the size under seats for the past many years. stores go, i'm related so fast. a lot of people are dying. a lot of people are under the buildings. who's a be the schools. we can come see mobile and we up the way you go is files. most, most with the 7 days a spot in garza white thing has was in between as well and how much was in the middle of civilians from side to side. and so i have questions about proportionality accountability. so is as well meeting is obligations under the laws of war. this is inside story, the

hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. of the mediator has failed to extend a 7 days sci fi and gaza. israel has resumed its bombardment of the strip strikes of talked at houses and refugee comes in the news center of the south of gaza palestinians, already suffering a humanitarian crisis. you and says 80 percent of the population has been forcibly displaced, and the health care system has collapsed is where the army is offensive, raises questions of responsibility and accountability. prime is a benjamin netanyahu, says israel is acting in self defense of the attack by how much on october the 7th killed. 1200 people i'm doing is national. know as well, is the occupying pilot and gaza and the west bank and is obliged to protect all the people that bought as well. doesn't recognize palestine as a states and says how much has basis in hospitals and residential areas. making

them legitimate military targets will be unpacking the complexities of this argument with, i'll guess in just a moment. but 1st this report from 5th to them on a on of israel released mohammed. and as all as part of a prisoner exchange agreed with him. us, the young man spoke of his treatment at the hands of his really authorities. so obviously one of the guys was so badly beaten, his cell made skipped calling and yelling for someone to help. and they finally arrived. they felt his pulse for the boss. he was dead after that they were just insulted when the soldier came to fetch me before my release said they would hunt me down and bring me back to jail. them is really capt is released by him. most also spoke at the harsh conditions of their detention and got the 70 treaties governing the treatment the civilians, soldiers and prisoners of war are known collectively as the law of armed conflict. it applies to government forces and known stake are groups such as a mosque. israel's treatment to palestinian prisoners its policies towards

palestinians in the occupied territories. and most recently, it's military campaign and gaza or racing questions about whether israel is respecting international humanitarian law. the treaty state, the combatants avoid civilian infrastructure and concentrate only on military targets. but israel has repeatedly balk hospitals, homes and schools and gaza, saying how boss uses the for military purposes. it is a legitimate military target. and why is that? because from us, uses all lowercase all of their offices headquarters, their research and development, and all of their other military assets. if it's above ground, they locate themselves in civilian buildings. then there's the civilian death till how mosque was widely condemned for its military offensive in southern israel. october the 7th. these really governments at 1200 people were killed and more than

200 were taken captive. but since then, these really bombardment of gaza has killed more than 15000 palestinians. according to the gods, the health ministry. critics say israel's as pulse is not proportionate. another principal and the laws governing our conflict. israel maintains its attacks and gaza, or self defense. but even its biggest allies for us, has called for more protection of civilians. but israel has the most sophisticated one of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. it is capable of neutralizing the threat posed by him us while minimizing harm to innocent men, women and children. and it has an obligation to do so. legal situation is further complicated by the stages of palestine, which israel does not consider an independent state. as the war drags on and the death till rises, israel is facing growing accusations that's fully insured of its obligations under international law, a fence and monitored and for inside story the

. well, let's discuss this further. that's bringing all guests in ramallah and the occupied westbank list of football gucci section general of the policy and national initiative and a full my information administer for the policy and in all pharmacy. and you asked me to have a full legal reset. so an advocacy officer at all hawk an independent palestinian human rights organization and, and livable in the u. k. trusting iron mountain yellow, a professor of low at liverpool, john moore's university, and a member of the legal team, representing gauze, the victims in the international criminal quote of. i will welcome to all of you to a senior. this friday is well resumed as strikes on gauze, a once again, killing civilians in huge numbers. it's now also targeting what was supposed to be safe areas in the south. can you outline for us was all supposed to be the rules of

bull in this conflict, but it's also one of many things. i mean, to me today, i mean discussing to do little below looking at the situation you've got so many international perspective means possible to discuss the context in which of these alternatives of taking place. hostilities and context can not be assessed but separately. and the complex, he's the one in which there is being the now almost 17 here, located the who got the street from babe located which has because use and i'm, but all the kaiser and which has cause this heat ration that according to that ignition. so the front of the body shop with the un was even before the 7 oak stone, but unacceptable unsustainable end of the plausible anguish. and that's what defined what's defined by the secretary janet out of the nation has a collect the punishment disaggregation over the scene. even the population in god's blo k means on the international law, also based on over the gun,

the street begins time policy on savvy the international law. so not totally the west, the bank, including the subjects of them. but also the got the c. c, local by the side to the 2005 with these in gauge meant over the, over these, ready to got the a still a whole by the i'm the international law but maybe seen police on because it is a little sorry to see like the size and effects keep control over the entire guy. that's the controlling or most of the select the board that's going to be talking on. what does it have space or even the box revenue will sit on that with the effective control over these are those, all the pieces. so we have talking about the context which we still occupied, done during the initial or no. okay, so we've gone to the v. okay, pine power we start football gucci. watch all the obligations of the occupying power in gaza at the moment. but also in the west bank litigation is i need to buy and buy what is or to take care of the civilians or under the 0 corporation. and

this is what i was doing exactly the opposite. not blending does us through but also in west bank. and the hosting agreement was used by, is it or is in the west bank for instance, to get the funding of responsibility, the people who are on the patient and send it to them. but just in an alternate to which continues to be an alternative to adopt authority and, and also to t under occupation. they provide some money and power. so the game that isn't in place all the time, i'm not wants to repeat that and guys are, is dirty. ok, bye guys are completely control it to atlanta with military power. but find somebody else to take care of the humanitarian needs of the people. but not only that, they've destroyed 60 percent of all homes and guys, so they have just started on the infrastructure and goes a city. so practically, not only the not taking care of the needs of the people on the patient that

actually destroying any possibility for the life of the people on the occupation because it actually good is really the ethnic cleansing of guys completely. and that is the reason why they decided to renew their attacks now and does that. there isn't any product of international, in my opinion that isn't it, and i'm not familiar with it. okay, is it? and it said it was, it's a list as a set, a lot of colonial projects through a huge population of ethnic cleansing, against 70 percent of the listing. young people who are forced out of their land out of the country to become a difficulties with. do you see the palestinians situation the, the, the violent resistance against occupation that we are saying that we have seen is there are legalities within that, within that? well, i'm using the resistance in any form and doing on struggle and to resist the occupation

is permitted under international law. there is no questions. there. policies have the right services, the tradition that we're which means that as soon as they choose, it's up to the palestinian people. this includes all the resistance, but it has to be in accordance and in compliance with international law. in particular, the low governing the kind of difficult cosivity is that is international humanitarian law. so i don't really think to be the other talk then if you're looking to be attacked by homeless on october, the 7th. it's been called a war crime. 1200 people were killed by 240 people had taken captive based breaking international. no. but as a non state act uh, in this conflict, what rules of rule is come off bound by and the same that is ro these by i'm by d, b. m. and the application of international humanitarian law applies to all the

parties a, to the conduct of facilities. so and, but why don't it is to differentiate i, nobody can claim that an attack and it's tied to it is illegal because we just set up to 5 people. have the, roger, is this the condition? so this goes back to the rhetorical question. do you condemn him? ask for sale, and this is a way to drill the discussion long. cannot of a post any independent i'm asked is attack and it's detected t, but when talks about is ready to use is you use it, use a was talk about technicality. like with our a search and stripe was proportioned turn up. so the attack in and by itself. so for example, attacking is right, the soldiers dragging them out of tanks as we saw and taking them to guys that this in particular, this exact incident is permitted of georgia national. any attack against due to buying army is permitted under international law as long as it complies with the

rules of international humanitarian law. and on the other hand, any attacks on civilians is for habits under international law and court amount to our crime and the body to decide that has to be an independent investigative party . and the experience of or distortion in palestine, this body cannot be an investigative body from, from israel. is there other, has the history of denying and adjust this of systematic infinity as 3 of us are logically lying by the responsibility of its uh, soldiers and ensuring that they enjoy absolute infinity. and i think this is because the, the whole is really a simpler colonial project and archive regime is it permits on a promise of impunity to it is older. so we will definitely get onto the issue of accountability a little later in the discussion that trustee. no, i don't think we've already gone to the crux yet of what the actual rules in

a conflict, all because all conflicts on government by the rules of your instructors, humanitarian, know geneva conventions. can you outline for us to view as most exactly they all when the 1st of all a, i mean it's arguable that cc said he sees a alco by the territory. he also got to see if, as we said before, that these lab has rights to assess the defense engaged in a code by the territory. has many states claim, my assuming that means that i wanted to call to make it as stop to the meet the page on this started, you say no, sorry to have to comply for. so what are we the fundamental principle? so the dimension on your money tell you look for some of the principal over these things on. so making a clear distinction between the meaning of your objectives and cvn, or project and cd down to principal football should not be so not to, you know, to putting in place to this. but boy shall need the tax and to find them. the principal of booker precautions providing the signal police on the way defective a word means the funding signs or looking to have been to violate the,

the end of the school. yeah, that'd be the end. so you relation to these gods award. it's not the knowledge, the old dominion very strongly against the gods have been cut off the eyes by relation to buy these. i know, sorry job of these is the principal. so he bust equal level with the principal and all the distinction by bolting plays in the screaming a duck talks against the cv 19 cv. nope, just week old provides plenty of accent boards instead of the doping. these are the guy with the for instance, the she for off be done all the, all the medical, the only thing got the which habits built it could be the state of the sun during the nation. or do you want me to tell you a little have been in today some of the talk to the babies would also be deep, or the talks of the self default so bookstore. but again, to jump lee of if you can book in which of these are, it'll probably be the claim that there wasn't many times i must have made that equal monday when there was no evidence for that. but even if it is the will, should to provide a clear, okay, it'd be done so, but that's the, that's not the main to the cv and the group, but in the shop. but yeah, that's what you get as it may need to be taught to get the closing to the initial

money. the little is also to go to this stop to the bank, the initial i couldn't do one of the most of a bigger thing. what do you make of the evidence that israel has provided so far? what they've done, sorry. the evidence that it has put on social media, we're seeing videos of tunnels. we're seeing them going through areas and it said was where the hostages were being held. what do you make of those trips to what, let's say that the thing you know is not think about that, but sometimes you can learn how to just do decides being on criminals. and his army and his books, people can repeating glories of laurie's even started. these lies wherever they woke, even by the american media. you remember the whole story about decapitation of the children. yeah, and then i have to apologize for reporting that the name of women, los angeles times had to apologize for the exact number of palestinians come

and the now we have the names and the needs of parents and everything done. the id numbers are 4 people. so is that and continues to the lives of the allies of satellites to justify what i'm quite interested in. the balance of this discussion though, is whether this kind of evidence would have a hold up in the quote of no, oh, absolutely not. of course not. what we hold in the court of law, if there is an independent 3 in commission of international law, that is not the biased who is that is not subjected or if i'm not up in the american pressure, is that i wouldn't be judged for the following. the following board of crimes, the only the continuous occupation, the system of prototype, the ethnic cleansing go by the students, the genocide that is going back to i guess people in does the collective punishment against the whole population not only in gaza, but also in the west bank, in addition to reject students and refusing to implement not less than $1003.00

solutions of the united nations, you go to the assembly of the night technician security council. all of that was done by is that why? because that was done government and sufficiently, the united states of america, i'm in particular the government of britain have allowed is it or to be in unit of the international have allowed? does it have to be a comfortable, has treated? is it a differently from anybody of the country and the worst? look on the competitors. a very clear comparison between the 3. it's the situation in ukraine and that in palestine and ukraine, this supported the but they said that when you buy people in palestine, they are supporting the ok you buyer. and i mean by that the united states and britain and some other wisdom governments. okay. the jump in the we will sort of, we will be, we will be looking at it. the international communities respond is just

a little later on. still just trying to pin down what exactly it is within the know that israel is, is breaking and the act. but because as well, we have to knows that as well continuously insist that it's conduct is in accordance with international know. and it does seem so far to have the backing of the us in that however, it's also cited as having a loose interpretation of the international law. so how much room is the lawyer? how much room is that for interpretation of this international know? where to be honest to say it is wrong, has a loose interpretation is even under statement. israel has a distorted interpretation of international law. it makes a mockery of international humanitarian law. it's violations of, of the local and international major in little are abundant to clear a list for those who don't want to see it or who wants to follow is rose, lies and, and broke. and is there

a claim is 1st and foremost that it's acting and so defense. it's important also to, to, to explain that. but the body of low that governs the right to self defense for states is regulated on to article $51.00 of the united nation trot. to this is a ride to states when they're attacked by another state, not by non state actors like resistance groups. and even if there is a doubt about it, states ride to respond to attacks coming from the groups. definitely, there is no doubt that a no q buying power does not have the right to defend itself against the people to bias. because naturally, it has positioned itself as the aggressor as the o q, by a. and as a matter of fact, the as to the highest quotes in the united nation, the principal judicial order of the us, namely the international court of justice and the 2000 full as well as your opinion has already said that because it's well argued. so the defense back then,

and the court says clearly that the rights of defense is irrelevant when it comes to data by toasting in character. and this has to be clarified at the outset. in terms of is rose violation. it's important to differentiate between different kinds of, of, of, of violations, as well as convention in war crimes and during the conduct of who's tendencies. and this is a question of our job principles like proportionality distinction and other important principles. but is there is also committing a continuous work problems that comes to to palestine. and i think one of the most important crimes of those is the transfer for relation to the 2 by a territory is also known as supplements. this is one of the most important credit because it underlines the simpler, colonial nature of israel's condition. and it's typical and live the other design isn't. that is a problem is on the rates are of the palestinian people and replacing them and

their indigenous lab. and that is b b, b fundamental issue. and this is the crime that the doesn't jump in that was wanting to trace data to look at a little bit more of all these violations that held them a huge file that the i, c, c has a former prosecutor, 5 to been sued to become an investigation in 2021. we've never seen anything come of that. why not? when the possible uh, i will direct. why? because the nation's going to being told king, i mean that there is already evidence for the international giving you a quote to southern investigation on the initial work items we have mentioned. but also the times, i guess you might do it for both cost. so looking at the evaluation, the type of pollution from it and also regards to the solved. and there is also, according to federal, expressed international organizations over the ongoing commission of the general citing gotta incorrectly say the phone. the prosecutor open investigation in 2021 to look at the situation. it was

a disease showing that we have very novel scope uh over the investigation, looking at 2015. what crime is committed in gods as the kinds commented within the context of, of the great to much of the time and the end, the end to set to the mind seemed westbank as a work i'm, i'm fortunate to be seen to the new prosecutor to has spoken no fees to the british, but instead of coming the con, yes, being a very reluctant people thinking place any effective investigation, including the situation. the answer to the question came made. it may be that to you because these i'm building 20 but the actual knots to put in place. in fact, the basic ation went to common school nation. i was calling follow up with congress that applies to you lock for the be the students that applied for forgotten. it's time for us to national and the seal applies to to, to, to bought a sign. this is a key of the case opened up. the stone box has, as we mentioned before, the court has shown to be able to react the prompt, but the commission will be the initial cost is another context. and a few days there was a request for that, that's what i'm thinking. so that i shall mention on particular it goes to the

president building. we haven't seen these each since 2009, but the ball assignment supplied between gauge with the a c. c, but after the 4th the there is never beaten. they seem to request a virus to one or a some multiple of these other ones. there's never been a case before the technician will clean the code and div. i mean, these days the prosecutor is still a very big one. it comes when he talks about ongoing crimes committed against the funniest thing and the big themes. okay. and the sees the most stuff i just want to bring you in at this point because it would great circle back now to your earlier points that you were making about international pressure, or lack of it is easy post use a car, him con is, is visiting is well at the request of the victims of the october 7th, how much attack is also going to be visiting ramallah? what would be your message to him? and he says go to, the guys are not doing them alone because he is one kind of done the model of the

piece of good to go on. so together, that's where the most of the problems are happening. and the, let me say you a say to you that we are totally unsatisfied with the behavior of mr. cutting crime that has been on the so many evidence about that is that a lot of times in 20142000 pounds, 2008 in garza, and they never looked at that. he never started the investigation. in my opinion, he's very if i'm not up, is to our america and is there any depressions and the i don't expect much of him when he's coming to visit. is it or who would have not been sort that before to visit visitors, that it's and that is another very good indication when he is not saying that he should be also visiting garza and, and let me say he has a that's, that is exactly the problem the problem is that is there is allowed to be outside dynamics of international. and one of the issues that's a bit is the, or is the fact that is it and has declared war on occupied people's loved ones,

not twice. but some of the times when you buy people illegal is unacceptable by international they are okay, buying the us and the same time declaring good on us and, and that's by itself, of course, is a very good reputation. but in my opinion, the united states of america, britain, on some other wisdom, governments are equally responsible most certainly and that we're just doing the discussions. i just want to bring back up from it because without the application of international know, to israel and palestine. so i'm a wanting to this conflict, so only continue. do you agree with that? the 100 percent, this is the, the, the, the, the fact that we have this situation is, this is the domestic impunity that israel has been enjoying uninsured for uh, its soldiers. i think at, and this current situation is like a very important one, not only for palestine, but for the whole body of,

of international law and the international criminal court in particular. i think this is the live mr. sports, the credibility. i totally agree with what your uh, uh, with what uh the other guests have said that it's uh after the unacceptable of the way that the court is approaching the situation. you need not to forget that sir. stream hon took office and became the prosecutor. he hasn't issued one statement before the 7th of october, despite his roles, continuing violations, despite his ro, attacking worshippers inside locks. almost the whole these blades uh, from the times around the world on track that's good. that provoked a reasonable war and he didn't think it's enough to issue a statement and the don't get the last word to trust, you know, because we're going to go to minute left. i want to know from interesting is going to be at the i c. c, do you think as well is going to be held to account while these, these uh, i mean, so far as we know that it has been very difficult and it's

a part time. and to me from say, to months over the present, you will don't, i mean, this is a, uh, it's not easy. this is going, it's likely that is going to happen box. so that's the reason why the pressure was on the coffee, some of the prosecutor and on the quote must be kept high, not only by states which have submitted the files to the quote, and these are the but also to see if it's a site the organization that would like to conclude, to say that we dial to the was called bodies, feet on cd. so site to organizational means west. the bank and the gods us the but they won't be the investigation, i guess the she a thot does. thanks to them. but that's a good contact being able to put any investigation. okay, i'm ready. thanks to you for talking about this subject today and was stuff about gucci. estimated a beautiful and interesting in my, in the yellow. and thank you too for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's out of there, dot com. so it's got some good. well, facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x, a homeless as

a inside story from a laura carl, and the whole team here is by center. the what you're looking at that is one of the bridge points through which i must collect escamy took his word warning, sirens. here i can see some rails over there is some site has been remarkably intensified during the last couple hours. we've seen these as strikes really concentrated on residential homes and residential building kind of hobbies are still over, of course as well. so that's a moment. let me conversation here is a minute inside the hospital then without oxygen, without electricity is being 2 bathers and the baby is inside the house. they are dying one after another. they say that they want,

as far as the bad, all kills in me every single day. israel has now imposed a complete fees on god's that so how do they survive if you have no income, how do you live? cost of living rose sharply after the war and ukraine could something like that happen again as a ripple effect of 2000. and one is it us contract is mainly well benefit thing from this. when the price of oil goes up, the cost of almost every thing goes up. counting the cost on algae, they're investigating the use and abuse of power across the globe. on alex's here, we don't simply focus on the public, it's of the conflict. it's the consequence of war,

the human suffering definitely the 4th time. it is one of the most serious thoughts of violence. in recent years, we brave bullets involved because we give voice to those demanding freedom the rule of law. and we always include the views from all sides, the a 2nd day of his rating, foaming and gaza. at least 200 palestinians have been killed since the seas. fine ended on friday morning. the color that run this donkey attain. this is out of here at life and of all 2nd palestinian communities left in ruins. the renewed is rarely attach, have destroyed hoses, businesses and final infrastructure.