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hello welcome to the program. i'm tell me cry. another wave of palestinians, fullest from the homes in gaza. and this time to a small slice of lands in the south designated by his ro is the site's own that conditions in l. milwaukee, oblique. and for those living and it's made shift to ken's basically called international aid organizations, don't recognize the facility and not providing services there. and then the last 2 months is ready for us as a bomb. the areas where they ordered people to take shelter. i thought it was in alma wasi site, there is no guarantee that will be split. it is rarely bombings and it strikes. so how can, what is ro calls a safe? so protect the civilians from suffering and attack and could have become as one uni safe, official has described another zone of death. we will discuss all of this and much more without guess, civil leisure and the program. but 1st, this report license and motor head,

the civilians in garza are running out of places to go. many of these people fled from their homes in the north to escape israel's bombing campaign. now they've been forced to come here. this baron area and i'll, milwaukee covers just 6 and a half square kilometers. it has no reliable sources of water, food or medicine. israel's military is designated a safe so, but many people here say it's anything, but that is the vin number was from the builder and died because of the freezing conditions here. our life is know focused on how to find bread is really skilled people with midsize and shows and we are about to die here because of the lack of everything that can keep us alive. they send us here to face a slow death. these really don't kill us. the current conditions here will definitely send us to our desk chat that garza wasn't ready. what is the most densely populated areas on earth? now, $2000000.00 people are being forced to seek safety,

increasingly small taxes of land. they met the sides hammock, dictated to the kid. there's huge numbers of tents here that has huge numbers of people. and more, more people are coming every day from con eunice, some flies and all the insects filled the tents. we live in a catastrophic situation that israel has intensified its air strikes since a temporary c. spart ended in early december with northern gauze in ruins. the center and south are increasingly being attacked and that includes so called safe zones. i'm good on the local in the month the guns and they asked us to be evacuated and we did as they said to a few minutes area, an area and you know, it's not a humanitarian area. they all strikes you and the weight is the humanitarian area. in a sense of israel and egypt control goes as borders and neither are lacking in refugees . israel is keeping the strip under a total blockade, cutting off supplies of food fuel at electricity. humanitarian aid is not reaching

many of those who desperately need it. aid workers say only a cease fire can make anywhere in gaza, truly safe. it's not a safe zone. if it's only free from bombardment, sometimes have no pain. it's a safe zone when you can guarantee the conditions of the water medicine and shelter . okay, now i see for myself, these are entirely entirely absent those forced from their homes in gaza live in desperate conditions and can only wait for what happens next. as israel is bombing, campaign intensifies in the south, it may not be long before they are forced to move again, bins and bonehead alex's era for inside story, the cabinet spring. and now guess now here in doha is julia. it's tim, a director of communications of the you in refugee and works agency for palestine. refugees in geneva, and is mateusz capella,

a former you in resident instrumented terry and cooled nicer and professor emeritus at menches to university. and also in the high is a heavier senior associate fellow, an international security studies at the royal united services institute and the kind of key endowment for international pay. so will welcome to you. well, thank you very much for joining us here on inside storage. juliet, if i can begin with you, we've seen a little bit of what the conditions like for people that are living there. but can you just give us more of an idea of what exactly it is like, what you're hearing from people inside elma? why see how people coping there right now? let me tell you what i saw when i was in gaza around 10 days ago i, sol, missouri, got node. i so desperation, i so huge, huge needs among the communities i visited. one of our center's a, it is in con eunice, one of our largest in gaza with

a capacity of 1000 people originally. but now home to more than 30000 people and lost everything and they needed everything. this was before the human at time post kicked in heavy bombardment during the day and during the 9th. and people continues to flock into the under. i sent those which current k host more than 1200000 people and they're not safe. and it doesn't because you've worked in global and public health the decades. what do you make of the conditions at elma wasi from what you've been able to say? can you compare to what you've dealt with and in previous circumstances? no, i think the situation in the gaza is a completely unprecedented. i mean, i've worked in many other places in iraq and syria and the bundle dish or one to 2

long guns. and so i'm there be a finding the have to be. so it depends on, at the same time in the same place. so of course, the governor strip is very small, does have very heavily open eyes. and therefore, there is no way to really say elsewhere that have been pockets where there has been the reduced violence or even sites those created perfect. it used to be by skilled to come to a resolution or one or 2 or 3 minutes. for example, the frontier digital operation tech was in the southern rwanda during the genocide before that. so i think the suggestion, i'll come across such a situation anywhere else in the world in the past. okay. and dr elliot is refer, there's no medicine, no food, no water, no toilets at milwaukee. what legal responsibility does israel have to actually take care of the people that and been forced to live there? so let's be clear, israel doesn't simply have responsibility for more. i see israel is the occupying power of the gaza territory and has been since 1967 under international law.

israel is required to provide for the welfare of the civilians in that territory. this is not a territory that they have and they did in 2023 and then we talked about it in the framing. this is a tire to that they and they didn't my can 67 and have never been left in terms of occupation or in terms of effective control. so that's the point. number one point number 2, they could provide the most incredible 7 star hotel facilities and oh, i see, and it would not be sufficient because the space is simply not sufficient. you're talking about a territory that on the on, in general is one of the most congested, over crowded places in the world. and you're trying to squeeze in that population to a fraction of that type which, you know, it's simply not doable. and it's a recipe as a recipe, frankly, for, and even great to humanitarian crisis. then we've seen thus far, and we've already seen an incredibly horrible one as far julia, given all of that,

why the, it was israel chosen basically to put it on the completely open and expose the strip of land. do you think i would like to confirm that you'd like a nation's position when it comes to the so called safe zones? because there is no such thing and gals at the moment. and according to the international, no one party to the conflict come up just like that, unilaterally announce and declare a certain area, a safe zone. so and goes on, there is no safe place. there is no safe zone, not even close, but then not even united nations shelters are safe. and on top of bounce, people are literally being shoved into what is less than one quarter of the space on the guns as trip. so they also have no place to go. mm hm. they don't invitation. i mean, what are the risks of this tuning into

a more permanent refugee camp and what happens from that point home? do you think the, the risks for the people that are forced to stay there as well? i think it's uh, you know, getting to that area and they did use what their local freight there and the people could safely get there. it is so preferable. then the them being the bombed at random a talked in the numerous other places the strip. so i think i'm afraid you don't even have the luxury at the moment that the time to small some of these strip a has to do or it can be sent to you in a another printer. and they just have said that they operate as a more or less drunk to hold. i remember stage zones what search part it was to get to vote for a uncle populations. so were you are between the heartless or in the space between the blonde embassy and so i think good debbie's up in terms of humanitarian

solutions to what is the problem? it's difficult to know what to do. i don't think that i need to monitoring solutions here and the dead bolt, the constriction has been on stopping to fighting the war is one of the reasons why, for example, the un security council has not been talking about states sold so much to us, but about actually stopping the war, it costs because 6, it was in the, in gaza because of the generalized nature of the war. well, given that dr. kelly, what is the point of israel? what does israel actually trying to do? what's it trying to achieve by putting these so called safe sightings in place? if you're on my honest opinion, this is a public relations exercise. this is giving is real, the option of being able to say internationally in different west and capitals that look we're doing everything we can to take care of civilians and gaza like you us.

of course it's not true. um, the evidence is there for everybody to see very, very plainly that when it comes to quote unquote, till actual damage the calculations have a completely changed since the previous conflicts and indeed many other conflicts around the world. we already saw this in front of the details report from the $97.00 to magazine, but also other indications of this from, of the reports where a single, how much individual that's being targeted, seeming the justifies in quotation marks and the collateral damage of dozens. if not hundreds of innocent civilians that happen to be in the same area. and i one year all get some of the some this, this is like saying there's a school with a shooter inside an order to take out the shooter. we decide that we're going to destroy the school year. but as we've seen, a julie is really, really truthful, says people to move to the so called cyber science as we sort at the beginning of the ground invasion. they pushed or tried to force everyone in the north to move

south, and we've seen people displace time and time again. but then it goes on to both of those areas that i've asked people to move and once of cool them safe sons. is there a fear that this is going to happen again? like i find that no class so sorry for girls. all right, let me just find you a bounce to our own collision, right? we have lost more than 130 colleagues. half of them. half of them were caring, nothing the north. okay, but we're clearing the in the middle areas. i'm in the southern areas, this is just one example that no place is safe. no place is safe and the only way out of this, and by the way, there is no humanitarian solution. the only way out of this is a human to can see is fine. this is what needs to happen because we've seen doing the human to to impose one 4th. it was but we managed to 1st one. people have finally find that me some rest by the end. some come after 50 boot 10 days after 50

days of heavy they have some commer bestbuy and we managed to get in some humanitarian supplies, find any including fuel. and so we need to go back to that as a, as a minimum fonts. what we need to push for is a human to turn ceasefire yet, and we've just seen much of the world. uh cool for that location. i can see that you want to jump in. what would you like to? i just, i do want to dump in because if we are picking up a bigger picture, then there is an actual easy answer to uh, to help the people at this time. and that is to open the boat up, allowing them to go to the hook crossing show during the sign the on to is it looks, initials, military company. so if you're talking about public relations, we all, because this war is not just in fact, in the back of the scenes of godaddy to the fact that the tv screens around the, around the world. but then what we're seeing is the default people are probably starting are being held hostage in the adults,

but both sides. so it just the border, but it's easy for them to do see, and that's how old is the content on the site. yeah, so i think it's right, that is meant to be just our support. it's a 10 page, but to be honest, but it no way to find things from us, you know, highly organized the area and keeps and being stupid mistake. sabrina's time would upset. you've seen other walls around the world where to pick and shut in. they've been countries and i don't understand why we need both of us to a lot of these. but it does all the same people they want. millions of people do go to work. so there's the bigger picture into, into mind as well. okay. dr. kelly. uh, do you want to jump in there because what do you make because of that the, the rough across i do, i do being open, i do in egypt to allowing potentially millions of palestinians to, to sit up kemp of it. okay, so there are 2 things here. the 1st reason, as sort of the 1st point that i want to make is that there's

a very good reason why egypt has been represent to open up or off off completely. and i say completely because they've actually opened up quite significantly. and that's because they don't want to be part to 2 ethnic cleansing. they know very well that historically speaking with palestinians leave their lives in palestine, they're never allowed to go back. so that's, that's the point. number one, point number 2, there was 7 land crossings around the godsa 7, not one, not rough on there. $76.00 out of those 7 land crossings are controlled completely 150 percent by these rabies. they refused to open up any of those aligned products if you want to talk about opening up the board so that people can take shelter in safe areas. i'm sorry, there are 6 other line crossings that these raise refused to touch, and they could easily open up in order to allow students to shelter their instead of forcing them into these tiny little quote unquote safe zones in gaza. and then forcing them again to flee down to, to the south so that it can force them into the sign i and then never allow them

back. julia, what is the owner is position when it comes to opening up the crossing and allowing palestinians to, to leave cancer. okay, right now our top priority is to assist people in science because we have more than 1200000 people who are in shelters. we need to bring in more supplies, we need to bring in more so many time personnel and we need fuel. and this is exactly the focus right now. do not jump in. yes. place it of the talking but says owns is i think dangerous. but the implication of it, from my experience, for example involving iraq a and that's where it is when you talk about the safe zone. well, the implication is that it's all good to carry on fighting and feeling as a video to outside the safe. so. so what happens is when you pick a slope, so you have the in the ocean that, uh, as you can turn it off, i think so, but i don't sickly. it's dangerous. starbucks excelled,

especially when people agree download, imagine solutions. it's not possible to create the safe zone here. so i actually agree that much about border crossing. that is the truth. all 12 i've tried to do the palestinians, and then i'm going to respond to students and these rest of his bus johnson being. yep, the way a good. but let's be clear. let's be clear. are we interested in saving lives, or are we interested in political blustery? oh or this is right. oh, aren't this palestine? i'm impressed. it doesn't mention are you saving lives? i don't have big brands in going more people like doing this. if you are allowing me to, that's a trick this people not allowed in any risk, do not know anything of what i'm going to do next. we're going to see them to the appointment. let's see, assuming a drawing. right. so stop, stop about the genocide in the lens. you can swap the interest in the supply of the people upon the sun. then we should look at the mountain inside the political

cluster that has going on. but because the speed of people out of work goes up because they're not below back the go back because it will be dead inside the home page. so i think scott best have to work on the b, but look on the refugees. all alex hasn't done in many other civilized will not. sounds good places are on the, on the work on just a political, it does no more a little that's good again. but if you guys should, well, delivery countries, the slot to baton is the thing for the city and refugees open to the it's all right to them like israel barbara, it's a war crimes and so on. but it's also like to say, i don't know strange temper, just let her daughter do into about their responsibilities in terms of allowing stucco and safety to refugees and worry about the remote returning to gauze when there are some kind of things left to return. okay, dr. kelly,

what do you make of that? that the people inside guys are just political pulling the sweat from all sides at this point in time. and that the arab states actually need to step up and do more here. so i want to make this clear a when it comes to the people of god. so i'm not sure that they have any friends anywhere. and i think unfortunately they've been made very well aware of that. not simply the last few months, but in the past few decades. okay, when we talk about having a comprehensive solution to all of this, i think we need to be clear. the people have caused zillow to live in 6, your stable as secure and stable situation in the strip, and they ought not to be forced to make the choice between fleeing the strip and never returning or dying there in. so i appreciate very much the point that was made, that if there is no way for them to be in the strip safely than they ought to be, provide that temporary residence somewhere else where they can be safe. but again, i'm not surprised that there is this incredible reticence for egypt to open up the

border because they know that historically speaking again, there is no situation where power students have been forced to leave their land in palestine and ever be allowed to return. i frankly suspect that if the board is, were opened up, you wouldn't see everybody just li, i think there'd be a lot of people that would decide to actually stay because they'd prefer to stay on their line. mm hm. but uh, the, the, the, the historical ramifications of a sort, the sort of historical precedents here, i think of what really are what's holding things up. and i also think that again, you know, your other guests. and he said he also agrees that miserable to open up other border crossings. well, let's be clear. this is not something that the overwhelming majority of the calls have been over the past 8 weeks, is only being about open on the boat as a a to egypt. and at the same time that that is going on, you have very clear indications from israeli officials saying they're going to try to push out the palestinians from godsa and force them to leave permanent to be

going to gauze and then go to wherever else. okay, where the and this has been made very clear by is really officials. so again, you know, when you have that very clear discourse and language from the highest levels of these really states, talking about permanent exposure, permanent displacement. i'm not surprised that people in cairo are very reticent to open up the board, isn't that way on, on the culture are trying to get to monitor in a, in a, again, if it's a choice between, you know, dest inside the territory and refugee status outside of it, i know what i would choose, but that's not a choice for me to make necessary. no, indeed. julie, i want to go back to something that to, to, to how do you said at the beginning of what he was saying there, that the palestinians have no friends anywhere. obviously you've spent a lot of time inside gaza, or in speaking to, to people. i'm sure on the,

on an hourly basis over the last 2 months. is that what it feels like for people in their paper and the feeling extremely isolated, abandoned people in gowns. i'm feeling baths and to those feelings become deeper and deeper as well as the work continues, but also every time there's a telecomm scott and let's not forget there's been so far for times of telecom scotts where people are completely cut off from each other inside guns i imagine being in the middle of a was on and you cannot cool in an ambulance and you cannot go to the doctor and you cannot quote for help or you cannot check in on your mother on your father, on your friend, on your neighbor. there is no internet and you are completely cut off from the rest of the world. so there is definitely a sense of abandonment and installation. yeah. and the doctor in the kitchen. do

you think that that was as well as plan all along? did that? we're just going to keep forcing people further in fear of the south, basically rounding up the civilian population and squeezing them over over the course of this role since the ground invasion. well, that's the way it looks. but you know, before people start talking about that's been cleansing. and genocide which i know is, are trending on the, on the assumption that doesn't let us understand that this is a war which can only be fought in the way it is been for. in fact, i'm not in probably just what is ram urgent in the country on the country. but the point is actually, if there was, if there's really not taking some precautions, a number of coverage, you'd even worse of them don't know. and it's bad enough as it is, and that's all to be very clear. if students do not have any friends in the region quoted the state to them at least stop victory, the rest of the world about didn't start doing something practical about what's

happening. you will be supporting a single, it's a job, it's a water to politics. is water puncture is a lot of religion. it's a lot of government. what else? and that's being felt on the bodies of the women and children demand a quote, unquote god. now that's what's happening and so we have success and even we have totally into the truck with the bathing the not a subject on the side. so one second here, monitoring this and imagine not the result. imagine solution this, i got paperless, i know these guys currently, i used to live in terms of the voltage is a violation of into not to look at, you know, a friend from the principal. you know that, that the normal things, you know, this is a violation of international law in the same way that is written by the committing the international law. there are as to the on the border there in 1994, picking one of the under the table. when a 1000000 people will think the generous like to go to, why are you doing with many millions of people will say good when,

but people will go back. but why did the peas in the, in the why the region? so i think we're still pretty well supplied with this kind of a to start position. just keep, you know, we, i'm not, yeah. forgetting that the only way if you ever, if you might be to do part house big names on the suffering people. okay. because i don't want to do to use, let them let them go, but it's just a live and let us then to remain to fight for peace. another good. okay. to, to how do you, i know, i can say that you, it's going to, it's a jump back in here. what do you use mac, if it was added, do you think that this is just the proxy war? no, i don't think it's a proxy. well, i think that you've had, i mean, of course, there are people that wants to pursue their own agendas. of course that's true. um, but i think that the route of this problem, of course, is an occupation. and i would question tremendously the idea that people to expect that if postings, leave god so that they're going to be a lot to go back. one does put some cold peace in the region. there have been

palestinian refugees since 1948. no palestinian refugee population has been allowed to return at any point in that time, you know whether it was due to 48, whether it's due to 67 and anything in between. all right, so um no, i think that there is a very genuine concern. i think the concern is, is very justifiable, that if they do leave they will not be able to go back and forth. and again, i want to re emphasize this point. i appreciate the idea that we ought to be requesting egypt to open that one border. there are 7 land borders. i want to see the same sort of pressure being applied for each of those other land borders. and even in this conversation, i do not see that. okay, thank you. we'll have to leave today we've, we've run out of time, but we really do appreciate all your time and input julia to the kish capella and how the a thank you and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time

by visiting a website. i'll just share adult calm and to further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x l handle is at a inside story. for may tell mccrae and the whole team here, bye for now. the of what you're looking at. this is one of the breach points through which how much flight just came in as well. warning sirens. here is a s like some slight y'all just has remarkably intensified during the last couple of hours. we've seen these as strikes really concentrated on residential phones in residential buildings. there's a dangerous times, you can have regional spillover,

of course, as long as the conversation here is a minute. inside the hospital then without oxygen, without electricity, the beavers inside their dying. for now, less than an hour away from the efficient start of the ceasefire. 50 feet caps. it's 4 feet really over. say periods. one more batch of prisoners. people one, a permanent fired woman of the freedom man or the

yeah, that's just the a desperate search for survivors and gauze on the gauzy of rescue. jean. yeah, this is really strikes have kills at least 22 people, women and children are among the other. there i'm just all the attain. this is all just direct line from to also coming less with know, went to hide people in garza trying to city the fighting. describe it as the johnny

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