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attacking civilians. why do you think my chrome was the 1st to speak up on this? what actually in, in the sounds good. so it was a bit of balancing act because the very beginning of the crisis has made very, very poor. he's highly dig a ration. and he has being criticized of to watch to be unbalanced. they're really deal francy, is that we have the 1st jewish community o w united stage. and we have the 1st the most important muslim community in your group. so there is a partner about balancing act because between these 2 communities, because of course, uh the, the defend use off mainly supporting his child and the french mostly, and so mainly supporting the battery scenes. so it's, well, i should say it's a, it's not the unit that i show a problem for, as it's also a domestic boy to go to problem. so the french authorities are,
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can be doomed to find a ride balancing position. it's interesting because even though it's a balancing act, as you say that chrome was still able to speak up before a lot of other people in the you. why do you think the problem was among the 1st to speak up about this? well 1st i should say that most of the european countries and the majority of the world beyond countries because of the harvest men because of the atrocities of what have my says done are mainly or shoot. 14 hours reporting is filed around and there is also the problem and studying the memories sending from the 2nd world war, which makes most of the a little bit. and countries very cautious about criticizing about could you sizing is filed, especially that's especially to gaze off of course of all for germany. most of your, this is down a little bit and countries all fee of silly issue board use high or whatever you
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file is, is doing. so, you know, sense it was up to friends to try to a, to speak up. but as i've told you, it has also to be uh, to have a balanced approach, very associates, higher end versus diabetic genes because of our domestic constraints. is that why it took so long to call for the things? why are we? we're still weeks into the environment. 11000 palestinians had already been killed by the time he called for a cease fire. what caused the delay? well 1st i think you have to understand that uh the description of the atrocities committed by to have mass as created. i should say a lot of emotion in there. you won't be in public opinion. what happens when, how much has done these sol renders be owned and you description that, you know, says everybody has considered that each file has the right to defend itself. and
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that you, in any case, the immediate area probation, you guys eyes very difficult because of to me, you have a self, you not be don'ts. so i think it does being a slow process of willy, off of moving for really the, your been very weak opinion has been moving to washed of board and just telling their use highly use, you know, the time ice. com all for truce, all the die mice come for a ceasefire on november 20th from twitter. you said uh not being a military expert, i refrain from commenting on the is really operation in gaza, but i do not see it's credible strategic objective. now, here's will, of course, states its objectives are a return of all hostages, the destruction of masses, of military capabilities, and how much is governing capabilities up, why do you believe that these objectives aren't credible or strategic? you know, that's, that's a question. you know, really on one side, uh, you know,
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when, if your issue where there is funny going month on october, the h. uh, the question mark is water is why you go ahead and get that done. and it was not going to negotiate. what would that be in your advice and your advice would be, well, you have to negotiate with the high mass to get the release of deal stages because it would have from there. and we really talked or strategic victoria, you have to have mass. now i think the relation you made quite shown is, what is the start? did you go off of the off of these higher because, you know, is higher, keel was an actually, is cooling. so how nice achieves is high all calm, destroy, and these destroying. so i'm how mouse infrastructures, but at the end of the day, we know that there will be in you have mass cheese younger, you know, coming uh you know where your items into a free meals and maybe diary infrastructure we'd be able to build. so you've got an
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doubt saying to this, to go really same set to day, but what, what is the goal of these filings? and at the same time you can say, but use high l was a life too long attribute to real or engulfing should be based on what you just said. one could believe that is real, has no choice, but to accept the long term presence of him as if you're saying that they'll always be reproduced. there will always be new fighter is new structures, new weapons, new sources, new resources. if that's the case, it is, is real to just accept the existence of her mouth as a practical matter, still has a problem and, and again, the atrocities of october, the 7th. it shouldn't be considered only has, will, you know, at one time event, a task created a new situation. where for a need is how you government any is why you don't, i'm not, it will be impossible to negotiate with you to have us. it's, it's,
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it's really so renders that only dates it's such a national total amount. and if it's so natural or full, my 1st choice to do is of course in a human sense. but also this touches the feet. so it's really a and that's the reason why i'm quite presume estate because i don't see i don't see any way out to be frank. because if i could think of a strategy victoria, you always file, i would say ok now going to to try to, to, to, to reach this the school, but i don't see it. but at the same time, i don't see, oh, we could definitely and you negotiation. so i different, i fear that we haven't, you know, did there. and, and that is why, at least going to go on being bone being, getting mom, being a boat that is at the same time, you know, really, if i use that, you raise guys up what we'd be different because how much we're still be there when steel gone toward the territory. so it's a very, it's a,
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it's an already goal. it's each with you and only bore situation. you also said the october 7th massacre was not only a human tragedy you say, but also a strategic defeat. for israel, the mit of it's in vital nobility is broken. it doesn't have any credible way to restore it. if that's true, is you say, what does this mean for israel moving forward? what's at stake as well? the soonest? it's impossible to identified. i should say you're in state of the operation, which one did i store the episode with superiority off of the is highly media diarrhea practice so that there is a big question mark for, for you style and, and the future. you can have, i think, 2 ways of uh, forward one would be basically saying, let's go back to the play. october's a 7 situation. we're still really best a best morning drawing,
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assist them on the borders off of the guys that sweep really, you know, stands going back to, to stay to school before as you can give an or less and put it by this year. so, you know, trying to think in terms of these heidi's, you know, you know, sense what they did a 1190 and 206. you remember that way it was there, you can make a comparison because the as well i had a success. oh, really unexpected success getting i think age is heidi soul use. there is heidi is a really invaded light, but none. there was no identifiable objective, but at the same time, during that structure, this was search that the next call out to adopt her as well. i was obliged to apologize to delay by niece, and i'm sure that it so i just won't get them on to day folder as board are not doing job, you know, to bring back the destruction of a button dirty by nice dirty, but useful creation. so maybe that's watch these higher, these are trying to do, giving really making the population of guys i suffer so much that next time i
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think the people are more detail, they will have boss never again, that's may be an explanation. i should say. it says, i think it's the most likely i would come of these crisis, and that would be a 2nd way forward, which would be a negotiation. but on the 2 was to 2 states orders, right? but negotiating, you need to sides. and as i've said, there is most bodies inside because the body show the storage, the storage is credited. you know, it does not face the election since 2006 and have minus after what you does done is not acceptable. but so these are the side item neither. you don't have a side full negotiation because the front right above our non duty is 25. government is still 3 against the idea of creating a bodies in state. and actually it was in the process, an easy enough process or for next thing, the worst band last week. prime minister benjamin netanyahu met with members of his
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party. and reportedly he stated, quote, i am the only one who will prevent a palestinian state in guys a and the west bank after the war. this of course, is contrary to the us and he, you positions which have strongly advocated for a 2 state solution. do you believe the u. s. the, what other western countries have the cloud to pressure israel into a political resolution with palestinians? uh, as long as nothing yahoo remains in power. no, i think it's do you know that's that to us before he died was i was making the both sides of today unable to go to peace by themselves. as i said, nobody in leadership, and on the other side you have a nice, highly 5 right government. and it's not all ready to question over. they've done. yeah. we're in sales because you've got an improved i don't. yeah, we use 40 degree dad after the what happened on october the 7th, but what i,
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i would think is what matters less than the uh, the government enjoys. and these based on the public opinion. because the majority of the site email that'd be continuing. i think is, i don't know, did you find these all, i'm not joking, i'll not working for peace. now looking for security, because it's a very because of the treasury, the story of the jewish people ego and you, if you can say, but these higher, these are secure with the super power in the, in the me to at least actually these people are really deeply in 6, your and our duty convinced that actually to but as you want to uh, to give them to expel them and of course have to go don't go to simmons, it does that mean forced, there is security. so what you have to do is to convince the these how the public opinion that actually is there are 2 states, it would be more peaceful and more secure for them. so since everything is
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blocked between both sides in the gym for, it will be very important if the hub countries but also the, you and the united states, you know, really try to convince the ease, highly ease uh that actually they can move forward. and so that's why we need a strong involvement of the international know to community it needs not the question of play. sure. because, you know, putting pressure on use, i never words the ease heidi's are ready to raise these to, to pressure if they've gone through the that they have security is, is that, is that state and, and on the american side, you know, more than they do to us, it's not, you know, natick to or year that you are going to see the united states twisting the arms of the siamese, even out of the onion, adored going pain. i doubt that will ever do it, but you know, need or to come in it. you know, the electra or the homepage forget it's. so instead of the door,
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king of prussia ringing of pressure and again, and do you so i just don't care about your parents. i think it will be more, we have to be more positive creative a and we being the just do you want the uh, the uh the i'm already goes to dell. there is holly's. okay, if you accept and use a buddy's in state, at 14 kito make goes of that i leave at 5 kito mentors off off the big cool. your now i don't, i shall know that bought a year. that's the package deal. you will be bought of the for both of them either at least. maybe you'll go, you'll get an you wouldn't be associated to do. you wouldn't be and you and your donate to, you know we, we have to find a to be, to find, create the creative ways to breaking the stalemate. in mid november, 10 french diplomats working in the middle east and north africa. i sent a confidential note to the french minister of foreign affairs in which they criticized president my crowns. a pro is real stance. they said that it ruptures
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francis historically, as you alluded to earlier, balance to position on israel palestine. the french newspaper left the girl called this a, quote, unprecedented gesture in the recent history of french diplomacy in the arab world. what does it say that they felt the need to write this? does it speak to a kind of wider descent within the macro and ministration as well? i think, you know, as i told you in the very beginning, the 1st reaction of, of a menu item i called to the doc, the october 7. so tired was really a need, a conditional support of, of each child and, and i need assistance. i think he went maybe too far and, and the recalls back to you really, it went too far because after that it sounded as interest you fighting and approving the mutare degrees higher though you find immediate our intervention. we've always gone sequences what days and place it done to it actually is not the
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report of the deep romance. because of course, in the, the wordpress she, you are able and, and you are allowed to make your own. your view is known. the fact was that it was made public and that is unprecedented because each each was of no more, i should say bureaucratic process made a normal made public and we should of course have po does quite resizing the president. yeah, we seem similar defense internally in united states and similar leaks happened. there was a memo that was linked by political here in the united states. it's a quote when israel support settler violence and a legal land seizures or employees, excessive use of force against the palestinians. we must communicate publicly that this goes against our american values. is that a sign of hope that both in france and the united states as your lead hearing about the same, the fact that it's linking to the public could be a sign of something here?
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no. and i think there is a strong difference between the fries in the us because 1st in terms of influence on the, on the region. but also in terms of, i should say, i try dish and order alignment off. i'm already going forward a see to twist 5 to to do you study policy. the united states as being for gauge now are you seeing got 3 is seems the mad to read conference in 1991 and george bush baker died actually has been 100 percent. your board change as your board changes file we just not being the case. so for all, for friends, donations you between friends and you, you and you try. it actually has always been a bit uncomfortable. but i think on the american side, i think joe biden knows that you count as a side for different reasons, whitley elect, or the reasons in the us. but also the usual is highly reaction to pressure
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that you can pressure willie each file. so we yes, tried to nudge is kyle, you know i, you have braces high out. i said to class, cover years there and i show to east ohio that i've used best friend in the hold that actually use i had we least said to me, to and, and unfortunately by doing these bumping into 2 upstate goals, one is that actually slightly is not listening to the u. s. as we say, as we see the sir to know in the, in the media gallery operation. and 2nd, is that actually it's very devising in the democratic party anywhere in the us that suddenly, which is quite new. you, we have seen a touch tone bought, i rarely bought off the democratic parties, the left of the democratic party to your do you in particular, you know, suddenly becoming very crazy, very critical off of each child which makes which makes of cultural bi, done very,
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you know very difficult situation. go cedar reading that we are that the, the american salvo gene in the 12 volumes. i wanna talk about settlement expansion . it's something that you've been very outspoken about. you've talked about settlement construction and attempts to remove palestinians from the occupied westbank as a form of quote, ethnic cleansing. you've said that this isn't just uh, perpetrated by settlers, but in fact, it's a concerted plan by the government to continue to annex more land in the west bank . can there ever be a, just a political solution when settlement expansion continues? you know, i've been always very vocal about the question of, of settlements because, you know, i was the, i'm not sure that we use file between 200 free and 206 and i traveled extensively, noise bank. i know it's really very, very, very well. i actually reaching out the west bank is also in east joe who is that i'm and i've seen, you know, really the way the 2nd amounts of settlement policy was moving forward. and i have
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talked to centers and you know, the cetera is all very uh, really frank, what they are doing is to make a data you told your compromise impossible. because basically they make a petition stage and boss impossible, big because it will be is now very narrow is it will be very difficult for a new study. going to watch, create them. and, and you'll come gina, gina, but as you, in state, you're always orgies and you set the months every where. so, you know, says my, my stance was not so measurable or stage, not even the legals because of course, set that but doesn't set their minds all legal on the international know role where each of course, violation of the full fi, uh, convention of geneva. but i think it was for digital, you know, if we'd be leaving the doors state solution, we should condemn a, we should fight against those. sit there monday. so how do you set the policy?
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and here i see you're going to click this size. i'm not cuz you are using gum or it goes, i'm not, i'm already good. but you can quite decide doing it will be on union. you know, will you the, what do you won't be in you and you in, in a sense he's, we, we and he wants to have more hor, for rain policy and a wants to ship bought a 2 state solution that was i think the point and on this issue, it as really each would i being active. and recently, since october, the 7th, the settlers are taking advantage of this situation to do what they called actually, what they call you franchise. and i don't, i didn't find the item one section of the day or ethnic said as a clint thing. you don't need the meaning that they really, they do a join the village by the age. they do a 2170 lee or really they, they try to push down the old age. uh, we've actually and the parties, israel give me the other way because you know, the domain, you start off national security g 3. so how do you mean yourself national security
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is a really fascist, and i'm not using this were a really easy lead. this world is really of especially use is being weapons to the settlers and, and basically they can do whatever they want before you go. uh, you recently stated that quote, diploma. the theme is not the long sobbing of the violins of autumn. it is grappling with reality, getting our hands dirty to piece together in, in perfect world, which will remain in perfect. it is moving within the realm of what is possible, even if it is not the realm of what is desirable. uh, i was struck by it and wanted to know what does this mean as a matter of practice, what does this mean specifically in the context of, uh, guys, uh, and israel or israel and palestine more broadly? you know, it's exactly, you know, really, it's a, it's a, it's very, it's a, it's funny that you,
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you are right doing new dawning slated actually the 1st bodies of verse of, of boy tree. and which was used to announce the g day day to the french resistance on the, on the bridge. raise your more sure. your sleep of what do you, for instance, you know, when you told me why don't we put, you know, do us and your whole pressure on the, on the east, how you government? i think has the gabriel, that my reaction was sort of free. i did speak reaction, which may have surprise to come on, man, dominion just treat. will you say, what do you still hear? well, do the world, he's a fair, was that more against all know going to do it. and secondly, aside, he's not going to gave it, you know, really i, so i was trying to find something practical by telling you what is important is to try to convince the if i need uh, do you saw the public opinion so age to date, into account what is possible and, and you can do, you can say, but it's,
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it's in a sense, it's unfair. uh, that's why the do us to doing good. we don't twist the, so these are these yes, each on fail, but life is not the same place. that's the that's, that's definitely energy. and so that's really, that's the way off as an expert, trying not to express my opinion, but really saying to the people, i'm very active on the french media. and very often i'm quite the size of old ad saying ok, i understand, you know, really for instance, of course, you probably know as to when the war because ukraine was the victim of, for the aggression. but unfortunately, there is a real world. so what to use and what, what she's possible, and so that's, that's what i'm trying to do in my, you know, most of my, my modest way. thank you, sir for your time pre, just joining us enough for us. thank you very much. bye bye. alright everyone,
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