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things it seems is by thought calls that didn't really succeed. however, the software installed say. busy accusing the government of subtracting a 1000000 voters from the uh from the official numbers and thats creating kind of an add on the percentage of people who bought the space within the election . all right, daddy, for the moment. thank you. i. the hash in life was in fact at least a 127. people have been killed in an earthquake in north west china. thousands of emergency workers have been deployed to help with recovery efforts. katrina, you reports now from beijing. emergency teams worked all through the night to save people trapped under the rubble. the magnitude 6.2 quick struck just before midnight. most were sleeping the whole day. the epicenter was d. sean county in china is northern guns, who problem neighboring seeing high was also affected. dozens of people has been killed and hundreds injured children much. yeah. so far we have to put in
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a $1500.00 firefighters. so more than a 1000 soldiers and another 1500 policemen to the earthquake area for rescue work. a series of powerful trim is lost and 20 seconds each and could be felt in the provincial capital more than 100 kilometers away. social media video show people rushing out onto the street in search of safety. the government says more than 4700 homes have been destroyed. telecommunications pallet and water supplies have been cut off. officials say sub 0 temperatures across smells in china, a hampering rescue and recovery efforts. it's currently the minus 10 degrees celsius during the day, and drops to minus 14 at night, forcing emergency teams to work as quickly as they can forward. he's distributing 10 blankets clicking stoves and food to survive. it's the government has allocated $30000000.00 for disaster relief. warning residents to expect and magnitude 5.0 off
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the sho in the coming day. katrina, you all to 0. they change issues. a volcano in south west. iceland has erupted spewing lava and huge plains of smoke. the russian comes off the weeks of seismic activity in the region. but these are a live pictures now of the russian last month. thousands of residents living in a nearby town were evacuated from their homes. the nearby blue lagoon is a popular tourist attraction. it's been closed as a precaution. that's kind of mixed feelings. to be honest though. yeah, let's see how it goes and how long it lasts. and it's still amazing to see, but yeah, that's kind of a bittersweet feeling at the moment. as always, i just need a dot. com is called the latest. don't know, lots of stories upfront as the
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word out of their existence. it's load shift as a principal present, as a correspondence with the brakes and the story we want to hear from those people who was normally not get that forces on the international news channels. one david top, if i proud all was when we covered the, the fullness quake of 2015 at the terrible match. all the facts. and the story that needed to be told from the hall of the affected area to be then to tell the people story was very important at the time as the united states continues to back, israel's war on gaza. we explore what's behind this unequivocal support and ask whether it is lumber phobia plays a part in u. s. foreign policy. that conversation is coming up. but 1st, israel continues its deadly assault on gaza and increases refreshing in the west bank. one of the hopes for peace last, the former negotiator for the posted in the ration organization and
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a former minister for the past. anita hardy, this week headliner. financial that the had an issue that we joined just from the alger 0 bureau in ramallah sent it. and thank you so much for joining us on upfront. thank you, mark, it's good to be with you. israel is a saw on guys, a continues the cause mass devastation and a mounting humanitarian crisis. in fact, the world food programs deputy director said that 9 out of 10 people in dies that are not eating every day. and a half half are starving. but last week, the united states stood alone and vetoed a un security council resolution they called for humanitarian ceasefire. despite the overwhelming support for it by other countries, the u. s. deputy ambassador to the united nations told the counsel that the veto was against a quote. and that was the resolution that was divorced from reality. also saying that it would not move quote,
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the needle forward on the ground in any concrete way. what is your reaction to that as well? i don't know whether i can take that seriously or not. it's actually, it's been busted us. you can't imagine that the grown intelligence to a human being can say these things with a straight face. if anybody is the voice comedy, i'll it, it's the us administration. it does by then unblinking. and those folks, people who are affecting such hollow, meaningless, ridiculous terms, that, that exposing their own loss of contact with reality. if you cannot see the 10s of thousands of people killed or does it others or uh, wounded or starving or suffering from heart if they can diseases or children who have all sorts of digestive problems because they're thinking sea water or contaminated water. the odd people who are going not knowing where they are not
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knowing why that family's. uh, it's incredible. the dimensions wrapped up portions of the hot or that is unfolding before our eyes. unconscionable. i unfathomable. i can tell you we cannot even, you know, think of all these things at once, and yet you have these people sitting there nicely talking about giving. is there any more time voting, i guess the ceasefire would have been sick as cease fire. stop killing, innocent civilians, stop killing men, women and children stop obliterating hard families, stop destroying everything that can sustain and maintain life, whether it's about homes, neighborhoods, infrastructure, walter baker's hospitals, schools, universities, everything is being distorted, system ethically and with lead. and you sit back and talk about this being diverse, strongly ality. what happened to i mean really that as something quite that's
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astounding. in the way they last patched whether he left the absolutely and they lost touch with a new sense of decency or morality. how isolated is the united states at this point? uh, in this position, i asked that because this week, uh, the you, in general assembly voted on a resolution calling for full and immediate cease fire. it passed with $153.00 boats and the international community changed it's, it's disposition to this. yes, yes, clearly there are no 2 ways about it. the one to public opinion is shifting a country is, and that was states, even though so at the beginning, you know, jumped with the american instance position of my lining that police didn't use. and declaring that we are liars or the way of the others or whatever. uh now is the beginning to see the ality as it is. and at least some of them are motivated by a sense of humanity and decency by saying no, this has to stop. now the u. s. the ppo is the ceasefire consistently,
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it's not the 1st time it uses the meter. they called for what they said then put a deposit is to bring in some food, 8 some a aide and then to resume. this is absolutely ridiculous. this is an human you're of course in the west bank, you're remotely right now again from dallas. is it a bureau? uh, and the tensions have been a consistent issue in the west bank. however, human rights watch noted, a substantial increase in the number of palestinians who have been arrested by his really authority since october 7th. within 3000 people, including minors, had been arrested or placed under administrative detention since then. which brings the total number of palestinians in prison to more than $7000.00 in your view. what is the reason behind this increase? well actually have since this year since the, this, the extremists face. busy dry clean coalition and as i took over they have been
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escalating, not just in the land, saft, not just in house demolitions and so on, but the, invades and villages and towns and getting out in full estimate cleansing in the west bank. and as you'd actually said, the of hundreds of miles, thousands, of course, of the palestinians who have been detained under the cologne in a administrative detention system in which people are detained without evidence without ty and without the heating, without charges, without any kind of defense. so it is a way of exercising control. it's a way of, again, getting more and more cards in this game that they're playing and or the to say, well look, we've exchanged one for one or whatever. they have now close to 8000 prisoners and, and or the 10 isn't, is a new jays and they want to use them for the exchange where they could have
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prevented this escalation. um, this hotter that we're going by agreeing for the exchange of prisoners hostages, or they sent me is by saying ok, this statement all for all the release of captives, we weren't really sure captives what i'm thinking about the consequences of these conditions in the life of any vision of future negotiations, you're talking about thousands of people in prison, you're talking about 18000 people did. according to guys as health ministry and since october 7th, as you mentioned, lots of stuff happened before october 7th that we also have to take seriously in light of hunger, in light of incarceration, in light of mass, depth and light of all of this stuff. how do you think about future negotiations with israel? what's the calculus moving forward now? what's possible, i think talking about negotiations is really not the only unrealistic. it is really
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and send it to the suffering and pain of people from the beginning. we kept talking about, you know, not being able to have negotiations and the situation of a symmetry that is at the lack of balance an occupied people cannot negotiate with that occupier. so we kept telling people's back because the occupying powers get has an influence and has followed over the occupied to have no dice whatsoever. so you cannot ask a people on the occupations to ask that occupied for permission to be city. not only don't they want us to be city as a separate colonial system. they want to take our land without the people. and they want to maintain the system of, of control and wasteful infliction of pain and know nothing, you know, and this government, they say this openly, that can be no negotiations. that can be no palestinian state, no 70. we do not accept any of these fellas, didn't lead those. whether that,
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how about us or fedex or anybody is now this thing, something very serious, talking about the palestinian police and security as being also the enemy. so that pretty bad things advance for an escalation on the west bank. and of course they have totally destroyed guys. so who's going to negotiate? what with whom? i think it's the responsibility of the international community and the cabinets and the siege of guys, the west bank, and the occupation. and then you can talk about peace based on international law. and the recognition of palestinian died as equally people who deserves. as i said, freedom, that dignity is that back to self determination and not as 2nd dose of class citizens in apartheid state that is trying to impose greater isn't on all of his started. gonzales time is not going to work and to talk about peace negotiations is just step. so that's this because of the moment you talk about the world community
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watching. all of this happened over the last few years. it's been shown that youth opinion, particularly the west, has shifted toward a more sympathetic view of palestine, even a former israeli prime minister, a hoot, but our express concern over this change. he told political quote, listen to the public tone. we are losing public opinion in europe. are you seeing that shift? and does that give you any hope for a different kind of future and a different kind of political reality? absolutely, because for decades for years is it, i have the 40 sway the fully power to shape public this course, it had its own a bunch of stuff. again, the machines, it has its own influence, especially in mainstream media and, and, and it's really not active and is a new version was constantly the dominant one on the palestinians. what is that invisible or silent, starting my line then then labeled and so on. gradually,
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now with of course, with social media and with access to information and knowledge and with the ability to network and understand and with the south. also speaking of because of the global south now is becoming more bulk of the sort of dominant life due to being christian mentality is no longer the, the ruler of that was so to speak. and now, so to out the west, the people advising that people are understanding the nature of the palestinian because the fact that we are indigenous people being a so to speak. and then i then no protest by a colonial part because to us is, is a cult as an offshoot of colonialism. and the, they are beginning to speak out and they've refused to listen to their own governments. so they've challenged that on governments as we saw in london and pettus and different places. the younger generations questioning not asking,
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are seeking thoughts and knowledge and not reaching out. and this is what gives them power that they are not easily intimidated. and the as seeking that on voice and the seeking partnerships and networks. and that's what makes a difference now. and then after that we thank you so much for joining us in upfront. thank you, mike. it's good to be with you as a debt, paul and palestine continues to mount. the united states maintains it started support of israel's war on guys. a washington stance has come under heavy criticism in some question why palestinian lives don't seem to be valued in the same way as those of victims of other conflicts. so is there a double standard when it comes to the palestinian victims of what you wanted me to discuss? this? are the authors of a recent report on how was level phobia shapes u. s. foreign policy? so how the of these is the distinguished professor of law and middle east legal studies at rutgers university and author of the racial muslim when racism quietest
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religious freedom ross enjoyed by mitchell politic president of rethinking foreign policy and co director of jewish voice for peace is also the author of except for palestine, the limits of progressive politics, of which i am of course a co author. so good to see both of you as a 100. i'm going to start with you in this report. you to mentioned that as mama phobia is a ubiquitous ingredient in u. s. policy. that's rebecca and phrase. we mean you pick what it's ingredient? essentially since 911. so over 22 years, the american foreign policy and national security policies has been, had been centered around the vilification of muslims and the looks of body and illusion of the sloane as terrorist, violent anti american liberal massage domestic and also anti semitic. and as a result, the entire society has been primed and socialized by the media,
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by schools, by politicians, and their rhetoric to presume that most ones are outside of which they were threat. and part of that by the relation of muslims, is this false teaching of americans that muslims are taught to hate you. so this when teachers most of the a twos and that is racist. right? and unfortunately then what happens is when a muslim or layer of wants to engage in human rights, advocacy wants to engage in foreign policy. dissent or critiques. that in any way, criticize the state of israel's practices and policies weren't in any way defend the palace. do you use human rights? they're automatically placed in this is sort of a referral back. oh, your motivations are anti submitted. they're not actually liberal values to support human rights for all people,
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including now states. how does this play out in foreign policy? mitchell? how does this notion that muslims are naturally disposed toward homophobia? liberalism barbarity is that, or how does this stuff play out inform policy? or i think, you know what we're, we're seeing a really good example of it. i think unfortunately, right now with the uh, bombardment of gaza we, the approach of american law makers has been that israel is entitled to do what uh, what is doing. um, even if, if, even if they say that if causing a few too many civilian casualties, which is a, you know, frankly, an important statement. it's minimization of the devastation and gaza. it, it's demonstrating how little value is placed on palestinian lives and how easy it is that kind of things are read as muslim because obviously the past that increases or perhaps introduced. yeah, i mean, this is one of the things we actually open the report by by saying we're,
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we're using it as obviously a very broadly. and we're using it to include anti arab bigotry as well as anti palestinian. specifically at how sending patriots with the understanding that it's a particular dynamic and the assignments of, of the troops are applied to all arabs. but right now we're seeing how easily that uh, our political leaders are just treating palestinian lives as disposable and as worthless . you know, you can contrast it with the statement about the mass attack on october 7th, where there is correct in my view and an absolutely justified outrage at the atrocities and the mass. where did that was committed on that day, as there should be, because people are the people are evaluating, is rarely lives as all lives should be valued. we're not seeing the same thing when it comes to the people of gaza or the people of the west bank. we're not seeing anything like that. and that is the result of the years and years in here is
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assigned to. so it'd be at the hour of racism being pumped into our discourse and to our media and in to our policy discussions. so hard. i've also noticed the language that's used to talk about some aspects of the language as we use talking about the as rarely space. people are very matter of factly using words like barbaric and civilized talk about mass and not just 10 minutes but also people were living in gaza. so how does that kind of language? how does that kind of framing help sort of normalize these really respond? in other words, it's use which is like if you see them is not human, does it make it easier to bottom them? it doesn't make it easier to see them as collateral damage? well, history doesn't start on october 7th, and some of phobia didn't start even on in 2001 on 911. so one of the american government has always done to persuade its people to support violence that actually contradicts the very values they are taught in schools, which is
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a quality human rights. human dignity equal opportunity is to characterize the enemy as barbaric, savage and civilized, and therefore this vilification of the most warm and the air of and the 1000 you must exist in order for israel to per proceed. the unconditional support because it's seen as an outpost of white america, an outpost of european civilization. and the palestinians are seen as the extension of this pre 911 at pre, even colonial era of the class of civilization between the christian west and the most long beast. so all of this is, is unsurprising. i think what is shocking to many of us will study this shepherd. history is this degree in which, uh, the best way. these are tooling palestinians, the rate at which they're dying or being till so the,
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the more crimes are clear why the is ready to be signed and yes, i must, has committed. we're punch too. but in contrast, we condense, remember this, we all funded a mess. and we value the pathways, randy victims and the hostages in their lives. but we treat the palestinians as if in the words of one of these rarely officials as human animals and shame on us for doing that. the we in the us that you're referring to is the united states, and this comes up in the report as well. michel, because you talk about a, i radicalized double standard, which is called the most acute for most of them are arab americans when they exercise their free speech rights to criticize the us government's failure to hold, it is real accountable for its actions. could you elaborate on what you mean when you all say a radicalized double standard? i think we saw a great example of that in congress recently. have yeah, just a few weeks ago. yeah. century and a member of the house is
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a rare occurrence outside of 6 people, 6 people and 3 of them were, were, were people who supported the confederacy. right? so outside of that issue, there's always receive it to be the only posting in american and congress became only the 3rd a person to be centered. and what was she centered for? essentially rashida was centered for standing up for parents to be right. so this is exactly what we're talking about when. busy a and and rashid a is a muslim um and she smoke up for her people. i think this is a, it absolutely certainly example of what we're talking about in the report that if you are muscle you are, you are going to be, you're going to be centered for, for speaking of for human rights. and you're particularly going to be accused of anti semitism. if you stand up for palestinian rights, this is the iron the of the, of what is being done. the, the accusation against me. she had to leave for that,
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that she is anti semitic because she stood up for palestinian rights. that is itself after senators, because it presumes that that jewish and this is a line with the violence of these. right. exactly. and, and, and essentially, stigmatizes, anyone who stands for universal human rights because there is supposed to be as, as, as was put in our book at an exception for palestine that and that again, is anti semitic because you are, you are somehow singling, this is where you're singling out jewish people for special treatment and what it looks like, you're doing us a favor. what you're actually doing is presenting resentment. we seem disappointed throughout particularly european jewish history, where jews have certain protections from the ruling class for a certain amount of time. and when there is pressure on that ruling class and they want to ship blame to the jews, they say, look how they took advantage of you and look how much better they had it while you were suffering. and your peasantry isn't the same dynamic repeating itself. and it's using palestinian blood to do it, which makes it, i think,
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a double crime. so it's a heart use like most one is and use are often pitted against each other and what you call a 0 sum game. what do you mean as well? jews and muslims are not raised or taught to a teacher. and in fact, if we were to talk about the history of the experiences of the jewish people, you would find back their treatment was much, much better in missile majority countries than it was in christian majority countries and in europe. but also they share many values, either based on sexual political, ideological commitments or even religious commitments. and when you, when you define incorrectly anti semitism as opposition to a political ideology. in this case, political zion is a, or if you define anti semitism incorrectly as an opposition to a state practices and policies, in this case, the state of israel,
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what you do is you create a unnecessary false wedge between muslims and jews. so how does, does the recent house resolution make this even more complicated? i hear what you're saying here. we're both of you were saying, right, which is this isn't that hard? anti semitism is the agent in violence against use for being jewish. and then there are critiques of israel, their questions about zionism, etc, which are different. there is a very real rise in anti semitism that has occurred around the world both before october, 7th and certainly afterward. but then you have a house resolution house resolution 89 for which explicitly states that the, that anti zionism is anti semitism. is that dangerous and as to why this resolution reflects politics in america, it reflects the one sided support for a particular country. and on politicians, opposition to the human rights,
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human dignity of the palestinian people. if you look at the organizations that are tracking the amount of incidence, and so lights discrimination cases and complaints. but most women and students in colleges as their workplace says, the counsel american sonic relations, for example, the affair of american and kind of defamation committee most will advocate their new or this non profit organizations that sure most of their salvation communities . and they have shown that the number of hate incidence and bias incidence has risen back almost not over 200 percent in the last 8 months. why isn't congress concerned about that? population of the american citizens? so i think it's telling, but they have apps, they seem to care about religious bigotry, but only for one world unless they missed the finance. and they don't care about religious bigotry against muslims when it is rising and equally startling level in
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the united states. right. that i have to be the last where there is a 100 as these that you put in thanks so much for joining been upfront. all right, everyone that is our show upfront. we'll be back next to the what constitutes exempt. so we generally talk, you will see i want you to start with just the facts. what as to what happened as independent. we won't be i won't, we don't, we don't have to leave them in the policy of it's meant to get 50 percent representation and accountability and benefit knowing that was and services as claimant. and you're saying you'll have your reports for that. i should
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the, the, the, the hello i'm, and this is a problem and this is a news our life from the coming up in the next 60 minutes. heavy is franny bombardment of jabante, a refugee captain north and gaza, kills 16 palestinians, and just dozens more residential areas reduced to rubble and southern gaza. at
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least 30 people are killed and is riley stripes. and rough uh no food, no voice that.

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