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so in a lot of time, regions during his decade in poverty, a message that has add attraction in a year when to complex into that and gaza, hey, we dropped it on egypt. borders the guys, the war was a major boost for president cc and like many other countries in the world and the cases of external threats and the case of a war, you know, people tend to rally behind the leader critic see this presidential election as a foster of to use long track down on distance. i say the government is encouraging the supporters to catch the words to a fear a low turnout will lead to questions about this list. i'm is this out of that. oh, just a please. 6 people, including a child, have been killed after a tornado swept through the us state of tennessee. dozens more were injured. officials say they're carrying out a search and rescue operation. the storm caused extensive damage and left tens of thousands of people without power. their leaders are filing nations are demanding
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an end to the use of fossil fuels. they voice the call at the comp $28.00 climate change conference held into by they say time is running out to keep or its temperature a below the one point. 5 degree warming limits agreed in paris in 2015 for many island nations. anything over that limit could leads to disaster will return to our top story, the war on gaza. yes, an fuss force is a 13 year old palestinian boy who's been helping his mother with her job at one of gauze over well and hospitals. here's the story, in his own words, says the, the land that it will soon will specialize in a little bit the system and say, of course we need to can somebody, you know, what i'm, i have a sylvia who, yeah, i shannon have the guy that, well this is neil assisting you the letter in your for
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example follow be i wasn't able to sort of follow the. yeah, i'm a sure is have full book the i love the you know, money you know, fall of the fishing the way she a little while ago the way she looked at how there still is home is the vehicle for sure. so, but you must have the modem if you had them in the system the solve the problem. well, in the steps, the local, the southern half of the morning was coming up at the top of the hour and how to 0 up next it's from the
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you the as far right? self described anarcho capitalist, heavier my latex power. this sunday in argentina, we'll be looking into what his presidency might mean for the country. with 1st, israel has resumed its assault on the gaza strip after last week's the spice and an expanded offensive and encompasses the entire palestinian honestly. but how effective israel's military operation? what links is israel willing to go to achieve it? stated goal of eliminating from us will ask the former national security adviser to
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israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and retired major general of these really army. this was headliner, cove. i'm enjoying the general. yeah, no problem. enjoy, thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you very much for inviting me. but after the october 7th, the tags, israel launched a devastating counter offensive in gaza. it caused unprecedented levels of destruction and of course civilian depths. now, one of the great concerns from the international community, from human rights organizations and indeed from other nations, has been that is what does not follow the rules of work, particularly this question of proportionality right now. uh for every uh hum us soldier, killed there, been only 2 civilians in guys that killed. does that seem like an acceptable ratio? you know, it's not acceptable, and this is a line we think the how much is making good crimes will pay crimes against humanity
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by fighting with the civilian population or something of this. and no, nope, a law by the international. the fact that somebody's using the human feel, women and children, and old people to defend itself, like fighting for little houses and on the streets and all of letting these people to go out of the area of the battle scene. no question, the d 0 a crime against humanity and how much to be punished. and even more than that, we gave a big population time to leave the area and we designated safe havens and help us look the way to those things kind of. and so by bit the syrian and a single, the mentors reading. so you're saying that israel's killing of palestinian civilians is a war crime committed by her boss and not by israel. i mean, you're, you're basing that argument if i understand you correctly on the idea that her
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mouth is using human shields. now 1st, that has not been proven by any human rights organization. if i, even if what you're saying is true, that doesn't absolve you of your responsibility to avoid killing civilian targets, you can't just say, well, they are hiding among civilians. so we're going to kill civilians. and you can't just say, well, it's almost as full. okay. first of all, uh, as you know in a blue icon can see we fall on that. how much of a rush, you know, centers on the hospitals being made garza so if this is not the woman she loved the work you mentioned, you would have pictures of how much that has not been proved. that hasn't been proven, sir. no, i usually don't really i i my friends. well, it's like, i'll meet you where i am waiting, waiting for the impression, want you to finish the answer, but just wanna be clear for the audience has benefits, but under international law, it to, to, to change the status of a hospital to a, it's a military target,
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the burden of proof is on is real to demonstrate that it is how much come in. so there's not enough to say there's a much spider, there's an upstate, there's a few members of a mazda to change the status. you've got to prove it and you can't just say, take my word for it. just for clarity. say, where's the evidence? what was the most? who have been, who has proven this? please let me answer that on. so we found a little of the most of those sent the little school mind of uh, of how much energy blog care to do. could us be a, supposedly the idea if we send you a manual for them. we fund weapon systems on the hospital and we know for sure that at least one most of this was killed in the last people buy from us. they bought the bank sold all of us, but they loved the which the combined to combine and say, and control really a handful. this is will say from us we have pictures of some us people going, waited children involved and so it can, we can. okay. but if you want the picture,
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i would send you the, the, and please, and the say, you know, the, the i, i know that you with what's going on with your a, your network, you will show mcdaniel and the 2nd, the twel killing gap cv as well well, here's the thing that we, we locate any same video and we, we cannot find how much because how much is he's at finding from behind a civilian. so the ability to not to piece of it is meaning meaning of that particular meaning. hopefully it's not till 2 people come us it let from us to room . they go to sleep, after least on delivery, tional floor and atrocities. and bring me to be involved barry, an action which was done by some us a little bit of me. you know? because of the i think so nicely behind civilians and you cannot civilians so they will be in your wheel most buying the loading and women even continue to the store
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from us and he's the payment would be paid by the civilians or rather they can apply to how much it costs is there uh, how much was elected by them and they can apply from us in us. come us to find to the list of the, the wine by the way, if they surrender, immediately we locate any civilian. 44 percent, little more than 44 percent of palestinian people voted for from us as a reality in 2006 about half of the palestinian population right now is under 18. meaning that most people guys absolutely did not vote for a month. it's also just factually incorrect. your vision of security rest upon a military strategy that as you've just described, will inevitably kill citizens, civilians, and will lead to the destruction of more monuments and more cultural sites. more parts of civil society. if all of this happens,
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the not worry that it will only for mit, more resistance, more violence, more people who have antipathy towards these really government. i mean there are security and terrorism experts who actually caution this. they say that israel's wide spread killing a palestinian civilians increases the risk of violent attacks against is re as or at least how do you respond to these warnings that what you're doing, the israel's been bergmann of guys that will actually make israel less secure. assumed that you loved the situation before the service of the the fullest as evidence of the will, the will the cease fire visually limp that god is living. gave many perform. guys have to come to low can easily, easily gave i'm going on because i have to go into the rest of the community. but sure, and really not letting me boss, typically, but i can't allow you to say things that aren't true, less than one percent of the type of a, of the guys and population i work for me is what, what was the number of guys that work in israel, i'll give you the number they can 1000 right there to point to 1000000 people in
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god, but that's not a large number. most of them and guys, it cannot leave the to release the, the, the, they say your, i never said you're percent of the i said these live try to go to promote the corner of you, goes up by letting the point 001 percent of people come in, okay, go ahead. please finish. did you finish this of the speaker, which is on to what fits it was. it was too late to change the blank, the whole can easily. we may not look like the little, the little, the goal gaze with the, the, the only man after the age of 20, full 70. so result the respect he was that the the please bring scoring. use the piece that i, i didn't, i didn't i, i don't know what that should be really, but let me also, which is the lead again. and again, that's all the ones, the ones that can cause back to me. sorry, once again said something that's on true if actually that allow you to continue what be so i didn't cite to hypo, so it does say the 18000 paper from does
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a way out every day to can you store this is the number. if he says you say that it is to legal, maybe show me, give more people to organize when we know how the atrocities and the violation of the ceasefire about how am i supposed to be today we have with, with the 5. so i don't know, probably because that was the intentional friesland to give mo, cuz to go out of garza and dual can easily. and we gave all the permission to cut out in other countries to bring life. and the body seen in a 30 says money to was that because our interest was to grow. they quoted me of the because people believe me is what you enjoy. the state, the coma says some responsibility for the the middle of garza, and by bro, all the, the going on like, well, we'll see a way the plan will come up with that. usually we might have,
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we stay how much the was been care about these people, how much the initiated the war. he so it'd be clear at all and by butchering 1000 civilians where women babies, and right being women as well. so we decided that it is not an option anymore. we don't have any obligation to once it goes a route and we have relating to this civilian life, will these people, they cannot blanco's from us. we gave them all, we'll do what it is, how much the scientists to issue the war against these lives. how much would be the price? okay, i again, i, i want to do offense before i offered this correction under international law. israel actually does have a responsibility and a duty to the guys and citizens do you disagree with that? yeah, so this is great because we'll call green god to the end and 6. and these really out of the no one soldiering does the last, the beginning, the lowest lady, the border of guys who controls the border of gaza. you
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get done with the roof on board. what i'm saying is, is that is that israel controls or border, basically israel has re deployed his troops in 2006 from inside of gaza to the for 3 of guys. it israel controls what goes into guys a and what comes out of guides. the israel control is the population registry. israel controls the, the, the, the flow of people. and the flow of money is, or what controls guys are by land, air and safe is anything that i just said untrue. just which part. it was thing they just have these love, these look to understand the control, the population registry of, of, of doesn't know. here's what doesn't control the flow of goods in and out of gaza. know, israel does not have any military presence on the border of a guy that between these and doesn't know between garza and maybe they can also egypt whenever they want. well, they moving walter can bring. okay, you're,
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i think all, they're all, it's very easy because they can talk, you will rough. uh, you will do very well and you think of plenty to welcome you. we don't spoken. okay, so i think the international community will be surprised when they hear your words saying that israel does not control again the, the, the, the border is the population registry, the electromagnetic for every part of guys. but that's up for the international community decide when they watch this interview on the committee look. you know, you'll be on the bottom so many little guys that wants to go out. they can go through or off his be just me. like if i don't know if they get to the left thing, but it's no good. and i told you guys with respectfully, sir, that's a strong man known as disputing that agent has control over the rough border. the, the, what was the issue here was whether or not in 2006, israel left guys, or whether they simply re deployed their troops in such a way that they still control. again, the flow of goods, the flow of people, the, the, the, the electromagnetics via the population registry. every part of a 1000 right is still functionally controlled and occupied by israel,
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which is why the international community international law suggests that israel still maintains effect the control over guys when we can agree to disagree. i, i want to move on to another question. here is really does succeed and it's aim of dismantling. israel does succeed and it's aim of dismantling. or as a prime minister, benjamin netanyahu said eliminating her mind what will happen next thing doesn't 1st before i think that you don't give your old is the real situation on the drop. the recent jewish lives involved as he left the lot control what's coming in and out from egypt into the go the street, the molder between gaza and to you is controlled by you load by. he's with your sped agent. doesn't occupy agent. the agent doesn't occupied garza, he just hasn't had to really we owe you guys the 5 w o. we don't owe him find the guys. that is what we don't to quote is the inside guy. so we are
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looking guys up, if the you'll see a situation of $500.00 can only do, will stand in is on the doesn't if we really i mean ridiculous story. ok. and again, you'll, you'll believe that we will have allow, how my bill gets really quick ability if you're willing does how. and it's nice and we've all the respect again, i'm not disputing that you're in guys. i'm asserting that you read a point from, from, from in the guys in 2005 at the end of the year to the border. and you control it effectively by controlling what goes in and out. so i agree with you that you're not engaged with the point is it's an effective control by how you manage the perimeter. but again, we can agree to disagree on that. the determination of doesn't appear cool, man. no, no, no, we are not clearly deep, very mentor of gaza when it is coming to the boulder with green, gaza, and you, we are going pulling the bowl. i would we use the low between cost you,
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sir. if we were to pull out a map, you will understand that the majority of these you look like you will understand. i heard the bulk of the border is not with the roof or is not with egypt. the bulk of the border, the guys in gauge is where with israel, that's number one. and number 2, egypt is not a certain military and governmental control over guys the mattress bags decades. so i'm going to pretend that somehow you are not responsible for what happens to guys when you continue to maintain effect of control as per every human rights organization as part international law. we think of it, this is an obvious fact and you seem to be denying it. we don't have to agree on this fact. i'd like to move on so that i can get an answer to my question, which was the, i don't want to go, no, i, well, i'm not going to close the sir. because why do i know you want me? i know you know that that is fine. sir, sir, sir, let's move on to another quiz. oh,
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i don't move to another question. i don't have as far as the oh, sorry. with me that will allow me to easily garza look on the quote, but if the so i can point to your major point, if you're saying that you're not willing to move on with, i agree with you that there's no doesn't control guys. and then we can continue, that's not a fact and i won't, but i refuse to acknowledge something that's not very long as i usually can. you, you've made your point. are you willing to move to another question or do you want you want to go? so in other words, okay, you just meet the then you can go, okay, why not good? okay, bye. okay, sorry. so certainly you understood so sir, i'm not going to admit that israel doesn't control guys, so i'm gonna thank you for your time and i appreciate your doing us enough for and have a good day this sunday far right and self describe an article, capitalist hobby and malay takes office in argentina, malay ran on the campaign of slashing the states role in public life,
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including eliminating the central bank and shuddering key ministries. the also valve to turn around the country's disastrous economic situation and expressed admiration for former president donald trump with the united states. and former president, j e are both in otto of brazil. so what's next of argentine? do you wanna me now to answer that question. is veronica goggle, who teaches political science at the university of windows itis, and is the author of the feminist international. how to change everything. we're also joined by an s those a man who is an associate professor of latin american history at the university of berrigan and author of ambassadors of the working class argentina's, international labor activist and cold war democracy in the americas. i want to thank you both for jeremy on a front end. so what to start with you? malay was pretty much unknown entity just a few years ago. he was a complete outsider uh to the political scene. how did he not only rise so quickly, but also in the winning by such a large margin? it wasn't just about the promise of change,
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a difference from the current political class, given the fact that the country is facing triple digit inflation and 40 percent of large tides live below the poverty line. oh yeah. well, i think of course, man you play shown on, on a decade or going to because the may june, down to 40 percent of forward the are quite a while we're pull framework are sort of unavoidable to understand this and, and, and to make things even worse mean they ran a guy, so quite ation the government, quite agent that appointed the candidate as mean instead of economy. so bushing economic frustration is even more to the center of the campaign. but i think as you mentioned, an introduction, the late connected the d so long time i showed them frustrations. uh, by putting for a clear message. uh, dimension that was important. now to give more space to personal effort to interpret. no, she's going to be lower, free them as a 5 back. i guess i'll start goes such as what we're going to measure need economy
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or excessive relations. i think nice ideas uh, connected. we how millions of people experience the connected data and as well. a life thing, which is even labor relations or social programs that are supposed to benefit the bore at none. the less, our sort of the idealized by progress reports is including the government but received senior effect all in the, in the lives. but if it's an interesting, it's a fascinating thing though, veronica, right, but i also wonder what else is, is that steak, i mean, argentina, for example, has been at the forefront of grassroots organizing for women. the campaign for women's rights and in minority rights lead to things like the legal ization of abortion in argentina. and malays said very clearly, but he will call a referendum of whether to ban abortion again. so how, where he should we be not just what the economic piece of this, but that minority writes women's rights are actually vulnerable under
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a malay presidency. and i think that, of course, he's an open mental publishing rights. and during the company he said that he was going to call for a referendum. i think that that company is also a reaction. it gave me this timing is unclear, move money not into not, but also the idea of rights. that's where i'm at gaming in the streets, but it's, i don't want to out the link, the rights and the economic issue. i think that we have to connect that on to avoid that. the idea that at you are now worry of the economic situation or you are defending the rights because the icing of the worst i d, about very successful off my lease campaign is to analyze rights as pre
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religious. so he said, now this time it is on that we have people are the privilege people against the poor people. and he organize this whole sort of but the, against the fun sectors. i'm trying to oppose social and feminism clear, right. it gains that idea of uh, in libra, individual and tripping ownership that figured that a mesa was committed to tune at the beginning. so i think that this is part of his discourse that he's very successful on. this is that we have to confront because it is not uh, the way that we can organize a living in cali to or that's what i mean. that's an interesting point. veronica raises, right. there is the policy question. you know, millay can introduce policies that are harmful to women,
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harmful to minorities in the country, but then there's also the crime it that gets created based on the way that he campaign and based on the expectation of those political contradictions of those economic challenges. so yeah, how worry should we be about that not just about the policies. what about the climate? yeah, i don't know and i don't think we can make really just now if the somebody's treasures you're going to last 2 days or 2 years or 20 years. so he's very hard to know was how much he's going to move forward with he's agenda, but it buddies true and have of course i agree a 100 percent with veronica said uh he used a women and minorities a ride us and a space in which he could explore how much he could push the limits to see how much it could be said to destroy in the old gunshot regime, right. associated with, with, with these last a couple of decades of, of, uh, with a more everybody's on,
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on, on minorities and women. right. and i see what's a typical push in those payments. a husband who does a nice the far right around him. same thing with we'd, we'd, he's explicitly funny, bridget brown. this is about a over revision of a you my right, a policies. um, but i do think and i agree a 100 percent with that that it creates a toxic environment and, and, and put much more to the center the, the, uh for the because violence as a component of daily life. and i mean, i'm glad you mentioned the windows, molly, how long can you and a lot, i believe my word about that then about that, about the specific body. so i'm glad you mentioned political violence cuz i was thinking about this, veronica. i mean, obviously there's a long and deep history of resistance in argentina. i'm talking about not just yet words, but street protests on the ground at. yeah, there's a and i can't imagine that that won't happen if there is mass defense in response
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to malays policies. how will the malay presidency in your estimation respond to people in the street saying, hey, this isn't working for us a case for our missing repression? i think it gave these very must've unpopular. i've tried each on. the not going to not off of demonstrations are defined phones off taking the streets. mean they represent a reactionary mutation of neo liberalism in response to that particular conditions . so it is part of for long standing free markets, also retiree on for each one, and also a response to feminist unpopular m months. so i think that the antagonism wouldn't be a very strong, but we have also to thinking either conditions off, protest on mobilizations because we have to see in, in, in what sense his promises of repression will be. uh that
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we'd be concrete on. i think that's uh we would have a different the most ration in the next month, but i, i want to insist we are in a very critical economic situation. so these are the most appraisals are also conditioned by these a very critic condition in every day life. i want to thank you both. if you wanna me a veronica ernesto. it's a pleasure talking to everybody that is our show upfront. we'll be back next, the the latest news, as it breaks, i still have to claim the responsibility for the bombing of
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a gymnasium in morales city, security and personal se there. so looking into all possible levels with details coverage, the people here along the border receive virtually no assistance from the federal government at the united states from around the world. this is aging childrens hospital. we're so they've been receiving more than 9000 pages every day, forced to expand that capacity. a number of days. president biden says one to 2 state solution for palestinians, and israelis. where does anybody believe it's doable? what this is real for? i'm gonna say it back to us foreign policy and what are the long term consequences for the region and the world? a quizzical look at us politics, the bottom line. i'm charles phones. you want to raise it for hindsight, dramatized podcast from. i'll just hear that. and they say, we hear from some of history's blogs, notable women, and unconventional and extraordinary office. i am 40 that kind of coming this
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