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arabia's crown prince mohammed been psalm and say they will continue to cooperate on oil prices. pacing is it and re add on a rat overseas trip for talks on the wall and gaza. ukraine bull and the global or market facing will host a rainy and present everywhere i see in moscow. on thursday, he's been bolstering his partnerships with gulf nations, as russia faces growing isolation and functions to, to us invasion of ukraine. a powerful blast shaking and industrial area and russian control done. yes. city setting an oil that pro on 5. it isn't who is responsible for the attack or if there are any casualties? the city has been under russian control since 2014. so ukrainian forces hold positions on its outskirts and it comes under regular artillery 5 its legislation aimed at providing billions of dollars, a new security assistance for ukraine and israel was blocked in the us senate

republicans demanded tougher measures to control emigration of the border with mexico president joe biden has again urge congress to approve move funding for ukraine. i would like to speak to you today about the congress as to poll security united states. and quite frankly, we're partners. well, this cannot wait. congress needs to pass supplemental funding for ukraine before they bring through our simple is that frankly, i think it's starting to we've gotten to this point 1st. okay. you up today. that's it for me in the fall. good. i can figure it out. website out. just have a don't. com is got much more of our top story. stay with this though. the stream is next, next to watching the, the president biden says, wants a 2 state solution for palestinians and israelis. what does anybody believe it's

doable? what this is real for, i'm gonna say it back to us foreign policy and what are the long term consequences for the region and the world? a quizzical look at us politics, the bottom line, the genocide of millions of indigenous americans, the horrors of the holocaust. racial segregation in a par said south africa, some of the darkest moments in history were only overcome through solidarity compassion and a call to action. in the words of martin luther king junior. no one is free until we're all free on all these forces. and this is this train the say, see this together, we screamed the spider. no, but also the rate of return and land back the

the because that's what we said, the ultimate we're here today. we would say the israel's war on god's that has brought the world's attention back to the flight of palestinians, and their suffering is echoing beyond the posting and diaspora. and the muslim world prompting other communities to trace power calls with their own history and speak out. and some of those voices are joining us today. shawn yamaha ross is the

vice chairperson of the human rights organization, palestine solidarity campaign. she's in cape town, south africa, and stuff via from the n d and collective and envisioned as lead activist organization is joining us from los angeles. thank you both so much for being part of the show. certainly i'd like to start with you the amount of solidarity with the palestinian cause across borders and across the political spectrum is quite unprecedented. can you tell us about your case, your country? how has israel's war affected you and the work that you do with the p. c in south africa? and so i want to say for most of the african perspective, it's been so encouraging to see people massively mobilize and come out in their swarms to the streets. so um, since they are since the beginning of the genocide on october 7th, we've seen

a massive groundswell of support so much in fact that we don't have the capacity to help organize this as a p s. c. and almost every single week, there's another demonstration, another protest, another ticket in solidarity with palestine. and so i think that this is some of the biggest mass mobilization that we've seen since our own and to update movements and struggles that i think saw the africans ability to galvanized around not just the genocide of palestinians. that's happening right now. but over the course of the occupation, brutal occupations of palestine, i think we see a lot of popular support, which is incredibly encouraging. but at the same time, d concerning because i think the reason south africans are willing to take to the streets now isn't because the genocide or rather the exchanging is new. but because of the sense of urgency that we have, we know that if we don't know we're done to pressure on our governments to come to

ties to isolate israel. now, more and more lives will be lost staff. we've also been seeing scenes of solidarity like a there's ones from indigenous communities across the globe. the can you tell us more about how indigenous representatives may be seeing their own fight for recognition and self determination reflected on what's happening with palestinians. again, i would say that a lot of indigenous representatives are seeing the rise of palestinian people against is really government because this is something that we have also historically done. and so it must resonate with, with what a lot of indigenous representatives are used to seeing in their own history. and so i think a lot of indigenous people, including myself, really respect and honor the,

the posts and the palestinian people that are rising up today for you personally. was it moving? was it difficult to watch some of the scenes and, and did it resonate straight away? uh yeah, it, it actually has its affected me quite deeply for the past couple weeks. um that we've been seeing this happening in garza, and i think it's affected me personally. not because i have particularly experienced this directly in my own lifetime, but i know that it's just really and from stories that i've heard within my family and also people in my community that we have facebook before. and so it's, it's been quite easy for me to show up alongside my organization and for the palestinian cause and also to support the people at this time. and sonya is very powerful when you can actually turn pain and potentially even shame

into writing some of history's wrong. but there's also very difficult, isn't it? did you feel of those out? africans were coming together and reflecting in their own experiences from the past in order to address what is happening right now. yeah, so i think it's a particularly important time for south africans to reflect on what apply to actually means for us now. and i think what we've seen coming through on the ground is that a part a logic isn't over. and people are very resident with the feelings of apology and set the colonize ation, occupation. and they understand what it means in their lives right now. and so when we use these terms to describe the situation in palestine to describe the occupations people immediately understand and they feel that connection and they're able to say, i know what a potter news. sure now,

and i can only imagine how much worse it is under the conditions in palestine where people actually don't have access to food to water, to transport your electricity to wi fi. and so i think what we're experiencing in south africa is a hiking sense of solidarity, where we say we know how bad it was and it much we loved. it must be much, much worse for you. and so i think what's been happening, i'm sense of urgency that's kind of created as we don't want to his star size this . we don't want to in 10 years time say, oh well, what happened to these people who left god's or why, why did they just leave and kind of make it into a postcolonial discussion. we want to stop that from happening right now, and we want to preserve not only the culture but the lives of these people. on what you mention about the experience of people with a par side, we have a member of the p. c, who lived through a par side in south african centers. this message on how easy it is for him today

to call for justice and freedom in palestine. living in a plastics of africa was a date for the movie aging experience. it meant political oppression, economic exploitation, educational stunting, being socially of cost and being culturally defies. do need to talk a speedy substance actually can you see when everything seemed lost? when this seemed to be no way out of the person in the tree again? yeah, because the decisions off activity and the sheer, the pollution, the optimism of the population so that you can at that time. and i think this is some of the moment in palestinian. you see we this actually that existence, same shock waves of the world to ship the world and, and, and it cooled for a,

the city of that at existence. an idea versus validity might of struggle see incomplete without the freedom of better scenes. and so, and we have a special responsibility in pointing it out and assisting and supporting and expressing or sort of attitude with the palestinians, just mentioning the prostate as they see it. and don't have a son who's the we wouldn't feel free to be 3 because we so intervene in the, in the origins of all of the assistance to secular colonialism to occupation to staff conversations about displacement about genocide are also very difficult to have. and they may open old wounds to you or people around you. did you guys feel that,

that you were almost really leaving the trauma, the generational trauma that might be along your community to yeah, so i think because, you know, this is a shared struggle. i definitely deepens the wounds that may still remain open for some folks in our indigenous community. and with that, i think it makes it a lot a lot simpler for us to understand why it is so pertinent that we show up at this time. because as my colleague was saying earlier, you know, this is an urgent matter. this is an urgent in a case affecting, it posted in people. and we don't want to see this continue. we don't want our relatives to experience this in the future. and also in the present, and because we deepen mount wound of seem is going on. maybe, you know,

star away for months, it doesn't mean that the issue or the things that have harmed them is so far away from my heart is very interesting is, is more than not wanting to see history repeating itself is even stronger than that, right? we came across this campaign online. i'm not palestinian botch by people from different backgrounds expressing their personal connection to the palestinian people struggle for self determination. and this is one of those messages i'm not palestinian on punjabi, but my ancestors survived european invasion of my homeland. they killed thousands of people of my people through colonial policies. and so i advocate for palestine because i can't stand by as history is repeated in that way. i'm also palestinian. i want to invite to another voice, another voice, and another guest to join this conversation. benjamin cast and who's part of the

move mentioned known as jewish voice for peace. he's the university of california, los angeles. this is the movement of demands, freedom, justice, equality and dignity for all been to me and i want to know your story. why did you decide to join the jewish voices for peace? by thank you so much for having me. um, i grew up in the zionist environment. i grew up learning about how important is real is i grew up learning narratives about how histories of jewish from and persecution mean that we somehow deserve a militarized nation state. it was years before i learned with the foundation of the state of israel entailed the, the massive amounts of material harm that i did that inflicted on,

on palestinians. and so i, i found myself looking for a way to really grapple with, with my own jewish nest, with my understanding of jewish history. um and that led me to jewish voice for peace, which has become far more than a political home for me. but a way for me to feel to take action and to be a part of the community that is grounded in clear principles of justice and equality. and to be a part of the jewish community that has relations of direct accountability with palestinians. so it was a very personal and profound journey for you. we also meant understanding where you are and what being jewish meant to you. yes, absolutely. i might also mention, i'm a graduate student and,

and my studies have taken me deep into studies of get a culture and, and diaspora. so i focused on visual art and i've, i've studied a visual learner to use in various locations of the islamic world. and so much of what i've come to understand is that there's so many instances that there's such a, a richness to jewish history. um that, that there are so many ways of being jewish that existed before and beyond a nation state. and that will continue to to do so. so it's actually, it's open my eyes to, to so much more a i want to bring stuff and sonya back into the conversation. and i'd like for all of you guys to give me your perspective on this because i mean if there's anything positive about what's happening now,

and i'm very careful about my words here because i know, of course, this is a disastrous war. but if there's anything positive about this car into crisis, the fact that it brought the struggle, the, the, the, the occupation back into the world's attention. shawnee, i want to start with you. would you agree to? there is an opportunity here for, for i don't know the world to revisit this particular and massive injustice. um, so i think that this has been an interesting time to see the difference between people on the ground and governments and the actions that governments undertake. and what they say based on full bus is what they do. so for example, in south africa, we've had a generally positive palestinian friend where we really statements to say we stand in solidarity with palestine. we do everything possible to support you. but then we

don't actually know what's been happening is um, a large increase and like accountability we're, we're able to expose these ties and we're able to say, well, you're not acting in my name, this is not what we voted you in full. this is not what you'd said you would do. i mean, what we're seeing now is a willingness to intensified pressure on government agencies. and to say it's not enough to just release statements anymore. it's not enough to hold vigils. we need to st actions to isolate this ro, staff. what about you, do you, do you agree that this is an offer, sushi? so i think it's an opportunity for people all across the world to stand together with palestine. i also see that in my own community is reflected, but i would encourage more indigenous people across the world. and namely, you know, our tribal nations and the so called us to call for

a permanent ceasefire. i think this is an opportunity to show you the tribal nations do stand with palestine and not that i also our people are on the ground calling for permanency spires that we're calling to stand with palestinian wrote relatives to get the right of return, which is land back it's anonymous, it's the same struggle, shared of displacement of genocide, of taking a culture. and so i really think that this is an opportunity for to hear that call and to um to listen and to, to nan and to engage. however, you can to step sonya, i wanna thank you both so much for joining us today. and benjamin i would like for you to stay and help me welcome. another guest into this conversation here is cloud

de la cruz us presidential candidates representing the par seat for socialism liberation. united states the cloud here. thank you so much for joining us here on the stream today. you just mentioned there, your personal background, you mentioned growing up in america. we don't often see movies a poor america from immigrant parents. i would like to ask you more about why your personal experience makes it impossible for you today to look away from what's happening with palestinians. and the daughter of immigrants were displaced by occupation and the militarization of our,

of our country by the us imperial. is that, so let's think about what's happening in palestine is to make the connection of communities that have been displaced by war that have been colonized and divided by colonizers. and basically, you know, the humanized, are demonized criminalized and penalized in so many ways. and it's very difficult to see what's happening in gaza and not connected to our realities in the united states is very difficult to experience police metallic in the united states and not make the connection that the police of the united states are trained by the is really military forces and hundreds of billions of dollars are be invested in war and investing in genocide and to your vehicle in

america, in general, are waking up to this are waking up to the fact that they have been deprived from basic surfaces while the us is investing on it's more machine the most definitely, i mean we are experiencing one of the deepest economic crises where the majority of people in the united states cannot afford health care can not afford food, cannot afford housing. we're re losing all sorts of social programs from child care services to services for the elderly. and we see again, hundreds of billions of dollars invested in for so people are making those connections and are and are asking real questions. real questions about the brutality of the ruling class in the united states, the imperialist nature of the united states and the colonial nature of israel. and those are key questions to be asked is a, as an opportunity for the deep part of political education that is necessary,

the deepening of class cost, who lives in this country and the development of a real anti imperialist movement. um, so i, i really do believe that people are seeing the connections, benjamin. what about the criticism? the fact that chris has leveled against israel is currently being labeled as anti semitism. and that argument is being used to silence voice is pretty much across america. but in other parts of the world as well, is that dangerous? in your opinion? it's dangerous for so many reasons. i mean, on the one hand, as you say, it's a pretty brazen attempt to stifle people who are advocating for palestine work, criticizing zionism and the state of israel. and it's also dangerous in the sense that i think it makes it much, much harder to develop critical analysis and organize against anti semitism. right? because if we are, we accept to the narrative. that criticism of this real is, is,

is anti semitic than we we lose our ability to grapple with other with the way anti semitism relates to 2 other types of impression, white supremacy and racism. and as long as the phobia what we really need our nuanced and critical approaches to anti semitism and this cowardly way of setting of stifling advocacy for, for palestine, is really hurting, hurting all of us. and called yeah, i want to bring it back to your reality politically speaking. i mean, um, support for israel has paid off politically in the past. it's often more lucrative in terms of the folks that change. what do you expect this particular for this particular episode of horrific violence to translate when it comes to

the us selections next year? i mean, the current were the, the current more and gaza is definitely turning the tides. and people are finally seeing the brutality of design is the part i state of israel for what it truly is and is also seeing what the political establishment of the united states is and what it stands for. when you have, i mean, you raised the question about the completion of anti semitism with anti zionism. you see a resolution coming from congress and being supported by the majority of votes to actually distort history. to the stuart definition. you see where the political establishment is in terms of justifying genocide. and you have the majority of young voters between the ages of 18 to 34. saying that they are unwilling unwilling

to vote for anyone who stands for genocide. but the majority of people in the united states are against genocide, and they are demanding at the very least a ceasefire. the world will certainly be watching very closely. um i would like to and this episode on how the message of support she is being received. on the other side, this is what a palestinian doctor had to say about how and restrictions of support port from across the world are impacting their lives right now in gaza. hear your voice is under. you see what you are doing and we, you know, the to was done with us. please continue to be brave and continued to do everything you can do to demand a seas for you out and, and in to though cubis and i hope to meet you all in a free part is fine one day until a law 3 feet. by this time a cloud. yeah. benjamin. thank you so much for joining the conversation. today's

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