties don't trust each other at all. so there, you know, we saw in the 1st day or the 2nd day of the release, you know,

a delay that happened because had mass felt that it was not abiding by the terms of the agreement, obviously, logistically, these things are very difficult. you know, i mentioned earlier that not all the hostages are being held by him. ask israel's been reporting the gaza strip this whole time. we don't know how many of those hostages had been killed through this process. there's a total seats on the causes of stroke in terms of food and water. you know, are those other people that don't have the infrastructure to hold these hostages like i mass has because we've seen that the hostages that. ready these are in good condition seem you know, have to have been fed and even even bait to some extent. so, you know, we don't know what the conditions of the other hostage that are being held where they are, etc, etc. so, um, you know, anything could trip this up? uh huh. and 0, one more thing. okay, good. that's a good government move on to get in, because then this sees far as allowed both sides to take. that would be that to look up these where the public was very much on the side of the wall by and large.

now that we're seeing as much as hostages being with tons, they would relatively good health. almost as abiding by terms of the agreement was, is, is riley's public opinion towards the what we've got. mot. record of the senior advisor to the government saying that the public is 100 percent united in saying we refuse to live any longer. next this terrorist enclave is the case. i'm afraid i'm very, very afraid that mr. ray gives on this time right. uh. but the, the only defense for supporting the hostages is what it is now told the fail comprises the hostages day and night. is riley's. see the hospital, she'll come back on those who didn't come back before. very, very emotional. and there is no space financing changes right now. there's always, probably covina is, was media is any, only was the hostages. don't forget,

we are dealing with babies. we made results deeper, we sick people and was soldiers. now, when we come to the 20, which the decision we'd be, we'd have to be made, either to continue the war or to stop it. my guess is that this government has to continue because if they stop now they achieve very little it's they release the hostages. that's one good. but the file from question come us. the question is, if it's possible it or the question is, well, when the party is already public opinion spent there because it is a prize on so it is ready to not only tell them some garza my o, b is that the nomics really create a new reality, but unfortunately, i'm not sure this is going to happen and we might see in other parts of the small, this terrible war was more horrible scenes as we saw and filled out my hand. what do you think will happen when the hostages stop coming back?

i'm afraid gideon is a spar com for his own domestics, political reasons. netanyahu cannot afford to stop the war, and this is the, you know, i'm almost a foregone conclusion that he has to politically, for his own political survival. have some tangible accomplishment. after all of this stuff and destruction, not much having been accomplished in terms of his stay typical. so i'm not too optimistic looking down the line. i'm all we've got to us actually stayed on c thinking back in the region on friday. that is, look at what the pressure is from the us at this current point in time. what message is he going to be bringing full of the israeli government as well? i think he is going to, you know, again be pushing a, just

a change of tone if nothing else. first of all, for the release of the rest of the hostages, i think that is kind of critical of from the us standpoint. but again, that has a kind of a time limit on it and then is real like your other guest set. and i agree with will likely try to continue this floor for a number of reasons. but you know, this is having an impact on the us, right? i think, you know, in spite of the unconditional support the united states has offered these really, governments, in this campaigns, military campaign against the gaza strip. there, you know, it's, there is outreach on the streets in united states globally. there's an impact on the united states standing globally. there's dissension within the ranks of the state department. some, you know, democratic senators and congressmen are starting to p a law. and so it's getting very difficult for the us to, you know, continue on with this kind of know, red line, unconditional support for israel without at least offering some lip service in

terms of civilian casualties. you know, some performative gestures in terms of, you know, allowing aiden and again, obviously 8 is very important. 200 trucks is very important. but it's a drop in the bucket in terms of what's needed, even in the best of times. and we're in the absolute worst of times in the gaza strip. so, you know, the, the outrage that's building in terms of the catastrophe that's happening in gaza strip. and the fact that israel has no stated aims here. besides the limitation of a mass, which many point to as, as likely an impossible goal and what is the end game was the day after. so none of those things have been answered. i'm around this world is always said that it has limited window to carry out. this was that window. closing. it is interesting that even today we have the german 4 minutes to cooling feet as well to take the escalade tree meshes. amid this sees far, we haven't really heard that language coming from germany yet. we've got spain bulk area. also following on the side of the palestinians,

well they've broadly the us still don't see behind israel, but is more of a shift. and this israel, losing the wider support that it had are absolutely the longer the, the longer this war continues, the more the representational call for is or the attack of october 7th was horrendous. but since then, we see a daily barrage of death and destruction of palestinians. so the reputation will cost for is a, is, is beginning to point to beginning to turn global public opinion uh towards the palestinian cause. finally, as you mentioned, even a country like germany that has been noticeably silent and is now calling for restraint. bye is a good day. and you mentioned before that as well, has said that how much has a come on the control center in south gall said,

do we think that that is going to be the new frontline should as well go back in and find the once again. i don't see any other folks. i mean, if you stick to the original go nearly crushing, come us or crushing the capabilities will come us. you want us to go to the selves . now this house is now over populated is more than 1000000 a refugees who left spent the knows. how can you ever lunch or will there this is beyond my, my understanding, especially if there will be no more limits by the world who looked to be ready to see much more of the beloved boss, the 3. so the 1st part of the war. so on one hand, you understand that is there a cannot climb down of the tree every 2 or 3. mainly, these are the government,

as long as they are no really cheap rents except of releasing those stages. on the other hand, to continue this war means a continuing atrocities and capacitor fees. i think much will depend on the united states and on the pressure that the united states would it be ready to put on these right? but not pressuring words, because pressuring was, we'd be, oh no. yeah, see what i that sense. we'd really see that each must stop this war by taking actions. then they will, we still more visual dozens go off to him. us in the south photos vx, it time looked like as well. i'm of the belief along with many other analysts that you know, there is no real exit plan here. that the, the goal here is much larger and much more disruptive to the, you know, people of gaza and gaza as a, as an entity itself. that, i mean,

if we look at what we're talking about here, what is israel's ultimate objective? no, nothing. i said yesterday to is looked at the party, it was reported in israel that i'm the only one that can prevent a palestinian state after the war. what that means is there is no intention whatsoever to deal with the underlying political conditions, the underlying political problem here. and what does that leave that leaves the military issue now for the past 16 years? well, how mouse has ruled the gaza strip. israel has implemented of a policy of containment here, and that has failed, right? it bombarded gaza numerous times to kind of crush and count the palestinian resistance there. and that failed. so now the equation from israel, i mean the calculus seems to be, well, let's just, you know, forced the people of gaza on the neighboring countries on egypt and the rest and clear out the gaza strip through making it uninhabitable to the people, destroyed all the civilian infrastructure, destroy the homes,

kill as many people as possible, and you know, just and cut off food and water and all life sustaining basic necessities. and so that looks like the goal from my perspective is real, keeps its military in there. i think it's willing to play the long game not provide services, keep the guys have destroyed and hopefully the population out, you know what? it was a way it did, it leads and there's pressure built on egypt and others to kind of taking those people. i think that is the kind of prevailing strategy from israel at the moment that i can see or nothing that but the pressure on israel will have to start on egypt will have to be shooting to it because right from the stalls and, and said, he does not want a stream of palestinian assessing up within its borders. absolutely, it is a sad day when i'm thinking what i'm about to say. i sincerely whole. we're not sig, his, the very repeated. so i hope you're not seeing 19474819671973

. i hope you're not seeing another wave of palestinian refugees streaming dos of a gaza out of the west by and got a few storage pad this time. and i sincerely hope that the goal here is not necessarily to be populated by this time even further of palestinians. but i'm afraid if we listen carefully to the statements of is a policy makers that many of them have that intention get in. i can say you don't think that as well if you agree with that encounter to that what, what could be a last thing solution? i agree to this house of great seer and excite, see that this is going to happen here. yes. a many politicians men should be ready by name, minute stuff. i do culture for my head of the show back corner to the 2nd that both the bodies didn't. yeah. and so the 2nd mike, both goes, well, i won't think you know those boys, but i still have some hope,

mainly on the initial community. the big base community will be able to stop it because otherwise we are going to or above or but nobody knows. i mean, don't forget the deeper of guys out 60 percent of their sons and grandsons in dren grandsons or for a few jesus, still living with the jacobs. are we going to take them away that night? another time? i really hope this is going to happen, but i cannot exclude it by all means not. depends on this government. they don't fit for any other place. but we should suggest another place we should talk about the international intervention and guys that we should talk about may be exciting to the latest people from us without getting them. we should think about anything which really avoid continuing this more. i know i'm conscious that we haven't actually pull him off into this discussion yet. we've got a couple of minutes left. is there any room for maneuver the is the and this thing

that how much time do all that means national community can do to pressure how mass says the volume will within oh, i'm next to israel. i mean that's a good question. i'm not sure what i'm asking, do i mean there's been calls for i'm asked to, you know, raise the white flag step out of its, um, you know, it's hiding places in its infrastructure and give a maybe that will happen. i, i doubt it. you know him ask for the resistance organization and you know, there are, that is something that happened to the yellow in the 1980s when his real invaded level. and there was in that kind of an agreement made finally, after when a wanton destruction on the root and the pillow and infrastructure. and this is the refugee camp infrastructure for the pillow, you know, fighters and political countries to, to leave level. so maybe there's a possibility that have as follows, a similar fate, but i don't know,

i know based on it's entrenchment whether it's willing to take that path and what the implications of that would be. okay. and what questions the at the end of this discussion, but for the moment we'll have to leave it the money thanks table for joining us here today. my friend come rob gideon levy and i'm a rockman. i'm thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's out there a dot com for further discussion to go to a facebook page that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x, a homeless as a inside story from me, laura karl and the whole team here in doha. if bye for now the as these reading war on gods that escalates out his ears, correspondence are on the ground. 150, it is impossible for civil defense teams to come to this part of the refuge account

that was due car rushing to the hospital. he is really military is pushing deeper into jobs. i didn't know fed option just to evacuate to the southern areas which cause it to be also a very risky journey. both diplomats wait for a break through bombardment. thing guys a continue. and the families waiting for the return of the relative people are really worried. right. now, but they are facing collective punishment, i'm only going to continue with and it just depends on $20.00, all of latin america, for most of my career, but no countries alike. and its my job to shed light on how and why cuts off from that higher risk base has become a make shift time for some palestinians. and the goal is to strip it was the local government building designed to support some of his outcomes for display these men employed under a game and israel maybe because of labor ministry which allowed a set number of people to look in is that on saturday,

employee is acting on his ready police instructions were told to take them to check points at the keyboard. westbank we are talking about as we speak, 550. this number might just tries to a 700 or maybe a 1000 because people are keep, they are keeping pouring ones. they all just covered inside israel handed over today's reading and the 3 and they are on val just simply left off to being beaten and accumulated on patrick points to find their way to the, to the surface. everyone who is watching the news on the mobile phones. so i'm like, you are right. they don't watching full the news. they weren't seeing that. he was being destroyed in real time. they couldn't get home and there's nothing they can do about it. it is a tenant object to produce objectives these coverage. many parts of his really media are effectively engaging in propaganda or jet as far as what these really military was telling us does not fit in with what evidence they have so far. and yet, on the fringes of israeli public discourse, anti war voices persist sale,

calling the traitors. the listening close covers how the news is come to watch this space for where the story goes. next, the palestinians and dogs return to the right times cousins is working to further extend the cx 5 between how much the on the clock this is out 0 life and a whole. another 30 pounds, assuming prism is return home. the 5th group, released by his read was part of the ceasefire. grease masters release of further 12 captives from gun 10 is raising to time not documents.