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criminal port is we've headliner, luis moreno book, the luis moreno a couple. thank you so much for joining us on upfront. my pleasure. i mean if, if anything was happening, how much is october 7th attack and israel's subsequent bombardment of guys that have both been met with accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing and various other war crimes. but before we get into the specifics of these accusations, i wanted to ask you, if you could 1st sort of briefly define what constitutes a war crime. this was what crime that basically the find them by the geneva convention on now by they were on this side. and they basically, they are limits how solely is, could behave during the war. that is a war crime. then you have another type of crimes, crimes against humanity,

in general, size, crimes against humanity. is it widespread the or systematic attack? again, disability and population. and that's why the, or how much is it comes again to my the but mean that issue and you've got a specific crime general side general side is and i've talked, this is a crime to be destroyed in the religious russian group. and i believe that's important because the general side, it's a convention and is the convention that is required in the states bought these to prevent genocide? that's why genocide. so impulse then, because it or lead crunch of these crimes that they have these obligation not just thought enough to meet the crimes. the $153.00 states boxes of the genocide convention, including us and russia, an old, almost all of the countries who are committed to prevent and find these general

sites. that's why genocide is so important. how about ethnic cleansing? of some people have argued that what's happening does an ethnic cleansing, how do you define it? and the crazy ethnic, i think you get by him. is it point and you can, i think it's a nice expression, but he's not the crime itself. any cleansing is a warning use to avoid it. for the find something that's general side. why? because it, you're to go in your state, you had us and you say is a general side. you have the new to do, but event you say is that in the green thing, nothing happened is okay. so let's, let's talk about this idea of genocide. according to the palestinian health officials. as of this recording, israel has killed over 15000 palestinians around 40 percent of that number are children, they bump hospitals, schools, refugee camps is really armies, bolts person, daniel, how gaiety, in fact,

openly admitted that the quote emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy. and of course, this is all in addition to israel preventing nearly all food from coming in all fuels from coming in. uh people are given. this is a form of collective punishment. my question is, is there an actual genocide taking place? what, let me summarize this, this time that should be reasonable to believe because they lo isn't with nothing to the courts of justice if it went out and the funding. so if i have but that you thought that the investigation, when they had to reinstall a base, it will be lead into how much if i come for the you have how much meeting war crimes, including today the house budget, if it was a crime trends it gives you money the and the crime company did it on october 7 in these riots. i'm probably the general side they go hammer having ventured withdrawal, you riley's as a group. then if i, the reaction is also included. many crimes is complicated. 3, that'd be 5,

that war crimes because each bone may need to be evaluated. but there is something very clear that the siege of gas that it says that its expect me nation or persecution. i think i'm going through many the on. it's a form of general side, i think the sig fee, or to see that, you know, like i mentioned define that. you will need to kind of people to commit genocide. the real estate inflicting conditions to destroy the group. that's itself is a general site. so creating the siege, it says is the general fact? i'm definitely very clear. these riley wellness each is very clear. and the intentions to this probably the people that many offers says from the government are ex prancing just like that intentions. that why it is very easy to say. and the reason why i basically believe if i is coming to

a general side in got so just wanting to see each then each bomb being each of the killings to be properly investigated. but come on, we have a really clear at this stage, it says ease of genocide, and that's why it's the 5th fire should not conform in the new general site. police, you, you talked about some mass also being engaged in war crimes. of course, on october 7th, they killed hundreds of israeli civilians and a music festival. they also kidnapped civilians. these included babies, children, the elderly, the disabled. i mean, we can agree that pretty the fashion, those are war crimes, know exactly how much of the 7, if the war crime be with us, i can see billions is it comes of going to money the because he's a is it, is it for that? and back again, see if any of the nation is a general side because the killings where it intended to destroy the group. and

that's the general side. and that's why they october to set it up, doc, if it will cry, is it good? because we might have the i, the genocide and the reason why because you started the wrong why this constitutes a genocide. i mean, some people have argued that they are engaged in an act of resistance intended not to destroy a jewish people as an if needs to be nationality or race. but to defeat a nation state that is attempting to occupy them, they defeating an occupying power where i mean friends it because when i wasn't put together, i wasn't more than for 2 years in the body sign, ease, read, conflict. that's why it's so hard. i mean, how painful to see what's happened today because they went home and i remember how much send to me at the professor working with them. and he explained to me that how about believe it juice people should not be involved a sign in not just about protecting gatzo. how about believe this shouldn't be not

jews in, in, in, by the time that why for them killing the jewish in in the is why it is. but it's is part of this tribe issue and, and that's it. and so it's a general side, because even if it is a, it's a, it's an attack. they get this to try to destroy a group. in this case, they are at least in bodies that uh, okay. uh, how much charter uh, was updated as you know in 2017. this is an update from the 1988 charter and it, uh, they explicitly state uh, mass of firms that is conflict with design is to project, not with the use because of their religion. how math does not way just struggle against the jews because they are jewish, but wages the struggle against design is too occupied palestine. i'm not here to argue whether that's true or not. but if we were to assume that that were true for a moment with that, then notify the argument of genocide as a legal matter where as i say, i am is the stand the stand that it's,

it's not the highest resort based to believe that this time that describes an investigation, and i go with that that enough for me, the generals i should be investigated, indicates a harmless. maybe they adjusted maybe they, they now i'm not trying to guide me, but these have been found that they won't do this to kill his people, to remove the spell that they eat, riley people from the land. so that is for me that provide reasonable to believe that's a general site. i'm not saying it's a big shot. they go back to point to convict one of that kind of leave that for general side, you read it but try out. you need to offer the how much would either be for you to explain his argument on present evidence and then the judges to convict punched on we have a hygienist done that they had to go to be under the dog started that is high. this time that i like i'm talking about of the things i've always been wondering about

is palestine is a member of the i see, see how mass could be prosecuted for we. busy crimes a under that premise. israel however is not a signatory to the eyes. you see, and it has not ratified the rooms that you. so what jurisdiction does the isis you have to investigate and, or prosecute is real, read the in the back or how stupid eviction in got set? what's bank and it's it. so then that goes along br office step in my time. and the in 2021, the court accepted that's called the mitigation, helps happy mitigate. crumbs coming to in got set with bank. and instead of selling that mean any kind of between these places for any purpose. so it could be mitigated by the domestic and had gotten that why is right committing crimes in got that could be mitigated by you guys are not good and i would suggest for me,

even so import that was happening. got that which is massive, and what's happening with bank the go to westbank is, has more influence. that means that security of a via, and i'm a shock than this mine. this is mean to secure the, the personal with me, difficulties read today. these have on full say inject that he might have sold the because it was an extremist. is it mine who was investigate that? convicted for hates. so mine, excuse me, to settle this is providing web up the set is on and running activities in with band field and they've got me that way. for me in the same way. if so appealing on an offer what's happening? yes, i think that'd be that in, in what value there's no more buyer and because these pets, um they meet that security has in for that it's running web of the set list. and in fact, yeah, almost, i understand more than 200 people to so doesn't wait for me. yes,

that is one offered scenario. but with buying, it's a very important done on the particular be of a sudden should it's a mart been good beer in particular, be investigated for it for the war crimes they give? it shouldn't be to get it. absolutely. yes. i'll put on the, on what he's doing by the weapons incentive. if he, in fact the incentive to violence. i read that he, he was using the police to, to crash the meeting of the family meeting with a the where liberated from jail. i know so that the information they are now aside beeping and got through to him in westbank. so all of these activities should be mitigated and put it into that. stop it. in march 2023. the is the issued interest warrant for russian president vladimir putin. russia, however, is not a signatory to the court. and aside from the warrant, restricting fruitless travel, the countries that are signatories if basically faced no consequences, the. so give me, i think they really do anything to prosecute. non members,

can anything actually be enforced us when you got them this time, then foresman of the court decisions of the device you're looking. that conversation is in the hands of the states. so but if the and booting was invited, i know no one is actively dental rescue mot. he couldn't, he got to stop flying to south separate guy or going to see you because he said as i was, i think it could that rescue him. and in fact, that's how big was present, but she's when i even died personally invite you to put general side is he went to south africa to show his pretty, but he had the escape because a judge of those i think i owed about risking. so they had a resting if they must come to get thing. but as of your 1st question, was kind of just the investigate. it was bank crimes. absolutely. yes. they've gotten indicted people opposite the yes i read thing is a different matter. but my point is i just is doing what is to do and it's very

important. but criminal is it a lot of the thoughts can not be the 1st thoughts. so with that, or they feel that we are lacking is the commitment of the dimension of the community, including the biggest states to, to make a right. how about the, the big, the little look, see in september at the un, my sort of on provincial general side, he started asking about 5 genocide on going in 2 months. so that was why the probably today this day the states have no respecting the boundaries. and we can see really say shouldn't. we're not just giving individuals in got that on westbank or in, in, in, in a menu. we're kidding, cb the station. and why is not just about ease riley's or means or about the food people or think they'd be, believe the c a b or dropping? yeah. in, in the a model, is that what synchronization we're going to go faster? so it's time to change the game when you believe it's not just

a blessing to the judges list. moreno a comfortable thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you. the one of israel's responses to the october 7th. the tax was to promise to permanently destroy from us nearly 2 months after the attacks. the group that has ruled guys and for the last 16 years still seems to control large parts of the enclave. and some are questioning whether israel's goal is even achievable. and if i'm asked, would it be toppled? the question remains whitfield, a power vacuum. joining us to discuss this is deanna. bluetooth is around the low base lawyer and former spokes person with the palestine liberation organization and highland. i'm getting the senior fellow at the middle east institute in washington dc. i wanna thank you both for joining me today. then i'm gonna start with you since october 7th, israel has consistently reiterated about to destroy from us. it's estimated that from us has 30000 fighters at least,

and by these really armies own records in its own account, the air strikes me attacks of killed somewhere around one to 2000 have mass fighters, given the level of destruction that we see so far, given the current situation on the ground is a military victory for is really impossible, you know, but that's not what they watch it from the beginning mark. their idea of destroyed him. us is code for destroyed casa, and anybody who's been watching those knows that this is what exactly what is real means. and that's why you see that the vast majority, 62 percent of those have been killed, are costs any and children under the age of 18 and women. and so all along their attempt has never been to destroy him. ask because they know that that's not achievable. i'm asked is not just a minute, it's not just the political parties, and it's an ideology as well. but his dad is code for destroy garza and that's exactly what it is that they're doing. but that's an important point valid. and it's something that very famous for now they've been posted in historian,

receipt of valid. he said, he said, then i quote, a mass will remain as a political force whether these really is occupied guys, or leave destroy from us as a political institution. just drawing her mass as an idea is impossible, right? but why? well, the, the idea of how mass, of course is how much does the site make resistance movements are they haven't assignments the idea ology, but their primary focus is resistance resisting occupation. refreshing a by, by israel. and so you'd expect that when you have a system of structural violence like an occupation which can only be maintained through a through violence, you're going to get violent forms of resistance. and that's, that's any negative ability. if it wasn't called him ask that would be called something else, and it would be have more or less the same way because those are the conditions that palestinians live under. that that's an important point. deanna and,

and i get that at the philosophical level, but there's also a political question, very practical political question that we also have to ask, which is, uh, is there another party right now that could step into govern even if from us were to be defeated and i asked that question more to get a sense of what's going on on the, on the ground and what the, what the kind of political climate is. so i'm trying to get a sense of sort of what the possibilities are a. well, that's a great question mark that the problem is that there is no political party that's going to come in on the back of it is really change. in other words, they're not going to come in and take over and rule or do anything. and garza based on what is the destruction that israel has huge on, on the gaza strip. and so instead, the question that we should be asking ourselves is, what comes afterwards that palestinians end up deciding not whether it is the united states deciding or israel deciding. but what is that the palestinians want? will it be how much? maybe, maybe they want out. it's not entirely clear,

but whatever it is, whichever group it is, however, groups may be more than one group. it has to be posted in lab and not american driven, or is rarely driven or even internationally driven by capacity, palestinians who finally get the ability to choose how it is that they want to live in the end and not based on is really dictates given what you've seen in which you're hearing a has come, i've seen a loss of support on the ground, given the destruction that we've seen at the hands of he's really government given the fact that some argue that you know, some of it was foreseeable, has almost lost support you know what the opposite costs are news, know who's dropping the bomb. so we know that it is israel who's dropping the bonds and that's not how may i ask, who's dropping your bones? and if anything people are saying that that they're supportive of the resistance, that is the resistance, that's the only thing coming in the way between a, between israel and the complete destruction of the house and, and people are complete annihilation. why did they say that?

because on october 6th, as you recall the day before, there was nobody ever talking about about liberating health. so, and in fact, the diplomatic community had dropped to the issue so much so that, that everything that israel was doing was, was barely met with something called great concern on the part of the international community. if the choice was to die a very slow to where nobody is watching, which is what the israel is wanted to do, or to push back and to have at least the world recognized the brutality of these really machine that to yeah, i mean, i think a you know, i actually have a slightly different take i, i think israel is trying to destroy from us. i think they think that they can destroy from us it. and it comes from a, this, this notion like all colonial powers. they don't fully appreciate the grievances they don't recognize the grievances of the people that they occupier rollover. and

so they see palestinian politics is sort of an artificial construction. and, and these groups can be excise the in the same way that they were, that they think that they were created. so they can be surgically removed from, from the other being so high non surgical in there. and they're just generally maybe some. so what would you, would you say that then the palestinian people, the children who are dying, the hospitals that are being brought up, or just sort of collateral damage that they're willing to accept? or is it a both and situation wouldn't want to destroy from us? and they want to destroy the guy in the street. i think it's about, i think they want to destroy from us and the gaza strip. i think they are operating on the basis of rage and revenge. still. it now, more than a week's in that has been to the primary motivator. so much so that they've given a barely any thought at all to what comes next. and we know what happens when you have a security vacuum and the governance vacuum. you get,

you get violent groups of fill that void, you get a extremists, you get more radicalization. so it's not only in humane the wake is 0 is conducting itself. it's actually quite stupid. if they care at all about their own security because it, it absolutely will come back to haunt them. to help me think about what the future looks like for palestinians. and as the associated press reporting that israel's offensive is turn the airy into a quote on in habitable moons scape the u. n. estimates that 1.7 is a standing number to me. 1.7000000 palestinians. and guys that are newly homeless, even if a permanent ceasefire, would it be put in place today at this very moment to borrow the words one guys, and professor people have nothing to return to the next. they've been mentioning the psychological impact that a siege has had and a complete c just having right now on the, on the people of guys that uh,

what will it take to rebuild? it will take more time and money and effort than anything we've ever seen in the context of the occupied palestinian territory. israel's actions are moving in a certain direction. they are moving toward the permanent displacement of that 1600000 palestinians. it's impossible for them to remain in the south of gaza forever. right. is just too crowded and, and there are no services. and so i think very much the, the ultimate goal is to push them out of gaza. and that's where the real danger is . daniel, what do you say? what does it take to rebuild as a and also who's responsible for doing it? who should be paying is israel? who's gonna end up? probably paying will end up being likely the europeans. but who should be actually physically doing it is how sydney is wanting to rebuild our own places and spaces.

but what we've got to look like afterwards that this is the question that keeps many of us up at night. because we haven't seen the end of this. i remember a few weeks ago on your show, i think the 7 weeks ago on your show, you had that daniel yolanda on the show who very clearly stated that house and should be moved into the egyptian side opposite peninsula. in other words, what they are looking for is ethnic cleansing. they want to get rid of palestinians . but i do want to address something about the destruction of having us. i think that israel knows very well that it can't destroy from us. they're not looking for security, they're not looking for it at all. if they were the formulas there, but it's dead. they looking costly to perpetuate this so that it creates this mindset inside israel. that they're, that they're not say and increase the mindset in the outer world that they're not save as well. and therefore, more money flows, more security, more weapons and so on. i think it's real knows full well,

but it's in what it's doing and it know still well that it cannot just recognize that this is simply code for destroying gaza. just showing how students enforcing is released to forever live under under the guns that have to be our last word. dana boots are thank you so much for joining us. kind of that. i'm going to thank you so much for joining us as well. everybody that is our show upfront, we'll be back the from the shackles of present to us here as well. and tearful, we infested his brother is among those who were released of this 3rd day of the ceasefire. all that i've shown was 15 when you were the sisters say sentence to 5 years on full screen. but part of

a ceasefire. d brokered by world powers many believe that if it weren't for from us, they wouldn't have seen freedom. so some backs of prisoners should free the monday out their release directly linked to the volume. and there are indications that maybe this, these buyers could be extended and that could be more positive in teenagers and women finding the freedom again. it is a tenant of journalists to produce objective news coverage is true. i don't think that there is a fair, objective and impartial representation. the listening post covers how the news is come. the latest news as it breaks this attack has been described by ukrainian president followed demand lensky as an act of terrorism with detailed coverage.

obviously, they has promised to respond to the origin stage and improvements of therapy measures. people who are fear of this well impoverished, the population from around the world gets males. this wants to be 5 minutes of old people for the after 25 years of competing against my friends and assign them seek of some say, you told me doesn't sound convincing. the, the tests and destruction authentic cause of the expiry of a ceasefire between israel and from by a 178 palestinians have been killed since friday morning. the bulk of this is just a real life though. also coming up the

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