of least important job that he was doing exactly seems to be the beginning of this war. it was clear that the press would be silenced, that there would be a station on the press as well, at present in. not only that, they don't always have, they will release him by this time, but preventing generalize from other places to to, to reach gus, upland progressive to report what was going on there. and this is tim, i think i've talked to the press. it's not something randomly, it's something that this seems to be a pre organized pre that their mind. and on the other hand, it demonstrates that there is no profession, no place say for anybody. and there you can guess either you are doing a lease or a doctor or do have any other profession. and we just tend to the conflict itself for a moment more than $18000.00 palestinians killed. now in a 2 months of this war, it does seem, is this point that there is no end to this because we're not hearing anything new on the negotiation side of any attempts to, to,

to mediate another sweet spot. know, i'm in the negotiation. stop the some time to go over the, the price or in the restaurant present even though is increasing from the community the, the boat in the, in the in that is and allow some of the shows and the friends that you'd be friends from the $120.00 to $153.00 boats as supporting the adverse solution that'd be suppressed. sending that you still have to, to guarantee the safety of the 2000000000. but however, the, and that's what i'll um into and said with the cost of the, you know, the initial was not able to reach an agreement because of the rejection of the united states. even though again, by then on how many companies have to have changed since to some extent, the pricing much more your stress. but on the, on the ground, we don't see any difference just briefly in the end itself, 30 seconds that we, we have a left. how do you see this playing out then just in, in, in the next few weeks? a, as far as again, as far as the else,

how many copies of you have coming to me it's, and it's on yahoo! i'm not coming back with the to your message to him and funny. i would that this kind of continue and this would not change. as soon the band came with a clear message. he came back saying that he agreed with the timeline that they made me a who gave when by them last week said that he was not happy with which on his account or for the moment. thanks very much and that's it for me. has him seek it for an hour. my reminder, you can keep up to date with all of the news on our website. as a z, a dot com will be. c at the top of the hour, with much more coverage of a rule on does that and um, and our top story uh, the desk. i just need a cameraman cemetery. i will duck cover was killed down in his riley missile strikes in color gauze and stay with us here. on the minutes of the world, slow down, we stand for as homes with tips of global nickel reserves. indonesia is points to

leave the global, the battery industry. we definitely manage our abundant resources and play a role in solar energy. harnessing offerings, 75 percent of global carbon credit suspension committed to environmental protection, enhancing investment climate, digital licensing, your better tomorrow. as united states continues to back israel's war on gaza, we explore what's behind this unequivocal support and ask whether it is level of hopefully a plays a part in u. s. foreign policy. that conversation is coming up with 1st. israel continues its deadly assault on gaza and increases refreshing in the west bank. one of the hopes for peace last the former negotiator for the palestinian liberation organization and a former minister for the past the need of hardy, this week headliner. and i sent the hey dennis

that we joins us on the algae 0 bureau in ramallah finance. thank you so much for joining us on upfront. thank you, mark, it's good to be with you. israel's a saw on guys a continues to cause mass devastation and a melting humanitarian crisis. in fact, the world food programs deputy director said that 9 out of 10 people in guys that are not eating every day and a half half are starving. but last week, the united states stood alone and vetoed a un security council resolution they called for humanitarian ceasefire. despite the overwhelming support for by other countries, the u. s. deputy ambassador to the united nations told the counsel that the veto was against a quote. and that was the resolution that was divorced from reality. also saying that it would not move quote, the needle forward on the ground in any concrete way. what is your reaction to that as well? i don't know whether i can take that seriously or not. it's actually, it's,

but busters, you can't imagine that they've grown intelligent to a human being. can say these things with a straight face. if anybody is the voice commonality, it's the u. s. administration. it does biden and blinking, and there's folks people who are affecting such hollow, meaningless, ridiculous terms, that, that exposing their own loss of contact with reality. if you cannot see the 10s of thousands of people killed and does it happen or a wounded or is starving or suffering from heart if they can diseases or children who have all sorts of digestive problems because they're thinking see water or contaminated water. the odd people who are going not knowing where they are not knowing why that family's uh, it's incredible. the dimensions of proportions of the heart of that is unfolding

before our eyes. unconscionable, unfathomable, i can tell you, we cannot even, you know, think of all these things at once. and yet you have these people sitting there nicely talking about giving. is there any more time voting, i guess the ceasefire would have been sick as cease fire. stop killing, innocent civilians, stop killing men, women and children stop obliterating hard families, stop destroying everything that can sustain and maintain life, whether it's about homes, neighborhoods, infrastructure, walter bakeries, hospitals, schools, universities, everything is being distorted, system ethically and with lead. and you sit back on your talk about this being diverse, strongly ality. what happened to, i mean daily, that is something quite that's astounding. in the way they last patched whether he had left the absolutely. and they lost touch with a new sense of decency or morality. how isolated is the united states at this point

. uh, in this position i asked that because this week, uh, the you, in general assembly voted on a resolution calling for full an immediate cease fire. it passed with $153.00 boats and the international community changed it's, it's disposition to this. yes, yes, clearly there are no 2 ways about it. the one to public opinion is shifting a country is and that was states, even though so at the beginning, you know, jumped with the american instance position of maligning the palestinians and declaring that we are liars or the way of the others or whatever the no, the beginning to see the ality as it is, and at least some of them are motivated by a sense of humanity and decency by saying no, this has to stop. now the u. s. the ppo is this is 5 consistently. it's not the 1st time it uses the meter. they called for what they said then put a deposit is to bring in some food, 8 some

a aide and then to resume. this is absolutely ridiculous. this is an human you're. of course, in the west bank, you're remotely right now again from now just at a bureau and the tensions have been a consistent issue in the west bank. however, human rights watch noted, a substantial increase in the number of palestinians who have been arrested by his really authority since october 7th. more than 3000 people including miners had been arrested or placed under administrative detention since then. which brings the total number of palestinians in prison to more than $7000.00 in your view. what is the reason behind this increase? well actually have since this year since the this extremist basis dry clean coalition. and as i took over, they have been escalating, not just and the land saft, not just in house demolitions and so on,

but invades and villages and towns and getting out and put an estimate, cleansing in the west bank. and as you'd actually said, the of hundreds, now thousands of course, of the palestinians who have been detained under the cologne in a administrative detention system in which people are detained without evidence without trying. busy about the heating without charges without any kind of defense . so it is a way of exercising control. it's a way of again, getting more and more cards in this game that the playing and or the to say, well look, we've exchanged one for one or whatever. they have now close to 8000 prisoners and, and, or that and using is a new j's, and they want to use them for exchange, what they could have prevented this escalation. and this hotter that we're going by agreeing for the exchange of prisoners hostages, or they sent me is by saying ok,

this statement on the floor on the lease of captives. we went through an issue of captives, what i'm thinking about the consequences of these conditions. in light of any vision of future negotiations, you're talking about thousands of people in prison. you're talking about 18000 people did, according to guys as health ministry. and since october 7th, as you mentioned, lots of stuff happened before october 7th that we also have to take seriously in light of hunger and light of incarceration in light of mass death and light of all of this stuff up. how do you think about future negotiations? with israel, what's the calculus moving forward now? what's possible, i think talking about negotiations is really not the only unrealistic. it is really and send it to the suffering and pain of people from the beginning. we kept talking about, you know, not being able to have negotiations and the situation of

a symmetry that is at the lack of balance and occupied people cannot negotiate with that occupier. so we kept telling people's back because the okay by impalas has an influence and has bothered over the occupied to have no dice whatsoever. so you cannot ask a people, i'm the occupations to ask that occupied for permission to be for the not only don't they want us to be free as a separate colonial system. they want to take our land without the people, and they want to maintain the system of, of control and then when full infliction of fame and know nothing, you know, and his government, they say this openly, that can be no negotiations. that can be no palestinian state, no 70. we do not accept any of these by listed in the those. whether that how about us or fedex or anybody else? now this thing, something very serious of talking about the palestinian police and security as being also the enemy. so that pretty bad things advance for an escalation on the

west bank. and of course they have totally destroyed guys. so who's going to negotiate? what with whom i think it's the responsibility of the international community and the cabinets and the siege of guys on the west bank and the occupation. and then you can talk about peace based on international law. and the recognition of palestinian died as equally people who deserves. as i said, freedom, that dignity is that back to self determination and not as 2nd don't serve class citizens in apartheid state that is trying to superimpose because they took his hand on all of his started gonzales time. it's not going to work and to talk about peace negotiations as to step so that this because of the moment you talk about the world community watching, all of this happened over the last few years. it's been shown that youth opinion, particularly the west, has shifted toward

a more sympathetic view of palestine. even the former is really prime minister, a hoot, but our express concern over this change or political uh, quote, listen to the public tone. we are losing public opinion in europe. are you seeing that shift? and does that give you any hope for a different kind of future and a different kind of political reality? absolutely, because for decades, for years is it, i have the 40 sway the fully power to shape public this course, it had its own a bunch of stuff. again, the machines, it has its own influence, especially in mainstream media and, and is really not a to them to is a new version was constantly the dominant one on the palestinians. what is that invisible or silent? starting my line then then labeled and so on. gradually, now, with of course, with social media and with access to information and knowledge,

and with the ability to network and understand and with the south. also speaking of because of the global south now is becoming more volk and the sort of dominant. why to, to be in christian mentality is no longer the, the ruler of that was so to speak. and now throughout the west, the people advising that people are understanding the nature of the palestinian cause. the fact that we are an indigent is people being it a, so to speak. and then i then no protest by a colonial part. because to us is then, is a cult as an offshoot of colonialism and the they are beginning to speak out and they've refused to listen to their own governments. so they've challenged that on governments as we saw in london and by this and different places. the younger generations questioning not asking, are seeking thoughts and knowledge and not reaching out. and this is what gives them power, that they are not easily intimidated. and they are seeking their own voice and the

seeking partnerships and networks. and that's what makes a difference. now that's a hernandez what are we? thank you so much for joining us in upfront. thank you, mike. it's good to be with you as a debt, paul and palestine continues to mount. the united states maintains it started support of israel's war on guys. a washington stance has come under heavy criticism in some question why palestinian lives don't seem to be valued in the same way as those of victims of other conflicts. so is there a double standard when it comes to palestinian victims of what do you want me to discuss? this? are the authors of a recent report? what, how is level phobia shapes u. s. foreign policy? so how to of these is the distinguished professor of law and middle east legal studies at rutgers university and author of the racial muslim. when racism quiet is religious, freedom ross enjoyed by mitchell politic president of re thinking foreign policy and co director of jewish voice for peace is also the author of except for

palestine. the limits of progressive politics, of which i am, of course, a co author. so good to see both of you. so what i'm going to start with you in this report you to mentioned is, lemme phobia is a ubiquitous ingredient in u. s. policy. that's what bracket and phrase we mean. you pick what it's ingredient, essentially since 911. so over 22 years, the american foreign policy and national security policies has been had been centered around the vilification of most loans and the list on body. and originally from as terrorist violent anti american liberal massage domestic and also anti semitic. and as a result, the entire society has been primed and socialized by the media, by schools, by politicians, and the rhetoric to presume that most ones are outside of use. there was

threat. and part of that by there is ation of most lows is this falls, teaching of americans that most of us are taught to hate. you said this when teachers muscles to a tooth and that is racist. right? and unfortunately then what happens is when a muslim or the era wants to engage in human rights, advocacy wants to engage in foreign policy. dissent or critiques. that in any way, criticize the state of israel's practices and policies weren't in any way defend the palace. do you use human rights? they're automatically placed in this to solve for withdrawal back. oh, your motivations are anti submitted. they're not actually liberal values to support human rights for all people, including outstanding. how does this play out in foreign policy? mitchell? how does this notion that muslims are naturally disposed toward homophobia?

liberalism barbarity is that, or how does this stuff play out inform policy? well, i think, you know what, we're, we're seeing a really good example of it. i think unfortunately, right now with the uh, bombardment of gaza we, the approach of american law makers has been that israel is entitled to do what uh, what is doing. um, even if, if, even if they say that if causing a few too many civilian casualties, which is a, you know, frankly, an important statement. it's minimization of the devastation and gaza. it, it's demonstrating how little value is placed on palestinian lives and how easy it is that kind of things are read as muslim because obviously the pass that in christians have house introduced. yeah, i mean that was one of the things we actually opened the report by by saying we're, we're using it as obviously a very broadly. and we're using it to include anti arab uh, bigotry as well as anti palestinian. specifically ad palestinian basically with the

understanding that it's a particular dynamic and the assignments of the troops are applied to all arabs. but right now we're seeing how easily that uh, our political leaders are just treating palestinian lives as disposable and as worthless. yeah, you can contrast it with the statement about the a mass attack on, on october 7th, where there is correct in my view and an absolutely justified outrage at the atrocities and the mass squared. that was committed on that day as there should be . because people are the people are valuing is rarely lives as all lives should be valued. we're not seeing the same thing when it comes to the people of gaza or the people of the west bank. we're not seeing anything like that. and that is the result of years and years in here is assigned to, so it'd be at the hour of racism being pumped into our discourse, into our media and into our policy discussions so hard. i've also noticed the

language that's used to talk about some aspects of the language has been used to talk about the as rarely space. people are very matter of factly using words like barbaric and civilized talk about mass and not just how mass but also people who are living in god. so how does that kind of language? how does that kind of framing help sort of normalize these really respond? in other words, it's use which is like if we see them is not human, does it make it easier to bottom them? it doesn't make it easier to see them as collateral damage? well, history didn't start on october 7th, and some of phobia didn't start even on in 2001 on 911. so one of the american government has always done to persuade its people to support violence that actually contradicts the very values they are taught in schools, which is a quality human rights. human dignity equal opportunity is to characterize the enemy as barbaric, savage and civilized,

and therefore this vilification of the most warm and the air of and the 1000 you must exist in order for israel to per proceed. the unconditional support because it's seen as an outpost of white america, an outpost of european civilization. and the palestinians are seen as the extension of this pre 911 at pre, even colonial era of the class of civilizations between the christian west and the most long beast. so all of this is, is unsurprising. i think what is shocking to many of us will study this shepherd. history is this degree in which, uh, the best way. these are tooling palestinians, the rate at which they're dying or being till so the, the more crimes are clear why the is ready to be signed and yes, how message committed? we're puns 2. but in contrast, we condense, remember this,

we don't fund a mess and we value the pathways, randy victims and the hostages in their lives. but we treat the palestinians as if in the words of one of these rarely officials as human animals and shame on us for doing that. the we in the us that you're referring to is the united states. and this comes up in the report as well. michel, because you talk about a, i radicalized double standard, which is called the most acute for most of them are arab americans when they exercise their free speech rights to criticize the us government's failure to hold is real accountable for the actions. could you elaborate on what you mean when you all say a radicalized double standard? i think we saw a great example of that in congress recently. have yeah, just a few weeks ago. yeah. century and a member of the house is a rare occurrence outside of 6 people, 6 people and 3 of them were, were, were people who supported the confederacy. right? so outside of that issue,

there's always receive it to be the only posting in american and congress became only the 3rd a person to be censured. and what was she centered for? essentially rashida was censured for standing up proposed to me. right. this is exactly what we're talking about when i and regina is a muslim and she spoke up for her people. i think this is a absolutely certainly example of what we're talking about in the report that if you are muscle and you are, you are going to be, you're going to be centered for, for speaking of for human rights. and you're particularly going to be accused of anti semitism. if you stand up for palestinian rights, this is the iron need of the, of what is being done. the the accusation against receive it to leave for that that she is anti semitic because she stood up for palestinian rights. that is itself at this time it is because it presumes that that jewish and this is a line with the violence of these. right. exactly. and, and, and essentially,

stigmatizes, anyone who stands for universal human rights because there is supposed to be as, as, as was put in our book at an exception for palestine that and that, again, is after semitic because you are, you are somehow singling, this is where you're singling out jewish people for special treatment and what it looks like, you're doing us a favor. what you're actually doing is presenting resentment. we seen this repeated throughout particularly european jewish history, where jews get certain protections from the ruling class for a certain amount of time. and when there is a pressure on that ruling class and they want to ship blame to the jews, they say, look how they took advantage of you and look how much better they had it while you were suffering in your peasantry. is it the same dynamic repeating itself? and it's using palestinian blood to do it, which makes it, i think a double crime. so it's a heart you psych muslims and jews are often pitted against each other in what you call a 0 sum game. but what do you mean are?

well, jews and muslims are not raised or taught to a teacher. and in fact, if we were to talk about the history of the experiences of the jewish people, you would find back their treatment was much, much better in most of majority countries than it was in christian majority countries and in europe. but also they share many values, either based on the safety of a political ideological commitments or even religious commitments. and when you, when you define incorrectly anti semitism, this opposition to a political ideology. in this case, political zion is a, or if you define anti semitism incorrectly as an opposition to a state practices and policies, in this case, the state of israel, what you do is you create a unnecessary false wedge between muslims and jews. so how does,

does the recent house resolution make this even more complicated? cuz i hear what you're saying here. both of you were saying, right, which is this isn't that hard? anti semitism is the agent in violence against use for being jewish. and then there are critiques of israel, their questions about zionism, etc, which are different. there is a very real rise in anti semitism that has occurred around the world both before october, 7th and certainly afterward. but then you have a house resolution house resolution 89 for which explicitly states that the, that anti zionism is anti semitism. is that dangerous? and if so, why this? this solution reflects politics in america. it reflects the one sided support for a particular country. and on politicians, opposition to the human rights, human dignity of the palestinian people. if you look at the organizations that are tracking the amount of incidence and so lights discrimination cases and

complaints. but most women and students in college, it doesn't work place as the council on american islamic relations. for example, the affair of american and kind of defamation committee most will advocate their numerous non profit organizations that sure most of their salvation communities. and they have shown that the number of hate incidence and bias incidence has risen back on those matter over 200 percent in the last 8 months. why isn't congress concerned about that? population of the american citizens? so i think it's telling, but they have apps, they seem to care about religious bigotry, but only for one group unless they missed a finance. and they don't care about religious bigotry against muslims when it is rising and equally startling level in the united states. all right, then i have to be the last where there's a header as these politic. thanks so much for joining been upfront. all right,

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