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hello and welcome to the program. i'm telling you, navigate of israel's war on god has killed at least 20000 palestinians and injured tens of thousands more american and european allies have called for the protection of civilians. while simultaneously arming the military bombardment of one of the most densely populated areas in the world, as the death toll rises, so too does regional tension and anger among israel's opponents. so what happens if the gods are onslaught continues? could it spark a wider war in the region and do the us honest allies have any leverage over the is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu, or does she have their backend regardless of what he does as will be asking those

questions and more of our guests shortly. but 1st car leg takes a look at the possible dangerous israel's war and does a widens into a regional conflict. as bombs rained down on garza, the reverberations israel's will being felt further afield. most recently, at sea, with humans who sees targeting ships in the red sea and inactive philadelphia to day. se with palestinians under israel is on slaughter. that's prompt to the us to form what it calls a multinational naval task force to patrol the vital shipping route. within the 1st weeks of its will on gaza is very official say that we're preparing for possible expansion on multiple fronts. a mass cooled on regional affiliates for support following its october the 7th tax, which killed more than $1100.00 is ray. these efforts in syria were bombed by israel. it says detroit potential or rang and mobilization if it's the

neighboring iraq the own, our country in the middle east. that's passed legislation binding normalization with israel on groups many backed by a run, pledge to support for him. us launching attacks on us spaces and threatening to go further. israel continued it's will not just on gaza, but also in southern lebanon. course border attacks and exchanges a fi up between his ready forces. any round back has bl of fighters have increased in recent months. on the, on the iran has sort of distance itself from accusations paying a direct role in the homeless defensive against israel. but it has one of regional ramifications. israel continues its military campaign in gaza. the members of the gulf corporation council have presented a more of united front as a months of war, drag on pushing for a ceasefire and humanitarian aid. access through diplomatic means baton,

egypt and mediators with channels to both israel and her last security captive exchange deals. and brief pause in the fighting and despite normalizing relations with israel 3 years ago, united arab emirates dropped at the latest you and security council resolution on a ceasefire regional policy. how do you re be, has report a put it's normalization, talks with israel on hold as a joint cove for lost interest in gauze on cools, that as of now before and on deaf ears as the sound of bombs continued to resonate across casa car leg alj a 0 for inside story with our bringing our guests. joining us from new york city is armor of mine who is a fellow at the middle east council and global affairs. he focuses on palestine, middle east geo politics and american foreign policy in the region. over in

washington dc, we have mikko pel, it has the human rights activist, an officer. his book, the general son, journey often is really in palestine, is based on his experiences as the son of a former military governor of the gaza strip. and joining us from brussels as elijah magneer, military and political analyst, who as a former wars own correspondence, has covered more than 35 years of conflict in the middle east on north africa. thanks for your time, john. someone get to have you with us on inside story or i might have some on the longer the war in guys that goes on, how likely is it that it sparks a regional war? and i know that this is a broad question, but we'll drill down into the details throughout this program. is sure it certainly makes the risk ever present, obviously as long as it's ongoing that risk the stays there, stays active and anything can kind of kick it off. obviously we've seen the northern front between israel and up in on a, you know, active since october 7th. and that has the potential to escalate at any point in

recent weeks. months. the hope these and, and you're going to have, have engaged now 1st firing rockets and now you know, closing the bathroom and up straight to shipping lights. and that has a much broader a global economic ramifications. and obviously now the us has, has put together a kind of a coalition of naval coalition, which importantly actually is not, doesn't have any arab states with the exception of, by the end, which is almost a consolation prize here. but those other ads states, even though it affects their economies as well, can, you know, have not had not engaged in that efforts. and that's kind of important and telling . so um are, if there is then a regional war and like you say anything could kick it off, does this then by default mean more of the us as involvement because right now we understand that us is somewhat involved in what's going on. but how,

how deep would the us as an involvement be if there's a wider escalation? it will do us as a, as a party, to this conflict in many ways. first of all, and it's total support for israel is it's it, as it's carried out this military campaign that includes you know, arming the israelis, that includes diplomatic cover for the just realize that includes intelligence sharing with these relays. so in all those particular ways, and then also as, as you, as you mentioned, you know, the us has dispatched carrier fleets to the region. so it's engaged militarily somewhat. obviously, it's not heavily engaged militarily, but it's, but it's in fault. and that's a double edge sword. because, you know, in one sense it's, it's meant a deterrence, in another sense, it's a provocation. it also puts military target some more military targets in the region for others to attack. and we've seen that take place. and so, you know, the us is, is definitely engaged. and, you know, the, there's many ways in which this can affect the region, not only in terms of war,

but you know, if israel's intentions is to ethnically cleanse the gaza strip, as it appears is the case. you know that has effects for border states like egypt for g. ready and if so, that's a good, that's the, okay, speaking of israel's intentions, nico, i'll come over to you. do you think that there is a sort of a premeditated intention by israel to whiten this war or, or could it just suddenly erupt out of recklessness? where do you think that is really position is on this? you know, that's a good question, but i think we need to broaden the lines. i mean, we can't just look at this particular um that particular uh you know, eventually begin october. the 7th, we have to look at the 75 year history of the palestine. israel has been engaged in the genocide for 75 years. the rest of the world has been silent, mostly the. our countries have been neutralized either through disruption, as we've seen a lab in us. and i'm sorry in libya, syria, iraq and so on or through normalization. and israel is free to do everything you

want is not only america and the west that is supporting israel. and israel has over 40 diplomatic emissions in africa. and we don't see the african states standing up for palestine or, or, or anyone else in the world. it goes with the brakes that lives with maybe the exception of resistance of africa standing with the past in. so is there a way for you to do everything at once? and there's really nobody in the region to get that can seriously threaten israel. perhaps the only the only things we're seeing is that perhaps the hotel is actions are the only ones that are there showing some responsibility in trying to curb and respond to the genocide that's been going on. so granted, what's the events that began in october 7 in which of course, you know, boston is we're able to, to, to come out of this, this is prison, which is the guy, the guy, the strip and, and paralyzed the state of israel. this is uh, you know, heightening of the savagery that we've seen by israel, perhaps that's worse than anything we've seen in the past. but it's not separate

from everything that's been going on since the state of visit. it was established. oh, you're absolutely right. i mean, the context of all of this mika is, is, in fact, the occupation, but what i want to get to today, and for the purposes of this discussion, is where it is as real stands when it comes to widening this conflict, taking it outside of gaza, as well as the more airpods than anybody else. and so i don't think israel is worried about that. if anybody, if anybody tries to seriously engage with israel, then they will be wiped out just like we've seen 11 out over the years. we see it and you know, it was already bombing in syria. and so i don't think israel is concerned about that, plus the entire world, the supporting it. they're getting all the weapons that they need. so i don't think israel is worried at all about this and i'll have to also say, i don't think there's a strategy behind israel's actions or upgrade to those thinking. i think what we're seeing is, is, is revenge as just as just destruction and killing for the sake of vengeance. because israel was humiliated october the 7th. so i don't think it's, you know, there's worried about that as long as it's got it's, it's, it's able to maintain its military. uh, you know, power. it's not,

no disagree already over everybody else. and like i said, the air countries have been neutralized. so who is there to threaten israel? okay, elijah, let's bring you in and can you weigh in on this discussion? and, and you know, we've already mentioned the, the who sees and yemen and the us now announcing this maritime coalition. do you think that this could spark a regional war? it says already logging because at the intervention of this, the law from the 2nd day of this fall snake and that as a whole of the rock, the resistance attacking the american bases is sending strong messages to age rare . and finally, the intervention of on cyber law, who yeah man, even send me more sort of message to these relays as to the times that this was. busy it's not on that anything, any of those are for guides. uh no,

but it is in dog being slowly, but surely this is a start of the access of the resistance. never play all the call and i think these are easiest trying anywhere read about it. otherwise, it would never, for all central falls in the red sea to come for head of the americans, the french and the british were not loading up in the sea, stopping in, intercepting the massage, and the drones not by the d. h with, you know, into supplying these really with the status of thousands of ammunition. it protects age right at the united nation by refusing any c spy a is off of 2000. there's a whole says, a nation way to support the americans, rose or support that is right is getting from the day. why? because a drain is weak and it doesn't matter. he's on his own, took on from the,

from the top of the that, but even got south to $75.00 days. it has occupied that sort of goes up, but control 0 ground because today the tabs on the v yesterday. again, every single day, the op that's on the x ray to automation forces inside got it means is right, is point just worried about what's happening in the fall they saw, isn't it all day? so david, show me, elijah, can v, uh, what's happening in, in yemen. and the red sea can, does this sort of change the positions of the as really is, or the americans could we see retaliation against the whole thing is in the human. do you think when the money is set already, se americans and they are fully aware of that time again, then to hold that in mind, that will be shut down. but it is good to be on the image it to by monday because

that would be considered a low zone and know to match a mac and company with that to kind of close to the right. see that would be the classic that and then the shows the when docs that i said to. so if i decide doesn't mean they are stronger than the nation, but they would not be defeated. but that means that the whole wouldn't even in the keep inside the because the question is, what's going to happen to the straight of homeless? what's going to happen to them and is to ring in the hope these will not be in a that's good. um that's a is not that's the okay. um speaking of not being left alone i'm out of mind. i mean, when we talk about a possible regionalization, we're talking and as you were mentioning earlier about the involvement in the us that currently exists and it could potentially deepen. does that then mean by default the, the deeper involvement of iran, i don't know. i mean, a run is in a sense, playing it safe it's, it's kind of playing the strategy. it has,

it has conducted for many years, which is using in a non state actors within the region to carry out certain goals to put pressure in various ways. and so the direct involvement a wrong, you know, i don't know as i'm certain now if this, if this, you know, really regionalize is and there's a full scale war in certain places, then i'm sure you wrong, will become involved one way or the other. i think, you know, it's not just iran taking action, but you know, the united states israel taking action against the wrong and bringing it, you know, directly into the conflict itself. so i think that is an ever present possibility. and you know, we'll see how that plays out mika, what is row actually be able to fight? let's say, to full alone conflicts, one, obviously the world going on in gaza. and then once one on the border with loving on, if it gets to that point, even with the us is backing. yes, i mean they get is what it's got. it's got air power and the air power is the key.

i mean, granted the ground forces are not as effective. uh, certainly not, not when they, they face the physical out fighters 11 or the pal students and gaza. but it's not an airport. we see what is the not in the past. i mean, because of massive, you know, millions of refugees, total destruction, and i don't really see who is that, who is out there that can threaten israel. it was, it was an all out war. set us at all. i made it very clear that this is, you know, this is the cost in any issue, but it's not going to be a larger, a larger, wider war. i don't see how iran could possibly get involved. you know, they're not going to send troops. i mean, you know what, i mean, i don't, i don't see, i don't see how this is going to happen, i think is, understands this. and again, it's always been working very hard for decades to neutralize all of its neighbors, either by destruction or normalization. and nobody's got the military force that israel has, or again, the hardware, the capability them, the, the gape ability to cause destruction. so yes, there's a body to a business coming from, from here, missiles coming from the whole days in a row. and and, and yeah, man trying to, to add to this, but it's

a serious threat to israel. i don't, i don't, i don't see where it's going to come from. and again, israel's got the ability to bomb and destroy the entire city is you know, and, and, and again, with the full supports of the united states before as a part of the rest of the world. so i don't think israel is, i don't think it still has a reason to worry about this. um, the only way that is really the only thing that is does have to worry about. and i believe they are worried is our diplomatic fraud is on the public opinion front is in fact the board more people around the world are standing up for, you know, to support the cost enhanced. but in terms of, in terms of laura is the, i don't, i don't see how was where the bread would come from. and i'm sure these are all these can see that as well. and i'll say get anybody run, you know, i don't see how your eyes are going to be sending troops. i mean, i logistically this doesn't really work. and again, is there a strategy of neutralizing its neighbors is working very well in, in, in, in, in allowing it to do it is doing and at the same time not be threatened by anyone, elijah, look, i mean has something else that i did say in one of his speeches that event on the

ground will dictate the groups position and what they do going forward. but, but for the is really, is having the americans stationed off the coast of lebanon right now of the shores of 11 on a. do you think that they're sending a message to has by law in level actually. okay. no, because the x rays was sending several messages to that and on and professional uh, it will, uh, has been dominated. and the americans are trying with the french to create a dialogue where they can personal a successful not to need others. but the problem is that the americans and these really have a limited knowledge about how people are a product installed separate and because they all the same people who lived in the south, devon, a lot of the south, it's never known the fall of the society or defending that from and that is right

now this whole thing, i don't think these really operations of that uh now leave the thing that's having a supervisor with the hassles that they do now is that it's really something in the elementary school. it's show up in the mid 83. not that if we don't get the kind of style the americans have the supervisor. again, you have a guy me who had no is one jet. and yet the americans did not the faith of god's done the same ended up in the 1980 to be as really amazed at the country and as the loved doesn't have jack in the year 2000 and we bought pulled up the 11 on it was caged out a 2006. these really had the supervisor and they had the superiority in air force and they did managed to achieve the attractive and without going very far in case really in 2023

a. gaza is ryan as 700. yet. what the objects have achieved so far as any of the from asked meant the rate of lights that to in these really jet. this is why they had to send boots on the ground and the soldier that on the ground, i got an off period and i was suffering 5 casualty in a tiny bit. the area in the big old, big concentration gum that goes around that. all these he is and yet managing to stand, i guess what used to be or the most a file put all me any image of need that goes to who mediate on the southern. so go back and continue to be so in gaza and tradition, good day, right. let's move on to i'm on for a moment time or do you think that the u. s. has a clear plan as to where this war is heading and i'm not here asking you about the day after what happens to garza. i'm asking you about the actual war on the ground

. do you think that us wants to see a temporary cease fire or permanency speier? that is, is there a strategy? well, it's made pretty clear that it is, i'm interested in the ceasefire from its behavior of the un security council in terms of vetoing and delaying us security council resolutions, which would have a legal legally binding a effect. um, at the same time, you know, obviously the us is, is making statements. i don't know if it's paying lip service to the civilian casualties and the way that is real is conducting the war. now it's hard to say if that's a genuine concern, if it's pastoring well, you know, playing interference, running interference for these rallies, whether this has some kind of skits, of front of policy in terms of, you know, biding and in terms of all out support for israel while others and it's been his administration or wavering on that front, it's hard to say, but you know, the us when it, where it matters word counts is arming these realize it's financing these releases, providing support for these realize on the ground as well as within the united

nations that's important and it's, it's really hard to understand, you know, the benefit for the united states. i think in every possible way. this is a disaster for the united states in terms of its natural interest in terms of its international standing. even domestically, i mean, if you could make the argument that domestically this was helping by that, that would be one thing. but his support is that as low as possible and separate polls are showing that that is also even tied to his, his response to what's happening in gaza. so on every front, this is a, this is a problem for the united states, and yet it is continuing to, to carry on along this path and support as real. and that, that is very problematic. because do you think you think that the us and other allies were still supporting is real, have any leverage over the years, really prime minister benjamin netanyahu, or at this point or, or does he have their backend regardless of what he does and how he conducts his work well as heavy as it is to both. i mean a he does have their support right now of course, because this is real,

it is almost always had this the parts of the, of its allies, a 110 percent. again, going back historically the genocide of, of, of the palestinian people going back 75 years. you know, nobody's ever stood in israel's way. um, they have leverage, of course, they have leverage, they can stop this tomorrow and they get this manual. they can bring to the complete this mentioning of the apartheid stage tomorrow, and then the creation of a free democratic palestine from the, to the see they could live and they can, they could have prevented all these tens of thousands of or if that's a fast indians and guys, over the last couple of months. so of course they have leverage, they do have leverage. of course, the thing is they're not using their leverage rather than using of their leverage. and i agree, this is strategically, this is, this is a huge blunder. because why do you think that they're not using their leverage at this point of the lead? because there's no reason to, i mean, the, there's no, the public opinion is not pressuring the elected politicians to do so. there's a tradition in united states and the west of supporting is realises and it goes

back a very long time and is the result of a great deal of effort by the very design is the groups that exist that operate in the west. so, so it's a part of the is really something that comes naturally. it's not even something people have to try to think about because it is so, so entrenched in, in, in the culture and the thinking in the west that we must support israel. and so that there's no real deep strategic thinking going into this. it's almost reflects that i think. and so that there is, unless there's some serious pressure by constituents that workforce elected officials to stand up and, and the apartheid stage and, and the genocide in the end is massive brutality against the boston people. there's no reason to expect they will lose their leverage because again, this is part of this allows businesses done. there's nobody disrupting the business as usual, supporting israel. there's nobody standing up there and presenting the case for palestine, if you will. if it doesn't exist, there's no counterparts to these rarely efforts. and these are the law these to the

versus rather groups that operate in, in, you know, all over all over the united states and certainly in, in europe. so until such time but such, you know, presence exist, there's no reason to expect the united states or the west will use or leverage against israel. elijah, look, it's been described as, as a genocide. what's going on and gaza by you when human rights experts, but still is it mika, was just saying the us not using it to leverage on israel to stop this war? or the is really, is actually achieving any of their strategic military objectives that they set out to do what they haven't announced that would never be cheap, but what they did not, and now they are trying to achieve it. so they said we would defeat them out and freedom all the hostages and the presidents and they got their what that. so the day of this so they cannot release anyone without negotiation. so that subjective is not going to be cheap and they are asking the top to make

a for the release of the prisoners to any minute from us, a full men prime minister and who are up say a mass is united, be able to do, cannot be defeated, this is why these really are doing something completely different that are destroying in augusta. so they are making show that no, no people, no police team in the christian almost. and wouldn't ever return to the north, at least this is where they all act at this moment. and they have destroyed all of that fall. now this is where everybody's looking at what's happening there and the behavior of the resistance, if it is still on the same face, because nobody wants to disturb the senior goals. and all the people involved supporting guys that makes a full day for the senior resistance to defend themselves or make it show that the war is not turning between needed. right. and what is right as one of the ways, right and the rocky. this is why it's

a very strong focus on what's happening and gaza and all the while. these readings are going to continue the destruction and the kidding of the children and women. but how is the best situation, elijah? so you know, that turning point that could turn between would be a rockies or what has been the 11 on or with the food these and yeah, and how delicate is it at this point? it is extremely that it because the other senior calls should not be that event at all goals, otherwise it will lose the support of the population. well, why sofa who is supporting is right. it's early united states and britain abstain to vote in favor of non ceasefire. they, for the rest of the world doesn't stand with age, right? however, it is important not to create a conflict between what is right or hezbollah and is right. but in the name

of god, in the name of the children and women in this is exactly what i'm sorry, a lot and human has done. and this is why they limited to that sion only to lift the siege on guys. so they not. so i think in the name of it was they not finding the name of the proxy. anyone would like to pull them. they type thing in the name of the senior civilians on that day, every single day. a guy's bodies really nice. all right, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us. thanks my guess. i'm out of mind me co pilot and elijah magneer. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out to 0 dot com for further discussion. you can go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. join the conversation on x r handle is adrian side. story from myself and the whole team here in delphi. thanks for watching and bye bye. for now the,

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