is a battling several places near cape town, high windsor driving the fires, intell tardies of all the evacuation of homes and the pods of the flames. to me, the miller has more. the wisdom tapes, 7 peninsula is blanketed in smoke as 3 major fires, but the largest started on tuesday within $300.00 firefighters and civil. a croft, including drones, was the valence of being deployed thursday night. strong winds caused a blaze to spread from simon's down into neighboring scarborough. and another fire broke out along the main highway. the joint team managed to fly up between ourselves and risk you with assistance from proving provincial disaster management . and so it is a coordinated if it's at any given time. and we believe that we've had up to $250.00 firefighters on the file with multiple tankers. and at times it is so used up to 680 couplers with spots of things to actually bomb some of the fine lines.

especially yesterday we had such strips that 2 weeks evacuation orders be issued for about 100 households, many and the early hours of the morning. so to authority say it's a precautionary mission. on friday there was some respite from the wind, but they all concerns. it will pick up again, fanning the flames from act of the key from from you. um and uh we, so the resources a stretched the military has sent in additional helicopters. tsr say the situation is unpredictable, and more people may need to lead their homes. all the way up to contain the files and prevent damage to properties. for me to miller, i'll choose 0. as the us supreme court has declined to consider with the phone,

the president, donald trump, has immunity from prosecution for crimes committed during his time and office special council jack smith, who was prosecuting trump over his role in the capital rise in 2021. had asked the justices to take up the issue as soon as possible, and the payables court will now hear the case in january. ukrainians will be celebrating christmas on the 25th of december for the 1st time this year and a bid to curve of russian influence and the war tool and the country as orthodox christians, most ukrainians follow the traditional of russian calendar. that celebrates christmas on the 7th of january, the countries 9 church announced it would drop the tradition to see the following rushes invasion. well, that said, may tell them the cry for the moment as it was a website al jazeera dot com, has all the latest on how top stories stay tuned upfront is coming up next the,

the injustice from me k is the driving force of why i do this to show you pieces what it's like to live in some of the most dangerous part for the world to live in places where injustice is something you read in the news is something that happens to every single day. everyone, hey, is watching the news on the mobile phones. unlike your eyes, they don't watching, folding units, they watching that higher was being destroyed in real time. when you're on the ground, when you're showing people what's going on, whether it's a war or a natural disaster, whether it's political corruption, making sure they understand less simple language is absolutely crucial. but since he's already 50 percent evacuated, most those people actually left in the early days of the war. i couldn't do this job without the best camera man, best produces the best pictures and those of the people to ireland in order to be

able to get that message out to the world. the israel's use of artificial intelligence to select targets. it is $1000.00 leading to more civilian depth. that conversation is coming up. but 1st, the visual began as environment of as a we've seen a historic out for an up support for palestinians across the middle east and the wider muslim world. how long this momentum less and what's the impact of israel's killing of palestinian literary and cultural figures and god, i've asked that question to the renown author inactive is optimal to the bottom level. so thank you so much for joining us in upfront. thank you for having me mark. we've seen a mass of outpouring of support for palestine in your home country and park has done since the beginning of israel siege on guys a protest in the 10s of thousands have been held in cities all around the country with little sign a momentum slowing. why do you think that people to progress done have been so

outspoken in their support? a bunch of storm has historically always supported palestinian struggle. and of course the ending of apartheid in palestine. it's a relationship that goes back really as to when both countries were made in the sense by the sun is born in 1947 and is where it was created in 1948, but by the stuff is always had a communion with, with the policy and people we see from the united states to the united kingdom, to most of europe, i'm beyond to countries like rosa, that the people are whole heartedly in favor of a permanent ceasefire. whereas the government's not um we see people demanding certain actions from their college, which the government is that just ignoring. so i don't think we've ever seen a split so wide and i don't think that's unique to just focus on. of course defined

study. people have been protesting like people all over the world. and i think this little movement will continue on december 7th. israel killed the renown palestinian writer academic an activist, revised a lot of you, as well as 6 of his family members over the past 3 months. israel has killed more than 18000 guys is wiping out entire families, in fact, wiping out entire blood lives in yet a lot of years killing specifically, has elicited an outcry. can you explain to us who he was and why his death is being felt so? so powerfully in the last 2 months, israel has 2 a 29 journalist, i believe the numbers tabs at the killed over a 100 un beliefs agency stuff. they have killed palestinian medics and health workers in the hundreds. and they have also killed

rice's us as musicians, children, newborns. all these depths have been painful to watch. but this was, was the voice of the heart and that was the full thing. so many of us were following the air strikes, the daily struggle to get food. the last power cuts the internet cuts through to find a tweets through his instagram stories and his is will to survive his poetry, his talking about the impact of literature, the experience of writing that is one of the greatest human experiences because it does testability to survival not just suffering, and i think as well, many of us know that this is really not just a war about october 7th. it's not just the war about how much. because in that case,

why are premature children being killed in nearly to more it's like doctors being killed like douglas, thank you. but why is a poet as if i was, what is a poet and a translator? and it's shakespeare skills that are on the right to be targeted in his family who belong with his simply it's, it defies logic. it defies everything that the pain of his death from many observers is compounded by what his death signifies in terms of the loss of art, the loss of culture, the loss of literature. of course, as you mentioned, sides of that journalist of died. artist have died. a major cultural sites have been destroyed, churches mosque when people lose the art, when people lose their lives and people lose their culture. what's at stake to every state? everything is the state you're losing. um. it's a patrimony of culture. it's heritage, it's survival, it's, it's

a record. so you know, when we talk about genocide, it's not just the absolute source or of of relation. it also means you're moving them from records. that means you're moving testimony. it means you're moving on. it means you're moving poetry, moving music, it means erasing the lives of ordinary people. i think when we talk about the destruction that we're seeing and god is to reduce god to nothing, to take not just holes, but also libraries, not just hospitals, but also universities. unless there be nothing left garza be not even a memory a place that once was never will be again, not even in the pages of books. and i think that is really what is so horrifying about this fine. so, you know, we know states a threatened by cultural figures, we know that brian has a powerful because they, they hold power to account. they keep a record of mine. that's

a tower of these kinds of knight this. and that's why they killed them. that's why they've always killed art literature writers, as you just mentioned, not only hold power to account, they also create space for us to understand i d as in a different way. i am thinking about your work. for example, your novel. the runaways allows us to understand, through the lens of 3 young men who uh, become effectively radicalized in iraq. through that lens were able to understand how complicated political violence is, how complicated the journey into what a court radicalization is. uh, there's no condoning of how miles is coming up. civilians were not justifying the ongoing treatment of hostages. you once said something that, that stuck with me. you said, even as i watched my characters do terrible things, i'm more than the fact that they didn't have other choices. how is that? i the speak to what's going on with regard to the plight of palestinians at this

moment? well, you know, we're talking today marked partly to discuss the fact the use of life and, and his work. and a lot of us came to know him through an interview he did where he spoke against the backdrop of is really strikes, which is andre. behind him and all around him and he speaks through tears. and he asked what the world wants, palestinians to do to, to give up, to drown, to commit my suicide. and he said, very, moving me in that interview. he said, you know, i'm, i'm an academic, i'm, i'm a professor opposed the, the most dangerous thing i have in my home is, is the marker. but if they come from me, if they come into my house or i will take that block for them. so it's at the soldiers who have come to kill me. i think that at this point to keep god as

it has been kept under a naval blockade, a land siege. there was no apple bed. no, nothing can get in. nothing can get out. everything for food to watch or as we have seen is controlled where you are not allowed to move freely on the left to speak freely. you are not allowed to engage freely. i don't quite understand what the world wants. um, that's a no way to justify violence, but when you push people against the wall, when you don't offer them a solution for the future that they will take any option that is open to that. but that's not just in the case of palestine. that's the case of ukraine, that's the case of any people anywhere in the world. and it has been disturbing to see you crazy and resistance of other eyes and celebrated in the way as noble and profound. and then this a kind of resistance when it happens to be practiced by,

by so people demonized. when the media picked up the footage, i had sent me a young palestinian berlin standing out to in his reading the occupation soldier. pay misunderstood because she is a blonde and you know, fair skinned to be you create him on when the media lives. so i had sent me be a product, and in gro was the premium. they will listen right to buy her break, but at the moment they found that she was supposed to have that conversation with them. either we don't condone violence either. we don't accept a bother, i find them. so we do, and i've only ever seen the praise of accepted when it's white. people do it yet. another thing we think about in the open since october 7th is a kind of hyper visibility of women over the past 3 months. for example, there's been an emphasis on the visibility of women is rarely women at war with

gaza. there was a headline in the times of israel, that red squad of female idea of combat troops illuminated nearly $100.00 for mass terrace. while the article from the australian financial review reported that quote is ro is rarely female. only tank crews made history on october 7th by fighting for mass emphasizing that the quote, slightly built soldiers showed, knows, we mentioned this at chilly. this isn't exactly the feminist fantasy that many people envisioned. it's absolutely not. and i, i, i really think it's, it's be on the ranged to present a hyper sexualized female. so the, some kind of feminism, it's not, it's, it's christ, it's vulgar and it's incredibly ugly. so the message that it portrays and you comp claim from it isn't when you're killing policy, and in mothers you comp claim feminism. when your rifle is being in the hospital,

you club table 7 is a when there are children, a 25000 probably send in children have been often that cannot be equal the success of some of this. another thing that happens a lot of times is now we think pink washing. i mean on november 13th. let me give you an example. israel's official twitter account posted as a soldier, a photo of a soldier standing in front of the demolished gods. and the soldier was holding a pride flag with in the name of love, written in english, arabic and hebrew. and the post claim that it was, quote, the 1st ever pride flag raised in gaza when you see stuff like that, how do you respond? a mark i don't think there were enough words to convey the author of publicity to hold a pride flag over the scene of

a massacre over at the scene, the slow ser and then claims some kind of ownership of law. and i think it is the most of the scene kind of pink washing in there. let's also remember that same sex marriage is not legal and is room is raised. have to go to another country to marry their partners if they happen to be clear. and then maybe they get that recognized and it's open, it's not legal and these are on. so to use clear language, symbolism and history, while they carry out what is essentially a cottage, it is the, the just aside a civilian to use them uh, tried flags and played some kind of advancement. is, is, is sort of a i, i, i just don't think it can be taken seriously. i, oh, i don't. so you know, what do they know about clear lives in, in gaza or in the middle east or in the most of the world?

nothing. you know, they don't know anything about our lives. they don't even see us as a human being. and anyone who has any respect for clear politics, clear liberation, knows that you cannot tie that to a part time. you cannot apply that to occupation 5 to low. i wanna think about justice, these kind of big picture ideas that we talk about. what for you, does it take to get there? well, i, you know, i think again this, i'm not published in, in, um i, i comp time to speak for anyone. but you cannot talk about just this wonderful to pace and a brutal occupation is under way. and you cannot possibly talk about justice under the confines of, of a siege of under apartheid. i certainly don't know my so there will be

justice for these mothers who are giving birth under the most terrifying conditions that, that i can think of. i don't know what justice we can give those premature babies who are left to die because the hospitals were attacked. i don't know what justice we can ask for for not just a jobless would have been mother for telling us about this or but for the families who have been targeted and killed i, i wouldn't. i wouldn't even know where to begin, that i wouldn't even know how to ask. i think we also have to ask forgiveness. not just just that the to i wanna thank you for sharing your views with us and we appreciate your time. i thanks for the mass assassination factory. that was the headline on an investigation by 97 to magazine and local call into the is really military's artificial intelligence based targeting system called hop sorta,

which means the gospel english according to the investigation. the system uses a i to produce targeting recommendations at a faster pace than a team of humans working alone would ever be able to do. if you wanted me to discuss this is laura nolan. she's a software engineer and a volunteer with a stop killer robots coalition. all right, thanks so much for joining us on upfront. good to see you again. how does how of sort of works, what kind of information would go into in a i based the military targeting system like this? um, well unfortunately i, well i can say is we don't know a huge amount for sure. and that's very typical for these kinds of military decisions support or automation systems. i mean, there's just a lot of secrecy that's involved. i suspect that they're probably using several different kinds of inputs. so we know that there's an awful lot of surveillance that happens in casa, for example, almost certainly there will be communications measures, data and interest that's there will be very possibly human intelligence and also from cctv and uh facial recognition. and i know the sort of visual imagery that

they may have, which might include a drone on soft light imagery. so essentially there's an awful lot of information going into the system from all sorts of sources sources. when i hear about this stuff for me as a late person, this sounds overwhelming. this sounds like the most cutting edge technology possible. but the thing i was wondering is, are they even more sophisticated a weapon re and weapon systems then that that are on the horizon and then just have sorta, i don't think we know um, so for example broke, but i would say is hubs or is not necessarily a weapon system in itself. i think the mass assassination target factory was pretty active in terms of what it's doing is it's is trying to identify targets which will then be stuck with some other kind of weapon. it's very much, i'm a decision support system. but that, that doesn't say, but that doesn't mean to say there's not a lot of concerns or, and it's um, so one of the big talking points around the system is that a scale image it's um, it's producing hundreds of targets per day potentially. and we know that at least

15 talk, 50000 target, something struck so far and the conflict. and so that's um, you know, in the several hundreds per day. human being simply do not have the ability to go and to check in detail every one of those decisions that the systems making. and therefore, accountability is very much being handed over to the system, which as you say, we know very little about, we don't know how it's been tested, we don't know how it's validated. we don't know what criteria it's using to come up with these targets whatsoever. although from the $97.00 to investigation, but the system seems to be geared towards prioritizing targets that are doing excess damage to civilian infrastructure and indeed potentially killing civilians. phone support stops contracts laws of war, which state that's when you make a strike. you have to be junior, primarily military advantage, not to put pressure on the population, the investigation sites, a former intelligence officer saying

a human will review the targeting recommendation before an attack. but this person also says the reviewer doesn't need to spend a lot of time on it. are there enough human safeguards put into the decision making structure here? but when it comes to in a system like this, it's a great question. i think one of the big questions when you have to assess the risk or into any i system is to what extent are the safeguards around it in terms of um, humans in the loop. and in terms of the overall riskiness of what's being done as a result of these decisions, you know, i read the same article, you did the same investigation and absolutely points to insufficient human time and effort spent in reviewing these targets and targeting, targeting, particularly these kinds of jewel use targets, so people and um, civilian buildings is extremely hard and time intensive. so no, i don't think they are from what i see. i don't think they are properly reviewing

these targets and they are very much leading into the hands of the automation system. in a statement these really army claims that have sorta helps in, quote, causing great damage to the enemy and minimal damage to non combatants. now, the death toll and gov it is now over $18000.00. many have made the case that advances and technology are designed to make warfare more precise. that if it's more precise, it'd be safer. are you buying that argument? you know, absolutely. i'm not buying that argument. and this is something that you hear all the time, particularly from the more high tech military's typically when military is the think that they have these more of these accurate, these precise weapons that they, that they feel able to use them in built up areas in urban areas in places, but a lot of civilians and civilian infrastructure around and unfortunately, you know, no matter how well you hit the particular point you're trying to hit. and no matter how much, what you're striking is of all that military target when you're using high explosive

weapons in an urban area with civilians around you are going to do a lot of damage. so one of the side effects of more precision can actually convert it could, can perversely be more civilian damage and civilian heart. wow. so, so what do you do if the more precision that you sort of design for the more potential damage you have to civilian infrastructure to people in these areas that you described in what's the solution here from a technological perspective, from a design perspective, there isn't that that new old was technological solution here. her political solution is what's required if you want to save card civilians in the situation. there is no technical audio type of logical solution for safeguarding civilians in war. but more position is not the answer to it. you quit google in protest over project maven. a contract for the us defense department. that would use a i to analyze a drone footage. maven doesn't sound much different than have sorta has what you

were afraid of. just become a reality. absolutely. yeah, this is exactly what i was thinking about 5 or 6 years ago when i was like google and when, when maven was coming down the line. you know, once you have all of this data coming out of the system, people will want to crunch that data, draw conclusions from it, and act based on those conclusions. no matter how strange your, your chain of causality on and indeed the legal basis for these decisions that you're making is to mason was a surveillance machine. and that was analyzing people's movements. people, social networks, people, whole timeline. so people's behavior in their personal lives. and this is almost certainly want to hubs or is doing as well. very, very similar technologies. very, very similar. i'm problems with a new european union has just, if you don't need uh to govern the use of ai in the european market. but the artificial intelligence act, as it's called, doesn't apply to defense applications or military applications. do the,

you missed an opportunity to properly regulate a military ai. how do you do that? how do you regulate ai and warfare? it's very different. the question um, yes, daily acts is not focused on military applications whatsoever. and you know, in reality, many you act is probably not the right then you to be thinking about how the military applications are. they are technology the right venue is probably the, the united nations or some kind of increase you process to come up with legally binding rules and instruments to regulate these things among all nations. so how do you regulate that? um, well, my belief is, but we should not be using technology to generate targeting information, particularly when we come to the most sensitive and risky targets, which are people and still use targets. the reason for that is it's difficult

problem to decide whether a individual person or a tool use building or do we use vehicles as a valid military target or not. we do not have technology that is capable of even beginning to decide whether somebody is involved in combat or as a member of an armed group. these matchers are not something that you can tell by associated these matters are not something that you can you know tell with uh with, with like by deciding if somebody has been swapping the same card on their phone. um, these things are difficult, insensitive decisions. and um, and they require a lot of data um, a lot of human judgment to make judgment. okay. yeah. let me, let me just before we go, does that word? human judgment keeps coming back to me. all this stuff comes down to human decision making. human judgments, whether we look at data or not, how we look at data. all this is a human judgements in yet much of the public conversation is about the killer

robots. it's about the a i technology. should we be focusing more on humans and blaming humans rather than technology? we should be focusing on holding humans a comfortable for, for what is done in warfare. and um, we have, there are a lot of gaps and a lot of gray areas in international humanitarian law loads of work. but one is not a gray area. is that when you make a military strike, your objective has to be primarily to, to, to obtain this military effect. sometimes it is permissible under the laws of war for 2 thirds of the collateral damage. but in this case, we have a very clear cut, legal problem, which is israel is making strikes with the primary aim of harming civilian infrastructure. and using the fact that there is a that they believe that there is a military target present as a stake. me for that. and i think that's something that people should be held accountable for. absolutely, that accountability cannot be transferred to any software system or on

a computer system. lord, no, no, no, no, thank you for joining us on upfront. all right, that is our show upfront. we'll be back next to the latest news as it breaks. officials, a sub 0 temperatures across smells in china, i forcing emergency teams to work as quickly as they can with detail coverage. i'm not. sees the maya train a part of a larger plan to modernize mexico for his critics. the whole thing is just a vehicle for his ego from around the world. ukraine was already harnessing the potential, the full summation and artificial intelligence, special digit workers, cuz now it celebrated that process or the,

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