the distribution of aid i use, obviously this has been the account be accountable for any and that. so despite the pain, i reassure the palestinian people, the resistance is still in good shape. the words that are assigned to come down see me. i'm a member, 2 months on from the start of the war and gaza. he showed some videos of some us operations against is really for physical black. yeah. the brought to you by visit? how low they will have a look at africa in a moment. the 1st to the middle east and some unsettled conditions are working the way across the van. we are expecting that rain to intensify. as we go into the weekend. we take a closer look. it's eastern areas of to kia, that thing west of the windy and wet weather on friday. it will trip its way for the south as we go into saturday, bringing some heavy rain. so the likes of israel and occupied palestinian

territories. so what to weather as well, pushing across a rock with some snow floating across the corpses and stretching down into iran. but for the rest of the region, it is a pretty quiet picture which would see some cloud moving across the gulf with some foggy mornings for doha in katasha. the relative heat settled conditions here. now that's not the case for the north of africa. you can see that west and when the weather moving across, moving parts of algeria, institution is yeah. and by the time we get to saturday, we're ready to look out for libya. thanks for that very heavy rain and those gusty winds much quieter for the south of this, but we all see some heavier rain rumble across the democratic republic of congo. why? to a full south africa, but we can see more in the way of width and windy weather, affecting the south on saturday that you weather of the quote to you by visit castle. as well as who own guns,

i has found an area with an intensity the military unless i hasn't been seen since the 2nd world war. most of the women were you supplied by the united states. is this 4 different to one this in terms of its scale and space? this is inside storage. the hello welcome to the program. on top of the crime is rose, one garza has killed more than 17000 palestinians, injured tens of thousands and fullest, almost 2000000 people from their homes, many of which have been destroyed. palestinians comp leave gaza. the narrow strip of land say it is not only one of the most densely populated areas in the world. but now one of the most boomed some of the tree unless side the scale of israel's attack succeeds. that of other men is trunks and modern history,

such as the allied forces, destruction of tristan and germany, and world war to the civilian death toll and the right i would stop being killed has also not been seen in modern times. how much of the width and re israel uses is supplied by the us, which is called for the protection of civilians. is that possible or is it a deadly contradiction with palestinians, the victims? we'll be discussing that without guests and just a few moments, but this, this report from sense and monahan on israel's weapons of death in gaza. israel's boar and gaza has caused major devastation around 70 percent of buildings in the north. the strip are in ruins. more than 17000 palestinians have been killed. and around 85 percent of gauze is 2300000 people have been forced to move some from their hospital beds. many countries, including the united states, have cooled them israel to do more to protect civilians is real, has the most sophisticated one of the most sophisticated militaries in the world as

it is capable of neutralizing the threat posed by him us while minimizing harm to innocent men women and children, and it has an obligation to do some european nato member countries such as the u. k, italy, in germany, or among those who supplied israel with the weapons used in this war. but israel's main military and financial factor in the united states. that's been the case since its creation with widespread support for both democratic and republican administrations. the u. s. provides israel with miller $38.00 or $3800000000.00 every year. much of it is used to by states of the art weapons. in the early days of the war. us president joe biden assured israel, it was received everything needed for the campaign against him. off the united states stands with israel. we will not ever fail to have her back. we'll make sure that they have the help their citizens need. and they can continue to defend themselves. while international criticism is growing,

is really showing little sign of changing its tactics or strategy. and since the beginning of the war, the us is the only strength and support vinson monahan for inside story. well, let's look at the scale of israel's war on gaza. this whole file exceeds that of previous conflicts. there. for example, in 2014 is riley forces killed about 2200 palestinians windows attack the strip compared to the war and you cried weird. roughly, 10000 civilians have been killed in nearly 2 years. in just 2 months, israel has killed more than 17000 palestinians. the sort of the army uses a wide range of weaponry. some precision weapons, such as small bombs and missiles launched from helicopters and guided to the targets. but others are intended to destroy large areas and penetrated reinforced structures. these riley army has dropped 900 kilogram films on gallons of during

this war. according to the wall street journal, the u. s. has provided 100 of these known as bunk combustible items. okay, let's bring in now just now in pittsburgh, pennsylvania is colin clock research director at global intelligence and security consultancy. the saw find group in boston. the u. k. is patrick barry, the defense and security analyst at the university of boss and in london, the sample i. freeman, a research coordinator at campaign against tried in the u. k. thank you very much for joining us on inside stories that i will call in. if i can begin with you, can you just give us your initial thoughts on the scale and this of, of destruction in gaza in terms of the number of civilians killed in a very short space of time. how would you characterize what is happening at the moment? a yeah, it's a massive and overwhelming humanitarian catastrophe. i think in the introduction

you mentioned 17000 civilians killed, which is just an unbelievable loss of life. uh, the images that we're seeing every day from gaza or heart wrenching and i think, you know, as the us secretary defense lloyd austin, spoke about recently. are these rallies whatever tactical victory they're getting will come at a strategic loss because of the images that the world seeing on a daily basis. and i think i completely agree with the secretary of defense, austin, i think a lot of what's happening right now is counter productive. and this hot to eliminate or destroy or rather get come us, you know, at what cost is, but i would ask you a picture if we can just continue on with with that. so the strategic last that as well could south a here? i mean, israel is constantly right from the very beginning of this was say that it's, i'm, is to want from us, of the face of the us from a military perspective. i mean,

is this ariel bowman campaign that we've seen for 2 months now? is this the right way to go about trying to do this? but it's easier. why is natal, i'm, i'm, you know, on the, i know i elation strategic a missed call on this point that i had earlier. you know, all how to do a survive in some form and that's one at defense here. and it's very hard to completely eradicate any terrorist groups the, you know, 20 years at least to show a. so the bombardment. yeah. it's easy way to do that. the stand off, obviously as maybe the intelligence was call it not being here from numerous different reasons. so their, their eyes and ears and so the guy has a strip are not as good as a work other was at one point on them. and as a result, you, you select your sign off munitions, new, bombard the heavy reliance, as you mentioned on the us to keep your, your thoughts rolling. i'm, i'm currently again the targeting per the targeting sales here. and the crucially the idea what this hinges on this bombardment, and he's in tense,

isn't tennis in relation to low, so it's intense in relation to what we saw happen in search. it's intense in relation to the, from the bottles and mario paul. and upon move probably on a similar intensity, but the difference for those urbanized bottles with this most of the civilians are left. yeah. and they're being called at or us to get people that that's the cruise it so that's why we're seeing 2nd we, it's incredibly densely populated area of highly urbanized. so when you're in your introduction, when you talked about the same kind of damage to buildings as the 2nd world war. yeah, it is. but there's a, there's a, there's a and i've had them in tier of everything being condensed, which is, which is actually adding to it as well. doesn't excuse me, but it helps start to explain some of the reasons why we're seeing. so i put casualty and destruction that was, but also it comes back to this idea of that, munitions that they're selecting on the principles under no of our conflict with your bank proportionality, which must be balance the risk. disobedience must be buttons to the concrete and direct military gains to be made from taking that action. and that's ultimately for

audio from the lawyers to understand after they being attacked. yeah, those, those, that idea of proportionality is not actually written down exactly what that should be. so in the targeting cells, they draw a radius, is that right? and right where they think they are, they can say that we didn't think there were that many civilians there. and they can say that this on us come out or is incredibly important and therefore we're selecting or there's a phone call there and we're selecting a 2 phases of hand and they can drop it on it. and if it kills, you know, 10 civilians, a 100 civilians, you know, these ratings are just like, well we went through the process of course and i'm going to run a cold and i want to pick on a pick up on one thing that petrik was talking about there, i mean, is this campaign from is where i leaving actually working at this point in time because according to the as rarely, military of the 50000, thomas 5 is that i believe an hour and guys of up till about $5000.00 of them. that's on the roughly about 16 percent up to 2 months. what do you make of how

effective the campaign has been to this point in time as well? you know, i was actually just this morning reading an article from robert paid in for an affairs. one of the world's leading experts on air power and, and course of power. and, and, you know, i agreed with the thesis of the article, which is the campaign is not working on this far in this many weeks into the conflict to, to be at this point. to me it's clear that what's started as perhaps, you know, strategic military objectives has potentially more offend to revenge and vengeance and collect the punishment. some would argue, as pape does in the article, so you know, be around a kid in $530000.00 from us military. not a total surprise to me, you know, given the infrastructure and guys are given the tunnel network. but this is hard fighting, this is dense urban warfare. and i think, you know,

if you think about some of the high ranking homeless commanders, they were likely shuttled out of the country into potentially loving in into iran, elsewhere before the actual attack on october 7th. so these really are not going to be able to replicate from austin and that says nothing about israel's military process is one of the most powerful militaries in the world. it says more about, you know, the feasibility of completely eradicating a terraced organization. so i think the aims and objectives need to be properly scoped, and israel needs to immediately to begin thinking about how to attach it to military strategy, to some kind of a political outcome renegotiate settlement because that's the only way this is actually going to end. yeah, is sam, i want to go see you now. i know you and your organization had been investigating the items that are being supplied to is right. and what have you found so far and as anything surprised you? it was a loss of the us on straight to israel is well known as your report to said

o b across the the, the picks we can come back to across, but this rattle uses in garza the 55. so that's sixteen's coming from the us along with a lot of the munitions and since october, 7th, the us the, supplied by december 1st around 15000 palms and 57000 artillery shells. uh, according to media reports that includes those 100 bunk, combustible items. that impact the school about israel, of course, produces a lot of its own. but of course the loading straight has a very wide, an international supply chain. so a lot of companies and countries are involved in the production of act off like the 16 and f 35 with the 35 the the stove bytes of the u. k in

particular produces 15 percent of the value of every ashcroft produce, including those that go to is vile. this includes things like the, the via fuselage, the a lot of electronic systems of the a check to see uh all sorts of system of subsystems. and we actually go on the freedom of information requests, a list of all the u. k. companies that are involved in this program. and it is, it is dozens of companies that are involved. now, we don't go into any new searching fights they've been supplied since the most stuff said, but come back to draw, especially in, i mean, it's kind of a pain like this. need a constant supply of spat pots. so undoubtedly, all the truck that is read all task is going to good continually needing new spazz

from all from all of most of these companies involved in this international supply chain. i want to go to you now patrick, you touched on this a little bit before, but can you just give us a little bit of historical context? i mean, how does this compare? you mentioned most of it, how does this compare with other foaming campaigns that we have seen over the last few decades? well yeah, most of was the direct comparison because in the 1st week of the is really response . they dropped more bombs. i think it was states that isn't that in the us of the scholarly some partners dropped again. so i some of the above the popular most of, and the most. and so that, that's part of the, you know, have it adds up to something reasons as uh, 6 years ago. um, you know, in terms of like, what fair, what we're seeing is becoming more organized as more, more cds. they're more densely populated. and my armies are actually smaller and so

more for and the advantage to the defender means that it cover lapses in these areas, which makes it very, very destructive. we've seen a lot of destroyed mosul destroyed, start destroyed, and we see, and as i mentioned, mario fall in a box. so it's happening in a more, a broader trend of more of an ice board fair. and i think on, unfortunately for all those stuck in gaza, it's a particularly, as i mentioned, densely populated, densely urbanized, and therefore more useful environment. as i mentioned, again this, this concept of proportionality, which is obviously, you know, for example, i served and i've got a son in the british army and we, in 2008. we were in a fairly pretty rough place, co signed in where we took a lot of casualties and halfway through the tour, it just stops and you know, didn't casualties. we weren't the lead, fire, easy, one minute. these are more hers anymore. they're fairly small in terms of lisa leslie, because i'm calling in a 105 millimeter guns. this is a that, or you know,

an order of magnitude way below. watch a lot, lot lot of is right. are using at the moment in actually a situation which is relatively same or it was a highly intensity kind or insurgency campaign. but again, a secretary lloyd said, you know what we're trying to do. there was separate the insurgents, the bar code caliber on essentially from the people as best to be good. i'm the is really just completely lacking. as carla mentioned, the, it's just creating a counterterrorism nightmare i would say for the next decade in the region and beyond. and uh and so, you know, another course instead of stand off air power could've been, especially in the 2nd phase after the cease fire, could have been much more court on this, on a tear start to gain the intelligence picture you need. you can be done showing that promised in using their reward funds if i'm asked after this. yeah. after was to be more of them in the, you know, and not in their name, but um, and start to build the intelligence picture again on user special forces and

surveillance advantage, which you're going to need to build up again. so basically get in there on, in the 30 more d grades that come off the military wing, especially as to absolute minimum that you can. yeah. colon for dick as countries have to sort to to bomb their enemies into submission, but also to try and share to a civilian morale. i mean, the theory is that when push the breaking point population is what she rises up and, and it gets pushed back against their own governments. well, i mean, we have seen that not with, with russia informing you crime, that obviously hasn't been worked there didn't work when the germans bones the u. k . and world war 2, when the allies bones germany extensively. and we'll go to as well. do you think that there is any chance of it working here? it just flies in the face of the empirical evidence that we have on counter insurgency. i spent 10 years at the rand corporation,

i think tank in the united states, and was lucky enough to be able to have several years carved out and devoted my time to studying every single insurgency from the end of world war $2.00 to 2009 and 71 in total based on our coding schema. and we found that historically, what we called an iron fist approach, which is certainly what the as rarely as are pursuing at the moment, is counter productive and actually the counter insurgents that pursue that approach . so my call is, you know, scorch stairs, they lose more than they when, so they're actually seating the advantage to their adversaries. and i'm us. and i would just echo something the patrick said earlier, when you know netanyahu, and the idea came out very early on in the conflict and said that the stated goal was to completely eradicate a moss. they essentially did hamas a huge favor. it was a strategic communications failure on the as rarely as far as, as patrick mess mentioned, all from us needs to do now the to declare victory. and i put, you know, quotation marks around victory is survive. and that's certainly something they're

going to do. the question is, is it based on i'm also going to survive. we know that's the case. how you know, how much impact will, how much be yeah. when all of a sudden don't smoke lives and in what form will, will they continue? the same. you mentioned, we talked a little bit about bunk of bombs and the us, the supply. what it comes to wall street journal, $100.00 to as well. can you just explain to people who might not know exactly what they are? just how deadly and how wide spread the destruction can be from just a single bunk, a single bunk of bomb. and i love it best on, on the precise least, solid e of different munitions. but these are, as we told 900 kilograms, 2000 pounds bones. um and so that is an enormous amount of destructive power in well as a about the positive side is a very,

very densely populated area. and we have seen cases like engine bali, u g come, where a single strike has killed dozens, if not hundreds of palestinians at one most, the civilians wouldn't go. we don't know if those cutoffs busters, but at any rate, the munitions that israel is using a clear they a big enough to cause such obsolete devastating, totally disproportionate. dest and injury and destruction. i love it. and i'm responsible that my colleagues have a been talking about israel. if it's right, let's go is milk tree the tree of the how much the strategy doesn't make sense. but this as sub rule is, right? the ministers, the members of the can, that's set to been saying if that goal is to actually deep, populate gods to make the entire costs

a strict on live for both and falsely population into each it then find a does make sense. okay. i guess because these are supplied by the united states. patrick, i mean it's giving israel these weapons as the us explicitly endorsing the use. and then i guess we take it to step full. the fear of the is the us complicity and any civilians that account by the as rarely use of us weapons. yeah, well just on the, on the phone cost, i think so usually when they do these weapons tests, i do it if they're trying to work with the policy they usually do them in the open . right. so it's obviously more nissan in our budget. buildings collapsing, arrange a bulk of booster. uh, normally as far as i understand, depending on the payload, what, how the, the so what we call in the, in the british ministry at least the last area of at least a 100 meters radius. so that, you know, draw that around to make, get the diameter. and so just saw not, yeah, no god, it's an interesting one. clarity,

there's different and call them might be better. uh, you know, positions speak about the inside the administration to me. but i think those are certainly different people pulling in different directions about what should be done here and all that by the seems fairly fair, that he's gonna stay steadfastness support for as well. certainly, you know, the us sounds a lot of leverage here but wanted to use and, and of course, you know, where does it get to? it's all your know and, but it is real, got it, and miss all this problem, for example, to protect itself is to us. so i think the wheels will come off the wagon, although they do have an indigenous on the, you know, big indigenous uh, industrial, military, industrial facilities. the, i think the, the wheels would come off the wagon on terms of the air campaign pretty quickly if america decided that the enough was enough, right to kill. and i will throw it over to you. they know, i mean how much pressure is on the uses to scale back uh the, the amounts of money in width instead it is giving, is israel,

i guess it depends of pressure from home the united states, when you look at the domestic politics here is getting pulled in 2 directions, you've got a, you know, the, the evidence to support as real, particularly in an election year. at the same time, if you look at the younger voters, jonesy, and below the demographic show that you know, that kind of demographic is unhappy with buttons handling tend to be more pro palestinian and pro is rarely so, you know, i think the administration is trying to read the tea leaves, read the polls here, but instead of playing politics, the more important than the moral thing which has to be to do with right. and to apply maximum pressure on the as rarely as to limit civilian casualties. and to, to not drop that as a talking point, right? this isn't just something on a checklist that you go down and say, oh yeah, you know, we should mention that as well. uh, this is essential, right? because the united states is associated with this conflict. and if you look at the numbers dead, this is not something that's going to fade from the headlines. this is

a moral staying on the united states. and so i think if the administration can wield influence and we know that it has in the past, it needs to do so and it needs to continue applying that pressure and not stop. and sam mc international. and oh sorry, petrik you ought to jump in there. i was just going to jump into, i think also, you know, if this has been happening and, and you train and obviously terrible things have happened in ukraine and at the rest of the times in terms of ukrainian civilians. but if this was happening and you find the western condemnation would be much higher and on, i think we, you're looking at a position where the more crime scene should be put on the table and kept on the table. then he, if you cannot, you know that we will come to your lawyers and we will come off your target yourselves and it should be back by the goal settings as well. who, for, you know, all intents and purposes are still pretty quiet. they've been helping some of them in helping with the negotiations, but the general consensus seems to be boxed this problem to box best they kind of get on with, you know, building their economies at the moment. so the thing internationally or can be done

. yep. okay, similar as we've seen in. yeah. and in the last few days, amnesty international put out a report saying that is wrong, does need to be investigated for possible war crimes. is that something that you and your organization agree with the absolute faith of, of, of causal war crimes. but the, by his violin from us must be investigated. but there is overwhelming evidence that israel has been committing war crimes. the blockade on food water, is it so a whole try mrs. collective punishment without doubt. indeed, as a case the what is rose doing on many international lawyers. you know much more about it than me. the what it's rails doing could actually be cost as genocide. and the united states especially, but also do k, germany and the to on the israel can also potentially in the talk for aging, or the vaccine for crowds by supplying these weapons. continuing to supply weapons

and components in the full knowledge of what israel has been doing. going to continue to do and so thing i mean, the child says the drug bites and whatever actually be arrested, improved behavior vanishingly small. yes, thought. i think the american officials, british officials, alms company officials who are making these trends, shipping option that backs legally. because the possibility that they could be in the frame for aging and investing more crimes in gaza is i think that reveal, or at least it ought to be. okay, cool, and we've got a couple of minutes i wanna finish with you. is this ro, i guess, how does this in this israel going to be allowed to continue bombing until it's hans content? do you think, to allow, by whom? again, you know, who, who is the ultimate arbiter of, of this conflict?

so i think unless the as rarely as make this decision to stop it, it's not going to my question is you know, to what, and what are the games? is it capturing and killing every time. also i value target. 1 is a, you know, totally attempting to designate a mouse is military infrastructure. is that even possible? and again, i'll go back to what i've been saying. so it's essentially october 8th, unless this military approach and campaign, an operational objectives are tied to some kind of political element, then it's all for not because this really is have a term for, for what they've been doing, which is mowing the grass. right. and this, this can't go on any further to do this every couple of years to have these all out conflagrations in the region. there's gotta be some kind of in. and i think unless there's a, you know, a sustainable political solution here coming out of the back end of this fighting will be back here the year from now, you know, 18 months from now though there will be no end. okay, thank you so much. oh,

sorry. patrick, do you want to jump in the very quick? this is kind of sad thing to my that part is the exact thing around the. the poles there were very sent. it may be, it's actually just to, to drive somebody there. okay. thank you. we've run out of time that we really do appreciate you joining us here on inside story calling clack patrick barry and sand pillow friedman. thank you. well, thank you. as well for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just say we're dot com and for further discussion goes, well facebook page, that's facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x. i'll handle is add a inside story for may tell mccrae and the whole team here, bye for now the, for a week to look at the world's top business stories from global markets to economies and a small business sales force and including security around the world history or

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