are expecting also medical supplies to enter to cross any time we hope that we can have them so that we can deliver them directly to the hospital. is that the arrangement the needs for that? and we hope that to help us out. it continues. yeah. has some holla, the from the international committee of the red cross. thank you for joining all the renewed fighting and also it has also crushed the hopes of family as of more than 7000 to palestinians in his really presence zane does. robbie has come up to boss. it may not serve his entire sentence. there is no early release or prisoner exchange. he has cancer and it's getting worse. his wife zabeda says she wakes up every day expecting bad news. and the overhead assemblyman with the wood restarting, losing cold. i always try to be strong in front of my children, but i expect the worst. even the kids are disappointed. my son asks if his father can take much more of this. if the cease fire is over,

what's going to happen to sick prisoners? i'm stories, photographs, and medical reports, and all she has to connect her children with their father, a man who has spent a decade in and out of jail, no charges, no sentence. a man who needs medical attention, he's not getting in and is really so palestinians are always just a moment away from tragedy. the end of the ceasefire and goes on friday. within minutes of his really guns coming back to life. fresh horrors and hopes crushed that more prisoners would be free. here, the serving a life sentence for his part in the killing of an israeli minister in 2001. it is unlikely she will ever be released. but his wife says, who does not care about the ox? it's because it has the and has agent then in, in that we're very sad that releasing some prisoners has come at such

a high price. we're talking about 20000 killed, those who were retrieved and the other still under the rubble. that's a very, very high cost. freedom is precious. but we were hoping that they would be released in a deal of some thoughts without all this bloodshed and brutality inflicted on all people in gaza. any behind bars. good. not forgotten to israel criminals, terrace security threats to palestinians. fathers and husbands who write love letters, patriots who fight for freedom, the same bus route of the ultra 0 roma law in the occupied west bank. well that's it for me and installing said hey, you can always find law on alta 0 at dot com. the bottom line is next to stay with the from the shackles of present to us here as well. and tearfully

doors and festivals, butter is among those who are released of this 3rd day of the ceasefire. all that are ton was 15. the sisters say sentence to 5 years on physically, but part of a cease fire deep brokered by world powers. many believe that if it weren't for from us, they wouldn't have seen freedom. so some bags of prisoners should be there monday out there directly to the buyer in gaza. but there are indications that maybe the ceasefire could be extended and that could be more policing in teenagers and women finding the freedom again a hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. president biden says he wants

a 2 state solution for palestinians and israelis, but does anybody believe it's doable? let's get to the bottom line. the, the temporary truce between some us and is real might last, but it's just as likely that is real well resume. it's all outward, it's quest to decimate from us. the damage done on both sides of this conflict will make it very hard to go back to business as usual. when the rockets, the tanks and the guns stop firing for decades, despite efforts from the international community led by the us to address the palestine is real conflict, the result has been that the issue was swept under the rug. no progress, no real horizon of hope for a better palace than you in future and occasional economic handouts to the palestinians to just keep the nation living right above survival levels. but no freedom and no prosperity. now after about 15000 palestinians have been killed by israel and more than 1200 is released or killed by hamas. this equation just

doesn't seem viable anymore. president joe biden says he wants to reinvigorate the attempts to create a palestinian state, living side by side with israel, but how and can by the succeed, were so many other us presidents have failed to day. we're talking with mara redmond, who worked on the ground in the clinton and obama administration for the middle east peace process. and she's now the schlessinger distinguished professor at the university of virginia mart. it's great to have you with us today. many people under 30 in the united states do not give president biden a positive grade for the way this crisis is being managed from the us standpoints, as you've given president biden, some phrase for how you certainly tell us what you see is right, that president biden is doing and why do you think there's this gap in the united states where so many are not supportive right now? sure, i appreciate being here, steve. and to good question. what i think president biden is doing right, is understanding. it is applying all of the experience he has them. you know,

he's got years of experience or decades in terms of understanding the dynamics on the ground for both israel is and palestinians are working hard in terms of the relationships he has throughout the region and throughout the world and keeping front and center what united states interests are here, cuz to be clear, if you're a present of united states, whatever you're doing and other parts of the world must be dictated by what is going to keep americans safe and secure. let me just interrupt real quick. what are those us interest us interests are uh, space a secure and stable middle east region. we know from our national defense strategy or national security strategy that for the united states, the biggest that we talked about china, let me put this way as a pacing competitor. and russia as the chronic threat to us. so those dictate the overall parameters of, of what we need to do in the world. that doesn't mean

a band and name are stepping back from every other region in the world. because the safety and security of the united states and of americans very much flows from of the safety and security of various parts and stability of various parts of the world. and when the united states steps back, china and russia has shown very clearly that they step in and in some cases they're doing not before the united states steps back. i just, i just wonder what is the us strategy has to be at this point. because what we were doing clearly did not succeed in creating that stable, you know, positive, middle east that, that you think is in american national interest. in the immediate, i think for the united states, there needs to be and i believe was present by them. there is a readjustment of thinking in the context of understanding that

the united states cannot afford to walk back from various regions of the world to walk back from our in boardman, the intensity of what we're willing to do and how we're willing to do it both in terms of providing help but also. c our diplomatic engagement, as well as our security engagement, and i think for some i don't think this is present in finds you, but i think for some of the administration, there was a, a view that because china was our patient competitor that somehow meant all resources needed to be maximally and to some extent largely going to the endo pacific region and uh the so called pivot the agent, right? yes. but in other words, in the just not just the pivot in focus, but the pivot and resources and attention and i'm of the view. and i think there are many with me in the administration that consistent was do in china as a pace and competitor and recognizing the real threat of russia means you have to

be vigilant and involved and engage throughout the world. and so i think that is one of the biggest the lessons going forward. we shouldn't have been surprised by what happened on october 7th. so when it comes to the big issues like occupation and d, occupying or moving settlements, do we have enough leverage over is real in the temperature. it's set or not. it is a challenging, always to negotiate with people who are under fire. um and a country that finds need to defend itself. uh and so what president biden has been able to do through how he has led the switches and there has kind of approach. i'm going to show you in the most visible possible terms that we have the united states are with you. and i'm gonna start by whispering the hard stuff into your ear as i'm hugging you tell you that is just doesn't personal relationships in difficult situations. people need to have some degree of trust to then move forward. so what

has happened? the amount of humanitarian aid going into gaza, how it's gone. and david satterfield, tremendously accomplished, diplomatic being appointed to, to navigate all of that to me as shown, tremendous strength of the united states. and that is part of what will be important going forward. and again, this can be just the united states. it needs to be the m moratti's and the egyptians, and the se, talk about the players. one of the other things was going on during a jump administration was the initiation of abraham, the courts and, and a lot of people look at the abraham accords and, and for the air of world, normalizing with israel as a net plus uh for the world and for israel, but there's also the view that it just leapfrogged over the palestine issue entirely. do you see it that way? i don't see it that way. i also don't see it as just a trump administration, something that started with the company ministration. so to be tech support, so that the name abraham accords and the kind of the celebration trappings of it

and certainly the moratti's and who would be able to tell you far more about it. and i could, um and uh, and the bar end is who signed 1st i did that did so with president trump, but the basis of the, that agreement on all of the things that flowed from it, almost all the things that flowed from it. i was discussing and i was seeing senator george mitchell as the middle east. peace on boy in the 1st obama term talking about i somewhere have a document or how to document when i was in government that list a number of these things. and so it was a matter of moving forward, the president trump, in this case, or jared cushion, or was standing on the shoulders of his predecessors in moving forward on this, which is true for most us presidents in foreign policy. uh, president, trump, unlike other presents, has not to credit anyone else with his success and blame everyone else 1st failures . and so in that case, this is consistent. but the,

every mccourt i agree with you provide a very useful framework. and in fact, i know that the moratti's used even their signing of the accords as something to help house indians in the immediate because this was at a time where the net to yahoo government prior netanyahu government that believe it or not was not as right wing is the current net right who govern government? i was talking about and accessing the west bank. and so the m right is my understanding is it's a kind of price for signature. allow you to know that that's the case elusive act. they know how to proceed, how they had not gotten the agreement not to. i don't know how permanent that agreement is, that it was a public declaration, right? nothing onset, other things that you have some follow up on but, but so in that case it, but it's an example of using the prostate getting progress from the past initiative abraham accords. i think others thinking towards the united states very much wants to have joined for example,

the saudis have tremendous leverage at this point if they are really committed to the key aspects of a palestinian state. and certainly we have, they are a weak initiative that was started by, um, uh, by the former king of saudi arabia, king king abdullah, a saudi arabia at that point they have the basis for being able to say you want us and this, here are the things that need to happen with respect to the past and, and so there's a separate issue on, on for both cost and the and, and is really leadership of how to get them to the place on both sides where they're capable of actually getting to that horizon of a 2 state solution where there's another problem percolating and that's the way the rest of the world looks at this. and it looks at us values as deployed and it sort of sees perhaps double standards, less listen to this, especially with a anthony blinking chase. and speaking of the un security council in february this year, we must continue to document russia's war crimes and crimes against humanity. and

share this evidence with investigators and prosecutors. so that one day, the perpetrators can be held accountable. day after day of russia's atrocities. it's easy to become known to the heart, to lose our ability to feel shocked and outreach. but we can never elect the crimes brushes committing become our new normal butcher is not normal. mary, a fault is not normal. your pin is not normal. the bombing schools and hospitals and apartment buildings, the rubble is not normal. some are, you know, these principles i do as well. that, you know, with tony blinking, i know him to be sincere about that concern. but we see today in israel's response to the terror attacks i, you know, i kind of acceptance and i think that's been a lot of the criticism of enormous, you know, edison depths and, and i guess the question is, are we losing,

to some degree calls the global south or many other nations, the world that said you're, you're with these kinds of values when it's convenient, but not when it's not. what are your thoughts? uh, i have a lot of thoughts, steve. and they start with the problem to me of using that clip and trying to draw on the analogy between that clip and what's happening in terms of israel defending itself. and going after her moss and gaza. and i would come to the loss of armed conflict and civilian casualties. but that's highly problematic because i, what you're implying by that clip is that russia and israel are alike in what they're doing and how they're doing it. russia is the country that invaded sure. another country, israel was responding to the home off of a invasion of israel. right? and so it's in terms of the laws of arm conflict, very different situations. but the laws of arm conflict all require that your military ends and needs are aligned, and that in pursuing them,

you are mitigating to the fullest extent possible civilian casualties. so how do you better communicate that message was, people wonder, does the united states have different standards in the way it kind of looks at these issues? i would tell them, you know, president biden has been expressing concern about the boss of civilian life, etc. i don't see us winning that argument or at least in a convincing way, yet as nations lineup, critiquing. both is real in the united states. i. i believe what everybody who speaks about this should be doing is speaking with honesty and directness and the greatest clarity possible. i certainly try to do that and i'm not in government. i just believe strongly in what the united states government is doing and how it's doing it. and uh, and i try and as many places as i can. but i think there are many people like me inside and outside the government. i think one of the things, steve, that it's impossible, it's important to address though, is the, the challenges of decades in how the world views israel versus how they may view

the palestinians. what is how both entities are used, frankly, massed for other views. people have and other politics people have and then layers out on top of the information environment where we live in today. the amount of missing this information. we have. the fact that earlier in the show you referenced the younger generation united states not supporting press the button, that same generation more than a 3rd of them gets their primary and use some tick tock, which is controlled by a foreign entity. that again, goes back to is one of the biggest threats benighted states. china ultimately controls take talking the information on there. um and uh, in general, in our social media there is no such thing as the fact checking that journalist from traditional mainstream media have to go through. and so the amount of missing this information is ramping on things on a ways in which people drive their primary new sources. and so that further

complicates the situation, which is why i think ultimately to answer your question, to go back to one of my favorite bosses, former congressman. we hamilton in terms of the house foreign affairs committee. if you're a policy leader, you need to figure out what the right thing to do is and then navigate the path to getting there, which includes how you communicate publicly. but you can't allow public reactions to what is often missing this information. take you off the path of what you know the right thing to do is, you know, you worked with senator george mitchell and i interviewed him many times and i would ask him about his role is crisis. and he said, look, we just have to tell both parties, give us a call in 400 years when you have your enlightenment and you, you know, kind of grow up and you understand the consequences of fanaticism on, are you going on on both sides? i know you don't share that view that, that this is, but do you have any hope that given what we're seeing unfold today,

that we can actually come back and reset a different equilibrium that takes us genuinely in a different direction because i'm in a problem right? now where i don't see how a 2 state solution is viable, love to hear you argue with me. um, but i also know the status quote was not viable and i don't know where it goes. it didn't continue to be a convulsive volcano. yeah, i strongly disagree with cetera. mitchell view coming back to my point about that it does not serve american interest. right. that makes the world a much more unstable place. and i do see, i don't know if i call it hope but but listen, i'm always all about them. use a phrase that is that may have been coined by the former prime minister arch around. so i say, but i focus on facts on the ground. he used it in reference to settlements, i as in a very different way, what are the facts that you have and how can you align them to work towards what your goals are. and so i actually think when we're beyond the immediate complex

than that and going to involve a lot of careful of negotiation and diplomacy, which i believe is ongoing. but i don't think that the, that the truth crude right now is going to last long term. i wish it was. i think if i'm likely so when we're beyond this immediate conflict, there will be a reckoning in the as really government for sure. and i think it is unlikely, the prime minister netanyahu remains prime minister after that reckoning. i think it is unlikely that his far right coalition remains in power. i think what is far more likely as the pentagon to lots of my check was leading by significant percentage points in pulling and israel and a kind of center said trust kind of gives k might tell us what that would change so that again, it's not an immediate this, it's not like, and we shouldn't be talking about there being 2 states tomorrow, right?

but you end up with a government whose politics are structured differently. we already know that these rarely policy writ large was turning over the very threats to the existence of their democracy by due to show over the overall. right. so we know there's a deep commitment. it is really democracy to what i would say is a democratic state that is a homeland for the jewish people. if you want those things, you must then get to a palestinian state and i would actually suggest people go back and read the speech . the president clinton gave on january 7th, 2001. because i challenge people who tell me that i tie in the sky 2 states never real. to go back and read that address by president clinton and tell me what is no longer accurate in that what is no longer feasible. i would use the parameters that he laid out in that january 7th, 2001 speech as on the horizon. and then figure out

a step by step, which again we don't have time on the show to do what we need to do, what outside parties need to do and how we need to help policies as well as get to the point where they could execute on those, perhaps it's a great reference, let me ask you on the military side of this with how much is real in industry netanyahu have set out to destroy yamaha? so the question is, is it militarily destroy able? it's what raises the question of whether the goal is achievable, particularly when the last election was held in palestine. i minus one. so i think part of this question is, do you think it's there is a pathway politically for something other than how mosse down the road? yeah. palestine side. yes. i do think there's not turned to moss. i know a number of persons in gaza as well as in the west bank and let's be clear, there is no love lost among the bulk of the past. the population from us as a,

as leaders, they have not let in a way that shows any commitment to the past name people into the basic needs of the past and in people in gaza. and many, many persons in gaza would say that even today if they were actually free to be able to speak about it. so i think it's important to hold that thought in mind. i do not think if there was an election on october 6th in gaza, tomas would be winning and yet again, with a hostage release, and the prisoner's release that is occurring to their favor politically. and at the same time, post indians to process favor to mazda stay for absolutely. the past name, prisoners are a huge political issue, going back to kind of what different leaders need. it further hurts the policy and authority leadership file to leadership and present the boss and, and enhances him off when prisoners are released in exchange for hostages at, at $2.00 to $1.00 numbers. part of the task trade off of the situation that israel

was in uh to agree to that and also among palestinians. no love lost for the policy is already leadership. so that's a challenge. i listen, i actually think if you ask most israelis though about their own leadership, you'd have similar responses. it's one of the many things the customers as well as having comments. they have been it has been a long time since either was well represented by their leadership. let me ask you finally. i'm interested in the sort of day after questions about stakeholders, and this is a look at air to one of turkey and his comments about how my supportive of from us to me, it looks like positioning for turkey to be involved in this equation in the future . maybe i'm wrong. i see china taking surprising stance, you know, out there and maybe appealing to the so called global self in,

in this area. what do you see iran, you know, clearly as, as been involved. do you see any way in which the us would begin negotiating? what bringing in other global stakeholders as part of this? or is that something that would really undermine american interest? i would distinguish among the actors that you're talking about, china and russia. have anti us goals and what they're doing front center, and anyone who believes that they care about the past and in people or the as rarely people. i said, i look a little bit at history and look at lot of what they've done in the last 10 and 20 years and do some serious re thinking a turkey is a different situation in the sense that already gone to a member of nato. then talk is a member of nato, a, an oregon has, are the cons position, visiting him off is not new. right, but i was on the ground for an extended period in june of

2010. i believe when the photo had launched from turkey, um, to gaza and created uh, what is compared to where we are now very small scale set of challenges, but that was instigated by already gone on in turkey. so i so i in one way or another, figuring out how to deal with him because of the role he plays. i, i think has been ongoing. so i don't think that's something know the key players on this are egypt and jordan for sure. um. and the saudis, man, moratti's and others in the region who have shown leadership at various points in time and who have their own internal challenges as well and how they approach the session. well, i want to thank you for your candidate for joining us today. mar redmond, former us diplomats to the middle east peace process, and currently the james r schlessinger distinguished professor at the university of virginia. really appreciate you. thanks. thank you very much. i. so what's the bottom line?

it seems to me that the only reason leaders still talk about the 2 state solution even when they know deep down in their hearts. and it's never gonna happen is because there are no other alternatives. but they also know that the status quote of occupation and injustices are just going to keep exploding. in the end, people need the opportunity to live for filling lives with big city and self determination. my guess says the us should keep trying, but maybe it's time for other states, the way it like turkey or china. the us just kit credibly deliver for both sides anymore. the world has to up the game and realize that sweeping the palestine problem under the rug is a real and a global security risk. and that's the bottom line. the we're looking at the sort of the breach points through which,

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we're seeing now. the bound persecution is collateral damage. that's more, that's cool for w a r addressing tough question upfront on how to 0. the damage in the house of green, the big evidence of the quakes that prompted it's about q way sion on friday. something emission of toxic gas, a possible pre closer to interruption was enough growth ortiz to order everyone out . this be nothing on the scale of this emergency since interruption in the 13th century. for the fan i just put in the sheila and the people who live here is that this isn't just about an image interruption. it's about a long term shift into a much more volcanic reactive and dangerous phase. we could, peterson, has been monitoring iceland, skeletal geology for more than 20 years. she says, what's happened to the last few days is evidence of a transition that could last centuries. the peninsula will be dormant until a new activity period starts. and that can also last several 100 some years.

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