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welcome to the program. and so he'll robin. this is the 1st major step in ukraine's bid for loan, sold off to membership. it's a european union. the block salita is mess in brussels on thursday to approve accession tools for both ukraine and multi, but it's been have as a victory n t much needed. one way of it's counter offensive against russian falls is struggling in the east. but it's a single step on the long road to membership and came with a reminder. the rest of the path will be difficult. we'll discuss this with all guessing in may with the 1st for the call. has this report political victory for ukraine, but it didn't come easy. the main opponent to at joining the european union hungry is victor or ben left the room just before a vote among you leaders and brussels that didn't dampen their enthusiasm. this in the bottom to where you want to support recruiting piece of it was for, for the quarter till a senior. so we both went to
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a decision and today and tonight i think to the people from you free, we are on the side and piece of decision made by the members. it's extremely important for the tribute of their opinions. this talks and ukraine becoming a fault. you member, are expected to take years, the cost to the budget, and the impact of such a large country entering europe a single market are likely to be key sticking points. so near the samples, i'll try to figure out what this is a massive job to integrate the state all the institutions, all the knowns, all of it's in europe and union, but we'll do it. ukraine's repeatedly prove what we're capable of to be another victorious decision. the time will come when will be able to celebrate ukraine's decision to the use of will be chesko is more but ukraine is facing mounting pressure on many fronts after the a session, so new cranes favor a key funding vote went the other way. hungry has blocked it from receiving
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a $55000000000.00 a package. and in the us, ukraine's largest single toner republicans are holding up more than $60000000000.00 and $8.00, seeking concessions from president joe biden. a counter offensive launched by ukraine's army against russian forces in june has failed to achieve any of its goals intended before winter. it's back on the defensive with russian forces gradually making advances in the eastern done yes, providence. a decade on from the pro year of my den protest, widely seen as the start of its contract with russia. ukraine has come a major step closer to joining the you for the a car. how to 0 for inside stored. going to even use has been welcome to cautiously many to see it as a step forward for both ukraine and europe. rough mcbride has more. so you crane this has been a summit of mixed fortunes. yes, paving. the way for you,
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accession is very welcome here. but the blocking by hungry of 50000000000, you'll rows in long term funding is a bit to blow. the hope is now that the 26 member states of the you who do want to see this funding go ahead can come up with some kind of compromise deal in the weeks ahead. but it comes on the back of the disappointments of a lot them is a landscape visit to washington where it gets billions of us dollars in funding is being held up in congress money which ukraine desperately needs created. the world is dependent on ukraine and should help us because best of a, as a living shield for the hood of europe to missile queen, they don't understand that the russians will give up. they'll go into poland bowl. so if we don't stop them, let me know back in ukraine. so lensky has been concentrating on the positive, especially the possibility of e u membership, which is at the roots of a lot of the acrimony between keith and most go, describing it as
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a victory that motivates, inspires and strengthens which ukraine will certainly need in the weeks ahead public, right. the inside story in keith. so let's bring it august for today's discussion on inside story from brussels, where the membership talks took place. we have did i come back home, professor of international relations, the school of law and government, dublin city university from london. we're drawing by money is keana, had of regional security and conflict studies on the democratic initiative, sunday sion thing time. she is also the research fellow on ukraine at the london school of economics and from ballad that was found and editor in chief of the n e. in tell the new site business media company and full of mosca bureau chief with the daily telegraph to all of our guest. thanks. joining us on inside story, dr. typing starts with you actually own is what well really in the ranks of the
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e. u and this will concern ukraine. you'll have to judge where the thursday's news of accession tools installed, funding already a blessing or a cost and the show time loan to well it's, it's been a bitter sweet so much for, for your training and use because this is a historic moment to kind of get away from that, the role to be membership is now open to train. and us, your report indicated this is, you know, 10 years since the, you are my don protests in, in ukraine, which in many ways precipitation was the conflict with russia because you cream was making clear it's intention to move west square. so this is an important milestone and part of the step in that direction. but there are huge obstacles to overcome, not least the opposition of the home, gary and prime minister victor or bon pru again is your report indicated a has objected to additional funding. i mean, more than 50000000000 euro being provided to a crane and what he's doing is he's exploring an institutional weakness to within
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the european union. the fact that we require consensus, we were part of the name is a show. and victor obama has been a very strong ally of the truth when it comes to use policy towards the north carolina and just jump in and we will actually get more into that in depth to join the conversation. just wanna get a brief ideas. so let me just go to maria also in london, your general feeling up about these like session talks in the announcement, a good thing, a bad thing for you credit. and what you do perspective is where you, it gets absolutely positive saying i need to use what the ukranian society struggling for. i would remind you that the exception to the european union has been prevailing scenes and age to thousands of little were any kind of political or mutually union with russia even before 2014 the but after 2 $1014.00 and especially that the 2022 large scale invasion, so in all the regions occupying as pool sub absolute majority of the local
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population, heated to 90 percent, on average, around the country are also put in joining the european union. so this is a big victory for ukraine in europe getting union. now, okay, been a result, it's got an overview for me. mean totes already the 1st step really to full membership is we've mentioned that the top of his pregnant is not a done deal. but the funding for defense, if you crane against russia, will be of concerned as much to keys as it will be to most go. this is i, i'd say the decision to clear the way to begin the session. so it is last the symbolic and so much is nobody expects you crying to join the for at least for years, if not decades. it's a long process, a lot of changes let her phones have to happen. nevertheless, the funding issue that's the key here is so much is we're seeing all of the funding in the ukraine is now caught up in various like snags in the us, the supposed to put through a bite and proposed the $61000000000.00 package,
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which has got caught up in congress and so by and has just blocks the release of the use package, $50000000000.00 euros. it's about him also in his country. one thing funds that are being held up by the e. u. so you might seats, blocking this scenario with, uh, steve, is it a blackmail technique? how many people suspect it is? but the problem with black mailers is subject, if you paid them off, once you think the advice for you, no further act. so blackmail and you know, the optics didn't look good. i mean, the, you know, the day before yesterday, more than 10000000000 in you cohesion phones was on frozen. i promised to be delivered to, to, to budapest or bands government. and the very next day or band found this, you know, mechanism part by he could still maintain his own principles. opposition to opening talks with ukraine by accenting himself from the room. so he didn't agree to it, but he didn't use his visa,
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but the problem remains and he can use that. these are with any stage along the road or the use. are you per things talk to to be you membership. so this was a problem the way it's starting much aligned, maria in london, how much of a problem or an upset would this be full key to see hungry take this particular position and it's lead? is it, is it a worrying aspect full precedence landscape or is it something that he can over come pops with $1.00 to $1.00 talks a switch i believe, for ukraine such a destructive position, a part of the real life big the whole organ demonstrated before the day of hugo study is not a problem just for your crime, but for the full european union, because everyone is direct into some kind of a trap. when one country can bull very significant and decision for these domestic political reasons. and actually there was follow the press. uh so let's say very
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legitimate press on the old from used to the which allow actually to unblock the political process. but for you pray, i'm sorry, the mainland for which used to be as much constructive as possible. and several days before this, the yesterday sacrament. ukraine has adopted a piece of legislation on national minority rights in ukraine. best peace which fix that for them personally and his political power. in fact, in hungary were speculating about 4 years and years and they were claiming that they're worried about national bundle or direct ukraine. and them just several days before the summer degraded, adopted every scene which the veneer commission and which your appealing commission and the vice ukraine. and all this is kind of the, the, the tactics which the crane is going to use further to be very technical to adopt the decisions the recommendations on the side of the european commission and to prepare for the recommendations dog before march 2024. when the formal
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decision on the legal station for the free will, will be developed and should, but you're getting commission and should be adopted. and you must do it again by all the members states. indeed, a lot of the technical, a diplomatic speak here as well. and maybe if we've talked about accession now to a certain extent, everything is interlinked in this particular edition of inside story. but not we don't want to just go back in to 20. 23, much was made about the spring defensive. it's all about funding. it's all about money and the advances that should be made during the summer. it didn't happen as quickly as europe and the states of washington would have liked them with heading towards another with winter. dare i say it of discontent, or stand off the money that may be pledged to ukraine, and the tools that are on getting a will have to own go into january 2020 full of all possible much lodge a jigsaw puzzles to try and solving this impasse in central europe of the cancer
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expensive of the summer, i was a big disappointment. everyone was hoping for. another spectacular breakthrough, like we saw a lot of september with hockey defensive, a ukrainian smashed through the rest of the lines and, and basically rast, the rest of the army that didn't happen. russia was given whatever it was 6 months to build for medical expenses. and those cold and then last raise the question with a disappointment of the lack of progress where people study to us. where do we go from here? it has a science, it ends. i mean, the, then the ministry of offices and the idea with 9. so it was to put ukraine into the strongest possible position when negotiating eventually stopped, and his position hasn't changed. and that's led to some ukraine for take um, and we've seen the funding, smiled up in the congress. $61000000000.00 a bite and was proposing and also problems with the 50 foot in the the us supposed to be giving. however, i mean we have to be clear head, so there's 2 separate issues. one was the session and the hungry has an absolute be
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so funny said the members have to say yes, eat punched it by working out the room when the vote was taken. but the issue with the 50 penny and there are what correct. there isn't so much as you could break that some into smaller pots, and then governments, so to southern level, could raise that and they're independent. they could states do that, and then that could be paid. and so you kind of in funds so well, band conflict that one entirely, but i think that's my colleague suggested there's a certain amount of blackmail going here that already the signed off. i'm releasing 10000000000 funds that simpler than yours to so hungry. but all of them is holding out, there's a total of $30000000000.00 that's been pros and it's operating at the level as the national interest to the hungry is national interest. they. they wants to get their hands on that money. and those the executive e u level, whereby they wants to support your crime. but as, as you use not a federated political organization, there's not formal tools to do that. so the you are also black meeting or bad by holding back these phones. and date of the thing is a,
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is i come to the right. yes. what's really interesting here is that while there was an impasse in washington and in brussels, maria in moscow, the president who held the press conference on 1st day is like a state of the nation address sweetie. and a question and answer for his public at large to ask him questions about the situation in his own country and the cost of what we need ukraine. she seems to be quite happy at the moment from all accounts. he says things are going to brushes, plans that will be more offensive. his so teacher cooperation has not ended. it felt like a bit of gamesmanship. it felt like putin was putting all the bravado. what was your assessments about considering she knows now how washington and brussels all bickering to a certain extent over money is one of the main goal is a process that used to deprive and ukraine of wisdom, newer treat and financial support. because in that case, russia will be able to organize and not there like a scale at tech,
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which we just need to reach the failed on in february 2022 and then doing every scene. and that's what all the performances are present during the bill. but when the proficiency is just about that, to me, the flow offer what prompts and military and implemented support to ukraine decrees and then just to capture what they failed to capture previously. but in this regard, there was a big hit on the rush. this policy with the a decision that ukraine is not a green zone between european union and ross up the says field shared your member state. and that's why older financial is systems coming to ukraine will be in the vestment, not in the black hole, but even though the future member states. and that's why it actually, if i disagree with because the mystic assessment about these 50000000000, your financial package or your credit, which will look to deal with either budgeted with packages yesterday by the to or but i am very interested actually about that because he worked in union is not,
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that is not just limited just to, to one procedure how to send money and this has improved the issue. uh so the we can easily overcome this problem at the beginning of january on the extra order never saw it. well, i did, i did not, i was actually building a degree the before we go, come to you to not going to be just give all of us a little bit more detail about succession and what that actually means because the was looking for major to falls from t before getting close at to accession basically, and the find the games corruption and changes to its legal system. but during the day of home, things like agricultural subsidies will be just as important, sofa keeps fulfilled. 7 recommendations made by the e. u. rapid progress by may stand it so it's hide on t corruption officials for pad that you disagree for a major over hold on the line. its media legislation with e u stand is but becoming a fully fledged member, the blog is a mattress and not a sprint. tea you will have to run puppets fight against corruption,
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expand to cut down on smuggling and reform law enforcement. the best of the to ukraine last month, cold accession process, grueling keys progress will be assessed again in march to knock a can i come to you 1st because corruption is a huge issue in any country across the world. we come to think about it sold about good governance. how much of an uphill struggle does ukraine have in tackling corruption every level while it's still fighting a war as well that says you fit the name on the head. i mean, they're trying to implement lot are, you know, huge performance for, for any countries, any time. but ukraine is fighting for its various a viable. it's an existential conflict with russia while trying to carry out these reforms. and it's, it's not, it's not about money. i mean, the, with these reforms will take place over a period of time. it's 1st thing about ending the occupation in liberation, ukraine. the will be a sequencing of events and real reform can only take place in peace, time, 100 stipulation when people have returned to ukraine. the problem i think is that the use seems to, to lock
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a longer term strategy of how to help you train when at the moment it's in almost 3 . and this is a classic e. you, you might say way of doing things in managerial mold, it throws money at the problem. it's, it takes in richard cheese. it supplies some weapons with never as much as is required or, or requested. and this is really a david and goliath struggle between, you know, ukraine and, and russia, but between the 2 in russia and let's face it, ukraine is the phone line here for you're in this fight against ukraine is europe, which is the july, i mean, the rush is economy at the end of the day is somewhat bigger than spend your favorite 2 nights and focuses on an entry to pray knowledge as it is one, a potential member of the you. if it gets it's a necessary support. there's no reason why it can't help you frame in, but it hasn't just had that focus so far. and the just, just to mention what she told you on what ben was saying about western petite. i mean, it's important to put this in in perspective. i mean, what, what the west has been asked to do ultimately is to open its checkbook. where is
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that you printing? so we're dying on the front lines every day. they're the ones who are most fatigues and tired by this war. indeed, the war is an ongoing phone and the size of so many across ukraine as well as pricing on the front line very, very quickly. i did not speak just one last question on this particular subject about how quickly and how to inspire lee must president. so let's he get his house in order a residence the landscape is being controlled by not only governmental uh, governmental agencies, not only buy into correctional agencies, but also by international. wanted to respond to repeating union methods because all the money and the financial packages are how do you pray that demand that to be transparent as we use? and can you create? i would you mind that we have very little network of seagulls decides, or organizations and to corruption ones are one of the strongest in europe. so basically, i don't see any problem with transparent decision making, even in the times of the,
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even just finally having marshall in force. okay. what types of you as a little bit more context about the coke offensive that we all talked about? it's all related to this money. the 61000000000 over in the us of a 50000000000 from the u. keeps count defensive is looking incompletes invest. we've just been talking about to the best and un failing assets was 6 months in ukrainian troops. if we taken less than 250 square kilometers of land, some of the major goals were to take back the key occupied cities of militia portal and then dunst. kelly cutting off rushes, lend connection to crimea, and disrupting most k supply lines. the ukranian troops, the fall from that objective. russia has created a 2nd front line and network of defenses in the reach of region. the entire front line is not the files in columbus as long in russia has been months forward to following it. gains have been so the side of the allies, a starting to voice concerned about the ukranian fatigue that we've just been
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talking about internationally. and some mean if we need a site that will be more meaningful progress and as they can receive more advanced weaponry from the west, let me bring in. then i re say it because been one of the biggest advancements this year was about the f. 16 jets from the us that would be donated in directly from the us, sol, through a 2nd country and the support full that requires training of ukrainian 5 digit pilots officially as a center open to what's in romania just what last month does not do training, getting on in the us is as you pay re over to you really important to 2024. now if you grade, and it's key is that so the gate? i mean, if you remember in the 1st days of the will in the 1st week, so then speak to one of his video messages where he was feeling, he was pleading with the west to close the skies. and when he went,
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as far as saying that nights it will be responsible from every day, from today onwards. unless they close this guys and it's taken to used to get to these sixteen's and the only a handful of pilots being trained. and they're not going to enter the fray until next year at the earliest time, without the assess support. i mean, classic night. so stress jeezy sending interest rate, but you give them access to i'm much in the summer offense. so if you're trying to be asked to do is do a front of the so some of these very submitted to defensive positions with no echo . and consequently they're taking horrible casualties and i took them go very fucking and insightful states. i mean, the, the support we've given, well, the west has given, has been significant those many times and administrate sense. but it's always been slightly less and slightly too late. and we've not given you kind the means to win the world we've given you kind of means not to lose the was a 2 different things and the strategy up. and so now it seems to have been back exactly back to that then not to give the impression overwhelming ministry rides
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with because lying behind this is the fear that especially the turnaround, if they're losing and say actually those the nights are buttons, there's a night. so we're being attacked by 9, so what it losing and that would trigger the war. and so this has been sort of balance of a delicate balancing act going on here to make sure that you're going just and elizabeth at the same time, not provide pressure to the point where it finds it's being attacked directly by pits, or at least by proxy just it hasn't said sofa and somebody's right we have to leave . that will be interesting to see how this debate continues us both the us and the u. k. had towards the national elections and how important the ukraine will will be in the conversation. so the but we have to leave it that i think all of my guess to not to a oh by cold maria is, are tina and then iris. thanks for joining us on this edition of inside story and thank you for watching. you can see the program again, any time for visiting our website, the challenges of adult called mindful, further discussion. go to all facebook page. that's facebook dot com,
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forward slash ha. inside story you closer to like the conversation on x on handle a is a inside story for me. so hold on and the whole team here hold inside story. thanks for your time and your company, the using music and as a form of resistance during the boss and you're in the ninety's actress and mean the most interesting forms for children. and sorry about each for many people's names. it is very easy to empathize with the people of god. less than a month ago was changed to performance and we quoted pain and cut out. i felt not just duty, but an enormous desire to raise awareness about toward garza. either both the enact or is joined an initiative by the asked or theater, a non profit, public opinion, ensemble base and come out of luck. as the people who survived on the sides who
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survived the siege will survive the aggression. i think that although a gauge and to be the people will always be the 1st for a 0 voice. i'm standing in front of the saturday of a city hall, a well known monuments burns down into the water. it's been renovated just like the rest of the city, but the psychological scars of the war are self visible. here. the the
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folks know cleaned event is, is that an event been started? the we are interrupting our program and h, you live to gaza now, where mourners carrying the body of elders, they are a cameraman summit. although dhaka he was killed by and is really mississauga on friday. we believe that has 40 is being transported from nasr hospital in con eunice to a cemetery. it is surrounded by many, many loaners. now summer was pushing from you when run school in the southern city of con eunice on friday when he was hit by shrapnel. his and our colleague,
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i'll just be a guy, a guy is a bureau chief. why and i'll do was also her. he is recovering from his injuries in hospital. we can see here that one is uh, digging a grave flu. sound the dock. uh uh. the pictures on the next office clean seemed to show him being carried through the streets of garza. after his death, this is summer. i'll be back a cameraman. he was killed in an as really strike on friday. obviously. right. has released a statement about his killing sound, the was the 15th, which is here in june and this has been killed since the network launched in 1996. i'll just hear condemns in the strongest terms that is rainy drawing attack on
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a gorgeous food that resulted in the beginning of summer. it adds to the network host is real and accountable, systematically targeting and coming out to 0 journalists and their families. the pictures on the rise of the screen this seem to show that summer has been lowered a into a grave. we are not sure which cemetery summer is being buried and because it has become incredibly increasing the and incredibly difficult to bury the dead in god. more than a 2000 people that have been confirmed that since israel began its own gaza after october. the 7th algebra extends its sincere condolences to summer of a doctor's family who are in java and in belgium. some of those, he was a father,
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a husband, and he was able to get his family out of gaza into belgium. a few years ago they had relocated to belgium, but summer returned to gaza to continue his work. as a camera person, which he has, which has been has, is korea. for decades. the number of journalists and media with has killed and gaza has reached over the 19 since as well as long gods have again, often october. the 7th. the is the coughing of summer with dr. which has been lowered into into it, into a, into a grave. that's being, that's being dod. let's go to our correspondence, handyman with he's joining us live from rafa in southern gaza and had a summers desk. once again highlighting the gentlest immune from the mass kennings and gaza as they go about. they love.

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