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loading the governing amc rallied for palestine. they also demanded an end to the fighting gonzalez'. i'm thousands, march through barcelona to express their support for palestinians, spain, as among several european countries calling for lost in canada, terrance these fine, to end the conflict. keep on taking the street in order to push a government's to push politicians to end complicity with this really a pause tied in with a mask because it really is missing against the policy. and people end specifically in the spanish state. we're seeing that the spanish government is being one of the voices as being more creative with all about israel, mother and massacre against the policy and people. let's turn to some other world news now and a funeral prior to being held in kuwait for a need a shake. now of all, i was also a boss who died at the age of 86 on saturday. the burial ceremony was restricted to close family check, know off the government for the past 3 years. a 3 year old conference, jake michelle, without supply, has been named his successor. the country has ended 40 days this morning. at least
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one person has been killed in a russian drawn, striking the southern ukrainian region of a desa. the earlier ukraine authorities released fortunately to what they say was a russian joint attack on a hospital and the eastern case on region. a doctor was injured and a hospital unit damaged. moscow has denied targeting ukrainian civilian infrastructure. the u. s. migration agencies has more than 60 migrant presumed dead and an accident of libya is closed. the bose is believed to have had high waves oft assessing off from the water in northwest olivia. the international organization for migration says more than 2200 people have died this year, trying to cross the mediterranean sea, a sub in the voting and parliamentary and local elections president alexander boot, which isn't trotting, but he has been campaigning for his policy. the right way, so being progressive party is hoping to extend its
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a decade in power. but the government has faced protests over the rising cost of living. and the leaders of japan and southeast asian nations are expected to agree to grace us a choice of cooperation at a summit from the japanese capital tokyo and the 10 nations loc have increasing be focused on china's assertiveness in the south china sea. japan's prime minister emphasized the need to secure an open, international order based on the rules of goal. the leaders are also discussing boosting ties on investment and on climate issues. as always, our website algebra dot com has the latest on all of our top story stays tune upfront is coming up next on al jazeera. thank you very much for watching the the president biden says once a 2 state solution for palestinians and israelis,
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what does anybody believe it's doable? what this is real for? i'm gonna say it back to us foreign policy. and what are the long term consequences for the region and the world? a quizzical look at us politics. the bottom line as united states continues to back israel's war on gaza. we explore what's behind this unequivocal support and ask whether it is level of hopefully it plays a part in u. s. foreign policy. that conversation is coming up for the 1st. israel continues incidentally assault on gaza and increases refreshing in the west bank. one of the hopes for peace last the former negotiator for the palestinian liberation organization and a former minister for the past. anita hardy, this weeks headliner. and i sent the advantage that we joined just from the algae 0 bureau in ramallah sent it. and thank you so much for joining us on upfront. thank you, mark, it's good to be with you. israel's a saw on guys
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a continues to cause mass devastation in a mounting humanitarian crisis. in fact, the world food programs deputy director said that 9 out of 10 people in dies that are not eating every day. and a half half are starving. but last week, the united states stood alone and vetoed a un security council resolution. they called for humanitarian ceasefire. despite overwhelming support for it by other countries. the u. s. deputy ambassador to the united nations told the counsel that the veto was against a quote em balanced a resolution that was divorced from reality. also saying that it would not move quote, the needle forward on the ground in any concrete way. what is your reaction to that as well? i don't know whether i can take that seriously or not. it's actually, it's, but busters, you can't imagine that they've grown intelligent to a human being. can say these things with
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a straight face. if anybody is divorced commonality, it's the u. s. administration. it is by then and blinking. and there's folks people who are affecting such hollow, meaningless, ridiculous terms that, that exposing their own loss of contact with reality. if you cannot see the 10s of thousands of people killed and does it happen, or a wounded or a starving, or suffering from heart if they can diseases or children who have all sorts of digestive problems because they're thinking see water or contaminated water. the odd people who are going not knowing where they are not knowing why that family's. uh, it's incredible. the dimensions wrapped up portions of the heart of that is unfolding before our eyes. unconscionable, unfathomable, i can tell you, we cannot even, you know, think of all these things at once. and yet you have these people sitting down
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nicely talking about giving. is there any more time voting, i guess the ceasefire for heaven's sake is cease, fire, stop killing innocent civilians, stop killing men, women and children stop obliterating hard families, stop destroying everything that can sustain and maintain life, whether it's about homes, neighborhoods, infrastructure, walter bakeries, hospitals, schools, universities, everything is being distorted, system ethically and with lead. and you sit back and you talk about this being diverse, strongly ality. what happened to, i mean daily, that is something quite that's astounding. in the way they last patched whether they had left the absolutely. and they lost touch with a new sense of decency or morality. how isolated is the united states at this point . uh, in this position i asked that because this week, uh, the you, in general assembly voted on a resolution calling for full an immediate cease fire. it passed with $153.00 boats
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and the international community changed it's, it's disposition to this. yes, yes, clearly there are no 2 ways about it. the one to public opinion is shifting a country is, and that was states, even though so at the beginning, you know, jumped with the american instance position of my lining. the police didn't use and declaring that we are liars, or do we have the terrace or whatever, the no, the beginning to see the ality as it is. and at least some of them are motivated by a sense of humanity and decency by saying no, this has to stop. now the u. s. the ppo is this is 5 consistently. it's not the 1st time it uses that meter. they called for what they said temporary pauses to bring in some food, 8 some a aide, and then to resume. this is absolutely ridiculous. this is an human you're. of course, in the west bank, you're remotely right now again from now just at
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a bureau and the tensions have been a consistent issue in the west bank. however, human rights watch noted, a substantial increase in the number of palestinians who have been arrested by his really authority since october 7th. within 3000 people, including minors, had been arrested or placed under administrative detention since then. which brings the total number of palestinians in prison to more than $7000.00 in your view. what is the reason behind this increase? well actually have since this year since the this extremist basis dry clean coalition. and as i took over, they have been escalating, not just and the land saft, not just in house demolitions and so on, but the, invades and villages and towns and getting out and put an estimate, cleansing in the west bank. and as you'd actually said, the, of hundreds of miles,
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thousands, of course, of the palestinians who have been detained under the colonial and administrative detention system in which people are detained without evidence without trying. busy about the heating without charges without any kind of defense . so it is a way of exercising control. it's a way of again, getting more and more cards in this game that the playing and or the to say, well look, we've exchanged one for one or whatever. they have now close to 8000 prisoners and, and or that and using is a new jays and they want to use them for exchange, what they could have prevented this escalation. and this hotter that we're going by agreeing for the exchange of prisoners hostages, or they sent me is by saying ok, this statement all for all release captives. we went through this, you have captives, what i'm thinking about the consequences of these conditions in life of any vision
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of future negotiations. you're talking about thousands of people in prison. you're talking about 18000 people did, according to guys as health ministry. and since october 7th, as you mentioned, lots of stuff happened before october 7th that we also have to take seriously in light of hunger and light of incarceration in light of mass, death and light of all of this stuff. how do you think about future negotiations with israel? what's the calculus moving forward now? what's possible, i think talking about negotiations is really not the only unrealistic. it is really and set it to the suffering and pain of people from the beginning. we kept talking about, you know, not being able to have negotiations and the situation of a symmetry. that is, i thought, the lack of balance unoccupied people cannot negotiate with that occupier. so we kept telling people's back because the occupying powers get has an influence and
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has followed over the occupied to have no dice whatsoever. so you cannot ask a people under occupations to ask that occupied for permission to be city. not only does they want us to be free as a separate colonial system, they want to take our land without the people. and they want to maintain the system of, of control and then when for the infliction of fame and know nothing, you know, and his government, they say this openly, that can be no negotiations. that can be no palestinian state, no sovereignty. we do not accept any of these fellas, didn't lead those. whether that, how about us or fedex or anybody is now this thing, something very serious of talking about the palestinian police and security as being also the enemy. so that pretty bad things advance for an escalation on the west bank. and of course they have totally destroyed guys. so who's going to negotiate? what with whom? i think it's the responsibility of the international community to and the cottage
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to and the siege of guys the on the west bank and the occupation. and then you can talk about peace based on international law. and that ignition of palestinian died as a cool people who deserves as i said, freedom that dignity that back to self determination and not as 2nd dose of class citizens in apartheid state that is trying to impose because they took his hand on all of his started competitors time, it's not going to work and to talk about peace negotiations as to step so that this because of the moment you talk about the world community watching, all of this happened over the last few years. it's been shown that youth opinion, particularly the west, has shifted toward a more sympathetic view of palestine. even the former is really prime minister, a hoot. but our express concern over this change, he told political quote, listen to the public tone. we are losing public opinion in europe. are you seeing
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that shift? and does that give you any hope for a different kind of future and a different kind of political reality? absolutely, because for decades, for years is it, i have the 40 sway the for the power to shape public this course, it had its own a bunch of stuff. again, the machines, it has its own influence, especially in main street media. and, and it's really not a to them is a new version was constantly the dominant one on the palestinians. what is that invisible or sign then stored in my line, then then labeled. and so on, gradually, now with of course, with social media and with access to information and knowledge and with the ability to network and understand and with the south. also speaking of because of the global south now is becoming more vocal. the sort of dominant life to,
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to be in christian mentality is no longer the, the ruler of the world, so to speak. and now, so to out the west, the people advising that people are understanding the nature of the palestinian cause of the fact that we are indigenous people being it a so to speak and denied that no protest by a colonial part because to us is in is a cult as an offshoot of colonialism and the they are beginning to speak out and they've refused to listen to that on government's so. they've challenged that on governments as we do so in london and by this and different places. the younger generations questioning not asking, are seeking sites and knowledge and not reaching out. and this is what gives them power, that they are not easily intimidated. and they are seeking that own voice and the seeking partnerships and networks. and that's what makes a difference now. and then after that we thank you so much for joining us and
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upfront. thank you, mark, it's good to be with you. as a debt, poland power started continues to mount. the united states maintains it starts to florida. israel's war on guys, a washington stance has come under heavy criticism in some question why palestinian lives don't seem to be valued in the same way as those of victims of other conflicts. so is there a double standard when it comes to palestinian victims of what you wanted me to discuss this? are the authors of a recent report on how is level phobia shapes u. s. foreign policy? so how the of these is the distinguish professor of law and middle east legal studies at rutgers university and author of the racial muslim when racism, flashes religious freedom ross enjoyed by mitchell politic president of re thinking foreign policy and co director of jewish voice for peace. is also the author of except for palestine. the limits of progressive politics, of which i am, of course a co author. so good to see both of you as a 100. i'm going to start with you. in this report,
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you to mentioned that as momma phobia is a ubiquitous ingredient in u. s. policy, that's a rocket of phrase, we mean ubiquitous ingredient, essentially since $911.00. so over 22 years, the american foreign policy and national security policies has been had been centered around the vilification of muslims and the looks on body and originally slower as terrorist, violent anti american liberal massage domestic and also anti semitic. and as a result, the entire society has been primed and socialized by the media, by schools, by politicians, and their rhetoric to presume that most ones are outside of use. there was threat. and part of that by there is ation of most lows is this falls, teaching of americans that most of us are taught to hate. you said this when
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teachers muscles to a tooth and that is racist. right? and unfortunately then what happens is when a muslim or the era wants to engage in human rights, advocacy wants to engage in foreign policy descent or critiques. that in any way, criticize the state of israel's practices and policies weren't in any way defend the palace. do you use human rights? they're automatically placed in this to solve for withdrawal back. oh, your motivations are anti submitted. they're not actually liberal values to support human rights for all people, including outstanding. how does this play out in foreign policy? mitchell? how does this notion that muslims are naturally disposed toward homophobia? liberalism barbarity is that, or how does this stuff play out inform policy? well, i think, you know what, we're, we're seeing a really good example of it. i think unfortunately, right now with the uh,
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bombardment of gaza we, the approach of american law makers has been that israel is entitled to do what uh, what is doing. um, even if, if, even if they say that if causing a few too many civilian casualties, which is a, you know, frankly, an important statement. it's minimization of the devastation and gaza. it it to demonstrate how little value is placed on palestinian lives and how easy it is that kind of things are read as most of them because obviously the past that increases their house introduced. yeah, i mean that was one of the things we actually opened the report by by saying we're, we're using it as obviously a very broadly. and we're using it to include anti arab uh, bigotry as well as anti palestinian. specifically ad palestinian basically with the understanding that it's a particular dynamic and the assignments of the troops are applied to all arabs. but right now we're seeing how easily that uh,
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our political leaders are just treating palestinian lives as disposable and as worthless. you know, you can contrast it with the statement about the a mass attack on, on october 7th, where there is correct in my view and an absolutely justified outrage at the atrocities and the mass squared. that was committed on that day as there should be . because people are the people are valuing is rarely lives as all lives should be valued. we're not seeing the same thing when it comes to the people, the gaza, or the people of the west back. we're not seeing anything like that. and that is the result of years and years in here is assigned to, so it'd be at the hour of racism being pumped into our discourse and to our media and to our policy discussions so hard. i've also noticed the language that's used to talk about some aspects of the language has been used to talk about the as rarely space. people are very matter of factly using words like barbaric and
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civilized talk about math and not just how math but also people were living in god . so how does that kind of language? how does that kind of framing help sort of normalize these really respond? in other words, it's use which is like if you see them is not human, does it make it easier to bottom them? it doesn't make it easier to see them as collateral damage? well, history doesn't start on october 7th, and some of phobia didn't start even on in 2001 on 911. so one of the american government has always done to persuade its people to support violence that actually contradicts the very values they are taught in schools, which is a quality human rights. human dignity, equal opportunity is to characterize the enemy as barbaric, savage and civilized and therefore this verification of the most form and the air of and the 1000 you must exist in order for israel to per proceed. the
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unconditional support because it's seen as an outpost of white america and an outpost of european civilization. and the palestinians are seen as the extension of his pre 911 at pre, even colonial era of the class of civilizations between the christian west and the most long beast. so all of this is, is unsurprising. i think what is shocking to many of us will study this shepherd. history is this degree in which, uh, the best way. these are tooling palestinians, the rate at which they're dying or being killed. so the, the more crimes are clear why the is ready to be signed and yes, i must, has committed, we're punch too. but in contrast, we can desmond by this. we don't fund the m s and we value the path to is really victims and the hostages in their lives. but we treat the palestinians as if in the words of one of these rarely officials as human animals and shame on us for doing
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that. the we in the us that you're referring to is the united states, and this comes up in the report as well. michel, because you talk about a, i radicalized double standard, which is called the most acute for most of them are arab americans when they exercise their free speech rights to criticize the us government's failure to hold is real accountable for its actions. could you elaborate on what you mean when you all say a radicalized double standard? i think we saw a great example of that in congress recently. have yeah, just a few weeks ago. yeah. century and a member of the house is a rare occurrence outside of 6 people, 6 people and 3 of them were, were, were people who supported the confederacy. right? so outside of that issue, there's always receive it to be the only posting in american and congress became only the 3rd a person to be censured. and what was she centered for?
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essentially rashida was censured for standing up proposed to be right. this is exactly what we're talking about when i and regina is a muslim and she spoke up for her people. i think this is a absolutely certainly example of what we're talking about in the report that if you are muscle and you are, you are going to be, you're going to be centered for, for speaking of for human rights. and you're particularly going to be accused of anti semitism. if you stand up for palestinian rights, this is the iron need of the, of what is being done. the the accusation against receive it to leave for that that she is anti semitic because she stood up for palestinian rights. that is itself at this time it is because it presumes that that jewish and is, is a line with the violence of he's right. exactly. and, and, and essentially, stigmatizes, anyone who stands for universal human rights because there is supposed to be as, as, as was put in our book at an exception for palestine that and that again,
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is anti semitic because you are, you are somehow singling, this is where you're singling out jewish people for special treatment and what it looks like, you're doing us a favor. what you're actually doing is presenting resentment. we seen this repeated throughout particularly european jewish history, where jews get certain protections from the ruling class for a certain amount of time. and when there is a pressure on that ruling class and they want to ship blame to the jews, they say, look how they took advantage of you and look how much better they had it while you were suffering in your peasantry. is it the same dynamic repeating itself? and it's using palestinian blood to do it, which makes it, i think a double crime. so it's a heart you psych muslims and jews are often pitted against each other in what you call a 0 sum game. but what do you mean as well? jews and muslims are not raised or taught to a teacher. and in fact,
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if we were to talk about the history of the experiences of the jewish people, you would find back their treatment was much, much better in most of majority countries than it was in christian majority countries and in europe. but also they share many values, either based on safe, you know, political ideological commitments or even religious commitments. and when you, when you define incorrectly anti semitism as an opposition to a political ideology, in this case, political zion is a, or if you define anti semitism incorrectly as an opposition to a states, practices and policies. in this case, the state of israel, what you do is you create a unnecessary false wedge between muslims and jews. so how does, does the recent house resolution make this even more complicated? cuz i hear what you're saying here. we're both of you were saying, right? which is this isn't that hard. anti semitism is the agent in violence against use
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for being jewish. and then they are critiques of israel. their questions about zionism, etc, which are different. there is a very real rise in anti semitism that has occurred around the world. both before october, 7th, and certainly afterward. but then you have a house resolution house resolution 89 for which explicitly states that the, that anti zionism is anti semitism. is that dangerous? and if so, why? this, this illusion reflects politics in america. it reflects the one sided support for a particular country and on politicians opposition to the human rights human dignity of the palestinian people. if you look at the organizations that are tracking the amount of incidence and so, rights discrimination, cases and complaints by most women and students in colleges as been workplace as
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the counsel american sonic relations. for example, the affair of american, an attorney defamation committee most will advocate their numerous non profit organizations that sure most of their salvation communities. and they have shown that the number of hate incidence and bias incidence has risen back all last month over 200 percent in the last 8 months. why isn't congress concerned about that? population of the american citizens? so i think it's telling, but they have apps, they seem to care about religious bigotry, but only for one group unless they missed of finance. and they don't care about religious bigotry against muscle. and when it is rising and equally startling level in the united states, all right, then i have to be the last where there is a how to as these mitchell politic, thanks so much for joining been upfront. all right, everyone, that is our show upfront. we'll be back next to the
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what you're looking at, this is one of the breach points through which how much flight is came into it as well. warning sirens. here is a s like some slight y'all just has remarkably intensified during the last couple of hours with seeing these as strikes really concentrated on residential phones and residential buildings is a dangerous times regional spillover. of course, as long as the conversation here is a minute for one, inside the hospital, then without oxygen, without electricity, the beat is inside. they are dying. for now, less than an hour away from the start of the ceasefire. 50 feet caps, it's 4 feet really over, say periods one more batch of prisoners when the people want
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a permanent ceasefire. in the 19 fifties and sixties, african countries gained independence from the colonizers and increased efforts to reclaim the cultural heritage of 6000 bodies and storage. unit, yes, it's very hard. a documentary series reveals how you repeat in countries, refused their request, and even exhibited human remains, and then the savings restitution africa stove, enough episode to which i found your 0. what out of their existence, it's load ship as a principal presenter. and as a correspondence with any breaks in the store, we want to hear from those people who was normally not get that forces on the international news channels. one moment i'll be very proud all was when we covered the fullness quake of 2015 at the terrible met shoulders. that's the story that
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needed to be told from the hall of the affected area to be then to tell the people story. it was very important at the time the, the a staff member of frances foreign ministry is killed in as early as strike in the hot and southern gaza the helm and as a pull on them. and this was the eldest, even live from dell ha. also coming up pals times health minister goals for an urgent investigation. following report is ready for the photos. the cab pedagogues the hospital crushing 20 people to death. when i saw.

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