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but they are still difficult to predict. expos, i'm of which has moved. this is the moment volcano in southwest, iceland corrupted, spilling lava and smoking all directions. molten rock and columns of fire poured out of features in the ground. it followed weeks of earthquake activity and mutual ologist had recorded more than 1000 tremors into 24 hours before the eruption. that's kind of mixed feelings. to be honest though. yeah, let's see how it goes and how long it lasts. and it's still amazing to see, but yeah, that's kind of a bittersweet feeling at the moment. the volcano is about 4 kilometers away from gun the vic, a fishing town in the south searing a significant interruption. last month, authorities issued evacuation orders for the $4000.00 residents and close the

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disease and the farmers who used it. were you ever warned about the health effects of hardware? no fault lines exposes how for decades a global chemical giant withheld information. 12000 american prophecy actually said you should never put the words per question parkinson's disease in the same sentence, the pesticide play book on a jersey. oh, hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question if israel's war has gone way beyond self defense to the point of making the gaza strip itself completely unlivable, why is the by the ministration supporting it? let's get to the bottom line. the in less than 3 months is real, has killed nearly one percent of the palestinian people living in the gaza strip. to put that in perspective, one percent of the population of america, we'd be more than $3000000.00 people. that's like wiping out an entire state like

arkansas or nevada, and so far there's just no end in sight. hundreds of innocent civilians, mostly women and children, are killed by is really forces daily and almost 100 percent of the people living there are now displaced. that's 100 percent, they're desperate. they're hungry, they're cold is really in us. officials are acting as if the palestinian should blamed themselves because from us carried out a surprise attack in october, the killed about 1200 is really soldiers and civilians. but when a country wages a war, it usually has a specific outcome that it's looking for. so what's the end game for israel? today we're talking with one of america's most influential thinkers, john mearsheimer, professor of political science at the university of chicago, an author of the israel lobby and u. s. foreign policy, as well as most recently how states bank the rationality of foreign policy. john is terrific to be with you today. thank you so much for joining us. um you wrote a piece this week, death and destruction and gaza. and what you said that we reached

a point where there is simply no meaningful military purpose in israel's war. tell us what you meant as well when it comes to what is real is doing in gaza. you have to distinguish between going after home boss and punishing the civilian population. and when we talk about punishing the civilian population, we're talking about killing, murdering huge numbers of civilians, displacing them from their home, starving large chunks of the palestinian population inside garza, and so forth and so on. these are basically war crimes. i don't think there are many people who would dispute that is real has what we call the right to go after him. boss mosse attack is real. israel's going after home us? that's not really a contested issue for the most part. but what the as rallies are doing is they're

going far beyond going after her moss. and they are inflicting massive pain and punishment on the civilian population. and in my opinion, they shouldn't be unacceptable to decent people all. ready over the world, and the idea that binds in ministration is not only sanctioning this but supporting it. it's very important to understand that the as rallies could not conduct this punishment campaign without support from the united states. they need american military weaponry. and furthermore, they need american diplomatic support and we are giving that to them. so we are as deeply involved in this disaster, this humanitarian disaster. as these rallies themselves, are you fine that there is a worry that america is on the wrong side of this. you know, i think there's widespread support inside the american body politic of. ready or uh,

uh, the palestinian civilian population. i mean, i don't think there's any question that lots of people think the, what the is really, is, are doing to the civilian population is deeply wrong. there's no questionnaire. a lot of people will voice their opinion on this issue. publicly and that's in large part because they fear that the israel lobby will target them and that will do damage to their career. there's all sorts of evidence that people on college and university campuses are self censoring for fear of the israel lobby. but even there, it's clear this is just widespread support for the palestinian people and the wide spread criticism of what is real is doing. what do you, would you be advising president biden? early on in this conflict. if you're trying to advise him or the is really how to

respond after october 7th? well, i think in the beginning the biden should have gone to great lengths to tell the israelis to make sure that they executed a measured response and that they did not overreact. and he should have made it clear that she would support the israelis against tomas. i mean he had no choice the hair for sure. but he also should have made it clear to the israel east that if they went after the civilian population that. ready they are going after the civilian population of the united states would go to great lengths to throttle is reels, attempts to murder, huge numbers of civilians. that's what he should have done. we should be on the other side of the divide with regard to this campaign, this bombing campaign that these rallies are waging against the palestinian civilians. by the way,

it's not just the bombing campaign. these rallies are trying to starve a large numbers of palestinians to that. they've made that very clear. it's not like i'm making this up. the israel east themselves said that this is exactly what they're doing. if you look at what the israelis are saying about the palestinians, how they describe the palestinians, talking about them is human animals and so forth and so on. and then utah, you listen to what they're saying when they talk about what they intend to do to god. so you know, they talk about flattening leveling it rad acadia. and it use very clearly that they are purposely targeting the civilian population and they are doing massive amounts of joy. john, if killing one percent of the population. so many innocent people isn't a red line for the neighborhood, for egypt, for jordan, for other nations around there for the united states. or we all just in a, in

a performance act right now saying, israel please don't harm civilians, please limit what you're doing. but we're watching, we're just help us and just watching a horrible scene just done full with no real leverage. yeah, i think that's exactly what's happening. i mean, just to talk about the united states, we have the potential to bring this bombing campaign to an end. we have a huge potential leverage over is real. there's no question about it, but it's almost impossible for any president, including president biden, obviously to use any of that leverage. and the end result is we can say that we hope is real, will limit this campaign and do everything it can to minimize civilian casualties. but we don't do anything concrete,

or at least we haven't done anything concrete up to this point to prevent these rallies from killing large numbers of civilians. and by the way, it's not just the americans, the europeans, are doing nothing themselves. the german is in the british, their behaviors, especially egregious on this front, even in the arab world, the, you know, see the leaks in the world doing very much to put it into this. and in fact there's all sorts of evidence in the air world. it's pressure from below that is largely motivating the leads to criticize with the israel is, are doing. and it's a tragic situation. and it is quite remarkable in the year 2023 that these rallies are able to get away with this. what do you think is real wants uh,

if not a 2 state solution. oh, it's very clear to me what is real wants and we're talking here about the, the government. they want to ask the cli clans of gaza and they want to ethnically cleanse the west bank. the problem that these rallies face steve, is the inside greater is real and greater is real, includes guys a, the west bank and green line is real. there are approximately 7300000 palestinians and there are approximately 7300000 jews. so you have a rough, a quality in the number of jews and palestinians inside greater is real. and that means you can have a democratic state. and if you don't want a 2 state solution, then what are you going to do? well, up to now, the answer is quite clear is real, has turned into in apartheid state. it is an apartheid state. and these rallies understand that over the long term,

this is probably not viable. we all know what happened to south africa can, is really exist over the long term as in apartheid state. and you want to remember the groups like human rights watch. uh, amnesty international that sell them and so forth, and so on. have labeled israel as an important stay so they wanna get out of that situation. and the best way to do that from their point of view is typically clans of the get to the gaza strip and west bank, much like they ethically cleansed. large parts of green line is real in 1948 and much the way they cleansed large ports of the west bank. in 1967, the problem is that they have not been able to do that in the united states, much towards credit has at least said that it will not. countenance is real, ethically cleansing does, but we'll see what happens there. these rallies are punishing to the civilian

population in gaza in large part in my opinion, to drive them out. but they have not been successful. i, i want to play for you john, a clip of danny down on israel's former ambassador, united nations in 2019. and something he said about what's behind israel's goals, listen, this is a deed to i will and it's only up the bible, basically the old testament to say this is the d to our lands in the united nations . and i'm just asking you is sort of an analyst to say, if that's what we're working with. and america is allied with that. how does this ever get to a different point than just an ongoing horrible convulsive ulcer? it doesn't mean this is where we are. and by the way,

if you look at the demographics inside of israel, the people who are most likely to make the argument that was just made that you know, the bible is israel's deed to owning or greater israel. the people who are most likely to make that argument are the ultra orthodox and the old. ready orthodox now form about 13 percent of israel's population, but over time their numbers are going to increase gravely up to the point where and about the year 2050 you're going to have about 30 percent of is real close to one 3rd of his real will be the old orthodox and that's because the birth rate among vocal orthodox women is so high. this means that the argument, danny, the non, was just making is going to become heard more widely in israel. it's not only going

to be people like him, it's going to be more more orthodox jews making that argument. so this arguments simply not going away. let me ask you about responsibility to protect because right now in washington, we have a couple of things tied together. american support of ukraine in, in the russian war, a lot of particularly those in on the progressive side of the foreign policy, we're talking about our to p, the responsibility to protect as one of the animators of american support ukraine. where are they with regards to the israel, gaza conflict, and the responsibility to protect palestinians. you hi, here remarkably little from them. they're all these people who have been talking for years now about the importance of worth to pay a new horton's of protecting human rights. and you would expect all of them to be wildly proclaiming that what the israelis are doing is unacceptable. and it'd be

an ide states has a moral responsibility to put an end to all of this killing of civilians with palestinians. but you hear very little from these human rights proponents and from human rights groups inside the united states. uh, the silence is actually quite amazing. when i watch polls and what's going on, it's very clear that younger generation democrats, particularly democrats of color, but it's really broad swap of younger voters in the democratic party are very, very, uh, frustrated with jo biden's position on israel gaza. and you see a collapse in their support and when you interview them and do focus groups right now, they say there's nothing that's going to bring them to support to abide. and there's a more general problem at play here. and that is the israel has lots of support among people your age and my age. but once you begin to go down and look at

younger cohorts, it's a very different story. there's a harris harvard poll that came out very recently that says that if you look at people between the ages of 18 and 20 for the survey, then you ask them this question. was a mosque justified in showing is rarely citizens on october 7th, we're not talking about killing the military. we're talking about killing civilians . in other words, was how much justified in what they did? on october 7th, 51 percent of people in the united states between the ages of 18201824 said the tomas was justified because it says as they are bringing in to the bottom line. now to bring us defense secretary lloyd austin, speaking in the hall and his middle east pool was listening for,

for offense relationship because of the importance of that relationship with her as a major, grateful for your leadership. we're also grateful and cut our contents to generously holding american troops that allows united states to support a range of critical emissions in the region in response to challenges to our shared secure robust projects here makes our research partnership feeling strong. and it insures that our personnel can safely support a variety of mission. now this partnership is not, this is just on, i'm gonna put on trust and our military to continue working together to increase or operability enter support regional security festival. i especially want

to be here today to share, but the color of the united states will formally take steps for to expand and reinforce our bile. ready defense relationship. we'll do this in colors, commitment to contribute significant resources to increase capabilities here at the airbags and the ford roll of our horses for years to colorado and indispensable par times of prices for answers our call together with agent cutters. numbers have helped to secure the release of many hostages, held by him off. earlier this year was also keyed your efforts to release 5 american citizens from prison in a row. and we won't forget the 2021 color help the us military complete.

one of the largest arrows in just evaluating more than a 124000 people from afghanistan to say. so these are just a few reasons. one of the part of it welcomes the stuff for it's a milestone for defense partnership. and we look forward to doing more together to make this region more stable and more secure. so thank you again the and so we've just been hearing there from the us defense secretary lloyd austin, referring the security partnership between the us and conser. and the fact that the us has a large military base here in colorado. and i get

a acknowledging costs as low as a key broker in the various regional disputes, including of course cortez role in brokering the the, the last sees far between israel and how much and the release of the, of the captives as well as prisoners in the occupied west bank, i just need a senior political analyst. i might want a shot that is here with us. very brief remarks. we heard that from the us defense secretary um to be honest, not much really of substance in terms of where things may go as far as the war and gauze are and any, any advance on, on the ongoing discussions about the next one? no, no, it should have been i think there is nothing about that correlation about the united states is putting together uh, in order to deal with the shipping disruption in the red sea. but clearly, i mean,

that's quite something that uh through uh to listen to the in a long list of praise that the administer the secretary defense austin has forgot that because over the past 340 years. so i think this since the end of the blockade of cuts out of by neighboring countries installed as a suntrust regional power as a center mediator. mostly to uh, using its resources in order to resolve conflicts in order to mediate between you know, the various parties and to help way as possible in humanitarian terms, such as enough to understand as what else you guys are. so i think all of that is, is pretty important testimony for me. what is interesting is how cut that assessment gets out of as a, as a partner in a and

a right. that hybrid way, a number of regional international powers, what it's coming over and it can take a stand such as on the what crime, some guys are, by the same time in thing such a close relationship with the united states. that, you know, it's, it's, um, it's kind of inspires the seconds of states, the secretary with defensive united states, to just to show up on a podium and to praise, cuts out for these number of things that they've done in the past. and i think that's, that could be, that could be something other countries in the region need to start paying attention to. because what do we have now on the question of guys, or the questions that i'd see on software. we have a c kinds of countries, countries who are just observing from a far, big, basically intimidated. and those are countries complicit with the is the war and casa, and there are companies who are,

this is rose ward and guys of what i'm not able to do anything about it. either. they have preoccupied with the internal affairs or they just, you know, afraid of getting involved. and i think in this sense, got that presents a different kind of a role that out of countries new start thinking about which is that you don't have to eliminate your partner's global ones. you don't have to distance yourselves from set, then alliances, in order to take a model and a strategic scan, or an important issue that is becoming, you know, quite qualified, and very just such as the one in casa. so come to a number of things at the same time. it can stand for guys, a price, it can spend for calling for a commission international commission to look at the war crimes. it can also be a mediator to release, captives and prisoners because one as a mentor and alliance is like with united states. we'll have to leave it there. i just need

a senior political analyst the model on be sure to thank you less to now to hash i'm i bought a who is live for us in a doha brief remarks there that we heard from the us defense sector. what does he hoping to achieve? while he's there because there's not, not only the, the ongoing war on gaza, but there's also this task force that he, he wants to set up in the red sea to deal with the who. the attacks indeed has an odd submitted faith, maritime failed of continually of the let's see, the americans would like to see a united front against the host these entities. so they're looking for to see particular countries from the gcc take an active role in that new task force, which the americans called prosperity operation, prosperity, gods in the i yet to get some strong commitment from the gc of this explains why lloyd austin, his head in the higher would be having a beating virtual meeting with the gc ministers of defense on the day to join this

tax for the task force. it could be a symbolic process. it could be savvy getting cottages. it could be the presence of destroyers, conducting joints patrols in the red sea. and what the americans are hoping to achieve is basically the need to secure areas, the space all the way from the, from the northern tip of the, the, of the red sea. all the way to about as been dep all right, to hashem had bought a lot for us there in uh in, in uh in doha, thanks very much for that. so we've just been hearing there from the us defense secretary, as he makes this trip in the region to talk about, as we said there the red sea task force as well as the possibility of hoping to that media to another se spar we will be back in another couple of minutes with more about coverage of the war on garza stay with us here on august

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