in storage, from global markets to economies and a small business, worsening food and security around the world of history or something that the international community your view should be doing to understand how it affects. counting the cost on o g 0. the the 20000 palestinians killed in gaza by israel armed and backed by the us on european allies, more fighting nearby to his butler and loving on the policies in him and among the groups involved. could israel's war trigger a wider conflict? this is inside story. the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm telling you, navigate of israel's war on god. so it has killed at least $20000.00 palestinians and injured tens of thousands more american and european allies have called for the protection of civilians. while simultaneously arming the military bombardment of one of the most densely populated areas in the world, as the death toll rises, so too does regional tension and anger among israel's opponents. so what happens if the gods are onslaught continues? could it spark a wider war in the region and do the us on this allies have any leverage over the is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu, or does she have their backend regardless of what he does, will be asking those questions and more of our guests shortly but 1st car leg takes a look at the possible dangerous israel's war and gaza widens into a regional conflict. as blooms rained down on garza,

the reverberations of israel's war being felt further afield. most recently, at sea, with the edmons who sees targeting ships in the red sea and inactive philadelphia to day, se with palestinians under israel's, on slaughter. that's prompt to the us to form what it calls a multinational naval task force to patrol the vital shipping route. within the 1st weeks of its will on gaza is very official say that we're preparing for possible expansion on multiple fronts to a mouse called on regional affiliates for support. following it's october, the 7th tax, which killed more than $1100.00 is ray. these efforts in syria were bummed by israel. it says detroit potential arranging mobilization, if it's the neighboring iraq the own our country in the middle east. it's passed legislation binding normalization with israel on groups of many backed by

a ron pledge, the support for hum us launching attacks on us spaces and threatening to go further . israel continued its will not just on gaza, but also in southern lebanon. cross border attacks and exchanges a fi up between is ready. forces any round back has blood flight has have increased in recent months on the, on the iran has sort to distance itself from accusations paying a direct role in the homeless offensive against israel. but it has one of the regional ramifications. israel continues, it's a military campaign in gaza. members of the gulf cooperation council have presented a more of united front as the months of war, drag on pushing for sci fi and humanitarian aid access through diplomatic means. baton egypt immediate as with channels to vote israel and from us secure the captive exchange deals and brief pause in the fighting. and despite

mobilizing relations with israel, 3 years ago, united arab emirates dropped at the latest you and security council resolution on a ceasefire regional policy. how do you rate be? has report a put it's normalization, talks with israel on hold as a joint cove for lost interest in gone. so the calls that as of now before and on deaf ears as the sound of bombs continued to resonate across casa car leg alger, 0 for inside story the with our bringing our guests. joining us from new york city is all about of mine who's a fellow at the middle east council on global affairs. he focuses on palestine, middle east geo politics and american foreign policy in the region over in washington dc. we have nico pell, it has a human rights activist, an officer. his book, the general son, journey often is really in palestine, is based on his experiences as the son of

a former military governor of the gaza strip and joined us from brussels as elijah magneer, a military and political analyst, who as a former wars own correspondence, has covered more than 35 years of conflict in the middle east on north africa. thanks for your time, john. so i'm going get to have you with us on inside story or i might have some on the longer the war in guys that goes on, how likely is it that it sparks or regional war. and i know that this is a broad question, but we'll drill down into the details throughout this program. is sure it certainly makes the risk ever present, obviously, as long as it's ongoing, that risk stays there, stays active, and anything can kind of kick it off. obviously we've seen the northern front between israel and loving on, you know, active since october 7th. and that has the potential to escalate at any point in recent weeks, months. the hope these and, and you're going to have engaged now, 1st firing rockets. and now, you know,

closing the bathroom and up straight to shipping lights and that has a much broader a global economic ramifications. and obviously now the us has, has put together a kind of a coalition and able coalition, which importantly actually is not, doesn't have any uh, error of states with the exception of by the end, which is almost a consolation prize here. but those other apps states, even though it affects their economies as well, can, you know, have not had not engaged in that effort. and that's kind of important and telling. so are, if there is then a regional war and like you say anything could kick it off, does this then by default, mean more of the us as involvement, because right now we understand that us is somewhat involved in what's going on. but how, how deep would the us as an involvement be if there is a wider escalation? it will do us as a, as a party, to this conflict in many ways. first of all,

and it's total support for israel as it's, as it's carried out this military campaign that includes you know, arming the israelis, that includes diplomatic cover for the just realized that includes intelligence sharing with these relays. so in all those particular ways, and then also as, as you, as you mentioned, you know, the us has dispatched carrier fleets to the region. so it's engaged militarily somewhat. obviously, it's not heavily engaged militarily, but it's, but it's in fault. and that's a double edge sword. because, you know, in one sense it's, it's meant a deterrence, in another sense, it's a prob occasion. it also puts military targets more military targets in the region for others to attack. and we've seen that take place. and so, you know, the us is, is definitely engaged. and, you know, the, there's many ways in which this can affect the region, not only in terms of war, but you know, if israel's intentions is to ethnically cleanse the because the strip as it appears is the case. you know,

that has effects for border states like egypt for jordan. it's. so that's a good, that's the okay. speaking of israel's intentions, nico, i'll come over to you. do you think that there is a sort of a pre meditated intention by israel to whiten this war? or, or could it just suddenly erupt out of recklessness? where do you think that is really position is on this? you know, that's a good question, but i think we need to broaden the lines. i mean, we can't just look at this particular um at that particular, you know, eventually began october. the 7th. we have to look at the 75 year history of the palestine. israel has been engaged in the genocide for 75 years. the rest of the world has been silent, mostly the. our countries have been neutralized either through disruption, as we've seen and 11 us. and i'm sorry, in libya, syria, iraq and so on or through normalization. and israel is free to do everything you want is not only america and the west that is supporting israel. and israel has over 40 diplomatic commissions in africa. and we don't see the african states

standing up for palestine or, or, or anyone else in the world. they don't see the brakes alliance with maybe the exception of resistance of africa standing with the past in. so is there a way for you to do everything at once? and there's really nobody in the region to get that can seriously threaten israel. perhaps the only the only things we're seeing is that perhaps the hotel is actions are the only ones that are those are in some responsibility in trying to curb and respond to the genocide that's been going on. so granted, what's the events that began in october 7? in which, of course, you know, boston's, were able to, to, to come out of this, this is present, which is the guy, the guy, the strip and, and paralyze the state of israel. this is uh, you know, heightening of the savagery that we've seen by israel, perhaps that's worse than anything we've seen in the past. but it's not separate from everything that's been going on since the state of visit. it was established. oh, you're absolutely right. i mean, the context of all of this mika is, is, in fact, the occupation, but what i want to get to today, and for the purposes of this discussion,

is where it is as real stands when it comes to widening this conflict, taking it outside of gaza, as well, these guys have got more airpods than anybody else. and so i don't think israel is worried about that. does anybody? if anybody tries to seriously engage with israel, then they will be wiped out just like we've seen 11 out over the years. we see it and you know, it was already bombing in syria. and so i, i don't think is really, is concerned about that. plus the entire world, the supporting it. they're getting all the weapons that they need. so i don't think israel is worried at all about this and i'll have to also say, i don't think there's a strategy behind israel's actions or upgrade to those thinking. i think what we're seeing is, is, is revenge just as just destruction and killing for the sake of vengeance. because israel was humiliated october the 7th. so i don't think it's, you know, there's worried about that as long as it's got it's, it's, it's able to maintain its military. uh, you know, power to not know, disagree already over everybody else. and like i said, the air countries have been neutralized. so who is there to threaten israel? okay, elijah, let's bring you in and can you weigh in on this discussion?

and, and you know, we've already mentioned the, the who sees and yemen and the us now announcing this maritime coalition. do you think that this could spark a regional war and it says already a lobby because at the intervention of this, the law from the 2nd day of this conflict and that as a whole of the roster resistance attacking the american bases is sending strong messages to a driver and finally the intervention of on solve a law to yeah, man. even sending more sort of message to these really add to the eyes that this was, it's not on that anything, any orders of guides. uh no, but it is. and again, slowly, but surely, this is the start of the axis of the resistance. never play all the call and i think these are easy to strain anywhere, read about it. otherwise,

it would never for all central falls in the red sea to come for head of the american, the french and the british were not loud enough in the blank. c as stopping and intersecting the massage. and the drones not by the d. h with, you know, into supplying these really with the status of thousands of ammunition. it protects age right at the united nation by refusing any c spy a is off of 2000. there's a whole says a nation way to support in the americans rose. all this of all that is right is getting from the day. why is because 80 grand is week and it doesn't matter on his own to come from the, from the top of the that but even got south to 75 days. it has occupied the active goes up, but control 0 ground because today the tags on the v yesterday again,

every single day, the off that's on the is read off. the basic forces inside got it means is right, is why that's the way that outlets happening. and so they saw isn't it all day? so david, show me, elijah, can v, uh, what's happening in, in yemen and the red sea can, does this sort of change the positions of the as really is or the americans could we see retaliation against the flu season? in the young men, do you think when the money is already se americans and they are pretty aware of that, retiring it then to hold that in mind that would be shut down. but it is good to be on the images to bother monday because that would be considered a low zone and know to match a mac and company with that to kind of close to the right. see the classic

that and then the shows the when docs that i said to serve i, besides doesn't mean they are stronger than it for religion, but they would not be defeated. but that means that the whole wouldn't even in the keep inside the, because the question is, what's going to happen to the strength of homeless? what's going to happen to them? and as to ring in the hostage will not be in a that's good. um that's a is not that's the okay. um speaking of not being left alone i'm out of mon. i mean when we talk about a possible regionalization. we're talking and as you were mentioning earlier about the involvement in the us that currently exists and it could potentially deepen. does that then mean by default the, the deeper involvement of iran, i don't know. i mean a run is in a sense, playing it safe. it's, it's kind of playing the strategy it has, it has conducted for many years, which is using in a non state actors within the region to carry out certain goals to put pressure in

various ways. and so the direct involvement a wrong, you know, i don't know as i'm certain now if this, if this, you know, really regionalize is and there's a full scale war in certain places, then i'm sure you wrong, will become involved one way or the other. i think, you know, it's not just iran taking action, but you know, the united states israel taking action against the wrong and bringing it, you know, directly into the conflict itself. so i think that is as an ever present possibility. and you know, we'll see how that plays out mika, with this row, actually be able to fight, let's say, to full alone conflicts, one, obviously the world going on in gaza. and then once one on the border with loving on, if it gets to that point, even with the u. s. is backing. yes, i mean it again is it was got, it's got air power and the air power is the key. i mean, granted the ground forces are not as effective, certainly not, not when they faced the visible out fighters 11 or the boston ends and gaza. but it's not an airport. we see what is your, the not in the past. i mean,

because of massive, you know, millions of refugees, total destruction, and i don't really see who is that, who is out there that can threaten israel. it was, it was an all out war. set us at all. i made it very clear that this is, you know, this is the cost in any issue, but it's not going to be a larger, a larger, wider war. i don't see how iran could possibly get involved. you know, they're not going to send troops. i mean, you know what, i mean, i don't, i don't see, i don't see how this is going to happen, i think is, understands this. and again, there's always been working very hard for decades to neutralize all of its neighbors, either by the instruction or normalization, and nobody's got the military force that israel has, or again, the hardware, the capability, the, the capability to cause destruction. so yes, there's a body, you know, this was coming from from here, missiles coming from the whole days in a row and, and, and yeah and, and trying to, to add to this, but it's a serious threat to israel. i don't, i don't, i don't see where it's going to come from. and again, israel's got the ability to bomb and destroy the entire city is you know, and, and, and again, with the full support of the united states,

the fulls of parts of the rest of the world. so i don't think is really, i don't think is what has a reason to worry about this. um, the only way that is really the only thing that it will does have to worry about. and i believe they are worried is automatic fraud is on a public opinion. front is affected more and more people around the world are standing up for, you know, to support the golf students. but in terms of, in terms of laurie's or of the, i don't, i don't see how was where the bread would come from. and i'm sure these are, these can see that as well. and i'll say again about iran, you know, i don't see how your eyes are going to be sending the troops. i mean, i logistically, this doesn't really work. and again, is there a strategy of neutralizing its neighbors is working very well in, in, in, in, in allowing it to do it is doing and at the same time not be threatened by anyone, elijah, look, i mean has something else that i did say in one of his speeches that event on the ground will dictate the groups position and what they do going forward. but for the is really, is having the americans stationed off the coast of lebanon right now off the shores

of lebanon. a. do you think that they're sending a message to has by law in level? absolutely. no, because the x rays, us sending several messages to that for now and professional uh, head will, uh, has been dominated. and the americans are trying, with the french to create a dialogue where they can personal a physical not to need others. but the problem is that the americans and these really have a limited knowledge about how people like a product and stuff and stuff. and because they all the same people who lived in the south 7 and a lot of the south, it's never known the of the society or defending back from. and if that is right now, go to thing. i don't think these really officials uh that uh, not least,

the thing that's having a super follow up with the headphones. that's easy enough is that it's really something in the, in the met 3 score, 8 show up in the mid 83. not that if we don't get the gun to stop the americans of the supervisor again, you have forgotten me. who has no give is one jet. and yet the man did not the faith of god's done the same ended up in the 1980 to be is really amazed at the country and as the loved doesn't have jack in the 2005 pulled up the 11 months. it was kicked out a 2016, so he really had the super power that had the superiority in air force. and they did managed to achieve the attractive and without going very far in history in 2023 a. gaza is ryan as $700.00 yet what the objects have achieved so far as any of the from mass meant,

the rate of lights that to in these really jet. this is why they have to say and this is on the ground and the soldier that on the ground and got an off period in our suffering, fine casualty in a tiny bit, the area in the big oh, big concentration gum that goes around the all these he is and yet managing to stand, i guess what used to be for the most a boss, look at all me. any image a need that goes to humiliate on the southern. so go back and continue to be so in gaza and tradition, good day. right. let's move on to i'm on for a moment time or do you think that the u. s. has a clear plan as to where this war is heading and i'm not here asking you about the day after what happens, the garza, i'm asking you about the actual war on the ground. do you think of us once to see a temper ceasefire or permanent cease fire is? is there a strategy? it's made pretty clear that it is i'm interested in the ceasefire from its behavior

of the un security council in terms of v towing and delaying us security council resolutions, which would have a legal legally binding a effect. um, at the same time, you know, obviously the us is, is making statements. i don't know if it's paying lip service to the civilian casualties in the way that israel's conduct in the war. now it's hard to say if that's a genuine concern, if it's pastoring well, you know, playing interference, running interference for these rallies, whether this has some kind of skits of front of the policy and in terms of, you know, biding and in terms of all that support for israel, while others, and it has been, it is administration or wavering on that front. it's hard to say, but you know, the us what it, where it matters where it counts is arming these realize it's financing these realize it's providing support for these relays on the ground, as well as within the united nations. that's important. and it's, it's really hard to understand, you know, the benefit for the united states, i think in every possible way. this is a disaster for the united states in terms of its national interest in terms of its

international standing. even domestically. i mean, if you could make the argument that domestically the was helping by that, that would be one thing. but his support is that as low as possible and several calls are showing that that is also even tied to his, his response to what's happening in gaza. so on every front, this is a, this is a problem for the united states, and yet it is continuing to, to carry on along this path and support israel. and that is, that is very problematic. because do you think you think that the us and other allies were still supporting israel, have any leverage over the years, really prime minister benjamin netanyahu, or at this point or, or does he have their backend regardless of what he does and how he conducts his work well as heavy as it is to both, i mean a he does have the support right now of course, because this is real and is almost always had this, the parts of the, of his allies, a 110 percent. again, going back historically the genocide of, of, of the palestinian people going back 75 years. you know,

nobody's ever stood in israel's way. um, they have leverage, of course, they have leverage, they can stop this tomorrow and they get this manual. they can bring to the complete dismantling of the 5, i'd say tomorrow. and then the creation of a free democratic palestine from the to the see they could live and they could, they could have prevented all these tens of thousands of or is it as a fast, it ends in guys over the last couple of months. so of course they have leverage, they do have leverage, of course, the thing is they're not using their leverage rather than using of their leverage. and i agree, this is strategically, this is, this is a huge blunder. because why do you think that they're not using their leverage at this point? i believe, because there's no reason to, i mean the, there's no, the problem. public opinion is not pressuring the elected politicians to do so. there's a tradition in united states and in the west of supporting is realization, it goes back a very long time and is the result of a great deal of effort by the very design is the groups that exist that operate in the west. so, so it's a part of the is really something that comes naturally. it's not even something

people have to try to think about because it is so, so entrenched in, in, in the culture and the thinking in the last that we must support israel. and so that there's no real deep strategic thinking going into this. it's almost reflexive, i think. and so the there this, unless there's some serious pressure by constituents that workforce elected officials to stand up and, and the apartheid stage and, and the genocide in the end is. c brutality against the boston and people, there's no reason to expect. they will lose their leverage because again, this is part of business. our business is done. there's nobody disrupting the business as usual, of supporting israel. there's nobody standing up there and presenting the case for palestine. if you will, if it doesn't exist, there's no counterparts to these roughly efforts. and these are the lot these to the versus rather groups that operate in, in, you know, all over all over the united states and certainly in in europe. so until such time that such, you know, presents exist. there's no reason to expect the united states for the use of

leverage against israel. elijah, look, it's been described as, as a genocide. what's going on and gaza by you when human rights experts, but still, as mika was saying, the us not using it to leverage on israel to stop this war. or the is really, is actually achieving any of their strategic military objectives that they set out to do what they haven't announced that would never be cheap, but what they did not, and now they are trying to achieve it. so they said we would defeat them out and freedom all the hostages and the presidents and they got their what that so the day of this so they cannot release anyone without negotiation. so that subject that is not going to be cheap and they are asking to, to make a, for the release of the prisoners, added to any minute from us, a full men prime minister and who are up to a masters united be able to do it cannot be defeated,

this is why these really are doing something completely different than destroy in augusta. so they are making show that no new people, nope, listing in the christian almost. and one ever returns to the northeast. this is where they all act at this moment. and they have destroyed all of that call. now this is where everybody's looking at what's happening there and the behavior of the resistance, if it is still on the same face, because nobody wants to disturb the senior goals. and all the people involved supporting guys that i support the senior resistance to defend themselves. main control that the war is not turning between needed. right. and what is right as one of the ways, right, and the rocky. this is why you the it's, it's a strong focus on what's happening in gaza and all the while. these readings are going to continue the destruction and the date of the children and women. but how

is the best situation, elijah? so you know, that turning point that could turn between would be a rockies or with his bottom to 11 on or with the food these and you, i'm and how delicate is it at this point? is extremely benefit because the other senior calls should not be that bad at all goals, otherwise it will lose the support of the population. well why sofa, who is supporting his right is only through united states and britain to abstain to vote in favor of non ceasefire. therefore, the rest of the world doesn't stand with age, right? however, it is important not to create a conflict between one and is right or hezbollah and is right. but in the name of the guys in the name of the children and women in that that this is exactly what i'm sorry, a lot and human has done. and this is why they limited to the auction only to lift

the siege on guys. certainly not, so i think in the name of a why they not finding the name of the proxies. anyone would like to call them, they type thing and the name of the stadium, suburban is a matter every single day thing. does the bodies really nice? all right, so we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us. thanks my guess i'm out of mind me co pilot and elijah magneer. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out to 0 adult. com. for further discussion, you can go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. join the conversation on x r handle is adrian side. story from myself and the whole team here in delphi. thanks for watching and bye bye for now the what constitutes exempt. so we can talk to a see,

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