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hello and welcome to the program. i'm fully back people. israel's foreign minister benjamin netanyahu has again declared the military campaign in gaza, will not stop until her mouse is defeated. but with more than a 100 is really is being held by the group and the strip is facing. growing probably can go and pressure to do more to secure the release. to make matters worse is rails all me says it mistakenly killed 3 is really captive, as they were holding a white flag during a military offensive. that's led to thousands of these really is protesting and kind of eve, the head of is rather intelligent agency. meanwhile, besides has now met senior countries in europe and another attempt to secure a prison to swap. so cabinets no agree a deal after failing to secure the release of all the captives. and how is he dealing with their families? anger. we'll discuss all this in just a moment, but 1st this report by victoria gates and b this is the

message to these really government from relatives of captives held by humans. many of the protest in tennessee were increasingly angry and frustrated that the government strategy every day that passes. he's a danger to their lives. i was there. my daughter was there, do not to bend into hostages. we must ask no, a deal. these are required today. bring them all wow. the killing of 3 captive spies ready? soldiers has shown the country as well as minute 3 says the met a much from a building in northern garza, with one waving a white flag. but 2 soldiers opened fire, killing 2. instantly the serge returned to the building and cried out for help in hebrew, but was also shot dead when he re imaged. and his ready minute 3 official says the actions were against all rules of engagement. prime minister benjamin netanyahu said the king of the captives broke his heart, the effect of coffee,

we will learn and apply the lessons with all deep. so i want to make it clear, the military pressure is necessary both for the return of the tease and for achieving victory over our enemy. more than $100.00 is res, were released last month, this part of a ceasefire agreement between israel and the mass. that was mediated by castle palestinian prisoners were released from his way to jails as part of the do the relatives of the captive say the government must work towards another sci fi and an exchange of prisoners wake up and go back to these rarely tomorrow to make sure that the all the kids map are returned as soon as possible and that that should be the highest agenda and it should be done with negotiations. relatives hand welcome reports of a meeting between the head of israel's intelligence agency. most said and capitalized prime minister in europe on friday. they say the government must do

whatever it takes to bring over, kept its back alive. victoria gave some be for inside story. the mess now bringing a guess from tel aviv is alan b. l. a former director general of israel's ministry of foreign affairs who has been part of a diplomatic team advising the captives from these and from london you'll see maquel burg associate fellow of the middle east and north africa program at chatham house. and here in til ha is so time buy a cat professor of public policy at home. i've been felicia university gentlemen, thank you all for joining us. island, the island, tennessee. let me start with you. your part of the diplomatic team advising the families of the captives. we heard prime minister netanyahu say that he is a heart broken by uh, the killing of these 3 captives, which he called a mistake. but at the same time, he said that israel as

a war will continue in gaza until its objectives are achieved. what has been the reaction festival of the families? the sandwich waiting, the prime minister of the cabinet. the 7 days are going all the time. the wind tales, everybody loves to release the hostages in the is mostly priorities. the table and the 70 is obviously the air release of exchange to hostages as the o d and the problem is the portal and the little houses the priority. also there is a big issue because there is a feeder and more in the cabin that 8 flew to another stage of exchanging hostages and present as any when they done in the

naval there. how about the end of the war and the law? so these are the few that i'm is adding, but what do the families make of how the eas, really government is handling the situation? you know, they've expressed the grievances, of course, in meetings with the prime minister. is the government showing any signs of empathy, of compassion towards the families of the day, the lease at least cleans all the time, the brush or the backs of days only that this fall through hell. the release of the both to just the front of these say the otherwise, but fairly say no danger. the hostages and the

sofa, the resolved last week, was a tragic resolve to at least know a hostage release, although the forces that moving forward. so the problem is x is these via the examples, serious goals. and the use of that was already is the united states and the size. and then go is the same probably though. uh, okay, well come back to the talks in just a moment because indeed there is a discussion of the talks resuming. but under what terms, it's on clear yet, but you'll see let me come to you and ask you about your thoughts as to what's happening inside is around right now is really assess fund. there's an go, as we seen in tel aviv after the killing of these 3 captives by these really military. how much more pressure does this put on prime minister netanyahu more

than 70 days into this war? and is the country as united and as fully behind this campaign in guys as it was in the early stages of the war. thank you, john, but you know the questions, the question you asked me. i think for us to, for the success, you know, the inputs you across those from on or go to so is the families of the house that just endorses themselves. but it's also, it's a matter of priorities and it's becoming more and more for them to continue that little, not heavy says 5, we in the book and the bins of seville, the inches the, the. ready hostages, whether it's the about man, always be 0 of any the project mistake that took place a day on friday. so i think we need to separately now say 2 clips to hostages is number one. ready or 2 and there was. ready as a secondary. ready otherwise i'll shoot for, for the sale of the off of the day of the hostages. now we have to remember that

right now basically the government is distributed one different you define. ready the was this correct? you know, even before the war with the study might do that, it will station because this begins to fall close at inbox and going on the. ready to distance so called. ready full mo, it for the. ready ready forms, so at least off of that population, probably more, i didn't say so is, is these policies a space as not legitimate? and i think what happened us 7 or so about this, even bush, nothing legitimate and bustle. so the incompetence or i mean you. so why the he's is, is running the wall. it's also difficult to think these are as follows. so i think at this point fall to the. ready holding these, nothing else doing all, and i think the courses to replace and so getting the most resource and as a so he is under pressure so time back at your thoughts, these res,

admitting vets their soldiers, both the rules of engagement when they killed the 3 captives and the account of how the captives died as raise questions about the conduct all of these really ami within israel. but of course, the palestinians will, will tell you that this has already happened on several occasions when palestinians have been trying to see what killed by these really ami. what would we do? you think? first of all, will be the fallout from, from this incident for the national government. the right was from the incident 1st shown that as you right, it went it out as well does not take hostages is right, is not interested in taking prisoners from amongst from us. they're interested in connecting them off and this is the edge and of that's in yahoo. the other uh, a clear uh, less than i think is that the visa of hostages is not nothing. yeah. host priority either. right from the very beginning, had he had the intention of reducing the hostages. the whole strategy would have

been very, very different. what the, what is the position he finds himself in at the moment? i think as it is out of having engaged in the short pause end of november, he has the weekend, his hand and a number of ways. first of all, he has not allowed to maintain assistance in together and he could not turn off that with the withdrawal from the talks that you did at the end of november. and 2 of today that he returned assessing his covering is not coming in the amount that everybody is, is wishing for. but it has to be continued there more than 40 united nation international stuff that has into that have been tied together and potentially increased liability for nothing. yeah. and in fact, few days ago, his own cabinet has approved under pressure from the united states to open a cut him uh, the crossing of the shuttle. yeah. and that as and itself is,

is really has the weekend, his uh, negotiation position, friends of the situation. he pays and these are the war cabinet denise, that it was the ground operation and the pressure on how much that led to the 1st deal to return the captives. and that's why they want to press on with their offensive, because they believe it allows maximum pressure and leverage to strike further exchange deals. what, what do you think about that and, and do you think that they can be a new deal with, you know, the, the categories reportedly new meeting with the most i, chief in, in no way. can they be a new do you? and if that can be under what conditions the but i don't agree with the, with the, his understanding that the, that violence is let him boss to negotiate from us from day one that will get to was to reduce their own prisoners from the israeli jails. and they came out and said, this is why we've captured these people were willing to exchange. and they've also

offered from the very beginnings to release the civilians. under particular, the international uh, passport holders to greater extent. they have met those objectives in terms of, you know, their words when the pause was, was introduced. but at the moment i think, and it's, you know, again, i think is it a very difficult position? is either going to continue coming most of the ends and now is edged on 20000 palestinians, which is really attending the world solely against him. or he considered another opportunity for negotiation. i suspect one of the reasons why they are moving the talks to also, or it's starting to engagement. and also it's to help him find on his business position. he's not able to say that, you know, we couldn't, you didn't do it again in doha because though, is the home for, from us,

we are having, we're forcing them to move elsewhere. also from about a senior perspective now that they move into the 2nd potentially the 2nd phase of negotiations. they wouldn't be asking for much higher value prisoners. the ones that nothing. yeah. who released or were mostly women and young man and children who were really released on the same human italian based sense because they were released and exchange for women and children. how about how much the bringing island is? yeah, i'll come back to the next phase, but i think i'll bring an island to just a respond to what you've just said the island. so tom says missing, yahoo is under pressure. will he seek another possibility to negotiate another deal? the thing to, to secure the release of more captives, i always say that these are the pressures, if you actually is that all i would say and, but regarding the hostages with nice as far as we know here the

company is, uh, was the pro. okay. it is the new trusted a video of us little show when say in the end, we know to know what because there is no is a kind died died a to cause is the fee as is found. so we know that they can assume is working. now, besides have to be serious about the car we offer, as we know as the, as we know we the goes, you would be fine know of the war if the deal of exchange or, or, or prison is versus oral surgeon on days like the side a i see with the bureau is bad to buy that probably the one who is the the stage.

so i the see can bridge the we should see the seriously discuss all the options and the words mean the last time they were talking about every day we beat the phone, the whole thing. so i don't think that seriously discussing base yet. okay, you'll see your thoughts about what to ireland said that at what, what honestly yahoo has options right now. is it interested in securing a new deal? and under what terms? as far as ease release, i can set, i think we saw and it's actually in the the says phase of its windows o's, an exchange of for foster this fall for placing those extra dimensions. ready but to very, very read on the home. so i think we should go back that then we have time and

again, funding that they're going to look at those that are willing to continue this, negotiate and bring the sides closer to their together obviously because they they, they, they negotiation broke down 2 weeks ago. they're certainly so and, and, and. ringback and the wall was a resume, but at the senior despond to be still continue. and i think it's, it's, it's really causing, or it's still more difficult negotiation because of the kind of hostages and, and policing those that are going to be released. so we'll discuss, negotiated in the say, in this negotiation, what's the value of this nest bought the in store, but, and going forward is still a possibility. the only problem of that, yes is there isn't that if i use the social, whether the special multi is all taking the interest over the content and these kinds of sales to just like this. i think the thing is that the window for this to

happen is closing. is the wall continuous. i need a smaller than smaller space. i think the window of opportunity to, to release so seduce into each of you, disclosing fairly quick. uh so on your thoughts about what you'll see set that he said the all for. busy all deal is still a possibility under what conditions with the policy and on groups now agree to another exchange of, of a prisoners for captives. yes, i think as, as now we're moving to a change of soldiers because this is the majority of what's remains with him. us soldiers being to women or men. and as you know, the last time they talk so broken down because as i wanted to pass, so try to pass some of the women hostages as just future video females and from us . so the mass soldiers and that led to the break down of the tools. now as they move into this, could it's come phrase,

they wouldn't be looking for their own high value prisoners to be released from his regular presence. but for those there is, there is a need for a guarantee of their safety and the fact that they will not be it onto the game is since they started, the adults have rounded up thousands of uh, products to news. so just as the 7th of october, but those political leaders that, that likely be on the list for from us. and there is a need for a 3rd country to come in and try and work either relocation or some kind of guarantee for them. because they need to get them out to for each of as well. now that's one of the reasons i suspect to norway is they may maybe come in both in this given it's very strong relationship, but the vice and the fact that the company it has be working very, very closely with us for a number of years. and so tom mentioned that us staff and miss yahoo, we heard of this news conference say that not even international pressure would

prevent israel from achieving its goals that he says. and we have the us defense secretary back in the region in, in these next few days. after what appears to be a shifting tone from the biden administration, do you think the americans can still play a critical role here? so i said why some separated between the day of the war and the hostages. regarding the day after the war is based on the position is very different from the american is the says, i always say the a d i here in the holding exactly in friendly video. she because of the, i don't think the gases to say and what they offices and who in the very story. oh, got a piece isn't very big for us. but when we talk to the hostages,

the very there's a low brush they leverage little bit below the funny, especially this way to create a window of 2 weeks. we're speaking with senior off the web. and i think in the pressure use applies on the slide regarding the hostages, if it is applied to the substitute or such. so what is the use of signs to see the se, every sweat? yeah, you'll see uh, do you agree with that? i mean, can the americans put a lot more pressure on israel than they're currently doing when it comes to the hostage, the captive crisis? and what will you know, what will they be saying to these really is right now, even if nets, yahoo says that. he will not bow to international pressure to assess i suggest

that the united states is hold the power. ready influence series. ready and probably most children, some of the time at united states to alter these. i found a lot of both of these saw from there for, from the very 1st day of the talk. by almost all 7 i'll saw bill center. and the cost carriers will pay to the, to the region. so 43 fame that we sent munition for the 13 states. what was the name of the security council? it's a file is an ocean. so all of these put this in this unique position to influence a frontier that is of that is a huge difference between what the united states says and how we box. it says that he needs to see it. so it's a need for that. there isn't, there is a need to use the casualties. ready boxes are the same thing, but wait ops is actually almost in colleges to continue. ready thing with this,

this and that's the reason we change it because then we can start thinking about a, the end of the wall and be the day after, oh guys going to be gone. yeah. but, but some of us officials at the same time have expressed concern. you'll see that some of an engineer who has positions on the war are rooted in a bid to prolong the conflict as a, to put on his political survival, i should say. and he seems to suggest that he's going to go out this alone. even if you know the us doesn't want him to. but can he a what? no. because he needs the supposed to be see the, you know, conduct too long. this may mind. it's no telling me you're wonderful guy so that he's on the phone team that knows that phones in, in the west bank and to. ready a certain extent goes so for what you know, what happens we've, we've the whole piece. i think this is this elisa needs. ready practice phase doesn't mean that is i should do everything in question to ask is to build, but at the same time it's almost been consistent. but it definitely,

i know again to a large extent result in post link that i stood for longer to follow the wall. and also to say that there's nothing, all we need to know completely the company that provide support for me to kind of moment the my, to a or so they stated that obviously before. and these are the, with me being back to the states in rebuilding guys. i know governor's name, the insuring security. so i'm not so sure this is advisable for you so that. ready we can help with united states, but i think providing that ministration needs to step up. it's good. so time your thoughts can to us still play a critical role here. and of course, i think the us is whole is the key for, for the whole situation at the moment. i think with christmas approaching very fast with not less than 10 days maybe a week to christmas will be very difficult for the by the end of the registration to justify the vitamins, nothing. yeah. i was conducting,

and the guys district also it'd be very difficult for the families of the hostages to go through the christmas period. again, having not being very united internationally. the perception of all this is, is, must be very, very traveling. and it must be part of the pressure on that, you know, if you will go back to that november. the release happens on, on thanksgiving day when it, when the u. s. was underwriting and that was really designed to give by, during a break. so but then yeah, it was very aware of what and how the u. s. is finding yourself more or more isolated internationally because of the way they featured and the security council . then they found themselves on a minority often and the general assembly against the owner of the wall, not calling for an immediate cease fire. and he, it's a, we all aware that he's trying to extend the war status. he's interested, and this is why he declared the water in the 1st place. this is the 1st time since 1973. he practically hijacked the public opinion above public voting is 0,

no one except what he has many or companies can now take decisions on how he moves within the, within this conflict. so it isn't his interest to try and extend it as much as possible, but it's not in the interest of these really by being. it's not in the interest of the hostages of their families. and this through their i think he comes back to the table to negotiate the release and the better and st. and the pressure and internationally is really mounting very, very quickly. and let me give you the final word what. what do you think might happen in the next few days? are you hopeful? are the find these helpful that they could be another deal to secure the release of more captives and tools in gaza? in the 7 days? is this the real estate? i must say. i personally, oh that was happened to us a week. 3 of the hostages. though they still have the, the,

they sold the surgery in the show, so they probably hold this tragedy with exchange in the cabin. is it a whole that a, by the end of this week? well, let's do it for the next phase of pay and release of exchange. thank you very much, gentleman for a very interesting conversation, allan, the yale, you'll see metal, bird, and soul time, barrel. cat, thanks. to all 3 of you for joining us on inside story today, and thank you to for watching. you can always watch this program again, any time by visiting our website at alger 0 dot com for further discussion. you can go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash 8 inside story. and of course you can join the conversation on x. a handle is at h a side story from me for the back people and the whole team here in doha. thank

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