because each part of my identity points is you don't often hear, i almost forgot how my life used to be before the english and the gaza strip. started connect with our community and talking to conversations you will find elsewhere, brand new episodes of the stream on how does the or the fuse radio. i mean it has been expanding its attacks in central and southern gaza any 2 months into this conflict. the us as use some of its strongest language to date, warning as well to protect civilians which is how long come this won't go on for? what would a victory look like? this is inside story, the

hello there and welcome to the program. i'm nora. kyle is wells minute tree has resumed its full scale attack on the gauze of strep, launching strikes on hospitals and crowded residential areas. nearly 16000 palestinians of now being killed since early october. not vega is rising by the hour. the limited number of a trunk ceiling into the strip and nowhere near enough to meet the needs of millions of desperate people. and often nearly 2 months of wool, israel's biggest ally appears to be change. it gets tone, i'm warning against civilian deaths and awesome us actually a defense lloyd austin says as well, risks, a strategic defense. if it doesn't to move to protect civilians, it's a sentiment being shared by all the senior us officials. so what's behind this? some warning from washington put that to our guest and just a moment 1st, this report from sent to them. want to have a clear with wanting to israel from

it's most important to highlight us defense x the lloyd austin made his concerns clear. it is real. doesn't do more to prevent civilian desks and gaza. it's more is doomed to fail in the long run. you see this kind of a fight. the center of gravity is the civilian population. and if you drive them into the arms of the enemy, you replace a technical victory with the strategic a fee. so i have repeatedly made clear to israel's leaders that protecting tell us that in civilians and gaza is both a more responsibility and a strategic impaired just days earlier. the us extra estate also irs israel to adjusted strategy more than 15000 palestinians have been killed by israeli forces and gaza and shortages of essential supplies are making life. they're nearly impossible. i made clear that after it was imperative that is real, put in place. clear protections for civilians,

emphasis standing and measuring assistance going forward. while israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu has admitted his forces has failed to minimize civilian deaths, he placed the blame on him off. israel accuses the arm group of placing its military assets and civilian buildings going without providing much evidence from us. wants to kill as many as well as, as possible and has no regard whatsoever to publish city and lives as every day they perpetrate. a double walk on targeting are civilians while hiding behind their civilities and bedding themselves in the civilian population and using them as human shields. israel's bobbing campaign has reduced entire neighborhoods to rubble and displaced hundreds of thousands of palestinians . many in the international community, including the un secretary general of cold on israel, to rethink a strategy and do more to protect civilians. now with the u. s. is closest out like

joining the chorus. it's not clear yet. israel will change its tactics. vince and mulligan for inside story the well as bring in all guess now and, and romano bush or kelly, the policy lead and the occupied palestinian territory. and israel at oaks firm in brussels, elijah might be a military and political analyst. and, and kyra who's saying how are you the former assistant foreign minister of egypt. welcome to all of you, elijah, my can these are some of the strongest or be strongest mornings for israel protect civilians that we've heard publicly from the us. why are we hearing them now? i think it's very interesting to hear that the americans all taking some distance of what is right, is committing as barden

a things the national laws and all of us crimes against humanity and will crimes into something they are so heavy is really the american afflictions saying that the user eighty's can not continue getting civilians and they have to be careful and how long does that? so that is 1st of all and the knowledge meant that is right. it is indeed fitting civilians. and the result of the page we have 16000 people dealt with the 70 to 80 percent all civilians. secondly is why the americans all sang it and if that a so some purposes now is not to any purpose because these really continue little effort. this is going to put them there to the ministry operations. it is not obviously because yes, and they was the most intensive bombardments on guns and what is to find the

toughest and to my view, the find, the purpose is more also the presidential us campaigns because there is no strict positions that the americas is taking to the is really that they have to stop there will all children and women because this is the only factor to victory that they have achieved. so ha, how are they? a former on boss of the i'm from no time in the egyptian foreign ministry. you've got experience of the diplomatic machinery between the us and israel. how far do you think israel is likely to hear these done a warnings from the us? and i'll check my them. uh, let me express my my, my so that t, with the processing and the resistance and what the processing and keep are and the governors too. and my thoughts and the thoughts of many issues change the majority

of restrictions go out for the more than 16000, but i seen yet as who died to have died under the is what i hear the bombard. having said so i guess in the not far distant future, these are the you will come in a would have to listen, would have to hear the messages. for late, this message is coming out. the question was there on the part of you uh, united states presidential biden or the secretary of state. uh tony, blinking or late the gentleman fluids. austin the uh, percentage of defense. i guess the message is coming out of washington loud and clear. we are the one step, one step away from the american administration,

quoting for sci fi. why don't we now the, the, the, they, the, the question is not to whether it was good for the sci fi, but the question is, uh, probably what it would do. so my person to speak on the, on the positions of the senior american officials, is that eh, we could in the next few weeks hear the words east, fire coming out of washington. okay. the, the eliza black hold on that one point to the do you agree that with one step away from the us cooling for a cease 5 because that certainly not on the table in a moment. yes. we all, they pharmacies fine because these really haven't achieved any of the objectives. this is why i called sol, solved these leaves facing a dr. good fee because they claim they have to buy 40 percent. also got

a wage off of it is an open at agriculture to re secondly, we've seen how the senior resistance are inflicting heavy thought. indeed, on these retail complexion full to and said, we've seen every single day. they put a senior resistant, capable of bombing the forensic days and the years including diabetes. and that happened this morning. and also we have seen how the release of the cost is happens in the hall of the law. so the guides uh, where the police, seeing that resistance is not yet in direct contact on daily basis with these readings because these are, these are too afraid to be in contact in this area, i guess the, for the senior resistance. so a cheap, according for sci fi, and now we are so far away because that me adult or the feed for being,

i mean that the now for his life when the government all trusting to a, also at a resignation. and if he does an inmate owners guides up to 815 years, and then he will go directly to j. as in the advantage of that, then you know, to continue. this will be x for the all differences with the americans, because the americans understand the best way to expose the weakness of what used to be called the strongest all me in the city. and then turns out that the bass opened a senior resistance confronting this. a tremendous army that is capable. bombarding has a tremendous fight a pilot, but is afraid to confront it, but a senior resistance on the wrong. busy okay, i like to get back to the stage of the battlefield and just a moment before we get to the so booked down in that i want to bring in bushera because we need to get some, a very clear picture of what we actually pull king about when the us is wanting to

protect civilians, how much civilians need these kind of warnings for israel to do more bushera. so successful, i broke down on friday. we've seen some of the most intense fighting in gauze and strikes on the south. can you bring us up to speed but what the people, the a software a lot that having to put up with i 1st want to talk about the sense of safety that has been completely eroded, mainly in children. because children form part of how hope goes as population and, and, and this sense of safety 0 did because of course, it's already eroded from, you know, 6 previous military escalations living under brutal c is really, you know, illegal seeds collectively promising, you know, an entire population for over 16 years, but it's even more eroded because now they have been displaced once twice. we know

of colleagues who a bit to, to this place up to 6 times in the last 8 weeks and, and uh, i have my own in laws that are involved. and right now, the worry is not just spending hours to find water spending hours to find food and trying to, you know, adapt to this new way of life with no electricity and no washing machines and no ovens and no gas stoves. i know, you know, eh, garza is, you know, is not, is not, was not the middle ages. uh, before the 7th of october, it was yes, very poor and people are definitely dependent on aid. but people who are not, you know, making bread and over would fires and heating water over what fires. so, you know, on top of adapting to this new way of life, people are having to worry about when is my turn to leave again and,

and even my nephews are talking about mom. can you make us a backpack with our stuff on our own? because we never know what happened, something might happen to you and i don't want you to have my things with you, you know, and he's 7 years old. so that is the, the, the, the maturity that we're forcing children into and gaza. and with these multiple evacuation orders within where safe to go, and with the completely collapsed um wash system, no electricity and no comm lines. uh, i think that's the mental health aspect. beyond being hungry and thirsty is also something that now is beginning to show with people just really losing help. and bush where people are being told by these ready notate to move further. and further south. there's 1800000 people in the south already. so many of them displaced from the north. they've moved to 3 full times already. moving further south towards rafa

tools, the crossing towards the border with egypt most exists in that area. full the what infrastructure, what shelter, what food, what morsa? well, we're talking about 60 percent of the entire gaza strip. um, uh, being bombarded what we've seen over the last 4 days. we're talking about carpet bombing of the entire neighborhood. we already have reports back, a washing construction being completely damaged, a shelters having been struck over the weekend as well, both in the north and in the south and a non operational health sector. i mean, we cannot say that the current hospitals that are in the south that are partially operating our operating health system. it's not a squeezing people into a place that's a be basically as big as london heathrow airport. we're talking about 1800000 people in an airport just so that i can kind of pick the picture to people who don't really understand how small bozza is. it's already over populated,

it's actually in humane and actually not only makes it impossible to, to deliver aid to 1800000 people in one place. it's much actually easier when you have salters all around and different distribution points because you relieve the pressure off one. but you increase the the, the risk of disease that which we're already saying was already report to colorado, i guess are into right. this is spread like wildfire and dogs are right now. people are been sick for the last month. my family has been sick and are not getting better because the additions are not allowing for them to get better and squeezing people into into that. basically, it does not absolve israel of its duties and obligation under and task them all actually in fact, is it could amount to serious violation or serious re breach. i can tell you monetary law forcing people into a small affairs and also historically just want to add one point in historically,

these kind of safer spaces or safe zones or, you know, humanitarian areas as they've been done in the last couple weeks. actually have brought more harm on to civilian population than actually meeting that needs. so, okay, it is extremely concerning a on her site and as you see people being pushed closer and closer to rafa to this something positive goal. so which folders, egypt, what is the conversation in cairo as you see this movement of people? of course, here in egypt that is new have certainty. then one of the objectives of the use of a even minutes it can be, or a connection dentist does. uh, is to push the opinions to towards sinai and on the other 10, the same is taking place in the west bank in light of the

uh, harassment by the settlers. again is the biggest thing is every way to endorse back . to the extent that they have been, uh, issuing pamphlets, warning, the palestinians that the 2nd mega is on the way. and so he to asian pete in egypt . the maternity believes that this is the next move on the part of days. i use that all thermal executive of this war against the palestinians in gaza. and in the west bank is supposed to the palestinians towards sinai. eh, from gaza and the, what the attempts in government with the federal se, se ever accepts that no, uh, of course, uh for the last, uh, 8 weeks a ship that has, has, has, it, has been endorsed, was the american administration and warning against the force

displacement of the seniors and the american administration has adopted and has supported the is accept position and, and, and we keep of egypt and government to keep saying keep repeating its warning that it was upset. the force, especially the displacement of the spanish indians towards signed. i look forward to slide you, let me just bring you in the because it does seem that we are getting warnings from all sides as well. not to act in some ways, but as well doesn't seem to paying any attention. well, leverage can be brought to as well either from egypt or the us. busy or any of the other countries that are currently giving it a green light us this is a very excellent questions. actually. all the countries are doing virtually nothing to support the state in

a box from talking and rejecting what's happening and is right. it understands that there is no weight from the countries who have a lot of strains for and leverage cost to play against is right and against the americans to full to cease fire. to open a boulder, all the countries were not able to great true egypt. the ra grossi was saying, the try, without the approval of these really well, tom, 2 shots and counting how many truck was in the trucks and where these trucks can go and to hold. so we have seen the positions of the country extremely we to the point and that there is no cut off to the relationship with age when we only have seen the record and some boxes that these really understand that the man

and the whole, all these backs are those were down to that functions, we actually need to stream the shot and yet let's let her saying i have a chance to respond to that. so what's your response to elijah's comments that our country is a doing nothing. in particular, why cons egypt open and control the rough across thing itself? we do accept size under crossing eh. busy and pete, it's a, it's a, it's a b, we are flying our sovereignty on the outside crossing. there's a chance that come to the crossing because they're not crossing has 2 sides opinion and addiction one. so why, why this raise as so much in charge of them? you know, when the, the, the, the is a, is the do 6 in order to prevent, of course, this is an excuse to prevent this modeling of weapons inside. gotcha. but i think

03. what phase checks at this point in time given how much they slow up the amounts of 8, that is which and goals are they've had from bushera. people desperately need more a to gets in, but it is, these is writing the checks, then stopping, not the best. that's fine. that's right. not a man. and that's why it be in an hour uh, diplomatic conversation with the american administration. we keep insisting, we keep insisting on the absolute need to increase any money, any assistance to, to does a to, to gas up. and in fact, that the americans and the americans have a positively, uh responded to our request. and they have promised before the, of course, the exemption also send it is in guys that uh they promised, uh, or they talked about no, not less than $100.00 would. uh, and their,

uh, their f i had crossing good on a daily basis. so our, our diplomatic concept, so with the american administration, is continuing. and of course, as we, as we have witnessed in the last few days, the american position visa either or one situation and it does the same, is imposing. and we have noticed that it's, it's evolving of, by very slowly evolving. if i may use the stir in the direction that we would like to see to do, okay. so let's just bring the bush or back into this conversation. so again, bring as discussion to events on the ground and you can have from who's saying and the reality is that the turning towards the war towards israel is evolving, but it's involving slowly is homes of old, slightly kind of, there is no time full and the evaluation and the types of promises of trucks. what

needs to happen now? i mean, the child said that we are at the brink of academics that might kill more people than mom's house. so, you know, and it's not just about the trucks and the trucks, you know, is a small, me, it's a need, but it's about the crossings in israel being open, it's about restoring water. it's about restoring electricity from israel into the strip and bringing in tax of aid and some flower and some water, and some blankets is not enough and does not meet the current needs. and the we're talking about i, i said, is 60 percent of gossip being a part interval with you about almost $10000.00 bodies under the rubble who are, you know, what about, you know, bringing those relatives and family members. and fathers and mothers, roads are completely damaged even in terms of delivering the new truck is, is, is

a challenge inside. we're also having checks inside the, by the arm troops. so, you know, we're in, in, there's a principle of unfettered humanitarian access and international law. all of these are feathered to our access, as humanitarian. we're not even allow it in to carry out assessments. it to carry out repairs. there's a lot of materials that are not allowed in very simple materials like the seats of a wash latrines we're trying to get in. that's not that's been restricted. so it and we have the optical and it's much as low. it's not enough. and really it's, it's, it's like i said eroding that sense of health and safety and nonsense and the long term impact of that is also something that we should be considering. you know, that's a bring back allies at this point because i want to get back to what the us action state load. austin said. he said that the left is where

a risks strategic to feed. if it doesn't protect civilians more. what does strategic defeat look like? in my mind, it is already a strategic receipts above all for the senior resistance in god that manage to stop the old my thing is really occupation full service at the gates of guys and then sort of a tiny geographic area. and at the end of the day, it's not bad that they are on north interfering because it seems that the for the seniors can manage on their own to change needs variety. all mean, this is already something that the americans off for the a well because they think they include had they understand that these really in 50 days the no ma'am as to all to buy and control because they need to control it. 20 percent of the reservation area of northern guys that that is

a strategic the fee that's visual and has lost a image and the whole world. and it shows how when you have determined people to stand against the occupation forces, no matter how old are they all became has magic and understand it as well. i guess the children and the women, but not against the man of the senior resistance. okay, i'm also the holiday. i read a do you believe that as well as already suffered, a strategic that the faithful is the time for a turnaround? i guess after almost almost 8 weeks of the cost and to bombardment, it was the exception of the 7 day pause. the end of the last 58, they haven't the, is that a ottoman army has for you to achieve the objectives. that

is really nice, or these are the prime minister. had announced on october 7th. and he keeps repeating them, namely the destruction of thomas the release of the hostages. and to make sure that the guards, as they would, would impose today to evaluate a security nothing, nothing a piece of check stubs has been a lot so far. and so the site is in a dilemma, and uh, they cannot speak off of achieving ministry, the 3 to 8 weeks of a non stop bombardment, and the best thanks entering and get some major assistance in the guys as that. so of course is the customer assistance, but the thing is this, this is showing the termination,

i'm sure we have to leave all discussion today who say and how does the apologies for interrupting your final on so the but we definitely understood your point. many things to overall guess. bush right. kelly, the elijah mike now and who's a high rating and thank you to for watching it and see the program again. any time by visiting our website this i'll just share adult calm file discussion to visual a facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. you want to join the conversation on x on handle is a j inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here is by for that the the government which is

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