sense that they were feeling very much relieved to be home. now, what we have heard from timelines, ministry of foreign harnesses. i'll just walk you through the latest numbers. the 23 captives have been released, and 9 time nationals are still being held by. the ministry of foreign affairs says that it is trying o avenue and existing efforts to ensure that those high nationals also return home to safety for suddenly a sense of relief. here and bank of the was his thanks, this high government for is inputs and ensuring this safe return home. the ministry of foreign affairs also added that it is asking is rarely officials to assist ensuring that this group of national will receive the wages and compensation that they are entitled to for their was in israel. a worker also said that he wanted to convey his condolences for the $39.00 time nationals q and

a mazda is october 7 attacks. so suddenly, a day of mixed emotions. celebration for those able to return home today, but suddenly anxiety for those who remain health in have civic e mail for the time. nationals who did just passed through the bank cook. we did see them boarding a bus. many of them will be returning to the hometown in the provinces where the family members on no dallas. eagerly awaiting their arrival. we've been speaking with some of those relatives who say they've been preparing for a facility to night, preparing food and many celebratory dishes. as they await the arrival of jessica washington. in other news, the un secretary general says 2023 has shattered climate records and it's set to be the hardest your ever. and so when he gets there is as calling for a terminal decline of the fossil fuel era at the top 20 climate conference taking place. and due by environmental likes of a se, nations are following sort of commitments to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees.

celsius guitar, it says a gradual reduction in the use of coal and oil isn't enough. the tributes have been paid to henry kissinger. the former us diplomat has died at the age of $100.00 blubber fruits and described him as a wise and far sighted statesman. a secretary of state kissinger played a key role initiating relations between washington and beijing during the 1970s. he also over oversaw an illegal us bombing campaign of cambodia during the vietnam war . that's it for me, elizabeth, for items with you at the top of the hour. one more news on obviously, right by the i'm, it's the world slow down. we stand for as homes, with tips of global nickel reserves. indonesia is points to leave the global, the battery industries. we definitely manage our abundant resources and play

a role in solar energy. harnessing offerings, 75 percent of global carbon credits essential. committed to environmental protection, enhancing investment climate, digital licensing, your better tomorrow. the war on god's day is being raised on the ground and in the realm of public opinion bring some of our core values to the test. one does the silencing of supporters of palestine say about the world right now. what are the consequences of stifling voices at times of work? i'm on a lease forces and this is this train. the best bet. okay. was given to me by an employee of this building. they said they were told they could not wear this badge because it was the palestinian flag in the speakers have been silenced. accounts have been removed. this is can soul culture. it appears makes it better that has been quietly fired from scream 7 due to her vocal support for palestine on

social media. after susan surrender has been dropped by her agency after some common, she made a pro palestine really the article 19 of the universal declaration of human rights weeds. everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression. but since demonstrations in solidarity with palestinians were temporarily band, and critics of israel censored, fired, or even detained for speaking their minds. many of us are left wondering if free speech comes at a price since the last attacks and israel's war on gauze that began in october, it's gotten even worse. we reached out to many potential guests for this show. they declined our invitation for fear of more repercussions. thankfully, we were able to bring a group of very important voices into today's conversation. rina workman is

a law student at new york university. jack espy nose is a member of the new proxy on to capitalise the new anti capitalist policy and a student in paris. and how many rabbani is a director of cage and advocacy organization based in london? a warm welcome to all of you. thank you very much for joining us today, jack. i would like to start with you is that so to your students and parents who are part of the movements that attempted to take to the streets to support posting and civilians in gospel, you are not allowed to do that. can you tell us a bit about what happened as well as soon as the tax on the gaza started the bombings. there was obviously a lot of people in france and embarrassed to and i wanted to take to the streets, unexpressed, for solidarity. and well, it was simply outlaw, uh, it's been uh, only a few weeks since protests industries have been authorized by the government by the

state. and at 1st, we had to fight against the banning of the protest. the 1st thing we have to do it and being with other organizations was take it to the courts because we didn't want to let our solidarity be hostile. and this eventually works, of course, the 1st couple of weeks. it was a band also by the courts, but eventually to pressure of the streets of just how many people in every city in france wanting to protest through the solidarity, it became invaluable. and people started taking to the streets. you have to fight police brutality to was a certain protest. were police find hundreds of people at each of hundreds of yours . they took people into custody, and the repressing of course is not over yet, but we managed to express our so they're already in the streets. and now we still faced a lot of refreshing, especially in workplaces and universities. but the fight is not over. we marked

a certain point. oh, we'll definitely get to it to other forms of, of, of, of repression as you say. but for us is obviously very well known for organizing protest suite. and we say that it's in the french dna to demonstrate all the time. and was it the 1st time that you actually saw protests being bound? you know, uh, obviously the french government has been on an authoritarian course for the past couple of years. uh, there was police brutality, mainly dis, summer against the riots because of the races. the police that killed the 17 year old guy in france, and there was even much more police brutality actually, but summer, it's not a new thing, certainly not. but when we manage to push them back, when we manage to make them afraid of being too brutal, it's one where as many as possible in the streets, it's one where as many as possible in solidarity and fighting. but i think in those protests are obviously, uh, not isolated. and as you said,

it's part of the dna. but it's also part of just the story of the cat last past couple of years. and there i've been with us before palestine also in the past couple of years in france, rena, in the us, the climbed down is taking different forms and a lot of it is playing out in college campuses. you were the president of the n y, use a student bar association with us until you posted a statement and supports of palestine. can you tell us more? yeah, so i'm a law student at n y u and, and my role as president, i put in a weekly column to our student bar association newsletter. and on october 10th, i decided to use that column to express my own solidarity with palestine within 24 hours. i had lost my job and by the end of the week, the administrators at my school had removed me from my duties as president. wow,

that's, that's quite a response on how much i would like to turn to you. can you introduce the organization you're representing here today? cage. can you introduce the work you guys do in, in just a few words? it? yeah, sure. thank you for helping me. um, how organizations the human rights and jo and operates as a watchdog on government policy. and again, in particular, policy that's related to counteract, stream is counter terrorism. we've been documents that work. so it just depends on what we've done is we've been assisting individuals. we have more than $153.00 cases in which we're going to be and a lot of the people from various backgrounds, the facebook pression and restrictions based on the public. so the downstream in the past, and since the start of the war, have you received more calls for help? i? oh, absolutely. i mean it shuts off completely because whereas most of our pasta work has been at the shaw and all kinds of chairs and policy. and what we found is

because it's a, it's almost like a whole society approach that's been implemented from top down. government policies dictated unconditional support to israel. and then what's happened is ministers. education to bon police. all the way down to school even are implementing that policy and teaches social work is parents children or even facing a bunch of that any expression of publics for the down to get to palestine is being faced with scrutiny of restrictions. oh, well, we're off as a going to talk about the wider implications, but i want to go back to a point that jack has made to the factor in france and germany and austria. these protests were initially banned by or force he's we, some demonstrators actually arrested for waving the palestinian flag or simply for using slogans such as stop the war or a free palestine. um, since then of course, many of these demonstrations these bands have been lifted,

but i wanted to get your impression in terms of the atmosphere in these countries right now in the case of frost, what is the context like for even i don't know, organizing meetings and discussions about what's happening in gaza as well. the context is actually quite similar to what mohammad was just saying and we were in high schools and universities at the very local level. there are people obviously want to work and i want to meet up, want to express their solidarity because they feel that the fight of the palestinians is also verified and they want to be with them. but we see, oh, the big climate of people being pressure, people are fearful, sometimes of expressing simple solidarity opinions. and it's not for no reasons at all because there was a meeting about 40 students in the strasburg university who met up last week to discuss how they could mobilize for palestinian and a solitary. and the police came to the meeting and started taking pictures of the

people. so that's just to give an idea of the climate. it's a climate the presence of climate where it's tough to express. anything that doesn't go in the direction of what the french government wants, and it's not so different in berlin. it's not so different. and again, uh, we know what about in the us? can you tell us a little bit more about the atmosphere now? i mean, have you been able to defend your position? have you been able to, i don't know. even talk to your former employer about getting that job back. yeah. so i employer actually has not reached out to me and i was never able to defend my statement or say anything clarifying lee about the statement because it all happened so fast. and i think that, you know, even at the university level with my law school, we're still not seeing this kind of the ability for people to be consolidated with

palestine without it being framed as you know, supporting terrorism or not carrying about civilian life. and i think that's really harmful because that's not what we're asking for. we're asking for, you know, human rights to be respected and in this like gruesome bombardment of gaza. and i just think those are very different things than what's being for trade and read into our statements of solidarity. and we're not given the chance to actually clarify that it's just taking in very bad faith, actually what we're writing and what we're saying. and that's really unfortunate, especially on college campuses and exactly, especially in college campuses. and that is, that is supposed to be the space, right. a safe space for the bank for the debates of ideas now. exactly. and i think it's even worse because we're seeing that, you know, students at undergrad institutions, even in law school as well, but just the inability for students to do anything really and solidarity with

palestine without heavy police presence, not just campus safety, but in new york we see, you know, n y, p, d, b called to these universities to physically repress students from showing solidarity whether that be in the form of protest rallies or citizens. and it's just a big hindrance to our ability to express our 1st amendment rights. we have those in the us and i think that right now we're seeing those being taken away. if you want to use those for some of it, right, it's to show support for palestine. and i think that students, especially, should be able to feel like they have the space to find their voice and discover for themselves their opinions on issues. and those opinions should not be dictated to them by the us government, by their university administrators. they should be able to learn and educate themselves and decide for themselves who they want to be in solidarity with. and i think that's not what's happening right now. it is very interesting that you say that the importance of defending this 1st amendment because also it's,

it's so important to bring more context sometimes into this conversation. we also spoke to nathan for a jewish officer, profess criticizing israel is a lonely endeavor these days he told us how his latest book was received and the implications of having less space to discuss injustice and atrocity. in my book, um a day in the life of that, but savannah came out on october 3rd for days before the october 7th attack and or, and there were many jewish organizations that were interested in hosting me and having me and of it together. we were traveling together and giving talks and some of them did follow through and dan to continue to have us speak after october 7th. but many of them did not. and even those that did express great trepidation about

it, they said that you know, in our community there's just not much openness to hearing this message. and we recognize the urgency of the message and how it's even more necessary now for us to understand what is the life of the palestinians leaving under his really rule. what are the reasons that we have not seen an end to this occupation of over 5 decades and that that space is really strong. the immediate implications are that it's much harder to a speak about this issue. be to understand it and see to, to have uh, you know, public opinion move toward actually pushing for changes that will address the core reasons that this conflicts continues. and this blood shifts continue. well, how much do you agree to the space for the base is actually shrinking and the,

the idea of criticizing the government of israel being considered and to submit it actually is that's a very dangerous precedent to and is being used to silence voices across the world . or yeah, absolutely, i mean the cases that we're dealing with, we can go on, you know, struggle, factual evidence, play the patch of the ink, is that number one, the cases of the society, number 2 usually involves allegations of anti semitism. and one, when you go to the dba and you have to wrap it, you realize actually the people who are being reported was simply criticizing as well as a, as a, as a scientist set the colorado state. who even less than by they was in the opposing genocide, the gymnast auto policy. but somehow those 2 are finding the complaints, interpret one of that somehow to the end,

to judge and to submit tick. and then these innocent people are getting reported to the employee is sometimes the getting reported through the institution that they work. and if it's the interest and i shouldn't have service or the education industry. and then one particular disturbing patent that we've noticed is we go around a dozen cases, weigh mosques in the u. k. have now been reported to the child to regulate. and if you can look through the cases, you find that the accusation is that these people have been making praises. and those prayers in dora was making love. and even those do i somehow they said something we should have to submit to. so we've got to a point where a section of the nation state government is intruding on the private space of religious freedom. and these must mosques have been reported to the regulator. they find themselves now dealing with the legal consequences. and so,

so that's the pattern was inc. and another broad feature of what we think we can we, we realize is, and i've mentioned the 153 cases. but if you ask me how many of these have actually designed to criminal charges. so it's less than fine, which means the effect is to create maximum publicity, creates an environment of lots of intimidation. to criminalize people. get them both to get them arrested in some cases, but ultimately ultimately be there's no criminal defense being committed. so a lot of these people, they're harassed through the system of criminal justice, but been found to be innocent. so that's the bottom, and that's being created a climate of intimidation in order to destroy people from public to showing. so the direct tv. but as we've seen, the mod across western countries in the capitals is not working because people are

still coming out and develop. but how alarming is it for you? well, how about this? this tendency of this, this attempt at least to silence these voices, especially in countries that are supposed to be the cause of freedom of speech. well, the people, because he's extremely stalled, because you only have to go back to your maximum 2 years and you realize how the same societies deal with the credit and how all of that is framed. schools. we mentioned the schools were encouraged to talk about ukraine. some schools were encouraged to raise bundles for victims of that conviction. but because the exact same school was the exact same as a jew, shits when it comes to the palestine situation where innocent people are facing genocide, they're actually come down and they have, they're being criticized and sanctioned even in some cases for me. and are you

talking about the subject in public? so the hypocrisy stop, the double standards are extremely c a. i'm in a sense, i think the public is, is now very much of a weight to the reality. the traditional media and the politicians and the others. they seem to be very, very kind of isolated at the moment because the general mood on the, on the streets and online and especially much younger people is that they can see through these people present double sided. it is just very, very clear. and this and for these like mine will be posted in people. oh, really i see you shaking or knowing there. can you, can you, can you get us your, your take a yeah. i think that, you know, something that i've been learning about this situation is this double standard. and i know that in the us, one of our non profit organizations post i legal has done the palestine exception

to free speech here. and so we're seeing this where, you know, some people can talk about these issues in other circumstances like and ukraine, other instances of war and genocide. those are fine topics to talk about. and then especially in the classroom sense, we have all the discussions about the colonization and what that looks like and how you know, past atrocities are wrong and that can't happen again. and here's why. but when we want to talk about these issues as they happen currently, for example, in palestine, we are told that, you know, now is not the right time, or we're not educated enough on the topic to talk about it. and in fact, you know, universities have been actively suspending or prohibiting a teaching events from taking place at all. so you know, we have palestinian speakers who want to talk to us about these issues that we do have information and that we are educated on the topic. and instead they're being

met with cancellations or rooms not being available to be reserved. and so i think this idea that you know, that some things are worth talking about and some aren't, is really harmful and it's very clear to students, you know, we come to these institutions to learn. and so when we're being told that some things you know, are worth learning about, or we're not allowed to learn about, we see that and it's not a hidden thing for us. and we recognize that for what it is. and i just hope that, you know, going forward these universities and these law schools understand that because we're, students were very bright. we come to these institutions with a lot of qualifications. and we see that. and we're concerned that our, our ability to learn is being tendered in this moment. uh huh. i also want to talk about the very concrete impact of losing a job which has happened to you all over the world. there were reports of people

being fired from their jobs, which obviously has very concrete implications on people's livelihoods. we spoke to one attorney based in canada who posted on her linkedin, offering free legal aid to people facing academic or professional discipline. she told us what happened the day she put this up and well, you can do your face. a similar measure is at work or at university. when i uh, posted on linkedin uh, within 2 days i had received about 60 calls and uh, in the weeks following, i received about 50 calls every day. um, and although i didn't keep accounts so i must have been contacted by at least 200 or 300 people. and so, and i continued to becomes like that to this day by people. the 1st thing i would suggest is that people get in touch with the local lawyer. and i don't say that just because i am a lawyer. i say that because it's

a lot of the time this affects people's livelihoods, right. and it's incredibly serious to them. it can affect the future, and so i do recommend that people get in touch with the lawyer to figure out their options. and i say that because it is, it can be very scary, an isolated thing to be singled out of cold out. um, so speaking out about an issue um including the house side its graham right now. um many countries um save themselves free beacons of freedom of speech. and indeed, in the last few years, there has been so much debate about freedom of speech where speech that very family can be seen as hateful or repressive has been justified as simply free expression. and now in contrast, we have ordinary people, students, academics, football players, simply saying we don't want palestinians to be killed. we want to cease via and

somehow that is seen as hateful and not within the limits of freedom of speech. well, how many we're almost out of time, would you have anything to add to what nora just said there? yeah, and we've seen that puzzling that every single control so close to across the europe . i mean, people are doing their jobs right now. we're supporting a painting shift search and he said vascular search and he's been suspended simply for some post on the line. so it is a widespread, systematic policy. if you look at germany, you have to only get other day pay n g o goes on to which was bad, right? so overall that, that picture that is emerging is a systematic compression. it also has to be said here as well. everyone is now completing the las vegas in the, in the international ways, calling international goal. eventually we system because it's quite clear that

wisdom, governments and their political need is, can very publicly support the generous auto policy with no one in percussion. so mean one, as i said before, made one, the wonder to be the people who over the age of the citizens of these countries, they can see through that. so the media is complicity. just auto policy is also being established. but with all of the public opinion is shifting and he's really easily forgettable. oh, i saw you all not doing there to oversee the dangerous statement of losing faith in international law. it is a part of a pretty big picture of the one we end the show with, but i would like to thank you. none the less for joining us today. jack rena. and mohammed, thank you for your time and also of course, thank you for your courage. and thank you for watching. if you have

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